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sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 07:36 PM
hi guys, i'm thinking of buying a new 15" powerbook in a week or two and i just wanted to check out if there have been any problems with it.after seeing the amount of people having problems with the lines on the screen i am really scared and do not want to spend 1800 pounds just to send it back for repair after powering it on. i had problems with the fujitsu-siemens laptop i have now and i am/was going to pay that extra to get the apple quality but now i'm a bit scared,i must admit. do you think i should buy it or maybe wait for the new intel ones next year?
i really want an all apple powerbook though,even though the intel ones are gonna be thinner

please help!!!

Metatron
Nov 29, 2005, 07:37 PM
Have one, love it. Recommend it.

If you need a laptop now...buy it, if you can wait, wait. Don't loose productivity over it. If it was for pleasure, then I would personally wait.

cheers...

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 07:41 PM
yeah,but i don't know if the new ones will be more expensive or not
plus i'm not really sure i want to buy something that hasnt been tried and gone through some improvements and so on

you've got the latest powerbook and don't have any problems?

not even the lines on the screen?

Melkor
Nov 29, 2005, 07:57 PM
The lines on the screen is an issue for some people. I was lucky enough to get a PB that is only very minorly affected with this. ( I don't notice the lines unless my face is 2 inches from the screen, and even then, only on certain backgrounds). My advice; buy now. It's awesome. :)

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 08:17 PM
i know and i've been wanting to get a powerbook since the titanium ones came out but i'm not gonna pay all this money if it's not perfect.if i want problems,i've got the laptop i'm typing from to turn to.it's not urgent for me to get a powerbook now,but i just want to have the last all apple one,you know?
but if it happens to all powerbooks i'd rather save the money for later or buy something else
can someone tell me if it is a problem that occurs with all the new powerbooks or should i just try my luck and see what happens?

Metatron
Nov 29, 2005, 08:18 PM
i know and i've been wanting to get a powerbook since the titanium ones came out but i'm not gonna pay all this money if it's not perfect.if i want problems,i've got the laptop i'm typing from to turn to.it's not urgent for me to get a powerbook now,but i just want to have the last all apple one,you know?
but if it happens to all powerbooks i'd rather save the money for later or buy something else
can someone tell me if it is a problem that occurs with all the new powerbooks or should i just try my luck and see what happens?

...nothing is perfect, that is what applecare is for...

buryyourbrideau
Nov 29, 2005, 08:21 PM
The intels will most likely be a little cheaper. :p

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 08:22 PM
yeah,but those lines are a pretty major defect!!
is it with all of them or just some?

by the way,the applecare is international right?

i mean,if i buy it here in the uk and i go somewhere else and i have a problem i'm covered, right?

MacTruck
Nov 29, 2005, 08:27 PM
Not.

Jay42
Nov 29, 2005, 08:29 PM
i know and i've been wanting to get a powerbook since the titanium ones came out but i'm not gonna pay all this money if it's not perfect.

Yes I agree with the above response: you will be waiting a very long time. They're very good, but certainly not perfect. A laptop, for the majority of people, is not a permanent purchase anyway. You will most likely replace it within the next 2-6 years anyway, so it doesn't make sense to go nuts over waiting. However, it is very easy with the rapid changes these days to get sucked in to that eternal waiting game. Sure, you should spend your money wisely, but sometimes you have to take a step back and realize that these improvements are not that important.

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 08:40 PM
it was mostly the money side of things that kept me from buying one because they are more expensive than normal pcs. anyway,just one question.
if i do have the lines on the screen and they can't fix it,do i get my money back?

i was going to do it online,but now i'm thinking of going down to london to the applestore to see them and talk to the people there about this and act accordingly...

that sucks though,i just got the money to buy it and realised this problem...

buryyourbrideau
Nov 29, 2005, 08:52 PM
Seriously if you want a 15 inch, then I would just wait for the Mactel PB.

They will be out by April.

They will be thinner, lighter, probably have a built in iSight. AND.....

They will be cheaper!

QCassidy352
Nov 29, 2005, 09:06 PM
Seriously if you want a 15 inch, then I would just wait for the Mactel PB.

They will be out by April.

They will be thinner, lighter, probably have a built in iSight. AND.....

They will be cheaper!

That's all pure speculation...

But I still wouldn't buy a 15" powerbook now. Paying that much for a product that you know will have defects is crazy.

dblissmn
Nov 29, 2005, 09:10 PM
. . . I would wait until Apple resolves it IF you EITHER do a lot of photos or graphics OR notice in the store that you're getting eyestrain when working with text (because the text is coming out a bit overbolded and therefore fuzzy on these screens to my eyes, but some people aren't bothered by it). The new display is indisputably brighter than the old one and I think also seems a bit cleaner on color, but for me the eyestrain and the lines effect on photos mean it is not a realistic option at this time. It is my strong opinion that the lines probably is not a function of the LCD panel itself but rather something to do either with the connection to the logic board or the firmware. I do expect that Apple will eventually deal with a fix but they do sometimes take a while.

maestro55
Nov 29, 2005, 09:11 PM
i know and i've been wanting to get a powerbook since the titanium ones came out but i'm not gonna pay all this money if it's not perfect.if i want problems,i've got the laptop i'm typing from to turn to.it's not urgent for me to get a powerbook now,but i just want to have the last all apple one,you know?
but if it happens to all powerbooks i'd rather save the money for later or buy something else
can someone tell me if it is a problem that occurs with all the new powerbooks or should i just try my luck and see what happens?

You are such a "Skeptic".. anyhow, that is what I want when I invest on an Apple Powerbook, the all Apple Powerbook. There is just something in my head that turns me off of the IntelMacs.. the fact that I have been calling Intel cheap plastic for so long, I guess it is time I change my mind. Good luck with your purchase. The lines on the screen are not a problem on the 15inch that my ex-yearbook advisor bought, but that was last march, so apparently things got worse, but surely that isn't on all of the new Powerbooks.

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 09:13 PM
yeah,and i've been reading the thread about these lines,and i must say,it does not look good at all!!!
i might just get an imac g5 for now and get the new powerbook next year or something.
does the imac g5 have any problems? :)

dblissmn
Nov 29, 2005, 09:33 PM
From what I've seen the new iMac G5 (iSight) actually solves a lot of problems with the earlier G5 iMacs -- basically, it runs cooler and quieter, and from the posts I have seen, the cooler running in particular means less strain on the hard drive.

Be warned, though -- the new iMacs are not easy for end users to work on like the revision A and revision B models were; you won't be changing your own hard drives on this one or anything like that. Also the memory is set up with just one expansion slot, and even though it is the new kind of slot that addresses 2GB modules, the 2GB modules are still grossly expensive so the realistic limit for most people right now is 1.5GB (the 512MB on the motherboard plus a reasonably priced 1GB module). The closeout iMacs without iSight have two slots, for up to 1GB each.

I'd recommend a new iMac and consider doing BTO for a bigger hard drive in view of the difficulty of changing it.

p0intblank
Nov 29, 2005, 09:38 PM
A fix for these lines can't be too far off... just be patient and Apple will resolve this issue. But right now, I wouldn't take the chance of getting a defective one. This is a pretty serious issue, so it should be resolved (hopefully) very soon.

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 09:45 PM
i seriously did not expect this from apple though

and i am really considering the 20" imac with 2,5gb of ram
it should be roughly the same amount of money as the powerbook with the 2gb ram and the 100gb 7200 hard drive
the 250gb of the imac hard drive is more than enough
it's just that i don't know if i want to get a desktop just because the powerbooks are ******** up...
maybe i'll just wait for the new ones...
arghh!!!!:mad:

beolab1
Nov 29, 2005, 10:27 PM
I purchased a new 15" PB about a month ago and am returning it for a full refund. Although it's old and slow, my iBook G3 will suffice for now.

Please take my advice and wait until the Intel PBs come out. It shouldn't be too long -- hopefully MWSF06 in January (perhaps wishful thinking, but...). I just don't see a compelling reason to settle for inferior quality -- inferior to everything Apple's done before and, dare I say, to Wintel PCs that cost half as much.

sk3pt1c
Nov 29, 2005, 10:48 PM
i think i'll just go for the imac
seeing as i already do have a laptop
and i'll wait and see what happens with the new powerbooks...
thanks guys

mrweirdo
Nov 30, 2005, 03:27 AM
your other option might be going with an ibook if you can live without the dvi port. Seems the problem is only releated to the new PB so you would be safe there.

sk3pt1c
Nov 30, 2005, 04:32 AM
nah, i'm not gonna get something inferior just cause the pb's monitor is ****.
i just hope they dont make the new intel powerbooks plastic cause that will be way lame!!! i wish they'll make them titanium! :)

generik
Nov 30, 2005, 04:50 AM
Buying now is spastic.

With Intel macs coming in like 40 days I will rather wait.

sk3pt1c
Nov 30, 2005, 07:28 AM
another question
is it as easy to find and download software for macs as it is for pcs?

ybakos
Nov 30, 2005, 09:21 AM
Hi Skeptic,
Downloading, installing and removing applications on OS X is a breeze. In fact, trying out software on my mac has been far more enjoyable on my PCs. Usually I refrain from installing software on my PC because I want to avoid system cruft and what not. On my mac I really never experienced any system performance degradation after installing and uninstalling applications repeatedly. (And yes thread readers, we know that just deleting an application from the applications folder doesn't quite remove everything, but...)

Installing an application generally involves downloading a dmg file (think of it as an archive), double clicking it's icon, and dragging the displayed application to your Applications directory. That's it.

The only drawback at this time is that not all your favorite PC apps are available on the Mac. The good new is, as a developer, the market for OS X software is wide open right now.

By the way, go ahead and buy a 15" Powerbook in a standard configuration. Try it out for two weeks. If you don't notice or mind the screen, keep it. If not, take it back. Simple.

Cheers.

MacRumorUser
Nov 30, 2005, 09:21 AM
The intels will most likely be a little cheaper. :p

Thats a malnoma. The cost won't fall by any great shakes at all.

bollard
Nov 30, 2005, 09:47 AM
What about a refurb ???? Lots of Powerbooks in the refurb store today. Get an Egg money card so you get 10% off plus an edu discount (you're a student, right ??) and you can get a nice cheap Powerbook without any lines.

Meyvn
Nov 30, 2005, 09:53 AM
Look, not all of the new PBs has lines. Mine does not. Second, what all of these Intel backers haven't told you is: for the first while, the Intel PBs will run many of the programs you know and love slower than the PowerPCs. Why? Because many programs will still require Rosetta emulation in order to run. Additionally, Rev. A products are far more risky than older, more established ones. That's just how things work. If you're REALLY worried about the lines, though, just get the previous revision of PowerBooks. The processor speed will be the same. The only thing you'll be losing is a little bit of battery life, a little bit of resolution, and the POSSIBILITY of faster hard drives.

sk3pt1c
Nov 30, 2005, 10:10 AM
i know the first ones are gonna have problems,that's why i'm not gonna wait for them.and i'm still not sure if i wanna risk getting a powerbook because a few may actually be ok.i will really not like it if i plug it in and switch it off to send it back in five minutes.that's why i think i will go for the imac and when the intel powerbooks are reliable i might go for one...
dunno,i'm still puzzled...
*****!

dcv
Nov 30, 2005, 10:23 AM
What about a refurb ???? Lots of Powerbooks in the refurb store today. Get an Egg money card so you get 10% off plus an edu discount (you're a student, right ??) and you can get a nice cheap Powerbook without any lines.

I was just about to suggest the exact same thing!

link to refurb deals (http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/refurb/uk/special_page_832.html)

and the UK refurb store is open every day now until January 4th :)

cyberone
Nov 30, 2005, 10:25 AM
was where you are now. deciding deciding deciding ...

bought one, couldnt be happier.

great way to go. you'll love it - could it be faster? probably yes, for sure intels will be faster, but how much? some percent? not worth for me to testdive.

the G4s are proven technology.

no regrets over here for the big money spent.

sk3pt1c
Nov 30, 2005, 12:10 PM
so what exactly is the deal with these refurbished ones?

people returned them and they've been fixed or what?

revisionA
Nov 30, 2005, 12:12 PM
honestly, to download, no. Althougth the osx section on apple.com has lots of current shareware and freeware.

To buy, all over the place online. macmall.com, apple.com, just to name a few choice spots.

Specialty shops like novamusik.com or audiomidi.com have their own mac section for software and compatible hardware. I am sure that exists in more than just the audio areas.

#$#

with what I paid for my macs, I want guaranteed good softz, and I am willing to pay for em, so should y'all.

sk3pt1c
Dec 1, 2005, 04:18 AM
can someone explain what the deal is with the refurbished powerbooks please?

dcv
Dec 1, 2005, 04:26 AM
can someone explain what the deal is with the refurbished powerbooks please?

It's all explained on the front page of the refurb store - here (http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/refurb/uk/)

Now that store is supposed to be open from 10am and for some reason it's not opened yet today :confused:

Keep checking that page and when the store opens, you should see a green button at the bottom that says 'Yes' (i.e. you accept the terms & conditions) and that will take you through to the special deals.

londonweb
Dec 1, 2005, 05:26 AM
Not.

I too would have a really hard time recommending one. I bought one 3 weeks ago, am now on my third one, and I'm considering returning this one too.

The first one I bought had a dead pixel- no big deal but I thought I'd exchange it anyway- when you've spent £1400 you want it to be perfect. The second one was better but the case didn't seem to have been put together properly- the battery was really loose so it kept switching off randomly, and the case was quite warped and the panels weren't flush in places- it looked as if it had been really shoe-horned together. I took that one back and am on the third, which again was slightly warped out of the box. It seems to have settled now through general use, but the cooling fan makes a faint but high pitched whine, which again isn't a big deal but it drives me nuts when I'm working on it late at night- it's like having a ringing in your ears.

All three of them had the lines, but they are extremely faint and they don't bother me.

512mb ram as stock just isn't enough, if you're doing anything more strenuous than checking your emails and downloading music. 1GB is the minimum if you're doing any graphics work.

I can't get past the fact that it just feels really fragile. When I take it out of my bag I only half expect it to come on.

I might return this one as well, but I don't know if I can face reinstalling my software for the fourth time. My problem is that I've just started freelancing as a graphic designer, I need to have a laptop, I don't want a pc (although I considered it), the 12" pb is too small, the 17" is too big and too expensive, and the 14" ibook doesn't have enough screen estate. I can't wait until the intels come out anyway because I'm working now, plus I'm fairly sure they'll be fraught with problems being a first-generation unit, and in true Apple style they probably won't be backward-compatible and much of my current kit and software will be useless.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with this predicament- there just aren't any real alternatives and that's why these things are continuing to sell despite the problems.

londonweb
Dec 1, 2005, 05:30 AM
Now that store is supposed to be open from 10am and for some reason it's not opened yet today :confused:

Perhaps that's because its thursday. ;)

Edit- sorry, just realised it's open every day now...used to be wednesdays...[hangs head in shame]

dcv
Dec 1, 2005, 05:36 AM
Perhaps that's because its thursday. ;)

Edit- sorry, just realised it's open every day now...used to be wednesdays...[hangs head in shame]

hehe - it does say it's supposed to be open from 10am every day now until 4th Jan!

The store is now open. Very good deals on Rev D PowerBooks.

londonweb
Dec 1, 2005, 05:47 AM
hehe - it does say it's supposed to be open from 10am every day now until 4th Jan!

The store is now open. Very good deals on Rev D PowerBooks.

The apple store on Regent st has loads of refurbed pbs and mac minis on sale at the moment- only thing was they aren't discounted that much (about 100 off a pb and 40 off a mini) which for me isn't enough- I'd rather pay the extra and have a spanking new one.

sk3pt1c
Dec 1, 2005, 06:54 AM
i wouldn't buy a refurb though, i got the money together to buy something new,if it's not gonna be a powerbook i might as well go for the imac or scrap apple altogether and keep the money for something else
do you know of any problems with the new imac?

revisionA
Dec 1, 2005, 08:41 AM
I got high, what lines? powerlines, powerchords, Van Halen rules!!!

hehe I only see lines if thats all I am looking for... otherwise, wtf is the deal...

I mean. I have a powerbook rev E and the screen issue is so very minor in the W85 series of serials. I heard the W84 had a worse problem with it. I do graphic design and web design and have had no problems with it. Its my first laptop, but my third mac and I am happy with it. Perhaps I was expecting it to make me a superstar or grant a wish considering the price... but come on now!! (You go to apple and about this mac, serial is shown...)

I bought mine upgraded at the store, they sell a 15 for 2399 that has 1 x 1 gig ram stick and a 100 gig 7200 rpm drive. It has a working battery life of around 3.5 hours for designing with it set to conserve battery life. Web browsing or listening to mp3s might get you 5 hours like they advertise.

Avoid BTO from the website because you cannot return it for refund, only for repair or exchange IIRC. I recommend the one I got AT THE APPLE STORE, so you can return it within two weeks for full refund no questions asked.

Good luck with your decision.

If you get one, I would immediately go to macsales.com and order the other gig of ram and an Iskin to keep dirt and soda out of the keys.

$

macmanmatty
Dec 1, 2005, 09:40 AM
What about a refurb ???? Lots of Powerbooks in the refurb store today. Get an Egg money card so you get 10% off plus an edu discount (you're a student, right ??) and you can get a nice cheap Powerbook without any lines.


What is an egg money card? and does it really allow me to get %10 off plus a student discount??

dcv
Dec 1, 2005, 09:48 AM
What is an egg money card? and does it really allow me to get %10 off plus a student discount??

It's a credit card with cash back offers.

Egg Money card (http://www.egg.com/visitor/0,,3_78868--View_1636,00.html)

The extra 10% off is in the form of cash back (only applicable to online Apple store/iTunes purchases). You get 1% cashback on ALL purchases anyway and at the moment this has been increased to 2%. There are offers with other retailers too, e.g. Selfridges (this one applies in-store :)), Currys, Virgin Wines etc...

sk3pt1c
Dec 1, 2005, 03:02 PM
just got back from manchester
made a house mate drive me there from scarborough to see it for myself
it really doesnt seem like that much of a problem
i had to stick my face into the screen to see the lines...
will order it with 2gb ram and 100gb 7200 and if it bugs me i will send it back


actually,was thinking,does the 17" have any problems?
i think i can skip the apple care as it doesnt apply in my country and go for the big brother

titangears
Dec 2, 2005, 08:17 PM
if i do have the lines on the screen and they can't fix it,do i get my money back?


I asked that question to a longtime Mac guy that I work with. He said he doubted they would give a refund because they would claim it is "within spec". He added that Apple doesn't like admitting to defects, but will quietly fix problems if enough customers complain.

titangears
Dec 2, 2005, 08:19 PM
just got back from manchester
made a house mate drive me there from scarborough to see it for myself
it really doesnt seem like that much of a problem
i had to stick my face into the screen to see the lines...

I have heard that the problem varies in that you can see the lines more readily in some than in others.