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mrweirdo
Nov 30, 2005, 03:08 PM
I'm looking at getting a refurbed ibook from apple and now I cant seem to decide on what ibook I want to get when they become available.

I'm undecided between a
12" 1.33GHZ G4 512MB RAM Combo Drive 40GB - most recent revision $799
14" 1.33GHZ G4 256MB RAM Combo Drive 60GB HD - last revision $899

Which of the two have beter battery life? most important of all since I will be using it for school. Which one has the sharpest looking display?and oh if I go for the 12" I will probably be able to max the ram out right away as well with the money saved by chosing it over the 14" which i would have to wait awhile to get more for. Hard Drive doesnt realy mater because I plan on replacing it with a faster 5400rpm drive after warenty is up. Also I dont realy need a superdrive since I got 2 DVD burners already.

Oh the only other thing that I should problem mention is the fact that I am slightly nearsided so I sometimes wear glasses.



Kobushi
Nov 30, 2005, 03:14 PM
No contest, it's the 14. It only sounds like a "measly" 2" until you find yourself trying to squeeze documents onto a 12" screen, or squinting beacuse you ramped up the resolution to fit 'em in.

Plus you get more HD space. You can always buy more ram.

Josh
Nov 30, 2005, 03:16 PM
Yeah - even at the very same resolution, text size on a 12" monitor is absurd, and productive working is non-existant.

I could barely make it w/ 14"...theres no way I would have been satisfied with a 12" model.

Resolution smesolution...size matters :p

liketom
Nov 30, 2005, 03:17 PM
No contest, it's the 14. It only sounds like a "measly" 2" until you find yourself trying to squeeze documents onto a 12" screen, or squinting beacuse you ramped up the resolution to fit 'em in.

Plus you get more HD space. You can always buy more ram.
but they both have the same res ? 1024x768 on both models

i use 12" power and i find it perfect for what i need to do

yoak
Nov 30, 2005, 03:42 PM
I use a 12" and are very happy with the size. So easy to fit in any bag.
Screen can feel a bit small, I have a hard time doing video editing on it, but it works.
If you are going to carry it around alot, get the 12".
You donīt get any more onto the 14" screen, it just looks bigger (same resolution)

Laser47
Nov 30, 2005, 04:16 PM
Also remember that the New 12" comes with BT and AP standard and also supports a max of 1.5gb of ram while the old 14" only supports 1.25gb

aquajet
Nov 30, 2005, 04:50 PM
Also noteworthy...the new 12" has the Radeon 9550, which supports Core Image, while the previous 14" has the Radeon 9200, which doesn't support Core Image.

mrweirdo
Nov 30, 2005, 05:41 PM
oh forgot about the 9200 video card and less max ram capacity. So i guess that ones out :/ I'm not sure what they want for the latest revision of the 14" since I havent seen it posted online in the special deals area of the apple store site but that still might be a posibility. I'm guessing they might want $999 for it which is what the new 12" goes for.

generik
Nov 30, 2005, 05:59 PM
Buying now is a bit silly with Intel iBooks *so* close.. don't you think?

mrweirdo
Nov 30, 2005, 06:06 PM
if there out by january on the market and can be shipped so I can recieve it by the end of january then yes mayby otherwise no since thats when next semester of college starts up for me.

Alasta
Nov 30, 2005, 06:25 PM
I was recently agonising over whether to buy a 12" or 14" model. I wasn't entirely confident that I could tolerate a 12" display but, because I am cash-strapped at the moment, I went with the 12" anyway and I don't regret it.

In my opinion, the resolution of the iBook display is optimal for a 12" display, but too low to be ideal for a 14".

MUCKYFINGERS
Nov 30, 2005, 06:33 PM
i went through this same train of thought when i thought about which iBook to buy. it was between an iBook 14" 1.42 ghz or a Pbook 12" 1.5 ghz. In the end, I chose the iBook 14" because I felt that 12" was way too cramped. It hurt my eyes, and I'm 19 years old, and I don't want to have to wear glasses because of a laptop. Even though technically the resolution is the same, it still is more comfortable with the 14". And let's not forget a lot of people use 1024x768 resolution, even on monitors bigger than 14".

Laser47
Nov 30, 2005, 06:41 PM
Also if you order online, get it from amazon. With my ibook i got a 150$ rebate and for the 12" i think its 100$.

dollystereo
Nov 30, 2005, 06:42 PM
The 14" sux, is so big, and heavy. Go for the 12 incher!!!
2.2 kg vs 2.7 kg, almost like the 17 PB!!!
No way, the 12" is your choice.

aquajet
Nov 30, 2005, 07:21 PM
The 14" sux, is so big, and heavy. Go for the 12 incher!!!
2.2 kg vs 2.7 kg, almost like the 17 PB!!!
No way, the 12" is your choice.

ugh...Thanks for the enlightened opinion :rolleyes:

devilot
Nov 30, 2005, 07:23 PM
mrweirdo, have you seen both in person? If you can, try to do so. Some people really love the size of the 14" and it is worth it to them. I personally, love love love a smaller laptop (seems to make more sense as a 'portable') so I never looked past the 12". :p

aquajet
Nov 30, 2005, 07:23 PM
Oh the only other thing that I should problem mention is the fact that I am slightly nearsided so I sometimes wear glasses.

I have the same problem. I regret having replaced my 14" iBook with my current 12" PowerBook.

mjstew33
Nov 30, 2005, 07:25 PM
The 14" sux, is so big, and heavy. Go for the 12 incher!!!
2.2 kg vs 2.7 kg, almost like the 17 PB!!!
No way, the 12" is your choice.
This is how you piss people off like me. The 14" iBook is a wonderful computer, hence the reason I have 2. It comes with a bigger HD, SuperDrive 8x, slightly faster processor, etc. Yeah - it has the same resolution as the 12", but, hell, it's still a great computer and it's still a great peice of work. Think before you speak - you'll get a lot of people "round up" on the forums about saying the 14" iBook sucks when you've never had one. I hate you now. :p

MORAL OF THIS POST: Think before you speak.

:rolleyes:

mjstew33
Nov 30, 2005, 07:28 PM
But, back on topic, to tell you the truth - I'd go for the 12" on this one. I have the latest 14" iBook and the built in bluetooth, scrolling trackpad, suddeon motion sensor, etc, is really worth it. Go for the 12" if you have good vision and can see the 12" clearly. Oh, and you don't need a SuperDrive.

;) :)

Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 30, 2005, 07:33 PM
This is how you piss people off like me. The 14" iBook is a wonderful computer, hence the reason I have 2. It comes with a bigger HD, SuperDrive 8x, slightly faster processor, etc. Yeah - it has the same resolution as the 12", but, hell, it's still a great computer and it's still a great peice of work. Think before you speak - you'll get a lot of people "round up" on the forums about saying the 14" iBook sucks when you've never had one. I hate you now. :p

MORAL OF THIS POST: Think before you speak.

:rolleyes:Well yes, but when we're talking a current 12" against the last rev 14", both with combo and the same CPU, where the 12" has 512 MB RAM and 40 GB HD against the 14" 256 MB RAM and 60 GB HD, then the $100 cheaper 12" wins hands down.

Just don't get a too big iTunes library... ;)

MORAL OF THIS POST (which I've learned the hard way more than once myself :o): Read the OP before you speak.

;)

840quadra
Nov 30, 2005, 07:40 PM
I like my 12, I have had two of them :) .

it works great to carry around, and has a great screen for writing articles, or working on my website photos / videos. I think the 14 is nice too, but I like things small and modest :) .

jefhatfield
Nov 30, 2005, 07:44 PM
for a desktop replacement the 14" inch is better and helps if you have any vision problems

the 12" inch is more portable and overall is a far more popular system in the ibook line

personally, i would get the 12" inch even though i would rarely take it out of the house...i always look at laptops, be it pc or mac and the overall trend has made the 14" inch ibook, at nearly six pounds, a little on the heavy side for laptops in this day and age

apple inc has the best, or one of the best, industrial designs in their computers and i don't know why the pc side can make a 12" inch lcd laptop with similar specs to the ibook at around four pounds and a 14" inch lcd laptop, but lighter than apple's 12" inch ibook (which is 4.9 pounds)

i think we are going to be treated with some ultralights at mwsf in janaury '06

obsessed13
Nov 30, 2005, 08:11 PM
hmm.... all I can say is my 15.4in screen on my Toshiba feels just right for a notebook- I'd go for the 14in unless you're going to be carrying it around a ton or something... and you get more space... superdrive (I know u don't need one) first post on this board (clap clap:p ) now to add my signature...

iBS23
Nov 30, 2005, 10:12 PM
I'd go with the 14" (which is what I have). Some people complain that the screen is a bit more blurry than the 12" (bigger pixels), but I've never found it to be a problem. I guess if you were doing really detailed photo work, then it might be an issue, but for everyday work the extra inches will do wonders. I also don;t have a problem with the weight after carrying it around with me every day.

jefhatfield
Dec 1, 2005, 03:27 PM
I'd go with the 14" (which is what I have). Some people complain that the screen is a bit more blurry than the 12" (bigger pixels), but I've never found it to be a problem. I guess if you were doing really detailed photo work, then it might be an issue, but for everyday work the extra inches will do wonders. I also don;t have a problem with the weight after carrying it around with me every day.

wouldn't it make sense most of the time to use a desktop for detailed photo work, or at least a 15" inch powerbook?

he he...though my eyes are so bad i wouldn't notice any difference in sharpness between the 12" and 14" inch ibooks and the doc says i have 20-20 vision

WildCowboy
Dec 1, 2005, 04:16 PM
I have both a 12" and a 14"...if specs were equal, I'd prefer the 14". Larger pixels make things easier to see. But if you're comparing a previous generation 14" with a current generation 12", it becomes more difficult. If you can try a 12" and don't have a problem with the screen size, you'll be able to have better specs.

Marky_Mark
Dec 1, 2005, 04:34 PM
This is how you piss people off like me. The 14" iBook is a wonderful computer, hence the reason I have 2. It comes with a bigger HD, SuperDrive 8x, slightly faster processor, etc. Yeah - it has the same resolution as the 12", but, hell, it's still a great computer and it's still a great peice of work. Think before you speak - you'll get a lot of people "round up" on the forums about saying the 14" iBook sucks when you've never had one. I hate you now. :p

MORAL OF THIS POST: Think before you speak.

:rolleyes:

Take a chill pill big guy - everyone's entitled to an opinion, and even if it's not stated out loud, you can't stop someone thinking it. Besides, the weight difference was a valid point, and what's to say that his/her opinion that a 12" book is less valid than your opinion that a 14" book is the one to go with? :)

Now me, I think the 12" is the one to go with...it's just...um...dinkier...and more like my old PowerBook Duo. Now if you had bad eyesight then that really was useless: 640x400, and to add insult to injury, at least 50% again what I paid for the iBook! :D

In terms of spec, the 12" gets BT, wireless etc, and for the extra 100 bucks the thread-owner could beef up the RAM and/or the HDD and get a rocking machine. At the end of the day, it's the screen size which is the key differentiator and only the thread-owner can decide which is best for them on that score.

DanielNTX
Dec 1, 2005, 04:40 PM
I went with a 12"

Marky_Mark
Dec 1, 2005, 04:43 PM
I went with a 12"

How did you get a superdrive in your iBook? If you went the PBFixit route, you're a braver soul than me!:)

DanielNTX
Dec 2, 2005, 11:00 AM
How did you get a superdrive in your iBook? If you went the PBFixit route, you're a braver soul than me!:)

I did it myself and bought the drive for $85 from mwave.com. I think it's the same cost at newegg.com. I also got an additional 1 gig of ram and a new 80 gig hard disk.

I originally posted what I did in the thread: Put your iBook12" on steroids (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1908817&postcount=16)

So I went out and did it. I purchased a current stock iBook 12" and cracked it open. They are definitely not user friendly for upgrades compared to the likes of Dell/IBM/HP where everything is modular and can be accessed from the outside easily. I removed about 30 to 40 screws to access everything.

I put in 1 gig of Crucial PC2700 ram, a Pioneer DVR-K05 8x8 Slim DVD Rewritable Drive (recognized as Apple installed/supported in OS X 10.4), and a FUJITSU MHV2080AH 80GB 5400RPM 8MB Cache hard disk.

The notebook cost me $900, the memory $109, the DVD drive $85 ad the hard disk was $110 for a total of $1204 shipped & no taxes.

For the Pioneer burner to fit, I had to modify the slot bezel from the combo drive by breaking out my dremmel tool and sanding off two small nipples that prevented the bezel from sitting flush with the new drive.

I also made a boo-boo when removing the top casing from the iBook... I accidently ripped of the connector jack off the system board for the right speaker. I was being over zealous removing the cables that were connected to the system board. I should have been more careful using needle nose pliers to detach the cables instead of my fingers. Anyways, after being pissed and getting over my stupidity, I broke out the soldering iron (with micro fine tip) and heated it up and then soldered the jack back in place. I did a quick test by booting the system up with the top casing and keyboard back together to see if the speaker would work again and luckily it did. Then I removed everything and installed the DVD drive and then the hard disk.

I would say the whole thing took me about 4 hours including reinstalling OS X. The hardest two things besides my mistake is removing the bottom casing (I used an old credit card) and keeping track of where all the screws go because they are different sizes and lengths.

Overclocking a Mac mini is much easier then these upgrades. As a comparison, I rate the difficulty of oc'ing a Mac mini 3 or 4 out of 10 and the upgrading of an iBook a 6 or 7 out of 10 (make that a 7 or 8 if you accidently rip off a connector jack from a system board).

Good luck to anyone who attempts this.

I was almost tempted to figure out how to change the bus speed from 133 to 142MHz, but decided against it because I couldn't find any information on the resistor settings on the internet. The clock multiplier is alreadly locked at 10X which is pretty high, but I bet it would be pretty easy to bump the bus speed from 133 to 142MHz to be like it's bigger 14" brother.

Marky_Mark
Dec 2, 2005, 01:27 PM
Sorry about that - I remember reading the reading the original thread now! :o

dmetzcher
Dec 2, 2005, 01:59 PM
I have a 12" iBook and picked it because it is smaller. That's what I wanted, but I can understand others not being into that. I wanted to be able to take it anywhere and the 14" just seemed much larger to me in the store.

Others have pointed out other great reasons thus far for you to get the 12" iBook, if you are still considering the two models you originally cited in your post. The fact that it supports Core Image and you can add more RAM makes a strong case for it.

aquajet
Dec 2, 2005, 03:03 PM
I did it myself and bought the drive for $85 from mwave.com. I think it's the same cost at newegg.com. I also got an additional 1 gig of ram and a new 80 gig hard disk.

Very cool. :D Soldering skills have gotten me out of jams on more than one occasion such as this. ;)