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gwuMACaddict
Dec 2, 2005, 02:09 PM
Excited!!

Will post photos this weekend



GoCubsGo
Dec 2, 2005, 02:54 PM
That is fantastic. Did you get the kit lens or did you already have your own glass? What made you go with the d50 over the d70s or any canon model?

Danksi
Dec 2, 2005, 04:31 PM
I'm still waiting for my Rebel XT lens to arrive at the local shop. The body's been there all week, memory card arrived a couple of days ago - just no news on the lens. Gutted. :(

I went for the Rebel XT based on size, it's considerably smaller/lighter than the D70 I played with in the shop.

gwuMACaddict
Dec 2, 2005, 05:03 PM
Did you get the kit lens or did you already have your own glass? What made you go with the d50 over the d70s or any canon model?

Came with an 18-55 f3.5-5.6 DX ED Nikon lens... Using lenses from my old collection ("D" lenses from an N90s)

Got the d50 because there is little to no difference between it and the D70s...

nobody shoots at 1/8000 of a second, and nobody triggers remote flash units with a built in flash unit. the d70 does this. if i'm using remote flashes, i'm using an sb800 anyway...

the d50 also has a new focus algorithim, and an udgraded sensor. less white balance adjustment, but i can live with it.

and it's smaller. battery charged now, gonna have some fun...

cr2sh
Dec 2, 2005, 07:29 PM
Maybe I can live vicariously through you for a bit.

I'm happy I didn't buy one... but it'd be fun.

Clix Pix
Dec 2, 2005, 08:03 PM
Have fun with your new D50! Isn't it exciting, getting a brand-new camera?

Just as exciting as opening a brand-new Apple box....

OTB

numediaman
Dec 2, 2005, 08:16 PM
Tis the season for buying D50's!

I unpacked my D50 this afternoon, as well. I'm very excited by the camera. I used to shoot an old 35mm Minolta and have waited a long time to buy my first digital camera. I knew I would be unhappy with the results unless I waited for the quality to improve.

Well, so far, I'm thrilled. This evening, shooting with the flash, I've noticed that the images are a little flat. But I use Photoshop, and a quick look at "levels" reveals that a certain adjustment needs to be made -- then the pictures pop.

I can sympathize with those struggling to decide about what camera to buy. If you are a pro you buy the most camera you can get for the money and don't look back. For everyone else, there is that nagging question: do I really want to spend this much money on a camera that will not put bread on the table?

I looked at the Lumix FZ30, the Canon and the Nikon. I also sneaked a peek at the new Olympus and Konica/Minolta offerings. You could argue until you are blue-in-the-face about which is best -- but no one can argue that the Nikon is garbage, right?

Clix Pix
Dec 2, 2005, 08:19 PM
The nice thing about buying into the Nikon system is that you can use just about all of the lenses in their lineup, even the older ones, and that can be really nice. Sometimes you can pick up a good gently used lens for not that much money and it will help you expand your photographic vision.

OTB

andym172
Dec 3, 2005, 05:09 AM
You could argue until you are blue-in-the-face about which is best -- but no one can argue that the Nikon is garbage, right?

I doubt it could be argued that any d-SLR currently on the market is 'garbage'.

I'm a Canon man, but would never argue any of the Nikons to be garbage.

Have fun! :D

Abstract
Dec 3, 2005, 05:59 AM
Yeah, especially the D50. There are some sample photos out there that show that under some circumstances, the D50 has taken better photos than the D70s and Rebel XT. Some will say they're oversharp and too colour saturated, but I think the photos from the Rebel XT are dull, and the D70s isn't as good, generally. Maybe it's the new sensor used in the D50. Not sure.

Anyway, great choice, and good luck. I may join you in buying one of those, but for now, I'm going to have to use my new surfboard and justify the cost.....:o

numediaman
Dec 3, 2005, 08:35 AM
The Canon vs. Nikon fighting seems a little more civil than the Mac vs. PC war. I would argue that while both sides could claim advantages, neither Nikon nor Canon lovers could claim that the other product crashes too often!

[My wife just received a new Dell laptop yesterday and she can't get some of her basic software to install properly. She turned to me and said "don't even think about saying it ... 'I should have got a Mac'."]

I have a question for those with a new DSLR: do you ever really get to know all these features?

rjphoto
Dec 9, 2005, 08:32 AM
[My wife just received a new Dell laptop yesterday and she can't get some of her basic software to install properly. She turned to me and said "don't even think about saying it ... 'I should have got a Mac'."]


You should have said, "Didn't have to, you did."

efoto
Dec 9, 2005, 09:49 AM
The Canon vs. Nikon fighting seems a little more civil than the Mac vs. PC war. I would argue that while both sides could claim advantages, neither Nikon nor Canon lovers could claim that the other product crashes too often!

[My wife just received a new Dell laptop yesterday and she can't get some of her basic software to install properly. She turned to me and said "don't even think about saying it ... 'I should have got a Mac'."]

I have a question for those with a new DSLR: do you ever really get to know all these features?

"Dude, you're gettin' a DULL!" :p....had to be said ;)

Generally speaking, with all new electronic purchases I make, I try to avoid the manual at all costs and learn the product as best I can before reading anything....this can get you into trouble, but it's usually pretty easy to spot what are simple surface-level changes and what are dangerous spots.

That said, after I fart around for a while, then after I play with the new product :rolleyes: I turn to the manual to get the in-depth feature break-down I'm confident I missed in my overview run. I'm still reading through my 20D manual, but I know most of the features and quick-cuts, although every few pages I do come across something I didn't know (although may never use). I just got a new flash too and that I know nothing about as I have never had a modern one with settings....so I'm reading that manual after about 10 minutes of play because I ran out of buttons to push that did anything :o

gwuMACaddict
Dec 12, 2005, 10:46 AM
so... a little late with pictures... here's one from yesterday at the national botanical gardens...

cr2sh
Dec 14, 2005, 03:57 PM
so... a little late with pictures... here's one from yesterday at the national botanical gardens...

Bah! See... exactly. I don't need anything that nice.

:(

joepunk
Dec 14, 2005, 04:34 PM
I am happy for you. I have been putting off purchasing even a P&S Digital Camera. I just recently checked to see if my old Nikon lenses would work w/a D50 and they most certainly do.

I hope that the Nikon will serve you well.

-hh
Dec 15, 2005, 08:34 AM
I have a question for those with a new DSLR: do you ever really get to know all these features?


I think the 80/20 rule applies (80% of the time, you'll only use 20% of the features), probably in no small part because whatever your favorite subjects are will tend to have common patterns and thus, call for similar treatment.

FWIW, this is an example that's "besides glass" as to why it can be good to stick with a particular company: in going through the documentation for my 20D, I was frequently saying to myself, "Okay, the same as how it worked on my old Elan...yup same, ok same, yup same..." As such, there were a lot of features that I already was essentially familar with, which got me a good leg up the learning curve.


-hh

efoto
Dec 15, 2005, 09:01 AM
I think the 80/20 rule applies (80% of the time, you'll only use 20% of the features), probably in no small part because whatever your favorite subjects are will tend to have common patterns and thus, call for similar treatment.

FWIW, this is an example that's "besides glass" as to why it can be good to stick with a particular company: in going through the documentation for my 20D, I was frequently saying to myself, "Okay, the same as how it worked on my old Elan...yup same, ok same, yup same..." As such, there were a lot of features that I already was essentially familar with, which got me a good leg up the learning curve.

-hh

80/20 is pretty accurate, especially if you settle into a specific realm/genre of shooting (portraits/macro/landscapes/etc). Most of the shots in a given genre result in using similar features/functions, albeit different settings depending on the situation.

As far as a learning curve for new equipment, I personally found my Nikon D70 and my Canon 20D to be quite similar is usage and function (from a user aspect). Although Nikon has the 8-way button for menus and Canon uses the wheel (and 8-way joystick for zoom manip.) I found them both quite easy to use. I'm usually decent with electronic stuff, so getting used to the 20D so fast wasn't a huge surprise....and although the D70 and 20D were quite similar, they were also vastly different. The button combos were almost all different to change 'advanced' functions (ie not surface-level quick-change stuff).

numediaman
Dec 15, 2005, 10:05 PM
Guys, it was a rhetorical question! (But I appreciate the answers, nonetheless.)

Chip NoVaMac
Jan 2, 2006, 11:21 PM
Congrats! I just got my D50 yesterday. Will take it out for a spin at the Dulles-A&S tomorrow. Borrowed a couple of lenses till my 18-200VR comes in this week I hope.

The D50 is my European travel kit. My Canon XT will remain being my primary at this time. Only time will tell if I join the "darkside" fully. <g>

cr2sh
Jan 3, 2006, 07:43 AM
What type of deal did you get on it, Chip?

I'm going down to the CordCamera to look more closely at the deals.. the photo printer rebate runs out of the 7th and I plan to take advantage of it.

:)

Chip NoVaMac
Jan 3, 2006, 02:22 PM
What type of deal did you get on it, Chip?

I'm going down to the CordCamera to look more closely at the deals.. the photo printer rebate runs out of the 7th and I plan to take advantage of it.

:)

I work for a DC reseller, so deals don't count much. I did buy it now so as to take advantage of the Epson rebates on the PictureMate.

Some may wonder why with a great Canon kit, did I do the Nikon D50. Simply put, with at least two or three European trips planned for this year I wanted a general purpose camera and lens that was light weight.

Our Nikon rep came by with a 18-200VR a few weeks ago. I was blown away! The VR II is so much better than even the latest IS from Canon IMO. I was able to get down to 1/15th of a second at 200mm with the Nikkor. I did play with the Canon 24-105L IS, and I was only able to get to about 1/30. The sharpness on the few images that we did get to print out was surprising for such an extreme zoom from Nikon. Add to that Canon does not yet offer a 18-200 IS lens. Nor do they offer a fisheye lens.

The fisheye lens from Nikon (the 10.5) was sort of the icing on the cake. With Nikon Capture, I will have the ability to correct for the distortion of the fisheye lens. I am also looking forward to seeing how the Dust Reference Image feature of Capture works out.

The first half of the year or so will tell me more as to whether I keep both systems (keeping in mind, I look at cameras as tools. As such I don't see a problem in having "Craftsman" and "insert your preferred tool name here" in the shop).

Abstract
Jan 4, 2006, 09:33 AM
I work for a DC reseller, so deals don't count much. I did buy it now so as to take advantage of the Epson rebates on the PictureMate.

Some may wonder why with a great Canon kit, did I do the Nikon D50. Simply put, with at least two or three European trips planned for this year I wanted a general purpose camera and lens that was light weight.

Our Nikon rep came by with a 18-200VR a few weeks ago. I was blown away! The VR II is so much better than even the latest IS from Canon IMO. I was able to get down to 1/15th of a second at 200mm with the Nikkor. I did play with the Canon 24-105L IS, and I was only able to get to about 1/30. The sharpness on the few images that we did get to print out was surprising for such an extreme zoom from Nikon. Add to that Canon does not yet offer a 18-200 IS lens. Nor do they offer a fisheye lens.

The fisheye lens from Nikon (the 10.5) was sort of the icing on the cake. With Nikon Capture, I will have the ability to correct for the distortion of the fisheye lens. I am also looking forward to seeing how the Dust Reference Image feature of Capture works out.

The first half of the year or so will tell me more as to whether I keep both systems (keeping in mind, I look at cameras as tools. As such I don't see a problem in having "Craftsman" and "insert your preferred tool name here" in the shop).

Yeah, I was gonna ask you why you got a D50 when they're on such similar levels, but I guess you sort of have it figured out.

cr2sh
Jan 4, 2006, 11:37 AM
Anyone have thoughts on buying a D70 (not s) versus the D50. I've been seeing a few over on Nikonaians for sale, body only cheap... wondering if it'd be a better image. Looking over at dpreview it doesn't appear to... but before I buy the D50 tonight I thought I'd ask.

:)

Thanks.

revenuee
Jan 4, 2006, 11:48 AM
Got the d50 because there is little to no difference between it and the D70s...

nobody shoots at 1/8000 of a second, and nobody triggers remote flash units with a built in flash unit. the d70 does this. if i'm using remote flashes, i'm using an sb800 anyway...


LOL .... actually i shot a photo AT 1/8000 of a second, at ISO 1600 at F/2.8

AND i've remote triggered the sb 600 using the built in flash unit when i needed a quick and dirty set up a few times on location.

although, i purchased my D70 two months after it came out so there was no D70s or D50 to choose from
plus the sub command dial for adjusting aperture and main command dial for shutter speed is important to me when i ski, less having to remove gloves to push buttons like.

someone mentioned they liked the Rebel Xt better then the D70s because of size ... that's the exact reason i don't like that Rebel ... to small, fealt uncomfortable to hold for me

, i wish the D70 had a battery grip to make it even bigger

edit -- but not a THIRD party grip

Chip NoVaMac
Jan 4, 2006, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I was gonna ask you why you got a D50 when they're on such similar levels, but I guess you sort of have it figured out.

Speed is not an issue for me. I am used to the likes of the Leica M series and Nikon FM series.

Was going to look at the Panasonic FZ30 as my travel camera/lens, but really like the higher ISO's. And I find that I really need some sort of IS at longer zoom lengths.

Add to that, I have a project for a non-profit that the PictureMate will work out great for.

Jay42
Jan 4, 2006, 07:09 PM
So, let's see some pictures of the thing!...oh wait.

Chip NoVaMac
Jan 4, 2006, 08:11 PM
Here is a quick unedited view of my first shots yesterday. Did not have the hood set properly on the 12-24, so there is some corner shading.

http://homepage.mac.com/jlenkiewicz/PhotoAlbum18.html

cr2sh
Jan 4, 2006, 08:53 PM
Well, I also bit the bullet tonight.

A D50 with the 18-55mm kit lens and the Epson R340 cost me $930 total before the $150 in rebates.

Upon opening the camera I noticed a very slight "rattle" in the camera... sounds like some kind of spring, when I turn the camera I can here it moving for a second or two. It's not actual tumbling around inside the camera... but I was wondering, is this noise normal?

My initial impression, after dropping in a SD card and snapping a few... "I'm goin g to need to read the manual." Definately not something I was able to just pick up and shoot, review, zoom... I'm not sold yet. :)

I need a camera bag and a better memory card... probably get a Lexar 80x 1GB, but I'm open to suggestions on a great bag. Is there anything that's ~water-proof, durable, and not TOO big?

hhlee
Jan 4, 2006, 09:42 PM
Upon opening the camera I noticed a very slight "rattle" in the camera... sounds like some kind of spring, when I turn the camera I can here it moving for a second or two. It's not actual tumbling around inside the camera... but I was wondering, is this noise normal?


the rattle you hear may be from the internal landscape/portrait sensor. something moves inside so that the camera knows how to display your picture on the small lcd display.

law guy
Jan 4, 2006, 09:53 PM
Here is a quick unedited view of my first shots yesterday. Did not have the hood set properly on the 12-24, so there is some corner shading.

http://homepage.mac.com/jlenkiewicz/PhotoAlbum18.html

Nice photos - I'm really impressed by the results with the D50. You've also piqued my interest in the 12-24.

lesliern72
Jan 5, 2006, 01:27 PM
Hello!

I haven't posted in the camera part but I thought I would add a couple of things...
We came to this forum due to our camera purchase. We have a crappy PC and are looking into buying a Mac for our amateur photos (more photojournalistic-since we have an 18 month old and he doesn't sit still).

A couple of months ago we got the Nikon D50 outfit from Cord for $650 (and have been mad picture taking fools ever since!)

After the price of $650 they had:
-a 10% rebate on all purchases
-and the full $150 rebate on the Epson printer.
We walked out of there and sent in our rebates and sold the printer to my Mom for $120.
Basically we ended up paying $465 for the D50 after all was said and done.
We went onto Ebay and bought the Tamron 28-300 F 3.5-6.3. For $150 lens it has worked out well.

You absolutely CANNOT go wrong with this camera. Now we need a good computer so we can do some good editing. After MWSF we'll know exactly which Mac we're going to get and we can get rid of our PC!

We're learning a lot about photography in general and it has turned into a fun little hobby--leading to a soon to be Mac purchase.
Hopefully we'll be asking you all kinds of Mac software questions pretty soon! :)

Have fun with the new D50! I know we love ours!

Leslie

PS I didn't think the camera was horrible to learn without reading the manual front to back (and I am a very technically challenged woman). Another major surprise was how long the battery lasts in this camera! It took forever to get the thing to run down!

cr2sh
Jan 5, 2006, 02:13 PM
I've never used a Nikon camera and never an SLR. The controls are much different from ym canon.. I've just got to learn my way around them.

I saw the before christmas deal from Cord. I was up in the air then, not really sure if I wanted to spend the money or not.... in the end, obviously, I did go with the D50 and did lose the 10% back rebate from them... but again, I don't think I'm paying too much now either.

I've looked at a couple images I took last night.. they're either blurry or dark. No solid, good photos... but by the time I get to the Florida Keys on Sunday I'm sure I'll have it figured out.

:)

efoto
Jan 5, 2006, 02:35 PM
Upon opening the camera I noticed a very slight "rattle" in the camera... sounds like some kind of spring, when I turn the camera I can here it moving for a second or two. It's not actual tumbling around inside the camera... but I was wondering, is this noise normal?

My 20D does this too and after some inspection I found out what was causing it, and it may apply to your D50 as well. Pop up the built-in flash unit and check the slides that it rides on to lift. On my 20D there are metal slides on either side and what I assume to be a dual-cut wheel to slide in each slide....if you can follow that. I found w/ the flash up it rattles less, steady it w/ your fingers and it makes no sound. Closed there is more slop in the slides because they are not under pressure of any kind and therefore they make some more noise.

I have a 580 so I never/rarely use the built-in flash and it remains closed (and making noise), but now that I've placed a finger on why it's acting up I can rest easier since I know the internals aren't barfing all over the place :)

I need a camera bag and a better memory card... probably get a Lexar 80x 1GB, but I'm open to suggestions on a great bag. Is there anything that's ~water-proof, durable, and not TOO big?

All of my CF cards are Lexar Professional 80x, I love them. As far as bags go, Tamrac and LowePro both make excellent photographically geared products, I prefer LowePro mostly from style and finish. Check out a TopLoader (forget the numbers) bag, I had one with my D70 and it was great. It held the camera w/ up to a 70-300 (like the one Nikon makes although I had the Sigma which is slightly larger) on, and although it only carried the one lens it made for a very light and portable setup, plus the bag isn't all that much $$$.

lesliern72
Jan 5, 2006, 03:31 PM
We haven't had problems with blurriness...as far as we can tell. Although, like I said we are amateurs yet. This was our first attempt at a "layering" of the color on B&W. It took forever on our program. Although we didn't do it as precise as it should have been, it is a fun feature (not on the D50-just in general). Hopefully it's easier to do on the Mac.

38076

cr2sh
Jan 5, 2006, 04:36 PM
Very nice. I have to admit, I'll be happy if I'm shooting images that look that nice after some PP.

Very cool.

Thanks e, I'm checking prices on some LowePro toploader AW's now.. the 75 looks just right.
:)

efoto
Jan 5, 2006, 07:54 PM
Thanks e, I'm checking prices on some LowePro toploader AW's now.. the 75 looks just right.
:)

No problem. Now that I'm home I checked my bag and it's actually the "Top Load Zoom 1" (TLZ 1), perhaps the 1 is 100, I don't remember. It's a little bit longer to accommodate the 200/300 length lenses as long as they aren't the massively large/long f/2.8s :p

law guy
Jan 6, 2006, 12:34 PM
Hello!

I haven't posted in the camera part but I thought I would add a couple of things...
We came to this forum due to our camera purchase. We have a crappy PC and are looking into buying a Mac for our amateur photos (more photojournalistic-since we have an 18 month old and he doesn't sit still).



Leslie, WELCOME to Macrumors! It's good to hear that you're having a fun time and are getting good results with the D50. Managing photos has been a wonderful experience on the Mac. I have thousands of my toddler daughter on there. iPhoto is a wonderful app. and I use a web page through a service apple offers called ".Mac" to post lots of family and travel photos and a very easy to put-together and maintain website. iMovie gets a lot of use as well - very easy to edit together digicamera and DV cam vidio and photos into movies that we easily put into great looking menus with iDVD and burn to disk to send to our parents and siblings who live all over (Oregon, Idaho, New Orleans, Alabama, London...). It's all very easy and fun to use, allowing you be really creative and produce great results.