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walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 04:34 AM
Today I was trying to upload a file from my iPad with Safari, the file in question was a .docx, when pressing the upload button from the page I couldn't find a way to tell Safari to pick that file out, the only thing Safari showed was my picture gallery, fortunately I had my precious Samsung Galaxy S4 next to me, and using its default browser I managed to pick the file out directly from the file browser and successfully upload that file, I know there must be a third party app to get around this on iOS, but for me the lack of a real file picker on iOS is very very frustrating, everything you throw in it is sandboxed inside an app and you will always rely on that app to manipulate that kind of file, this is so frustrating that I'm considering buying in the future an Android based tablet, why in the earth they did it so wrong with this?, why Apple thinks we the users are so stupid to have ditched a real file manager and put out iOS with this ****** way to manage our files?

Thierry ba
Sep 25, 2013, 04:40 AM
Wireshare.

Skika
Sep 25, 2013, 04:43 AM
Havent had this thread for a while.

NinjaDuck
Sep 25, 2013, 04:51 AM
Not everyone's a power user. An average user doesn't need a file system.

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 05:00 AM
Not everyone's a power user. An average user doesn't need a file system.

"Power user" to manage your own files?, even a monkey could find a file through its own folders, Android does have a real file management and its a cakewalk to copy, cut, find and navigate through your files, I think Android got it right on this, Apple thinks we are retarded. Apple could have left opened that option for people who really need a file system.

Unhyper
Sep 25, 2013, 05:07 AM
Just use the precious S4 to do this ****, buy that Android tablet, and live your life.

maflynn
Sep 25, 2013, 05:25 AM
"Power user" to manage your own files?, even a monkey could find a file through its own folders, Android does have a real file management and its a cakewalk to copy, cut, find and navigate through your files,
My advice then is to go with android, if that feature is important to you and iOS doesn't have it. The course of action is clear.

I personally don't miss the file system, but my usage patterns may not be the same as yours. I'd also say most consumers (at least the ones I know) don't care of about file systems, in fact they never really dealt with "files" on their android or iOS device in such a manner that would indicate a need for a file system.

To each his own, use the product that best fits your needs

Damolee
Sep 25, 2013, 06:18 AM
This is why less and less business' are opting for iPhones these days.

They just don't tick enough boxes for most.

For what it would lose in security, it would gain in functionality tenfold.

The solution would be to create a seperate section or locker to put files into that you can then transfer or mimmic a drive. But noooo, Apple know best.

Thickos keep buying into this crap though, so don't expect any changes soon.

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 06:26 AM
My advice then is to go with android, if that feature is important to you and iOS doesn't have it. The course of action is clear.

I personally don't miss the file system, but my usage patterns may not be the same as yours. I'd also say most consumers (at least the ones I know) don't care of about file systems, in fact they never really dealt with "files" on their android or iOS device in such a manner that would indicate a need for a file system.

To each his own, use the product that best fits your needs

If you think a file system is not important for most costumers why do Linux, Windows and even MacOSX still have a file system?, my complaint is why didn't Apple leave that door opened?, the most basic thing about an OS is a file system, think about it, it's just stupid not to have it, Apple wants us to believe it is not, and unfortunately we are getting used to these nonsense ideas.

PS: I'm not an Apple hater nor a fanboy.

syd430
Sep 25, 2013, 06:28 AM
At first I thought that someone bumped a thread from 2007

Lucille Carter
Sep 25, 2013, 06:39 AM
Epic fail = over 9 million phones sold:p

That is failure?

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 06:50 AM
Epic fail = over 9 million phones sold:p

That is failure?

In the 80's Betamax from Sony was always far better than VHS, but VHS sold much more, it depends on how you advertise and market your product, and I'm not saying the whole product is an epic fail.

TheRainKing
Sep 25, 2013, 07:05 AM
Epic fail = over 9 million phones sold:p

That is failure?

You can't really use sales to back up how good or bad something is. Look at Justin Bieber..

Unhyper
Sep 25, 2013, 07:08 AM
If you think a file system is not important for most costumers why do Linux, Windows and even MacOSX still have a file system?, my complaint is why didn't Apple leave that door opened?, the most basic thing about an OS is a file system, think about it, it's just stupid not to have it, Apple wants us to believe it is not, and unfortunately we are getting used to these nonsense ideas.You're talking about desktop operating systems. Steve Jobs was of the opinion that the average consumer doesn't need access to the filesystem, but that managing documents and data should happen through the applications. He looked at filesystem access as something that should be only available for power users through a separate application designed for that purpose, and not as a basic feature available for everyone. So it's partially about UI design, and also about wanting users to use iTunes to download new ringtones instead of just drag-n'-dropping an mp3 into a folder on their phone.

I for one am very glad that when I create a new document on my iPhone, I can just save it into iCloud or Dropbox without browsing through a headache-inducing nested folder structure. These are mobile devices designed for simplified ease of use. If I really want to torture myself with a Linux distro and a screwdriver, I still have a PC.

bigjnyc
Sep 25, 2013, 07:16 AM
If only there were more tablet choices out there to fit your needs and desires. :D

Sirious
Sep 25, 2013, 07:20 AM
Havent had this thread for a while.

Yeah thats right. :D

maflynn
Sep 25, 2013, 07:32 AM
If you think a file system is not important for most costumers why do Linux, Windows and even MacOSX still have a file system?,
We're talking about iOS not OSX, so that's the major difference. On my iPad/iPhone I do not have a need nor do many other people. Desktop operations systems are a different beast.

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In the 80's Betamax from Sony was always far better than VHS, but VHS sold much more, it depends on how you advertise and market your product, and I'm not saying the whole product is an epic fail.

It wasn't just marketing, Sony was proprietary and only recorded in odd hours.

you're comparing Apples and oranges

dannyyankou
Sep 25, 2013, 07:34 AM
"Power user" to manage your own files?, even a monkey could find a file through its own folders, Android does have a real file management and its a cakewalk to copy, cut, find and navigate through your files, I think Android got it right on this, Apple thinks we are retarded. Apple could have left opened that option for people who really need a file system.

1. A monkey can't use a computer

2. Switch to whatever suits your needs.

Lucille Carter
Sep 25, 2013, 07:42 AM
You can't really use sales to back up how good or bad something is. Look at Justin Bieber..

SO the sale of over 9 million phones means nothing? LOL!

This aurgument over the file system is so old. Like others said, Android has a phone for you!

aristobrat
Sep 25, 2013, 07:48 AM
If you think a file system is not important for most costumers why do Linux, Windows and even MacOSX still have a file system?,
Legacy.

Personally, I don't think that either the legacy file systems you're talking about above or Apple's iOS "file system" are perfect.

Working with how iOS currently handles files irritates me a lot, but I know Apple's not done with how iOS handles files, and it will continue to evolve.

IMO, legacy file systems (like what you see in Android) are pretty much done evolving.

rikscha
Sep 25, 2013, 07:50 AM
Nope. Nothing wrong, all good. Close Thread.

TheRainKing
Sep 25, 2013, 07:52 AM
SO the sale of over 9 million phones means nothing? LOL!

This aurgument over the file system is so old. Like others said, Android has a phone for you!

I should have been a little clearer. I meant you can't just use sales to explain how good or bad something is.

Anyway you're directing your comments at the wrong guy, I don't even want a file system. I just came into this thread to make my little comment about Justin Bieber. And now I'm gone. :cool:

Lucille Carter
Sep 25, 2013, 08:04 AM
I should have been a little clearer. I meant you can't just use sales to explain how good or bad something is.

Anyway you're directing your comments at the wrong guy, I don't even want a file system. I just came into this thread to make my little comment about Justin Bieber. And now I'm gone. :cool:

Not a problem, take the little beiber with you!

colourfastt
Sep 25, 2013, 08:43 AM
My advice then is to go with android, if that feature is important to you and iOS doesn't have it. The course of action is clear.

I personally don't miss the file system, but my usage patterns may not be the same as yours. I'd also say most consumers (at least the ones I know) don't care of about file systems, in fact they never really dealt with "files" on their android or iOS device in such a manner that would indicate a need for a file system.

To each his own, use the product that best fits your needs

Then the above referenced consumers must be under the age of 30 since those of us who have using computers since the 70s have always dealt with file systems.

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 09:46 AM
I know some people here don't care about file systems, others worship Steve Jobs' ideas, but if you read my first post you will find that I couldn't do something which is supposed to be a simple task using the stock software, this is bummer for me, and if you think about it you will find that I'm right, at this point I don't care whether iOS doesn't have any file system I just wanted to upload a file different from a picture and Safari sadly was not able to do it...

Purant
Sep 25, 2013, 09:49 AM
Not everyone's a power user. An average user doesn't need a file system.

Ugh... I get that the OP's tone isn't very... nice, but can we get rid of this argument?

The so called average user, would be fine with the facebook app and angry birds preinstalled on his phone, so let's just remove all other functionality while we're at it.

The average user doesn't exist. Why should Apple cater to the lowest common denominator?

Unhyper
Sep 25, 2013, 09:52 AM
Why should Apple cater to the lowest common denominator?I know what you mean. I ask myself that very same question every time I see a new thread whining about not being able to downgrade back to iOS 6.

BaldiMac
Sep 25, 2013, 09:56 AM
Just to cover the other major arguments from 6 years ago that still apply...

Lack of Flash = Epic fail
No hardware keyboard = Epic fail
No unlimited background processing for third party apps = Epic fail

:D

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 10:13 AM
Ugh... I get that the OP's tone isn't very... nice, but can we get rid of this argument?

The so called average user, would be fine with the facebook app and angry birds preinstalled on his phone, so let's just remove all other functionality while we're at it.

The average user doesn't exist. Why should Apple cater to the lowest common denominator?


Sorry if I was a little rude, I was showing my frustration :), I've been using Apples' products for 5 years and they have been doing it all the time: simplification over functionality appears to be the rule for them.

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Just to cover the other major arguments from 6 years ago that still apply...

Lack of Flash = Epic fail
No hardware keyboard = Epic fail
No unlimited background processing for third party apps = Epic fail

:D

In my case I was happy Apple kicked Flash out from iOS, because most of time Flash degraded the web experience (laggy when scrolling, buggy, awful adds, CPU/Memory/Battery-consuming) in favour of HTML5, I consider a major fail the fact that you can't use SD cards on iOS devices.

Small White Car
Sep 25, 2013, 10:19 AM
The average user doesn't exist. Why should Apple cater to the lowest common denominator?

It's not "catering to the lowest common denominator."

The iPad's success is mainly BECAUSE it lacks a file system, not in spite of it.

Fact is, unlike Microsoft, Apple has continued to insist that you should have a tablet OS and a laptop/desktop OS and they're both for different things. This is one of the ways they're keeping them separate.

It's a tactic that's not for everyone, I'll admit. But you can't say Apple should abandon that strategy unless you honestly want to insist that Apple needs to be looking to the 'Surface' as a role model.

ra4oasis
Sep 25, 2013, 10:22 AM
I know some people here don't care about file systems, others worship Steve Jobs' ideas, but if you read my first post you will find that I couldn't do something which is supposed to be a simple task using the stock software, this is bummer for me, and if you think about it you will find that I'm right, at this point I don't care whether iOS doesn't have any file system I just wanted to upload a file different from a picture and Safari sadly was not able to do it...

A file system would only complicate the phone for the vast majority of users. So, power users, such as myself, find an app to do what you want. I use Dropbox. It allows me to quickly upload a file from my computer, into dropbox, and then right to my phone. It is very simple, to me. But it would not be very simple for people like my parents. My dad loves that when he opens Pages, his files are there, without him doing anything. So its different, depending who the user's needs. Your needs can be met with Dropbox, or I assume Google Drive/Skydrive. So download one of those apps, end of story.

Small White Car
Sep 25, 2013, 10:24 AM
I use Dropbox.

And that's just the start.

Here's a great companion to the Dropbox service that lets you do even more than just the Dropbox app itself:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/files-pro-document-reader/id285578660?mt=8

jamesryanbell
Sep 25, 2013, 10:24 AM
You can't really use sales to back up how good or bad something is. Look at Justin Bieber..

Best response of the thread. lol

Purant
Sep 25, 2013, 10:28 AM
It's not "catering to the lowest common denominator."

The iPad's success is mainly BECAUSE it lacks a file system, not in spite of it.

Fact is, unlike Microsoft, Apple has continued to insist that you should have a tablet OS and a laptop/desktop OS and they're both for different things. This is one of the ways they're keeping them separate.

It's a tactic that's not for everyone, I'll admit. But you can't say Apple should abandon that strategy unless you honestly want to insist that Apple needs to be looking to the 'Surface' as a role model.

A lot of your points are debatable, BUT, you missed my point. My point was, "most people won't use X" is a bad argument and shouldn't be used against someone wishing for a feature that isn't there.

Technarchy
Sep 25, 2013, 10:30 AM
I'll bite...

What website were you uploading to that was looking for office formatted files?

s2mikey
Sep 25, 2013, 10:33 AM
The solution would be to create a seperate section or locker to put files into that you can then transfer or mimmic a drive. But noooo, Apple know best.

Thickos keep buying into this crap though, so don't expect any changes soon.

I do have to agree with this. Apple does not need a full blown file manager or anything so elaborate. But, limited fucntionality file copier or something along those lines wouldnt ruin their walled-garden and probably helpout a lot of users. As Ive said before, the cloud and dropbox are great and very useful but sometimes you just wanna do a very basic, low level file operation and you simply cannot.

That being said, I knew that before buying iDevices so thats that. ;)

Small White Car
Sep 25, 2013, 10:35 AM
I'll bite...

What website were you uploading to that was looking for office formatted files?

I've seen that on job sites when they ask for your resume. That'd be my guess as it's the only place I've seen that.

Those sites tend to also accept PDFs and TXT files, but if a Word file is what the OP already had I can understand his desire to not have to convert it.

FlatlinerG
Sep 25, 2013, 10:39 AM
Epic fail = over 9 million phones sold:p

That is failure?

And that number is only 5c and 5s over the first launch weekend, not a grand total of iOS devices worldwide.

Let's face it, these mobile devices are meant for simplicity, they do not need a file system. I Have this pages document, I don't need to find it in my documents, I open the Pages app and there it is.

And to the OP, your comment about even monkeys can do it is insulting and narrow minded.

sjinsjca
Sep 25, 2013, 10:41 AM
Today I was trying to upload a file from my iPad with Safari, the file in question was a .docx

Couple questions... How did the .docx get onto your iPad in the first place? What do you want to do when you say "upload"? Would emailing it suffice? Do you have an app that reads or otherwise handles .docx? If so, maybe it has a "Share" button.

Google just made its QuickOffice app (http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2013/09/freeing-quickoffice-for-everyone.html?source=email_rt_mc_body&app=n) free... maybe it can handle the sharing for you.

There are plenty of apps including GoodReader and Dropbox that let you set up a folder system for themselves the old-fashioned way.

Beyond that, Apple decided after much study that the folder-and-file system was causing problems for many users. Though you and I have no issue with it and are entirely familiar with the concept from familiarity with legacy systems like OS X/Unix, Linux, Windows and even DOS (v. 2 and later), I can see their point: one family member (really not a tech tard) gets hung up on it on occasion ("I don't want the spreadsheet on my desktop, I want it in Excel!"), and I had to help a friend unravel her PC once after she broke it utterly by putting all her documents in the Windows system folder, which for some reason made sense to her because it's a Windows machine, right? ...So Apple decided to let apps manage their own files so the user doesn't have to. Your issue may boil down to not having an app that does stuff with .docx files, then.

Sorry you're frustrated, and I've been there too.

Technarchy
Sep 25, 2013, 10:48 AM
I've seen that on job sites when they ask for your resume. That'd be my guess as it's the only place I've seen that.

Those sites tend to also accept PDFs and TXT files, but if a Word file is what the OP already had I can understand his desire to not have to convert it.

The OP is flame baiting.

He said this...

As an iPad owner, it seems like my money will be on a Xoom tablet, iPad 2 will be a kind of disappointing when talking about hardware, it will have only 512Mb RAM, 2 crappy cams and CPU boost, these features should have been present in iPad right from the start not in the second revision, come on! 256Mb RAM is rubbish, now the iPad 2 will fall behind the competition with only 512Mb RAM while others have at least 1Gb RAM, no USB, no SD card port, no file manager..., and don't come on saying that iOS doesn't need as much RAM, more RAM means outstanding apps and amazing games.



When was this written... Feb 10, 2011, 05:28 AM

Why is someone who is proclaiming the Xoom the winner (lol) back in 2011 and claims they NEED the file system still buying iOS devices? Or as he says "itoys".

http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php?searchid=36102343

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 11:11 AM
The OP is flame baiting.

He said this...



When was this written... Feb 10, 2011, 05:28 AM

Why is someone who is proclaiming the Xoom the winner (lol) back in 2011 and claims they NEED the file system still buying iOS devices? Or as he says "itoys".

http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php?searchid=36102343

I bought the iPad 3 because it has a beautiful retina display and was less bulky than the Xoom, I saw the Xoom in person at the store and the screen looked dull, I knew from my iPad 1 iOS didn't ship with a file system and thought that I'd get use to sandboxed files style, but in cases like the one I explained in my first post sometimes I really MISS what a file system does, Apple has been neglecting other products in favor of their iDevices and that's why I call them "iToys" because you cannot do the same thing as you do with a real computer.

Mr-Kerrse
Sep 25, 2013, 11:16 AM
I bought the iPad 3 because it has a beautiful retina display and was less bulky than the Xoom, I saw the Xoom in person at the store and the screen looked dull, I knew from my iPad 1 iOS didn't ship with a file system and thought that I'd get use to sandboxed files style, but in cases like the one I explained in my first post sometimes I really MISS what a file system does, Apple has been neglecting other products in favor of their iDevices and that's why I call them "iToys" because you cannot do the same thing as you do with a real computer.

Buy a laptop then :D

Wormald
Sep 25, 2013, 11:17 AM
even a monkey could find a file through its own folders

To be fair, monkeys can't even play Angry Birds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xQNp8iMUqk

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 11:21 AM
Couple questions... How did the .docx get onto your iPad in the first place? What do you want to do when you say "upload"? Would emailing it suffice? Do you have an app that reads or otherwise handles .docx? If so, maybe it has a "Share" button.

Google just made its QuickOffice app (http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2013/09/freeing-quickoffice-for-everyone.html?source=email_rt_mc_body&app=n) free... maybe it can handle the sharing for you.

There are plenty of apps including GoodReader and Dropbox that let you set up a folder system for themselves the old-fashioned way.

Beyond that, Apple decided after much study that the folder-and-file system was causing problems for many users. Though you and I have no issue with it and are entirely familiar with the concept from familiarity with legacy systems like OS X/Unix, Linux, Windows and even DOS (v. 2 and later), I can see their point: one family member (really not a tech tard) gets hung up on it on occasion ("I don't want the spreadsheet on my desktop, I want it in Excel!"), and I had to help a friend unravel her PC once after she broke it utterly by putting all her documents in the Windows system folder, which for some reason made sense to her because it's a Windows machine, right? ...So Apple decided to let apps manage their own files so the user doesn't have to. Your issue may boil down to not having an app that does stuff with .docx files, then.

Sorry you're frustrated, and I've been there too.

I tried to get the .docx from DropBox but Safari failed to open the DropBox's box and instead only the pictures gallery showed up, I was in a rush and I connected my S4 to my PC to transfer the same file and then I uploaded it successfully without any extra app from the Android's file system, at least you are one of the few that understand what I mean.

elistan
Sep 25, 2013, 11:25 AM
I bought the iPad 3 because it has a beautiful retina display and was less bulky than the Xoom, I saw the Xoom in person at the store and the screen looked dull, I knew from my iPad 1 iOS didn't ship with a file system and thought that I'd get use to sandboxed files style, but in cases like the one I explained in my first post sometimes I really MISS what a file system does, Apple has been neglecting other products in favor of their iDevices and that's why I call them "iToys" because you cannot do the same thing as you do with a real computer.

Sounds like a Surface Pro 2 is ideal for you, then. It runs full Windows 8. File system and everything. So it's a "real computer."

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 11:26 AM
To be fair, monkeys can't even play Angry Birds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xQNp8iMUqk

Yeah, that's for sure :).

jedblanks
Sep 25, 2013, 11:27 AM
In the 80's Betamax from Sony was always far better than VHS, but VHS sold much more, it depends on how you advertise and market your product, and I'm not saying the whole product is an epic fail.

If you want to know why VHS won, you should look it up. HINT: its the same reason BluRay won - and it has nothing to do with "being better." It has to do with the "content" available on those particular formats.

And apple is currently winning because of the content (apps in this case) available.

Technarchy
Sep 25, 2013, 11:28 AM
I bought the iPad 3 because it has a beautiful retina display and was less bulky than the Xoom, I saw the Xoom in person at the store and the screen looked dull, I knew from my iPad 1 iOS didn't ship with a file system and thought that I'd get use to sandboxed files style, but in cases like the one I explained in my first post sometimes I really MISS what a file system does, Apple has been neglecting other products in favor of their iDevices and that's why I call them "iToys" because you cannot do the same thing as you do with a real computer.

Right...

Didn't you also write:

I think MS is late, Windows RT sucks but I think they are taking advantage of the lacks of iOS, I DO NEED a USB port on my iPad, I DO NEED a real file system, I DO NEED to connect my iPad without using iTunes and the Multitasking on iOS is definitely really poor.



Seems like the problem is not the iPad. The problem is you buying products you flat out know will not meet your needs.

You say you NEED a file system, then you don't NEED an iPad even if it has a "beautiful retina display".

And you still haven't told us what website you were trying to upload to where your "precious" GS4 swooped in and saved the day.

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 11:36 AM
Sounds like a Surface Pro 2 is ideal for you, then. It runs full Windows 8. File system and everything. So it's a "real computer."

I've seen Surface tablets at the store, they look nice, problem is I don't like Windows, I know Windows Surface might be different than previous versions and might meet my "old-fashion needs", but the bitter taste Windows has left in the past still remains.

Zaft
Sep 25, 2013, 11:49 AM
Couldn't you just take a screenshot of the document on the ipad and just send over the picture?

elistan
Sep 25, 2013, 11:57 AM
I've seen Surface tablets at the store, they look nice, problem is I don't like Windows, I know Windows Surface might be different than previous versions and might meet my "old-fashion needs", but the bitter taste Windows has left in the past still remains.

Then yes, seems like your only option for now is an Android based tablet for those times you want to be able to upload an arbitrary file to a website.

Or, you can tell Apple directly how you feel.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/

It's probably your best bet, if getting a feature added to iOS is your actual goal with this thread.

walkie
Sep 25, 2013, 11:59 AM
Right...

Didn't you also write:



Seems like the problem is not the iPad. The problem is you buying products you flat out know will not meet your needs.

You say you NEED a file system, then you don't NEED an iPad even if it has a "beautiful retina display".

And you still haven't told us what website you were trying to upload to where your "precious" GS4 swooped in and saved the day.

Maybe you're right, but by the time I bought my iPad 3 the iOS's app ecosystem was better and more promising than that of Android, that fact changed my mind, some years later I buy my S4 because I missed my old-fashion USB port and file system and ditched to buy an iPhone 5. As for the website I mentioned in my post you need to sign in to test the upload button, I didn't make up a story, I just wanted to share my frustration on the forum and my precious S4 saved my day so it has merit :D.