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macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 05:53 PM
Sorry guys....

Tyler has asked me to remove this post because Apple isn't too happy...

Sorry again :-(

MacBoy

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by macboy
Hey All!
I just got word that Apple is ditching the G3 iBook at MWSF, however, they are keeping the iBook.

Huh?

Originally posted by macboy
The new iBook will have a G4 in it.



Yeah right, after they just updated the whole notebook line over a month ago.http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/rolleyes.gif

And why did you keep repeating NO GIGABIT ETHERNET on the 'supposed' new iBook revisions?

Nipsy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:08 PM
Is your friend's name Tyler?

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:09 PM
Hey... sorry about that first paragraph.... didn't make much sense... i've re-worded it.

Also I forgot to take out NO out of NO GIGABIT ETHERNET on the last one.

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:10 PM
Yes... his name is Tyler.

MacAztec
Jan 1, 2003, 06:11 PM
Yeah, a 10 hour battery life. Hmmmm...wouldnt that take away from sales on the Powerbook?

funkywhat2
Jan 1, 2003, 06:14 PM
I don't know. I wish, but, personally, Gigabit Enet is what seals this as fake for me. Why put it in a home model? It's useless. It also seems a bit vague, but I suppose one wouldn't want to be too detailed as to make it seem real.

10 hour battery life? How much is that going to boost the price/weight/size?

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:14 PM
Tyler did say new 10 hour battery for the books.

I apologize - I forgot to type that in. I was scrambling to write everything down when I was on the phone with him.

MacAztec
Jan 1, 2003, 06:28 PM
What division does tyler work in? How old is he? Whats his last name (if i may ask)

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:30 PM
I am not going to release info about Tyler. I do not want him to lose his job. Where would I get the scoop from then???

Over Achiever
Jan 1, 2003, 06:34 PM
Haha...10 hour battery life with the less efficient G4...that was a good thing about the G3. The G3 was more power efficient.

But hey, if they do get a 10 hour battery, that means 7 hours of real life use. Perhaps 3-5 hours with heavy duty use...that'll be awesome.

I don't see it happening tho' :(

Maybe Tyler is pulling your leg :p

theranch
Jan 1, 2003, 06:36 PM
They just upgraded the ibook line a month ago...they would NEVER kill sales like that nor would they release a major upgrade so soon. Total BS post. Do your research before spreading completely false rumors.

mmoin
Jan 1, 2003, 06:37 PM
I call definite BS. With those kind of specs, the insides of the iBook would be virtually indistinguishable from the Tibook. I mean, give me a break.

Anyway, I sure hope there aren't any iBook updates on the 7th, considering we just got the entry-level iBook for my sister.

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:37 PM
he has told me wrong before.

Over Achiever
Jan 1, 2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by macboy
he has told me wrong before.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. Since this is a rumor site....all BS rumors are allowed :)

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by macboy
he has told me wrong before.

But has he told you right before?

macboy
Jan 1, 2003, 06:54 PM
He's told me right about 90%. But the things he was wrong about came true within the year. Most things at apple get worked on for months even years. Most of the employees know the new products but no one knows when and if the product will be released. They see sooo many prototypes too.

springscansing
Jan 1, 2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by theranch
They just upgraded the ibook line a month ago...they would NEVER kill sales like that nor would they release a major upgrade so soon. Total BS post. Do your research before spreading completely false rumors.

If he's right you're gonna look like a real ass man. :-)

Over Achiever
Jan 1, 2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by springscansing


If he's right you're gonna look like a real ass man. :-)

Hmmm...wasn't groovebuster the one the ragged on apple57 or something? (sorry if I got the s/n wrong). Don't be like him. ;)

HasanDaddy
Jan 1, 2003, 07:12 PM
I can see 'Tyler' being correct

Maybe Apple has found a way to produce the G4 at a price that costs less than the G3??

funkywhat2
Jan 1, 2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by HasanDaddy
I can see 'Tyler' being correct

Maybe Apple has found a way to produce the G4 at a price that costs less than the G3??

Or maybe they're just ripping people off on the G3 and the G4 currently costs less? It does make up the bulk of Apple's sales, based on processor. They do have a $999 G4 system....

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by HasanDaddy
I can see 'Tyler' being correct

Maybe Apple has found a way to produce the G4 at a price that costs less than the G3??

Even if they did, I don't see the iBook getting a G4 anytime soon for two reasons:

1. The Tibook has one and having a G4 in the cheaper iBook would kinda take wind out of the Powerbook sales, don't you think?

2. They just updated the whole notebook line over a month ago!! Do you really think that Apple is going to put a G4 in it in a week??


That said, all the other stuff sound feasable, just not the iBook specs.

funkywhat2
Jan 1, 2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by edvniow



1. The Tibook has one and having a G4 in the cheaper iBook would kinda take wind out of the Powerbook sales, don't you think?


So? The iMac has a G4, and so does the Power Mac, yet home users buy the iMac, not the Power Mac? The PM has slow sales becuase it's a ripoff, not because people could just buy an iMac and get the G4.

Maybe this means that the PowerBook will get DDR? I see nothing in the first post about thew PowerBook.

Moxiemike
Jan 1, 2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Even if they did, I don't see the iBook getting a G4 anytime soon for two reasons:

1. The Tibook has one and having a G4 in the cheaper iBook would kinda take wind out of the Powerbook sales, don't you think?

2. They just updated the whole notebook line over a month ago!! Do you really think that Apple is going to put a G4 in it in a week??


That said, all the other stuff sound feasable, just not the iBook specs.

Not to play devil's advocate e, but... who expected g4 iMacs at MWSF.... i know new iMacs were expected.... but not g4. Maybe there will be a model added at $1799 that is a 14.1 incher with a g4 and a $1599 12.1 incher with g4.

Remember, the iBook counted for like, a HUGE amount of apple sales last year... this would just keep the sales chugging..

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by crazy_will


So? The iMac has a G4, and so does the Power Mac, yet home users buy the iMac, not the Power Mac? The PM has slow sales becuase it's a ripoff, not because people could just buy an iMac and get the G4.

Maybe this means that the PowerBook will get DDR? I see nothing in the first post about thew PowerBook.

The PowerMac also has duals across the line.

I do believe that the iBook will get a G4 by its next major revision, but it just had a speed bump, a video card upgrade and price drop. I seriously doubt that it'll have G4's in a week.

funkywhat2
Jan 1, 2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


The PowerMac also has duals across the line.

I do believe that the iBook will get a G4 by its next major revision, but it just had a speed bump, a video card upgrade and price drop. I seriously doubt that it'll have G4's in a week.

NOW it does. When the iMac came out that wasn't the case.

dabirdwell
Jan 1, 2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Even if they did, I don't see the iBook getting a G4 anytime soon for two reasons:

1. The Tibook has one and having a G4 in the cheaper iBook would kinda take wind out of the Powerbook sales, don't you think?

2. They just updated the whole notebook line over a month ago!! Do you really think that Apple is going to put a G4 in it in a week??


That said, all the other stuff sound feasable, just not the iBook specs.


Wind out of sales...very witty:)

ChicagoMac
Jan 1, 2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by crazy_will


So? The iMac has a G4, and so does the Power Mac, yet home users buy the iMac, not the Power Mac? The PM has slow sales becuase it's a ripoff, not because people could just buy an iMac and get the G4.

Maybe this means that the PowerBook will get DDR? I see nothing in the first post about thew PowerBook.

My understanding is that the G4 does not take advantage of DDR so putting it in the powerbook would be useless.

cubist
Jan 1, 2003, 09:15 PM
Maybe these are all 7457's - the smaller die size means lower power consumption and less cooling requirements. My TiBook gets quite hot, and iBooks have no fans. I guess they will now :-)

Actually what is the point of gigabit ethernet in a laptop? Especially an iBook consumer model?? GE is a server feature. It belongs on the XServe and maybe on the top-end PowerMac.

lmalave
Jan 1, 2003, 09:34 PM
This would have to be with a new, more efficient G4 (10 hour battery life???). If this rumor is true, which I find doubtful, it would also mean that Apple is now taking the strategy of not worrying about cannibalizing sales, and is pegging its fortunes increasingly to the success of the iBook. Again, though, this doesn't seem quite right.

Or maybe Apple's pressure on Motorola pushed them to develop under wraps something like a G4-M, a low-power G4 chip (could the 7457 really have 1/2 the power consumption of the existing G4?). Maybe Moto wanted to ensure that the G4 is used in the iBook and PowerBook for at least a couple more years (maybe to make back investments they've already made in R&D) before they bow out of the CPU market entirely....

pgwalsh
Jan 1, 2003, 10:27 PM
This is inline with what I've heard too. I think Tyler maybe be very colose to what's going to happen.

lmalave
Jan 1, 2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
This is inline with what I've heard too. I think Tyler maybe be very colose to what's going to happen.

Actually, I just checked the specs on the 7457 and its power consumption is about 7.5W vs. 12W or so for the 7455. So assuming the same battery as in the PowerBook, the battery life would be (12/7.5)*5hrs = 8 hrs exactly!!! It just all fits, man! 1GHz 7457 in the iBooks! But dangit I just got one :mad:

Where would this leave the PowerBooks? The 7457 supposedly goes up to 1.4GHz or so, but is that enough to justify the price difference? What the heck are they going to do, have dual-7457's in there? Hahaha - if Apples pulls this one off, (1 GHz G4 in iBook and dual-CPU PowerBooks), this will be truly astonishing. And ironically everyone will be singing the praises of Moto and their awesome laptop CPUs. Hahaha. I gotta hand it to Apple - during this simultaneous tech downturn / PPC chip drought double whammy, they've learned the art of underpromising and overdelivering (not that that restrains their marketing hype *after* the cool new product is delivered)

beez7777
Jan 1, 2003, 11:10 PM
hmm, these iBook upgrades sound possible, but i just don't think that they will happen at MWSF. I agree with edvniow the iBook was just updated a month ago, maybe this will happen in a few months. 10 hour battery life would be really nice, but i just can't see it happening, especially if they're putting in G4s. just sounds like too much, too soon.

canadianmacguy
Jan 1, 2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by theranch
They just upgraded the ibook line a month ago...they would NEVER kill sales like that nor would they release a major upgrade so soon. Total BS post. Do your research before spreading completely false rumors.

You know, the old Apple probably wouldn't do that.. but I'm not so sure about the new Apple..

I think anytime is fair game now (within reason), if something is ready, it's going out... ie. the iBook line wasn't upgraded, all they did was put in a faster processor and video card. An upgrade to me would be built in Bluetooth, or faster firewire - ie. something that requires some sort of motherboard change. Faster processors or different video cards don't need new motherboards...

lmalave
Jan 1, 2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by beez7777
hmm, these iBook upgrades sound possible, but i just don't think that they will happen at MWSF. I agree with edvniow the iBook was just updated a month ago, maybe this will happen in a few months. 10 hour battery life would be really nice, but i just can't see it happening, especially if they're putting in G4s. just sounds like too much, too soon.

But maybe Apple got Moto to accelerate the release of the 7457, and figures that it has to integrate the new chips ASAP to keep market share, even if it did just update the iBooks a couple months ago. I'm sure that Apple has had prototypes of these machines for a while now, so it's not as if they had to rush to redesign the iBook for the G4. They probably had the production all ready to go and were just waiting for the chips....

Chaszmyr
Jan 1, 2003, 11:29 PM
G4 and Superdrive in the ibook?! Allow me to take this opportunity to laugh

lmalave
Jan 1, 2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Chaszmyr
G4 and Superdrive in the ibook?! Allow me to take this opportunity to laugh

Why not? The 14" iBook costs from $1600 to $1850 - it should have a freakin' superdrive, which only adds a couple hundred bucks now to the cost anyway. In fact, I think Apple should add a SuperDrive to the 12.1" and price it a t $1500 - the smaller 12.1" form factor is so much better and more popular. Maybe they could upgrade the PowerBooks to 2x Superdrives to try to maintain more differentiation.

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by lmalave


Why not? The 14" iBook costs from $1600 to $1850 - it should have a freakin' superdrive, which only adds a couple hundred bucks now to the cost anyway. Maybe they could upgrade the PowerBooks to 2x Superdrives to try to maintain more differentiation.

Okay, for sake of argument, let's take this rumor seriously for a moment.

The iBook will get a G4, gigabit ethernet and a Superdrive in a week.

Prices only go up about $200 for the higher end ones, about $1999 for the highest.

If the Powerbooks stay the same by MWSF with no major revisions, what possible reason would I have to buy a $3000 Powerbook where I can do 90% of what it can do on a $2000 iBook??

Like I said before, the iBook will get a G4 someday but I seriously doubt that someday is a little more than a week.

lmalave
Jan 1, 2003, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Okay, for sake of argument, let's take this rumor seriously for a moment.

The iBook will get a G4, gigabit ethernet and a Superdrive in a week.

Prices only go up about $200 for the higher end ones, about $1999 for the highest.

If the Powerbooks stay the same by MWSF with no major revisions, what possible reason would I have to buy a $3000 Powerbook where I can do 90% of what it can do on a $2000 iBook??

Like I said before, the iBook will get a G4 someday but I seriously doubt that someday is a little more than a week.

Like I said before, dual-7457s! Since the 7457 has so much lower power consumption, who knows, this could be feasible. So iBooks would be to PowerBooks as iMacs are to PowerMacs. The "Power" line would have dual CPUs and better components to justify the price difference.

vniow
Jan 1, 2003, 11:59 PM
Guess we'll see in a week then.http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/smiley.gif

MacSalesGuy
Jan 2, 2003, 12:40 AM
You all know better, Apple does everything in order.........you should all know that the only CPU we are going to see a huge update on is the iMac G4, and some small additions to the eMac. This isn't information directly from Apple, it's just an educated guess.:p

And.....

I don't think they will be updating the ibook this time around. There is nothing wrong with having gigabit ethernet on the ibook, I sell just as many to businesses than I do to consumers so think of it as an added benefit, and for those of you that don't know.......... The speed of the ethernet is only as fast as the slowest connection, check out the example below:

10BT+10BT= 10BT Speed

10/100+10/1000= 100BT speed

10/100/1000+10/100/1000= 1000BT speed

Hope I didn't confuse anyone and have a Happy New Year!

arnette
Jan 2, 2003, 12:41 AM
wow, I'm actually excited about MWSF now. I have serious doubts that iBooks get updates in Jan. instead of May... but I'm all for it if they do!:)

macboy
Jan 2, 2003, 12:29 PM
It looks like tyler was right already!

iCal and iSync have been released today just in time for MWSF.

e-coli
Jan 2, 2003, 12:52 PM
Hmm...they just keep making the "pro" lines less and less worth the money.

Oh well. :rolleyes:

macboy
Jan 2, 2003, 07:19 PM
Sorry guys....

Tyler has asked me to remove this post because Apple isn't too happy...

MacBoy

Over Achiever
Jan 2, 2003, 07:22 PM
Um...anyone have a chance to take a look at whatever he posted?

lmalave
Jan 2, 2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by macboy
Sorry guys....

Tyler has asked me to remove this post because Apple isn't too happy...

MacBoy

Dude, don't get your buddy fired :eek:

Mum's the word. Only a few more days to wait now anyway.

vniow
Jan 2, 2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Over Achiever
Um...anyone have a chance to take a look at whatever he posted?

Well we all probably know about the iBooks (G4, Gigabit Ethernet on top model plus Superdrive)

eMacs- speed bump

iMacs- same

Powermacs- same

iDVD-update

iMovie- update

iMac G3- dropped

And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

e-coli
Jan 2, 2003, 09:18 PM
Why you ever posted his name is beyond me.

I would be quite upset if I were Tyler. But that's just me.

iconrad
Jan 2, 2003, 10:12 PM
I was wondering if to fully utilize a T3 connection to the internet if you had to have a 10/100/1000 ethernet port or if you could use a 10/100. If you need a gigabyte ethernet I hope the iBook gets it. And info would be helpful.

Chaszmyr
Jan 2, 2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by iconrad
I was wondering if to fully utilize a T3 connection to the internet if you had to have a 10/100/1000 ethernet port or if you could use a 10/100. If you need a gigabyte ethernet I hope the iBook gets it. And info would be helpful.

Depends on the number of computers sharing the T3 really. But I would have to say unless you are running an extreme server for a business or something, gigabit ethernet is useless. 10/100 is already pretty darn fast.

macboy
Jan 2, 2003, 10:40 PM
Talking to my network admin this evening and he says he thinks the reason for gigabit ethernet in the iBook would be for a cheaper solution that the PowerBook for Network administrators laptops. At our work, our admins have laptops so they can work on the servers anywhere across the WAN.

Also for businesses such as publishing and video production, the transfer speed of very large files using gigabit ethernet would be faster.

Gus
Jan 2, 2003, 11:52 PM
There's one part of this equation you have left out-Apple has been known to be working on better battery technologies. Maybe, (and since we are all entertaining this rumor) they have a new battery that they will introduce into all of the laptops. This would at least be more feasble than new low-power G4 chips, don't you think?

Just a thought.

Regards,
Gus