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Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 12:01 PM
I hate benchmarks. They are useless, other than to give us a general idea of how well a phone will perform. All I am doing is posting the link to the benchmarks. I'm not saying it is going to be better than phone X, Y or Z.

I will say now though, that this will be my next phone to replace my Nexus 4. Looks like it will run very smoothly.

Link to article: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/09/nexus-5-leaked-benchmark-scores-reveal-raw-power/

Benchmark scores of KRS71D/KRS78L build: http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Google+Nexus+5&testgroup=overall

Comparison Benchmarks between Nexus 5 and iPhone 5S. I only post this to show that these prelim benchmarks show the Nexus 5 faster in some benchmarks and slower in others. And again, this means nothing. These are 2 different pieces of hardware on 2 different Operating Systems. The scores should be taken as a sign that both devices pack a punch in performance.
http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?D1=Google+Nexus+5&D2=Apple+iPhone+5S&cols=2

Interesting Nexus 5 info:

Codename: Hammerhead
Screen Res: 1794x1080
Max CPU freq: 2.3GHZ



jamezr
Sep 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
I hate benchmarks. They are useless, other than to give us a general idea of how well a phone will perform. All I am doing is posting the link to the benchmarks. I'm not saying it is going to be better than phone X, Y or Z.

I will say now though, that this will be my next phone to replace my Nexus 4. Looks like it will run very smoothly.

Link to article: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/09/nexus-5-leaked-benchmark-scores-reveal-raw-power/

Benchmark scores of KRS71D/KRS78L build: http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Google+Nexus+5&testgroup=overall

Interesting info:

Codename: Hammerhead
Screen Res: 1794x1080
Max CPU freq: 2.3GHZ

Hopefully it is coming to Verizon as well as AT&T and T-Mobile.
Here is another article
http://bgr.com/2013/09/26/nexus-5-benchmark-tests-leak/

mattopotamus
Sep 26, 2013, 12:13 PM
Magically it is running KLP in those results haha.

jamezr
Sep 26, 2013, 12:15 PM
Magically it is running KLP in those results haha.

you mean Kit-Kat :-)

Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 12:18 PM
Hopefully it is coming to Verizon as well as AT&T and T-Mobile.
Here is another article
http://bgr.com/2013/09/26/nexus-5-benchmark-tests-leak/

I hope so too. But, based on Verizon's blocking of the Nexus 7 (LTE) variant, I don't know if it will happen soon! Verizon was given the Block C LTE band, with the agreement that they would allow any device meeting FCC guidelines for LTE on to their network. They are delaying the Nexus 7, presumably because it won't allow Verizon crapware to be installed, claiming that it still needs more certification testing.

I hate these tactics and may just switch to T-Mobile. What I do hope is that the Nexus 5 is a true LTE "world-phone". I can take my Nexus 4 to Europe and pop a sim in and use it on their GSM networks, but no LTE. Hope this changes with the Nex5.

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Magically it is running KLP in those results haha.

That was the name used internally by Google. This was to keep the Kit-Kat name code under wraps, even from those inside Google working on it.

Until Google, goes in and changes every instance of KLP to Kit-Kat within the lines of code, KLP will remain.

mattopotamus
Sep 26, 2013, 12:21 PM
I hope so too. But, based on Verizon's blocking of the Nexus 7 (LTE) variant, I don't know if it will happen soon! Verizon was given the Block C LTE band, with the agreement that they would allow any device meeting FCC guidelines for LTE on to their network. They are delaying the Nexus 7, presumably because it won't allow Verizon crapware to be installed, claiming that it still needs more certification testing.

I hate these tactics and may just switch to T-Mobile. What I do hope is that the Nexus 5 is a true LTE "world-phone". I can take my Nexus 4 to Europe and pop a sim in and use it on their GSM networks, but no LTE. Hope this changes with the Nex5.

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That was the name used internally by Google. This was to keep the Kit-Kat name code under wraps, even from those inside Google working on it.

Until Google, goes in and changes every instance of KLP to Kit-Kat within the lines of code, KLP will remain.

gotcha. I was thinking it was maybe something really old

skratch77
Sep 26, 2013, 12:46 PM
I don't think those are with open gl 3.0 support as that is exactly what the lg got off screen bench in Egypt with 4.2 and the note 3 with the same soc scored 68 along with reference board running snapdragon 800 with 3.0 support.

Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 12:55 PM
I don't think those are with open gl 3.0 support as that is exactly what the lg got off screen bench in Egypt with 4.2 and the note 3 with the same soc scored 68 along with reference board running snapdragon 800 with 3.0 support.

Open GL 3.0 is embedded in Android as of 4.3. Since this is running 4.4 (albeit an early, non-consumer version) it does have 3.0 support, but is it being scored properly? I don't know?

skratch77
Sep 26, 2013, 01:01 PM
Open GL 3.0 is embedded in Android as of 4.3. Since this is running 4.4 (albeit an early, non-consumer version) it does have 3.0 support, but is it being scored properly? I don't know?

This build is obviously not final and most def not using 3.0 in its GPU drivers and kernel its down over 10fps and its scoring exactly what the same soc on another device scored with out 3.0 enabled.

The nexus devices usually out score bloated skinned romed phones so don't take any of these results as final scores

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2013, 01:43 PM
Is anyone else a little worried that this will mean the Nexus 5 price will be significantly higher?

All these specs are a great thing, so do not get me wrong. Just saying, it'd be a shame if the Nexus 5 isn't priced as competitively as before.

I still hold to my prediction:

16GB $329 / 32GB $379

But now I'm not so sure.

appledes7
Sep 26, 2013, 02:20 PM
Is anyone else a little worried that this will mean the Nexus 5 price will be significantly higher?

All these specs are a great thing, so do not get me wrong. Just saying, it'd be a shame if the Nexus 5 isn't priced as competitively as before.

I still hold to my prediction:

16GB $329 / 32GB $379

But now I'm not so sure.

Ya I'm not so sure about those prices. I'm guessing you were Basing it off the $30 price increase of the Nexus 7. But the thing is, the Nexus 7's big upgrade was the screen. For the Nexus 5, the big upgrade is the screen, CPU, camera, and LTE.

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2013, 02:32 PM
Ya I'm not so sure about those prices. I'm guessing you were Basing it off the $30 price increase of the Nexus 7. But the thing is, the Nexus 7's big upgrade was the screen. For the Nexus 5, the big upgrade is the screen, CPU, camera, and LTE.

Yeah. I also predicted that the highest it'd be is $349 and $399 for 16GB/32GB respectively. My theory being that they'd never price it over $400.

But not so sure anymore.

Like others have said, these upgrades are worth it. It would just lose an edge if it wasn't as low as we're all hoping.

appledes7
Sep 26, 2013, 02:58 PM
Yeah. I also predicted that the highest it'd be is $349 and $399 for 16GB/32GB respectively. My theory being that they'd never price it over $400.

But not so sure anymore.

Like others have said, these upgrades are worth it. It would just lose an edge if it wasn't as low as we're all hoping.

Even at $450 it would be a $200 edge over other major flagships.

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2013, 03:08 PM
Even at $450 it would be a $200 edge over other major flagships.

Very true. $450 would still be $100 dollars cheaper than the 5C, too.

jamojamo
Sep 26, 2013, 03:41 PM
Ya I'm not so sure about those prices. I'm guessing you were Basing it off the $30 price increase of the Nexus 7. But the thing is, the Nexus 7's big upgrade was the screen. For the Nexus 5, the big upgrade is the screen, CPU, camera, and LTE.

While I fear you may be right about the increase, the Nexus 7 got a rear facing camera, a RAM upgrade, a CPU or GPU upgrade also.

Here's to hoping for a small or negligible bump!

Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 04:00 PM
Is anyone else a little worried that this will mean the Nexus 5 price will be significantly higher?

All these specs are a great thing, so do not get me wrong. Just saying, it'd be a shame if the Nexus 5 isn't priced as competitively as before.

I still hold to my prediction:

16GB $329 / 32GB $379

But now I'm not so sure.
I don't think you are to far off with your prediction. Google isn't in this to make a ton of cash on hardware. That said, they don't have to deal with carriers, advertising, subsidies or 3rd party affiliates. Google may only make $100 per unit, after manufacturing costs, but it is all profit. In return, the consumer gets a great unlocked phone and people that may have bought into a two year plan for an HTC, Samsung or Apple phone are now giving money directly to Google. Good deal all around.

MacRumorUser
Sep 26, 2013, 04:07 PM
I would not be surprised if the Nexus 5 is priced closer to $500 this year.

Not sure with Google offering Google editions of HTC One, S4, Moto X that they would offer a phone with better specs for nearly $300 less...

kenknotts
Sep 26, 2013, 04:45 PM
Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2013, 04:48 PM
Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

The concept of choice is oddly lost on you, huh?

Mr D
Sep 26, 2013, 05:04 PM
Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

Because the Nexus is used to build Android.

The google edition of phones are simply just having Android slapped on them and making sure everything works...not necessarily optimized.

Dr McKay
Sep 26, 2013, 05:08 PM
Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

Because it'll probably be cheaper, and will still receive updates quicker than GE Phones.

mylop
Sep 26, 2013, 05:57 PM
I hate benchmarks. They are useless

Yet you still post this.

skratch77
Sep 26, 2013, 06:24 PM
Because the Nexus is used to build Android.

The google edition of phones are simply just having Android slapped on them and making sure everything works...not necessarily optimized.

This is 100% false and complete opposite of what you posted. Custom Roms like cyanogen are hacks taken from the nexus and butchered together with daily updates to work right.

The Google edition Roms are pure android with the framework made specific to the hardware.Google even left touchwiz framework deep into the gs4 ge phone for if you decide to run touchwize specific things like kies

KentuckyHouse
Sep 26, 2013, 06:32 PM
Yet you still post this.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/27/ge2uvy6y.jpg

Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 07:09 PM
Yet you still post this.

Partially quote someone to give their post a new meaning. :rolleyes: How original.

tbayrgs
Sep 26, 2013, 07:34 PM
Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

Because the Nexus is looking to be spec'd equally, if not better than existing GPE devices, yet will likely cost at least $200 less. Your statement would be far more accurate if you flipped it around:

Why would anyone want a Google edition of older Android phones when there will soon be a cheaper, better spec'd Nexus device?

kenknotts
Sep 26, 2013, 09:20 PM
Because the Nexus is looking to be spec'd equally, if not better than existing GPE devices, yet will likely cost at least $200 less. Your statement would be far more accurate if you flipped it around:

Why would anyone want a Google edition of older Android phones when there will soon be a cheaper, better spec'd Nexus device?

True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

Dr McKay
Sep 26, 2013, 09:48 PM
Normally I'd be really excited by this phone but Im starting to crave a bigger screen, currently have a 5 inch phone right now, eyeing up 6 inch phones with jealousy right now.

tbayrgs
Sep 26, 2013, 09:58 PM
True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

The device believed to be the next Nexus that passed through the FCC has LTE. And considering the GPE Galaxy S4 costs $650, if having expandable memory and a removable battery is worth and extra $250-300, you're welcome to it. ;)

mclld
Sep 26, 2013, 10:03 PM
phones have been at the point the past couple years where I do not care about specs and even a two year old phone will do more than I need

Assault
Sep 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

I used to be one of those people, but the Nexus 4 and 7 ruined my opinions on these features. I would much rather have a Nexus device than a spare battery or expandable storage. LTE will be standard from here on out. And with Google giving out 10 to 15 gigabytes all the time (I currently have 125gb of Google Drive storage for 2 years that was all free and 25gb of it never expires) I can do with as little as 16gb phones for now. The battery issue is the only concern, but I have a solar charging station for those times I am no where near a plug outlet for days at a stretch.

strausd
Sep 27, 2013, 03:34 AM
True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

Uhm HTC One Google Play Edition doesn't have a removable battery or expandable storage... And it costs $600. Nexus 5 will cost less, have better hardware, and get updates sooner.

I used to be one of those people, but the Nexus 4 and 7 ruined my opinions on these features. I would much rather have a Nexus device than a spare battery or expandable storage. LTE will be standard from here on out. And with Google giving out 10 to 15 gigabytes all the time (I currently have 125gb of Google Drive storage for 2 years that was all free and 25gb of it never expires) I can do with as little as 16gb phones for now. The battery issue is the only concern, but I have a solar charging station for those times I am no where near a plug outlet for days at a stretch.

I'm more a fan of Copy's space giveaways. (http://imageshack.us/a/img837/6894/j63a.jpg)

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 27, 2013, 04:58 AM
Hopefully it is coming to Verizon as well as AT&T and T-Mobile.


Just because the FCC has posted the pictures/info of the G2 with Verizon LTE, doesn't mean the Nexus is going to be released for use on Verizon, regardless of whether the Nexus 5 is based on the G2 or not.

In fact, I'd put money on Verizon not allowing Google to sell a version that can be used on their network.

Assault
Sep 27, 2013, 04:59 AM
I'm glad all of these storage companies are doing the free giveaways. I only stick with Google Drive and Dropbox exclusively, because of their ability to integrate with so many apps.

mattopotamus
Sep 27, 2013, 06:01 AM
Just because the FCC has posted the pictures/info of the G2 with Verizon LTE, doesn't mean the Nexus is going to be released for use on Verizon, regardless of whether the Nexus 5 is based on the G2 or not.

In fact, I'd put money on Verizon not allowing Google to sell a version that can be used on their network.

I agree with this. Nothing makes me think the CDMA carries will get it.

PaulOBrain
Sep 27, 2013, 06:19 AM
The two main issues they need to address with this new Nexus is improve the camera and battery life. Both were poor with the Nexus 4.

Mr D
Sep 27, 2013, 07:02 AM
This is 100% false and complete opposite of what you posted. Custom Roms like cyanogen are hacks taken from the nexus and butchered together with daily updates to work right.

The Google edition Roms are pure android with the framework made specific to the hardware.Google even left touchwiz framework deep into the gs4 ge phone for if you decide to run touchwize specific things like kies

You completely missed the point, and I don't really think you have any idea of the context.

Android is not optimized for the GS4, the HTC one, or whatever other google phone there is.

Android IS literally coded on the Nexus and that is the phone they use to build the OS.

If you're into video games, it's like how many/most multi-platform games that were made for both PS3/360 were built on the 360 and ported over to the ps3.

jamezr
Sep 27, 2013, 07:50 AM
You completely missed the point, and I don't really think you have any idea of the context.

Android is not optimized for the GS4, the HTC one, or whatever other google phone there is.

Android IS literally coded on the Nexus and that is the phone they use to build the OS.

If you're into video games, it's like how many/most multi-platform games that were made for both PS3/360 were built on the 360 and ported over to the ps3.
No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......

Assault
Sep 27, 2013, 02:23 PM
The two main issues they need to address with this new Nexus is improve the camera and battery life. Both were poor with the Nexus 4.

I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D

appledes7
Sep 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D

3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.

PaulOBrain
Sep 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D

I got about 4-5 and didn't really consider that good battery life, didn't install any custom ROM just ran as stock. Glad you found your camera okay I thought it was poor compared to other smartphones.

Hopefully it will have a bigger battery in the phone I don't think the bigger screen will negate that as it will have better more power saving internals. I actually wouldn't mind a slight price increase if it meant better battery and camera.

Assault
Sep 27, 2013, 08:29 PM
3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.

3 hours of screen on time for one phone does not equate the same for all others. All of my phones from the iPhone 4 to my S3 and Nexus4 have all had between 3 and 4 hours of screen on time... but that is simply because I am a heavy user during the day and always have BT and/or tethering on. So for me, I consider 3 to 4 hours fairly good. With the S3 it never mattered, because I had spare batteries. With my Nexus4, I am back to what life was like with an iPhone. Gotta pay attention to battery life if I am gonna be away from an outlet. :)

appledes7
Sep 27, 2013, 10:38 PM
3 hours of screen on time for one phone does not equate the same for all others. All of my phones from the iPhone 4 to my S3 and Nexus4 have all had between 3 and 4 hours of screen on time... but that is simply because I am a heavy user during the day and always have BT and/or tethering on. So for me, I consider 3 to 4 hours fairly good. With the S3 it never mattered, because I had spare batteries. With my Nexus4, I am back to what life was like with an iPhone. Gotta pay attention to battery life if I am gonna be away from an outlet. :)

I just hate having another thing to carry around in my pockets and another thing to keep charged. I bought an Anker Astro Slim 3 and it's a great external battery. But I shouldn't have to change for my phone, it should be the other way around.

If the Nexus 5 has crap battery life, I will probably go with an LG G2 since reviews have all pointed to it having amazing battery life. And having a removable battery or not doesn't bother me. Either way requires me to charge something extra and carry something extra at all times. But with an external battery, especially my Anker Astro Slim 3, it is a 6000 mAh battery in a sturdy metal casing (makes me feel comfortable leaving it in my pocket with my keys), is fairly light, and still the same size if not slightly smaller than my Nexus 4. Plus it has a very nice built in micro USB cable so I don't need to worry about carrying an extra cable. And it has a USB port so you can charge multiple devices at once. Also that way I don't have to deal with taking the back cover off of my phone and having it restart. So to me and for my usage, it's a win win. But I understand everyone has their preferences. I just wish we didn't need to worry so much about carrying extra batteries, whether they are removable or not. I wish manufacturers would just put in large batteries so the consumers didn't have to factor in carrying extra stuff in their buying decision.

gotluck
Sep 27, 2013, 11:01 PM
The nexus 5 will likely be the best value but IMO that doesn't give reason to trash talk gpe s4, one or the moto x as a stock android experience. I like all 4 of them personally.

gotluck
Sep 27, 2013, 11:17 PM
No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......

Very well put IMO

ToothTooth
Sep 30, 2013, 09:48 AM
I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly.

Out of a typical 12 hour day, some people spend 25% of it staring into a PHONE?!?! Wow.

Assault
Sep 30, 2013, 11:45 AM
Out of a typical 12 hour day, some people spend 25% of it staring into a PHONE?!?! Wow.

Your typical day is only 12 hour?!?! Wow.

appledes7
Sep 30, 2013, 12:38 PM
Out of a typical 12 hour day, some people spend 25% of it staring into a PHONE?!?! Wow.

Yes, because people only stare at phones and don't use it to consume news, lookup information, use it for their jobs, or communicate with family and friends. Oh wait...

Mr D
Oct 1, 2013, 04:09 AM
No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......

I'm not sure you understand the reference of optimization in my posts.

What you just spent a whole post explaining, has nothing to do with anything I've said.

blackhand1001
Oct 4, 2013, 06:41 PM
3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.

You must be doing something wrong. I get better than that on my Verizon galaxy nexus on mobile data.

appledes7
Oct 7, 2013, 02:09 PM
You must be doing something wrong. I get better than that on my Verizon galaxy nexus on mobile data.

Haha you made me think of Steve Jobs telling people they are holding their phone wrong ;)