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mclld
Oct 8, 2013, 09:27 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/8/4818572/samsung-galaxy-round-curved-oled-smartphone-official



radiohead14
Oct 8, 2013, 10:12 PM
go home samsung... you're drunk

Apollo 13
Oct 8, 2013, 10:17 PM
ahh...that's one ugly phone. Would jab you in the ass if you put in back pocket.

jon3543
Oct 8, 2013, 10:25 PM
And this thing deserves to exist because... ???

nooaah
Oct 8, 2013, 10:29 PM
Ew.

Assault
Oct 8, 2013, 10:29 PM
Somehow I don't see this as a legit photo. This makes zero sense. If you place it on a flat surface, it'll have tendency to rock back and forth and be impossible to touch the screen properly. It won't fit in a pocket very nicely. Trying to put a screen protector on that would be an exercise in futility! (Can you imagine trying to squeegy that!)

Sorry, but I can't see this as real. On the flip side, why the hell didn't they use this for their watch! Make the screen 2" wide and 1.5" high that curves around the wrist. Similar to those fake images we have seen of that clear iWatch.

Sorry Samsung, but you are losing my business.

rhinosrcool
Oct 8, 2013, 10:31 PM
To think that I was waiting until the 11th to get my Note 3. Now, I can wait longer and get this! Oh wait....

What's the benefit? Seriously, I don't get it.:confused:

By sliding your either your palm or the side of your hand, can you do a screen capture?

A wallet case will be weird.

If you put it in your front pocket, won't there be a bulge?

mclld
Oct 8, 2013, 10:34 PM
Good thing about Samsung they can just make whatever and if it doesnt sell then no big deal..next product! Sometimes they make good, other times not.

whoknows87
Oct 8, 2013, 10:36 PM
And a few fuss about Apple iPhone staying the same for a while lol isn't this an S4? just like the Note 3 is an over sized S4 Just like the Samsung Mega etc...

rhinosrcool
Oct 8, 2013, 10:37 PM
Somehow I don't see this as a legit photo. This makes zero sense. If you place it on a flat surface, it'll have tendency to rock back and forth and be impossible to touch the screen properly. It won't fit in a pocket very nicely. Trying to put a screen protector on that would be an exercise in futility! (Can you imagine trying to squeegy that!)

Sorry, but I can't see this as real. On the flip side, why the hell didn't they use this for their watch! Make the screen 2" wide and 1.5" high that curves around the wrist. Similar to those fake images we have seen of that clear iWatch.

Sorry Samsung, but you are losing my business.

The watch idea makes sense.

JoeG4
Oct 8, 2013, 10:42 PM
If you put it in your front pockets, in theory the curvature will make having a large screen less awkward.

You really shouldn't stick a smartphone in a back pocket.

F123D
Oct 8, 2013, 11:07 PM
No thanks.

rak007
Oct 8, 2013, 11:20 PM
Me First Me First Me First

maxwelltech
Oct 8, 2013, 11:23 PM
Can you actually roll this thing to form a circle?:p

watchthisspace
Oct 9, 2013, 12:04 AM
Somehow I don't see this as a legit photo. This makes zero sense. If you place it on a flat surface, it'll have tendency to rock back and forth and be impossible to touch the screen properly. It won't fit in a pocket very nicely. Trying to put a screen protector on that would be an exercise in futility! (Can you imagine trying to squeegy that!)

Sorry, but I can't see this as real. On the flip side, why the hell didn't they use this for their watch! Make the screen 2" wide and 1.5" high that curves around the wrist. Similar to those fake images we have seen of that clear iWatch.

Sorry Samsung, but you are losing my business.

Did you watch the video?

I like how you're put off Samsung over one device that you do not like. :rolleyes:

kenknotts
Oct 9, 2013, 12:11 AM
"The potential benefit of this screen technology isn't quite clear yet, but Samsung is touting a new feature called "Round Interaction," which allows you to look at information such as missed calls, battery life, and the date and time when you tilt it on a flat surface with the screen off."

Is this really a problem? Is it becoming too difficult for people to look down at their phone laying on a flat surface when something comes in or even *gasp* pick it up and look at it? I wonder if Samsung actually has an R&D dept, or if they just produce and release anything a member of the design team sketches out hoping it sticks :confused:

Jibbajabba
Oct 9, 2013, 12:58 AM
Some people forgetting that it isn't even for our market. Different markets, different demand. Like Japanese, their 'keitai' needs to be a flip phone with focus on camera, we love smart phones and the Chinese love Dual Sim too .....

You don't like it - don't import it. :-)

Assault
Oct 9, 2013, 01:03 AM
Did you watch the video?

I like how you're put off Samsung over one device that you do not like. :rolleyes:

It's not one device. Since the S3 (which I was one of the very first owners of) Samsung has moved away from what made the S3 so great. And I abhor Touchwiz. It was bad with the S3 and has become completely over bloated with crap. Samung is trying to shove their own crapware down everyone's throat (Kies is god awful as an iTunes clone). And for the record, my family has two S3's, a Note 2, and a Note 8. So, I am very familiar with Samsung products. And my opinion of a curved display like this one (regardless of manufacturer) stands. There are places for a curved panel, but a phone is not one of them.

Vesselam
Oct 9, 2013, 06:44 AM
wowwwww.......

Samsung Round Price & Specifications (http://shoprex.com/phones-and-tablets/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-round-curved-display-phone-mpid3487)

onthecouchagain
Oct 9, 2013, 06:55 AM
Sorry Samsung, but you are losing my business.

Dramatic, much? lol.

Look, I don't care for the device either, but it's not like they're going to stop producing their flagships like the Galaxy S series and the Note series and their tablets (which seem to be increasing in popularity -- the "Galaxy" branding is really paying off).

What does this one phone they put out do to you exactly? You're not forced to buy it. Heck, it's, so far, available only in Korea.

There is no harm done with Samsung experimenting. In many ways, this is a natural progression -- they went from curved OLED televisions (those are gorgeous, have you seen them?) to curve smartphones. I get it. Maybe this is purely a move to show the world they can do something like this. I don't know.

And they clearly can -- meaning, they have the tech to do so, but also the financial backing. What do we have to lose for them experimenting? Absolutely nothing. What other manufacturer is doing what Samsung (and to some extent, LG) is doing? Certainly not a certain fruit company...

I said this before:


Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.


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Anyway, back to point... I wouldn't bother to get this phone personally, either.

Is the display the oft talked about flexible display? Meaning it's more shatter-proof? I feel like Samsung and LG are in a race to make this technology popular.

Sounds like their TV race. Go them. It's nice to see that despite clearly rising to the top spot as an Android OEM, Samsung isn't resting on their laurels.

Digital Skunk
Oct 9, 2013, 07:25 AM
Some people forgetting that it isn't even for our market. Different markets, different demand. Like Japanese, their 'keitai' needs to be a flip phone with focus on camera, we love smart phones and the Chinese love Dual Sim too .....

You don't like it - don't import it. :-)

NO! Only the spoiled, sheltered American iPhone user opinion matters. And our opinions come directly from the all mighty Apple, so tall skinny phones to match our tall skinny jeans and tall skinny lattes are all that needs to be made. Besides thinking different is SO 90's

Seriously though I agree. Samsung does push concepts out that most companies would just leave on the design floor, but it's a Korea only phone so it may just be well received.

Me personally? Love the screen size of course and can see why it'd need to be curved; so it can fit against yoir body comfortably, but I'd need it to go flat again and have an S-Pen.

fullauto
Oct 9, 2013, 07:38 AM
One would think if it was screen face down with pressure applied to the back - it would crack down the middle?

Why do we need curved phones? :confused:

skratch77
Oct 9, 2013, 07:39 AM
The curved screen will improve sun light visibility and Aldo make the screen harder to break when dropped.

A lot of you people complained about putting a huge phone in your skinny jeans and Samsung listened and this curve will curve to your leg and be a lot more comfortable having a 5.7in phone in your pocket

steviewhy
Oct 9, 2013, 07:49 AM
I definitely wouldn't buy it but more choices for people is always a good thing.

Rogifan
Oct 9, 2013, 07:51 AM
go home samsung... you're drunk

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5051e027ecad044d18000014-960/tim-cook.jpg

Rogifan
Oct 9, 2013, 08:07 AM
I definitely wouldn't buy it but more choices for people is always a good thing.

Has that always proven to be true? I agree that making things better is good for people but is choice just for the sake of choice a good thing? Do consumers really need/want all these variants of Galaxy products (and i might have even missed some)? S4, S4 Mini, Mega, Note, Tab, Grand, Active, Beam, Blaze, Fascinate, Victory, Zoom, Gear, and now Round.

Seems to me right now Samsung is obsessed with throwing stuff out there just to say they did it and not really caring if its actually a good product or not. I mean the Galaxy Gear is a product that shouldn't have come to market in its current form but Samsung was obsessed with the need to have a "smartwatch" on the market before Apple or Google, so they rushed it just so they could say "first!". I don't see that as a good thing for consumers.

mclld
Oct 9, 2013, 08:16 AM
Dont like a product, dont buy. No harm in it

steviewhy
Oct 9, 2013, 08:20 AM
Has that always proven to be true? I agree that making things better is good for people but is choice just for the sake of choice a good thing? Do consumers really need/want all these variants of Galaxy products (and i might have even missed some)? S4, S4 Mini, Mega, Note, Tab, Grand, Active, Beam, Blaze, Fascinate, Victory, Zoom, Gear, and now Round.

Seems to me right now Samsung is obsessed with throwing stuff out there just to say they did it and not really caring if its actually a good product or not. I mean the Galaxy Gear is a product that shouldn't have come to market in its current form but Samsung was obsessed with the need to have a "smartwatch" on the market before Apple or Google, so they rushed it just so they could say "first!". I don't see that as a good thing for consumers.

Whether Samsung sells enough of any product line to justify the R&D that went into as well as the manufacturing costs is a moot point. The fact is that someone will buy it. How many? Who knows? They only have their stockholders to answer to after all. If a product doesn't appeal to you don't buy it. If a manufacturer doesn't appeal to you don't invest in it. It's really that simple.

Jessica Lares
Oct 9, 2013, 08:37 AM
The curved screen will improve sun light visibility and Aldo make the screen harder to break when dropped.

A lot of you people complained about putting a huge phone in your skinny jeans and Samsung listened and this curve will curve to your leg and be a lot more comfortable having a 5.7in phone in your pocket

It would stretch my pockets out.

Prototypical
Oct 9, 2013, 08:41 AM
Dont like a product, dont buy. No harm in it

So the only people that are allowed to discuss it are people who like it?

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It would stretch my pockets out.

If you slip it into your pocket screen-->leg, it might actually fit BETTER (since it would curve around your leg). But otherwise, yes, I otherwise can't fathom why this is necessary... especially on such a large phone. It isn't going to lay on the table properly either.

tbayrgs
Oct 9, 2013, 08:48 AM
Dramatic, much? lol.

Look, I don't care for the device either, but it's not like they're going to stop producing their flagships like the Galaxy S series and the Note series and their tablets (which seem to be increasing in popularity -- the "Galaxy" branding is really paying off).

What does this one phone they put out do to you exactly? You're not forced to buy it. Heck, it's, so far, available only in Korea.

There is no harm done with Samsung experimenting. In many ways, this is a natural progression -- they went from curved OLED televisions (those are gorgeous, have you seen them?) to curve smartphones. I get it. Maybe this is purely a move to show the world they can do something like this. I don't know.

And they clearly can -- meaning, they have the tech to do so, but also the financial backing. What do we have to lose for them experimenting? Absolutely nothing. What other manufacturer is doing what Samsung (and to some extent, LG) is doing? Certainly not a certain fruit company...

Anyway, back to point... I wouldn't bother to get this phone personally, either.

Is the display the oft talked about flexible display? Meaning it's more shatter-proof? I feel like Samsung and LG are in a race to make this technology popular.

Sounds like their TV race. Go them. It's nice to see that despite clearly rising to the top spot as an Android OEM, Samsung isn't resting on their laurels.

Have to agree with Couch on this one. Why is everyone so upset about a product that is 1) not available in most of our markets and 2) not replacing any of their tried and true devices?

Samsung is testing new tech--this benefits all of us, whether it's in future Samsung gear (no pun invented) or by forcing competitors to up their game. This may not be an ideal application of these new curved displays but it's likely the easiest way to test certain aspects, considering they have the infrastructure in place for smartphone manufacturing, vs. designing an entirely new price from the ground up. What if this product in turn leads to a slimmer, more aesthetically pleasing smartwatch with greater functionality, or other slimmer, smaller products because they don't have to be made to use a flat display?

Now had this been the actual (and only version) of the Note 3, I could understand the anger but as it is, at best it will lead to better products and at worst, this phone isn't in demand and it goes away--no harm, no foul.

Jibbajabba
Oct 9, 2013, 08:52 AM
NO! Only the spoiled, sheltered American iPhone user opinion matters. And our opinions come directly from the all mighty Apple, so tall skinny phones to match our tall skinny jeans and tall skinny lattes are all that needs to be made. Besides thinking different is SO 90's

Seriously though I agree. Samsung does push concepts out that most companies would just leave on the design floor, but it's a Korea only phone so it may just be well received.

Me personally? Love the screen size of course and can see why it'd need to be curved; so it can fit against yoir body comfortably, but I'd need it to go flat again and have an S-Pen.

Actually it might make it easier to use one-handed

ucfgrad93
Oct 9, 2013, 09:08 AM
What's the benefit? Seriously, I don't get it.:confused:

I'm not sure I see a benefit other than Samsung saying "See what we just did!"

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 9, 2013, 09:11 AM
It would stretch my pockets out.

Depends on how curvy you are in the first place.....

mclld
Oct 9, 2013, 09:16 AM
So the only people that are allowed to discuss it are people who like it?[COLOR="#808080"]


Where did I say that? Oh that is right, I didnt. This thread was posted for discussion, my follow up post was discussion

jamezr
Oct 9, 2013, 09:32 AM
Image (http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5051e027ecad044d18000014-960/tim-cook.jpg)
LOL....love the pic......no doubt they are are laughing at your tagline......"See when WE release a plastic phone its cool! the public just buys whatever we put out!"


On Topic.........the ability to make screens that can be a shape other than flat is still evolving......

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Has that always proven to be true? I agree that making things better is good for people but is choice just for the sake of choice a good thing? Do consumers really need/want all these variants of Galaxy products (and i might have even missed some)? S4, S4 Mini, Mega, Note, Tab, Grand, Active, Beam, Blaze, Fascinate, Victory, Zoom, Gear, and now Round.

Seems to me right now Samsung is obsessed with throwing stuff out there just to say they did it and not really caring if its actually a good product or not. I mean the Galaxy Gear is a product that shouldn't have come to market in its current form but Samsung was obsessed with the need to have a "smartwatch" on the market before Apple or Google, so they rushed it just so they could say "first!". I don't see that as a good thing for consumers.
I don't know maybe like..... the iPhone 4s...the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5s...the iPhone 5c and all the colors..... and plastic cases to put on a well....plastic phone.....all the different shapes and sizes of the ipods........

Rogifan
Oct 9, 2013, 10:00 AM
I don't know maybe like..... the iPhone 4s...the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5s...the iPhone 5c and all the colors..... and plastic cases to put on a well....plastic phone.....all the different shapes and sizes of the ipods........

So you're comparing new models of one phone to umpteen variations of another phone, many of which are variations that serve a niche market. Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note are useful variations on a product line IMO. Galaxy Zoom, Galaxy Beam and now Galaxy Curve are extremely niche products that probably should never have left the R&D lab. I saw the video on the Galaxy Curve that says you just rock the phone forward to get notifications, time etc. and then when it rocks back the screen goes dark. Big deal. I can push the sleep/wake button on my iPhone today and do the exact same thing. Don't need a curved display for that.

Oh and Galaxy Active? Why do consumes need an S4 and an Active? Why not combine them into one device?

rockitdog
Oct 9, 2013, 10:06 AM
Can someone explain to me the fascination of the curved glass... It's just dumb IMO.

mclld
Oct 9, 2013, 10:08 AM
No appeal to me either

jamezr
Oct 9, 2013, 10:08 AM
So you're comparing new models of one phone to umpteen variations of another phone, many of which are variations that serve a niche market. Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note are useful variations on a product line IMO. Galaxy Zoom, Galaxy Beam and now Galaxy Curve are extremely niche products that probably should never have left the R&D lab. I saw the video on the Galaxy Curve that says you just rock the phone forward to get notifications, time etc. and then when it rocks back the screen goes dark. Big deal. I can push the sleep/wake button on my iPhone today and do the exact same thing. Don't need a curved display for that.

Oh and Galaxy Active? Why do consumes need an S4 and an Active? Why not combine them into one device?
So you are complaining about consumers have choices? If the buying public does not buy a product guess what happens? the product goes away. Samsung seems to have a strategy of putting out a LOT of products to see which one the public will buy. Why is that bad? No one is forcing anyone to buy it. Samsung is not forcing people to buy their products. The curved screen phone in this thread is not even available anywhere except Asia to my knowledge. Maybe they did surveys and that is what the consumers in the geographical area wants? why is that bad? Why is it bad to have a Galaxy S4 Active that is somewhat weather proof? Maybe that is what some consumers want. Doesn't mean you have to buy one......The limitations to produce the Active maybe limited it to a certain feature set. So to avoid limiting features for the rest of the consumers they released the Active and S4. Consumer choice in never a bad thing..........

MacRumorUser
Oct 9, 2013, 10:14 AM
Can someone explain to me the fascination of the curved glass... It's just dumb IMO.

It seems to be a case of 'because they can' at the moment.

LG's will be the same. Maybe its a south korean battle to be the first, rather than to serve a genuine consumer interest.

Jessica Lares
Oct 9, 2013, 10:33 AM
Depends on how curvy you are in the first place.....

I'm not, that's why it would stretch my pockets. :o See, I had problems with my S2 compared to my iPhone 4, and it's why I've got a Lumia 520 now.

Often times I would get into the car or sit at a chair, and the thing would plop out of my pocket onto the floor or concrete.

jamezr
Oct 9, 2013, 10:33 AM
It seems to be a case of 'because they can' at the moment.

LG's will be the same. Maybe its a south korean battle to be the first, rather than to serve a genuine consumer interest.
I think you are right MRU....They are releasing this to show that can produce this type of screen. But what is exciting is to see some of the demos from Samsung on the flexible screen displays and the possibilities for future devices.
If releasing this product leads to these products being developed and released then I am all for it!

Here is the update link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtedGKgQcU

tbayrgs
Oct 9, 2013, 11:37 AM
I think you are right MRU....They are releasing this to show that can produce this type of screen. But what is exciting is to see some of the demos from Samsung on the flexible screen displays and the possibilities for future devices.
If releasing this product leads to these products being developed and released then I am all for it!
http:/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFSDJtKDIGI

Bad link jamezr.

ethanlee
Oct 9, 2013, 11:38 AM
Suddenly Ive's words make a lot of sense...

"[referring to Touch ID] it's not just rampant technology for technology's sake..."

jamezr
Oct 9, 2013, 11:49 AM
Bad link jamezr.

Thanks! Sorry here is the correct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtedGKgQcU

JediZenMaster
Oct 9, 2013, 12:07 PM
I think the curved screen concept is interesting. After all if no one ever thought outside of the box we would not even have touch screen phones, 3D TV's etc.

I'm not suprised that there is so much distain for this on mac rumors. We all know if apple had released a phone with a curved screen it would be "OMG" "shut up and take my money" as well as singing hosannas in the street about the device. However, Since its samsung its instantly written off as crap.

I'm so glad i have an open mind and am not a slave to any device or any platform. Later fanboys!

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 9, 2013, 03:39 PM
How does one make a cover for that, and how would touch controls with gaming be?

I do like the direction Samsung is going.

Assault
Oct 9, 2013, 11:35 PM
Dramatic, much? lol.

Look, I don't care for the device either, but it's not like they're going to stop producing their flagships like the Galaxy S series and the Note series and their tablets (which seem to be increasing in popularity -- the "Galaxy" branding is really paying off).

What does this one phone they put out do to you exactly? You're not forced to buy it. Heck, it's, so far, available only in Korea.

There is no harm done with Samsung experimenting. In many ways, this is a natural progression -- they went from curved OLED televisions (those are gorgeous, have you seen them?) to curve smartphones. I get it. Maybe this is purely a move to show the world they can do something like this. I don't know.

And they clearly can -- meaning, they have the tech to do so, but also the financial backing. What do we have to lose for them experimenting? Absolutely nothing. What other manufacturer is doing what Samsung (and to some extent, LG) is doing? Certainly not a certain fruit company...

I said this before:



Couch, you are reading to much into what I said. It isn't one product that has turned my off to Samsung. They are moving towards their own ecosystem, and only Samsung stuff will work with Samsung products. This curved screen phone is fine. I don't care for it, not gonna buy it, couldn't give a crap if anyone does. I will not play in a walled garden.
If you want specifics, look no further than Keis (god awful piece of software), the gear watch (only working with the Galaxy Note 3 and don't think that wasn't intentional), proprietary DHL 9-pinned TV out (requiring their specific adaptor), Tizen (don't think for one second that Samsung won't make this their go-to OS), and so on.
Good for them in attempting to create their own ecosystem, but they have slowly lost my business in their attempt to mimic Apple.

Digital Skunk
Oct 10, 2013, 07:23 AM
It seems to be a case of 'because they can' at the moment.

LG's will be the same. Maybe its a south korean battle to be the first, rather than to serve a genuine consumer interest.

So Korea doesn't have any genuine consumer interests?

Funny how no one seems to remember the fat iPod Nano and its hideous design when things like this come up. Or Apple's 600 dollar iPod color which was a trsy bed for the iPod Video.

Sylon
Oct 10, 2013, 07:53 AM
Not sure if Samsung is releasing a phone the public never asked for, or if they are releasing a phone the public didn't know they wanted. I'm pretty sure they are trying to figure that out and this is nothing more than an experiment. They wouldn't do this with a flagship unless having a curved screen was something the public really wanted. Being that they just launched a curved TV, they probably figured "why not a phone?"

daveathall
Oct 10, 2013, 08:03 AM
If one likes it, buy it, if one doesn't like it, don't buy it, no harm done.

MacRumorUser
Oct 10, 2013, 08:34 AM
So Korea doesn't have any genuine consumer interests?

Funny how no one seems to remember the fat iPod Nano and its hideous design when things like this come up. Or Apple's 600 dollar iPod color which was a trsy bed for the iPod Video.

The point I was making is that both LG & Samsung, both South Korean, both launching similar variations of handsets right at the same time - both in very limited quantities, expensively priced out of the range of most consumers and in only what appears to be one territory.

That to me sounds like they are releasing a product because they can, because it is good PR / Marketing rather than serving a consumer 'demand'.

So stop twisting what I was saying as a bash, it's not. It's merely an observation. end of....

Dontazemebro
Oct 10, 2013, 08:45 AM
So you're comparing new models of one phone to umpteen variations of another phone, many of which are variations that serve a niche market. Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note are useful variations on a product line IMO. Galaxy Zoom, Galaxy Beam and now Galaxy Curve are extremely niche products that probably should never have left the R&D lab. I saw the video on the Galaxy Curve that says you just rock the phone forward to get notifications, time etc. and then when it rocks back the screen goes dark. Big deal. I can push the sleep/wake button on my iPhone today and do the exact same thing. Don't need a curved display for that.

Oh and Galaxy Active? Why do consumes need an S4 and an Active? Why not combine them into one device?

You don't need it but whose to say that kid living 5 blocks down from you hasn't been waiting for the perfect phablet to slip into his skinny jeans.

This is not the Stalin regime, choice is a good thing.

mattopotamus
Oct 10, 2013, 08:54 AM
So you're comparing new models of one phone to umpteen variations of another phone, many of which are variations that serve a niche market. Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note are useful variations on a product line IMO. Galaxy Zoom, Galaxy Beam and now Galaxy Curve are extremely niche products that probably should never have left the R&D lab. I saw the video on the Galaxy Curve that says you just rock the phone forward to get notifications, time etc. and then when it rocks back the screen goes dark. Big deal. I can push the sleep/wake button on my iPhone today and do the exact same thing. Don't need a curved display for that.

Oh and Galaxy Active? Why do consumes need an S4 and an Active? Why not combine them into one device?

I think I can answer that. The Active is not quite the spec beast the s4 is and that is b.c they needed to shave cost somewhere. If they combined the two into one phone they would probably have to charge more than the average consumer would be willing to pay.

onthecouchagain
Oct 10, 2013, 09:31 AM
Couch, you are reading to much into what I said. It isn't one product that has turned my off to Samsung. They are moving towards their own ecosystem, and only Samsung stuff will work with Samsung products. This curved screen phone is fine. I don't care for it, not gonna buy it, couldn't give a crap if anyone does. I will not play in a walled garden.
If you want specifics, look no further than Keis (god awful piece of software), the gear watch (only working with the Galaxy Note 3 and don't think that wasn't intentional), proprietary DHL 9-pinned TV out (requiring their specific adaptor), Tizen (don't think for one second that Samsung won't make this their go-to OS), and so on.
Good for them in attempting to create their own ecosystem, but they have slowly lost my business in their attempt to mimic Apple.

Oh. I don't know how I didn't gather any of that from your post:

Somehow I don't see this as a legit photo. This makes zero sense. If you place it on a flat surface, it'll have tendency to rock back and forth and be impossible to touch the screen properly. It won't fit in a pocket very nicely. Trying to put a screen protector on that would be an exercise in futility! (Can you imagine trying to squeegy that!)

Sorry, but I can't see this as real. On the flip side, why the hell didn't they use this for their watch! Make the screen 2" wide and 1.5" high that curves around the wrist. Similar to those fake images we have seen of that clear iWatch.

Sorry Samsung, but you are losing my business.

But okay.

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Rogifan, what precisely is wrong with choice?

Did you read anything that I or tbargys wrote in this thread? Care to respond?

Genuinely curious to hear your answer.

Here are the two posts in question:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=18108801&postcount=20

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=18109454&postcount=31

And I said it best here:


Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

kdarling
Oct 10, 2013, 09:32 AM
Can someone explain to me the fascination of the curved glass... It's just dumb IMO.

In no particular order, there are some advantages to curved:


Fits the hand better


Fits the 3D sweep of a thumb better


Less linear width for a thumb to stretch


Fits some pockets better


It can also be seen as a showcase of technology that will one day be commonplace.

And, of course, simply because they can :) . Similar to the all LiquidMetal chassis luxury smartphone that Samsung made back around 2006 (before Apple bought up all the rights so nobody else could use it any more).

Technarchy
Oct 10, 2013, 12:17 PM
About as useful as Air View...as in not useful at all.

Wouldn't even remotely consider buying one.

Tinmania
Oct 10, 2013, 12:25 PM
In no particular order, there are some advantages to curved:


Fits the hand better


Fits the 3D sweep of a thumb better


Less linear width for a thumb to stretch


Fits some pockets better


It can also be seen as a showcase of technology that will one day be commonplace.

And, of course, simply because they can :) . Similar to the all LiquidMetal chassis luxury smartphone that Samsung made back around 2006 (before Apple bought up all the rights so nobody else could use it any more).

And depending upon how it lands, the curved glass could be more resistant to breaking.



Michael

Aye
Oct 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
Image (http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5051e027ecad044d18000014-960/tim-cook.jpg)

Deserves to be in every page of this thread.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 01:07 PM
I personally couldn't care less if they mass produced this phone or not.....at some point though you have to think adding more and more devices to their product line will cause issues.....a company can only handle so much.

On the other hand, I find it hilarious that Samsung releasing a phone with no discernible benefit with a form factor that doesn't solve any problem consumers are having is somehow laudable....somehow, producing some random piece of technology isn't "resting on their laurels" simply because its different.

How about, instead of spewing out all kinds of worthless nonsense, Samsung make headway in their software.....which is absolute garbage. This is a great example of the whole "jack of all trades, master of none". They are so consumed at making the next great marketing hype, they ignore the real problems their devices have.....

Luckily, there are enough choices out there from OEMs not spewing out dozens of new devices per year with ridiculous form factors and little to no real applications or benefits....

coldjeanzzz
Oct 11, 2013, 01:11 PM
Has Samsung ever made a decent looking smartphone? Everything they do in the mobile world is just so hideous

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 01:18 PM
Has Samsung ever made a decent looking handset? Everything they do in the mobile world is just so hideous

Aside from the camera bulge, I actually quite like the hardware of the GS4. Software wise, its a complete mess. But the hardware is nice. I was actually a little surprised at how much I liked it.

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Actually, you know what pisses me off most about all these variants Samsung produces?

Its that they are either too stupid or don't care to take the time to figure out how to COMBINE some of these into one awesome device....

I would have loved an S4 active. But its bulkier, has a slower processor, worse camera etc....

Instead of spending all this time on producing variant after variant (choice for the sake of choice). Why not FIGURE out how to combine a few of the USEFUL variants into one great smartphone?

TheHateMachine
Oct 11, 2013, 01:25 PM
The buttmad is strong here... never thought I would need to use that word on MR but the sheer amount of hate in the first couple of pages is fairly high and that is the best word I can use to describe it.

This must have started out in a different sub forum and moved here.

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 02:15 PM
I personally couldn't care less if they mass produced this phone or not.....at some point though you have to think adding more and more devices to their product line will cause issues.....a company can only handle so much.

On the other hand, I find it hilarious that Samsung releasing a phone with no discernible benefit with a form factor that doesn't solve any problem consumers are having is somehow laudable....somehow, producing some random piece of technology isn't "resting on their laurels" simply because its different.

How about, instead of spewing out all kinds of worthless nonsense, Samsung make headway in their software.....which is absolute garbage. This is a great example of the whole "jack of all trades, master of none". They are so consumed at making the next great marketing hype, they ignore the real problems their devices have.....

Luckily, there are enough choices out there from OEMs not spewing out dozens of new devices per year with ridiculous form factors and little to no real applications or benefits....


Again, let's talk specifics Jr, cause this seems to really bother you and I still don't fully understand your sentiment. Given your past history with Samsung where you've more or less admitted you dislike Samsung just cause, I have to wonder if it's that rearing it's ugly head again or if you actually have an actual concern.

What is the issue and how is Samsung hurting you exactly (or consumers in general) by producing a more diverse portfolio of products? What does this have to do with their software, which I myself am not a fan of. You don't think they're working to improve TouchWiz? Do you think they pulled every single one of their software engineers off adding to and/or improving TouchWiz to design this one curved/flexible device?

Seriously, what is exactly this issue you keep alluding to? Last time I asked relating to this, I got an incomplete answer. I'm left still trying to understand it:

I don't agree that your last statement is 100% true. Do I have any specific evidence? Not at this time....just don't feel it always holds true.

Just an opinion.



I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying I don't see any evidence of an issue here. Samsung has their problems and shortcomings, no doubt, but offering an increasingly diverse portfolio of devices that are geared toward specific niches, markets, consumers, users is not one of them. I get you prefer Apple's, in my opinion, too limited portfolio where lack of options is construed as very "focused" and "getting it right," (which is true most of the time), but this model clearly isn't the one and only way to do things, to be successful, or to make money. Look at car makers (one of probably many examples); they often design and build cars for specific niches and markets too based on country, income, class, etc.

Again, if Samsung can do this, that is, if they have the resources, why shouldn't they? Even if it's purely a marketing stunt or purely to show the world they can, if they can, why shouldn't they? It gets people talking, it's marketing, it's publicity, it's showing your competition (namely LG in Korea) that they are ahead, it's sending a message, it's many things. You've never ever heard of companies doing this? Besides, how are you so sure there isn't a market in Korea where this device is being released in that does want curved displays? I'm not so sure there are, but I'm also not knocking Samsung for trying it.

It's very curious why you have a problem with this often used business model. I have to mention this again:


Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.


The day they can't or don't have the resources to do this, would be a sad day for the industry. This is true of any company, not just Samsung. Companies like Blackberry and HTC wish they had this sort of flexibility and resource.

So again, just trying to understand what specific problem you have with Samsung's business model that apparently affects you so directly. You briefly mention TouchWiz -- can they not work on TouchWiz and also work on putting out new and different devices? They're a pretty big company, no? It makes me wonder if you're just jealous -- maybe that's not the right word? -- or resentful or something about Samsung.

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Aside from the camera bulge, I actually quite like the hardware of the GS4. Software wise, its a complete mess. But the hardware is nice. I was actually a little surprised at how much I liked it.

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Actually, you know what pisses me off most about all these variants Samsung produces?

Its that they are either too stupid or don't care to take the time to figure out how to COMBINE some of these into one awesome device....

I would have loved an S4 active. But its bulkier, has a slower processor, worse camera etc....

Instead of spending all this time on producing variant after variant (choice for the sake of choice). Why not FIGURE out how to combine a few of the USEFUL variants into one great smartphone?

So, let us know the day Apple combines all these features (and ones that are still missing from today's latest iPhone) into one package.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 02:24 PM
Again, let's talk specifics Jr, cause this seems to really bother you and I still don't fully understand your sentiment. Given your past history with Samsung where you've more or less admitted you dislike Samsung just cause, I have to wonder if it's that rearing it's ugly head again or if you actually have an actual concern.

What is the issue and how is Samsung hurting you exactly (or consumers in general) by producing a more diverse portfolio of products? What does this have to do with their software, which I myself am not a fan of. You don't think they're working to improve TouchWiz? Do you think they pulled every single one of their software engineers off adding to and/or improving TouchWiz to design this one curved/flexible device?

Seriously, what is exactly this issue you keep alluding to? Last time I asked relating to this, I got an incomplete answer. I'm left still trying to understand it:





I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying I don't see any evidence of an issue here. Samsung has their problems and shortcomings, no doubt, but offering an increasingly diverse portfolio of devices that are geared toward specific niches, markets, consumers, users is not one of them. I get you prefer Apple's, in my opinion, too limited portfolio where lack of options is construed as very "focused" and "getting it right," (which is true most of the time), but this model clearly isn't the one and only way to do things, to be successful, or to make money. Look at car makers (one of probably many examples); they often design and build cars for specific niches and markets too based on country, income, class, etc.

Again, if Samsung can do this, that is, if they have the resources, why shouldn't they? Even if it's purely a marketing stunt or purely to show the world they can, if they can, why shouldn't they? It gets people talking, it's marketing, it's publicity, it's showing your competition (namely LG in Korea) that they are ahead, it's sending a message, it's many things. You've never ever heard of companies doing this? Besides, how are you so sure there isn't a market in Korea where this device is being released in that does want curved displays? I'm not so sure there are, but I'm also not knocking Samsung for trying it.

It's very curious why you have a problem with this often used business model. I have to mention this again:



The day they can't or don't have the resources to do this, would be a sad day for the industry. This is true of any company, not just Samsung. Companies like Blackberry and HTC wish they had this sort of flexibility and resource.

So again, just trying to understand what specific problem you have with Samsung's business model that apparently affects you so directly. You briefly mention TouchWiz -- can they not work on TouchWiz and also work on putting out new and different devices? They're a pretty big company, no?

You're making it sound like I'm taking some absolute, "all or nothing" approach.

I'm simply stating that, as each new variant is produced with the same crappy software, it gets a little irritating.

Read further down. I actually found a way to explain that middle quote from the other thread. Instead of spewing out variant after variant, why not try to combine a few of the really USEFUL ones into one AMAZING phone? Is it too hard?

Like I said above, Samsung isn't working to create the best smartphone possible. They are working to create the next hype product. The next "big thing".

I know they're a big company. But Apple collapsed by trying to do too much a little while back. Eventually you can't just keep creating variant upon variant and expect that you can market some odd "cool" new feature that ultimately doesn't add any benefit.

If I'm right, Samsung will feel it eventually. They're phones won't sell as well and they'll have to make a choice. Perhaps that time is coming sooner than later? The GS4 hasn't blown everyone away, sales-wise, like they claimed - and now the rumors of an early GS5 release are circulating. True or not, they'd be better served, IMO to simply focus on making the best smartphone possible. And they can do that without releasing every idea they have to the public.....in fact, I'd better they'd be better at it because they wouldn't be distracted by the countless others they're producing.

Even a company as big as Samsung has a finite limit on productivity. Too many projects, too many products and the whole starts to suffer. Give me a GS5 with top of the line specs in a waterproof/dustproof casing with noticible improvements in TouchWiz and software and I'd be a much happier Samsung customer.

You forget, I decided to put aside those reservations and biases about Samsung to actually try a GS4 out - and I do like it. I'm just still not a fan of their process because I feel like the GS4 could be quite a bit better in certain areas. And then I see all these variants - some with idiotic main features, but some with truly useful stuff and wonder "Why couldn't they put that in my GS4?"

It's not "more choice" to me....just more compromises. Now I have to decide which feature I want most, because I can't have all of them.....I can't have a complete package. Apple may not throw all kinds of features into their phones - there are some I really would like. But many of that is made up in the polish and efficiency of what they do include.

Admittedly, much of this is software based and I'm aware I could bypass a lot with ROMs and rooting and such....but that's not my thing.

Anyhow.....I'm sure that was a rambling mess....

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So, let us know the day Apple combines all these features (and ones that are still missing from today's latest iPhone) into one package.

Lol - it always comes down to this right? It's always gotta be about the fanboy war.....

It's also funny that you seem to think I'm genuinely personally affected. It seems like you think someone at Samsung did something to one of my family members....

Nah, I just don't care for their business practices for the reasons outlined. Obviously, I don't feel strongly enough to boycott their products or anything. GS4 in my hand, Samsung TV on my wall.....

For the same reasons you critique Apple, I'm critiquing Samsung here. They could be better. With all those resources, they could figure out how to merge some of these useful variants together.

Again - I want them to make the BEST smartphone they can make. Not take all their ideas and create 20 variants each based on a different idea.....

Maybe they will - maybe, for some reason, 2013 was the year of experimentation and next year we'll see a GS5 with a beastly camera, sleek profile, top of the line SoC, waterproofing and dustproofing.....etc.

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 02:31 PM
You're making it sound like I'm taking some absolute, "all or nothing" approach.

I'm simply stating that, as each new variant is produced with the same crappy software, it gets a little irritating.

Read further down. I actually found a way to explain that middle quote from the other thread. Instead of spewing out variant after variant, why not try to combine a few of the really USEFUL ones into one AMAZING phone? Is it too hard?

Like I said above, Samsung isn't working to create the best smartphone possible. They are working to create the next hype product. The next "big thing".

I know they're a big company. But Apple collapsed by trying to do too much a little while back. Eventually you can't just keep creating variant upon variant and expect that you can market some odd "cool" new feature that ultimately doesn't add any benefit.

If I'm right, Samsung will feel it eventually. They're phones won't sell as well and they'll have to make a choice. Perhaps that time is coming sooner than later? The GS4 hasn't blown everyone away, sales-wise, like they claimed - and now the rumors of an early GS5 release are circulating. True or not, they'd be better served, IMO to simply focus on making the best smartphone possible. And they can do that without releasing every idea they have to the public.....in fact, I'd better they'd be better at it because they wouldn't be distracted by the countless others they're producing.

Even a company as big as Samsung has a finite limit on productivity. Too many projects, too many products and the whole starts to suffer. Give me a GS5 with top of the line specs in a waterproof/dustproof casing with noticible improvements in TouchWiz and software and I'd be a much happier Samsung customer.

You forget, I decided to put aside those reservations and biases about Samsung to actually try a GS4 out - and I do like it. I'm just still not a fan of their process because I feel like the GS4 could be quite a bit better in certain areas. And then I see all these variants - some with idiotic main features, but some with truly useful stuff and wonder "Why couldn't they put that in my GS4?"

It's not "more choice" to me....just more compromises. Now I have to decide which feature I want most, because I can't have all of them.....I can't have a complete package. Apple may not throw all kinds of features into their phones - there are some I really would like. But many of that is made up in the polish and efficiency of what they do include.

Admittedly, much of this is software based and I'm aware I could bypass a lot with ROMs and rooting and such....but that's not my thing.

Anyhow.....I'm sure that was a rambling mess....

I agree, a company can only spread themselves so thin, and it'll be up to Samsung to manage that. For now, S4 sales or not, they seem to be able to, or they wouldn't put out a device like this (again, how do you know it won't sell well in the only market it's being released in?). HTC decided to limit their production and become more focused on few products -- that's not working out for them. How are you so sure that's the model Samsung should take as well? If anything, their success these past few years would prove otherwise.

Any company will eventually fall and/or level out after such a quick rise. How are you so sure -- and more importantly, where is the evidence? -- that it's because they're diversifying their line up? I'm asking genuinely. Like I said, I'm no business expert and if you can show me proof that links the two, I will say, right you are. You're going by conjecture and speculation... and by your preferred business model because of Apple (again, I have to point out HTC).

Lastly, where is this same sentiment for Apple to put out a "whole package" in one device? Where is your demand for Apple to put out waterproofing/dustproofing? Youre demand for Samsung just doesn't seem fair when you can turn around and find it perfectly okay for Apple to release an arguably very limited device. They haven't even offered a larger than 4" display, much less waterproofing/dustproofing. Where is the same level of "passion" for Apple to do this? And as you already know, at the very least, Samsung offers the choice for those who really need waterproofing, etc., in the Active. And a recent rumor says the S5 may offer waterproofing and dustproofing itself. Where are the rumors like this for the iPhone 6? The most anticipated thing of that device is the redesign and larger screen.

tbayrgs
Oct 11, 2013, 02:34 PM
Has Samsung ever made a decent looking smartphone? Everything they do in the mobile world is just so hideous

Well, it's not a smartphone but the new Note 10.1 is quite nice--much improved over their recent offerings, IMO.

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 02:38 PM
For the same reasons you critique Apple, I'm critiquing Samsung here. They could be better. With all those resources, they could figure out how to merge some of these useful variants together.

Again - I want them to make the BEST smartphone they can make. Not take all their ideas and create 20 variants each based on a different idea.....

Maybe they will - maybe, for some reason, 2013 was the year of experimentation and next year we'll see a GS5 with a beastly camera, sleek profile, top of the line SoC, waterproofing and dustproofing.....etc.

Sure. No one -- certainly not I -- is stopping you from criticizing Samsung. There's plenty to criticize them on and I myself partake in this. I'm merely trying to understand why and how their business model affects you so negatively. Again, show me evidence that links their diversifying portfolio is the root cause of their problems with, say, TouchWiz. I just don't get where you're drawing that link.

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Jr, I have no bone to pick with you, and, I think, I've been fairly respectful in these past few exchanges. I'm genuinely curious to understand your thought process here. That is all.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 02:43 PM
I agree, a company can only spread themselves so thin, and it'll be up to Samsung to manage that. For now, S4 sales or not, they seem to be able to, or they wouldn't. HTC decided to limit their production and become more focused on few products -- that's not working out for them. How are you so sure that's the model Samsung should take as well? If anything, their success these past few years would prove otherwise.

Samsung and HTC were in two completely different states before this year began. HTC was in trouble BEFORE focusing production (likely due to not enough focus) and simply couldn't recover.

Being an One owner, wouldn't you say they produced the better overall smartphone of the two? That's my point. I'm not 100% sure of any of this....I never claimed to have all the answers or facts. Just stating the possibilities....

Any company will eventually fall and/or level out after such a quick rise. How are you so sure -- and more importantly, where is the evidence? -- that it's because they're diversifying their line up? I'm asking genuinely. Like I said, I'm no business expert and if you can show me proof that links the two, I will say, right you are. You're going by conjecture and speculation... and by your preferred business model because of Apple (again, I have to point out HTC).

I'm NOT "so sure". All I did was point out facts and the possibilities that might be inferred from those facts. Again, Apple has nothing to do with what I'm saying here. The fact you keep wanting to drag them into this betrays your somewhat "trollish" post strategy.

Lastly, where is this same sentiment for Apple to put out a "whole package" in one device? Where is your demand for Apple to put out waterproofing/dustproofing? Youre demand for Samsung just doesn't seem fair when you can turn around and find it perfectly okay for Apple to release an arguably very limited device. They haven't even offered a larger than 4" display, much less waterproofing/dustproofing. Where is the same level of "passion" for Apple to do this? And as you already know, at the very least, Samsung offers the choice for those who really need waterproofing, etc., in the Active. And a recent rumor says the S5 may offer waterproofing and dustproofing itself. Where are the rumors like this for the iPhone 6? The most anticipated thing of that device is the redesign and larger screen.

Again - this isn't a thread about Apple. Why do you constantly have to deflect to them? Why must you try to start this fanboy war? Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with Apple. I'm simply stating my opinions, based on my experience with the GS4, the rumors surrounding GS4 sales slumps and all the variants that exist. That is all.

Perhaps I feel Apple produces a more polished product overall and can live with the lack of these features. Apple also doesn't produce variant after variant with these features.

My only point: Samsung produces variant after variant, offering consumers more "choices" which really are simply compromises and each is lacking something another variant has.

Why can't Samsung simply released THEIR BEST SMARTPHONE?

Why 15 variants that all have flaws? Why not take the best ideas they have and make a killer phone?

Why can't you answer these questions? Instead of deflecting to Apple, how about trying to address the points I make. If you can't, simply admit it and we can move on.

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Sure. No one -- certainly not I -- is stopping you from criticizing Samsung. There's plenty to criticize them on and I myself partake in this. I'm merely trying to understand why and how their business model affects you so negatively. Again, show me evidence that links their diversifying portfolio is the root cause of their problems with, say, TouchWiz. I just don't get where you're drawing that link.

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Jr, I have no bone to pick with you, and, I think, I've been fairly respectful in these past few exchanges. I'm genuinely curious to understand your thought process here. That is all.

I don't see why you're assuming there's something more that's affecting me? It's simply the idea that as a consumer, I buy a Samsung smartphone that isn't the best Samsung can produce. Even though it's their "flagship".

That's all. And I'm not saying my opinions and claims are fact. I'm simply saying that, as they release all these variants with all these "ideas", TouchWiz remains the same crap it has been. That's all I have to go on - what I see as a consumer.

Do you really not get this?

Let's say this:

I'm a chef. I make some killer gourmet meals. I invite you over for dinner one night to cook a meal. You've seen people talk about how great my rosemary fingerling potatoes are, how juicy and tender my steak is, how wonderfully I prepare my vegatable medley. Yet, when you sit down to eat, you get a plate with all of these together, but the steak is a bit dry and potatoes aren't soft enough.

You're upset because you've seen and heard what I can do with individual dishes. But when they are all put together, none of the foods comes out as well.

That's kinda the feeling I get as a Samsung consumer. I see all these ideas (some stupid, some great), but when it comes time to buy a smartphone, I have to pick. I can't have the full meal.

Why can't Samsung just make the BEST smartphone they can make?

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 02:56 PM
Samsung and HTC were in two completely different states before this year began. HTC was in trouble BEFORE focusing production (likely due to not enough focus) and simply couldn't recover.

Being an One owner, wouldn't you say they produced the better overall smartphone of the two? That's my point. I'm not 100% sure of any of this....I never claimed to have all the answers or facts. Just stating the possibilities....



I'm NOT "so sure". All I did was point out facts and the possibilities that might be inferred from those facts. Again, Apple has nothing to do with what I'm saying here. The fact you keep wanting to drag them into this betrays your somewhat "trollish" post strategy.



Again - this isn't a thread about Apple. Why do you constantly have to deflect to them? Why must you try to start this fanboy war? Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with Apple. I'm simply stating my opinions, based on my experience with the GS4, the rumors surrounding GS4 sales slumps and all the variants that exist. That is all.

Perhaps I feel Apple produces a more polished product overall and can live with the lack of these features. Apple also doesn't produce variant after variant with these features.

My only point: Samsung produces variant after variant, offering consumers more "choices" which really are simply compromises and each is lacking something another variant has.

Why can't Samsung simply released THEIR BEST SMARTPHONE?

Why 15 variants that all have flaws? Why not take the best ideas they have and make a killer phone?

Why can't you answer these questions? Instead of deflecting to Apple, how about trying to address the points I make. If you can't, simply admit it and we can move on.

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I don't see why you're assuming there's something more that's affecting me? It's simply the idea that as a consumer, I buy a Samsung smartphone that isn't the best Samsung can produce. Even though it's their "flagship".

That's all. And I'm not saying my opinions and claims are fact. I'm simply saying that, as they release all these variants with all these "ideas", TouchWiz remains the same crap it has been. That's all I have to go on - what I see as a consumer.

Do you really not get this?

Let's say this:

I'm a chef. I make some killer gourmet meals. I invite you over for dinner one night to cook a meal. You've seen people talk about how great my rosemary fingerling potatoes are, how juicy and tender my steak is, how wonderfully I prepare my vegatable medley. Yet, when you sit down to eat, you get a plate with all of these together, but the steak is a bit dry and potatoes aren't soft enough.

You're upset because you've seen and heard what I can do with individual dishes. But when they are all put together, none of the foods comes out as well.

That's kinda the feeling I get as a Samsung consumer. I see all these ideas (some stupid, some great), but when it comes time to buy a smartphone, I have to pick. I can't have the full meal.

Why can't Samsung just make the BEST smartphone they can make?

I'm not sure your analogy is serving the purpose you think it's serving. Why are the potatoes soft if everyone is saying it's good? Why is the famous steak dry if it's so famous?

And more importantly, how does this link to, in your example, a chef that offers too many different dishes? I'm sorry. I just don't get the analogy -- I sort of get it, but I don't think it's servicing you the way you want it to.

As for the second part of your analogy (the "full meal"), I'm one person and can only eat one meal at a time. Your analogy might be more apt if you were a chef cooking for many people with different tastes. Then, perhaps, you'd see why variety might be advantageous.

Anyway, kind of weird analogy in general.

Back to the point, so you're saying you have no link or evidence that points to Samsung's issues being related to their continued diversity of smartphones/devices. And it also has nothing to do with Apple despite you having clearly said you prefer Apple's model and you keep referring to Apple's model (focus on less devices) even if you're not explicitly saying Apple in your posts.

Okay, I guess.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 02:59 PM
I'm not sure your analogy is serving the purpose you think it's serving. Why are the potatoes soft if everyone is saying it's good? Why is the famous steak dry if it's so famous?

And more importantly, how does this link to, in your example, a chef that offers too many different dishes? I'm sorry. I just don't get the analogy -- I sort of get it, but I don't think it's servicing you the way you want it to.

As for the second part of your analogy (the "full meal"), I'm one person and can only eat one meal at a time. Your analogy might be more apt if you were a chef cooking for many people with different tastes. Then, perhaps, you'd see why variety might be advantageous.

Anyway, kind of weird analogy in general.

Point being - we've seen what Samsung can do, and while some of the variants are dumb, some are truly useful. Yet their flagship gets released with a few of these ideas missing. Or the variants aren't quite as good in areas as the flagship.

That was where the analogy was going.

That's my point. You're getting too hung up on the actual act of diversifying. I don't care about that, I simply care about how it affects me as a consumer.

And as a consumer, I'm forced to choose between compromises. There isn't ONE Samsung phone that is truly their best. That's what I want. I you want 15 phones that all have great ideas, but are each lacking in some area (that one of the other variants excels in), good for you I guess.....

Stop picking bits and pieces of my posts to respond to....you've avoided the main points and questions this whole time....

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 03:08 PM
Why can't Samsung just make the BEST smartphone they can make?

How am I supposed to know? I don't like their products, so I don't buy them, but never for a moment do I say they can't continue to diversify their line up or somehow think that in doing so is the root cause and/or direct link -- as you say -- for them not putting out their "best smartphone they can make".

Again, just trying to understand what your specific issues are with this particular phone they just put out in Korea, and more interestingly, how it links to their issues with the S4 or TouchWiz or whatever else you have a problem with them with. I'm just asking the questions, but not getting the answers.

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Being an One owner, wouldn't you say they produced the better overall smartphone of the two? That's my point. I'm not 100% sure of any of this....I never claimed to have all the answers or facts. Just stating the possibilities....



Yes, and that's why I bought the HTC One. (Which, btw, I'm ready to dump for a Nexus 5 -- what's that say?).

But again, I'm not the one saying that somehow, this new device they put out, is the reason why the S4 is lacking what it's lacking. You are saying that, and I'm simply asking how you're so sure of this or what's leading to that link? You first mentioned TouchWiz, and I asked, how does this device affect the sloppiness of TW? You didn't really answer it. Then you talked about waterproofing and dustproofing, etc. Okay, great, I'm all for Samsung eventually adding these features into their flagship -- sounds great, but how are you so sure the S4 didn't get this because of this curved device? Or even because of the Active? How are you so sure there weren't compromises they couldn't accept for the S4 if it had to add waterproofing/dustproofing back when they were designing it in 2012?

And you keep saying I shouldn't mention Apple, but honestly, considering you only make these demands of Samsung, I have to. You don't want me to use Apple? Okay, where are your demands for HTC or Motorola to do this? Or even LG in the Nexus 5? You seem tempted to go right back to the 5S in other threads, but didn't make a single mention of it lacking waterproofing or dustproofing. Not one that I can recall.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 03:13 PM
How am I supposed to know? I don't like their products, so I don't buy them, but never for a moment do I say they can't continue to diversify their line up or somehow think that in doing so is the root cause and/or direct link -- as you say -- for them not putting out their "best smartphone they can make".

Again, just trying to understand what your specific issues are with this particular phone they just put out in Korea, and more interestingly, how it links to their issues with the S4 or TouchWiz or whatever else you have a problem with them with. I'm just asking the questions, but not getting the answers.

I've stated it pretty clearly, though you insist on muddying the issues with absolute responses about claims I'm not making.

Stop assuming, here it is:

This phone represents yet another Galaxy variant. While I don't think this particular idea (curved glass in this form) is useful, I DO think some of the variants have genuinely useful features.

So my question is - why do they continue to release VARIANTS, based on some new idea, but crippled everywhere else instead of taking these ideas, doing internal testing and releasing a smartphone with ALL of their BEST ideas.

If you can't understand this, I'm not sure how else to put it. Again - you may be fine with new variants that showcase a new idea, but are crippled devices in other areas, but I'm not. You see choices. I see more compromises. I see a business plan that centers around marketing hype.

Its the idea that "the next big thing" is somehow better than "the most complete thing".

To take a page out of your book, if Apple released one iPhone with a great camera but slower internals, a second iPhone with fast internals but a somewhat fragile housing, a third iPhone with a waterproof/durable and sleek housing but poor camera you'd be all over them for "holding back on features" or "trying to gouge customers".

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And you keep saying I shouldn't mention Apple, but honestly, considering you only make these demands of Samsung, I have to. You don't want me to use Apple? Okay, where are your demands for HTC or Motorola to do this? Or even LG in the Nexus 5? You seem tempted to go right back to the 5S in other threads, but didn't make a single mention of it lacking waterproofing or dustproofing. Not one that I can recall.

Because this isn't a thread about any of those companies.....its about Samsung.

Apple also doesn't currently have a waterproof phone on the market. So there's not compromises because the option doesn't exist. Of course, I would love from them to make the iPhone waterproof, dustproof, scratchproof, improve the camera, add quick reply, better email attachments, offer a larger size etc....

But that's not what this thread is about. It's about Samsung. You seem to be trying to create DIRECT links between the things I'm saying. You're taking all this way too literally. See the above post. That is ALL I'm saying - you assume at your own risk.

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 03:23 PM
I've stated it pretty clearly, though you insist on muddying the issues with absolute responses about claims I'm not making.

Stop assuming, here it is:

This phone represents yet another Galaxy variant. While I don't think this particular idea (curved glass in this form) is useful, I DO think some of the variants have genuinely useful features.

So my question is - why do they continue to release VARIANTS, based on some new idea, but crippled everywhere else instead of taking these ideas, doing internal testing and releasing a smartphone with ALL of their BEST ideas.

If you can't understand this, I'm not sure how else to put it. Again - you may be fine with new variants that showcase a new idea, but are crippled devices in other areas, but I'm not. You see choices. I see more compromises. I see a business plan that centers around marketing hype.

Its the idea that "the next big thing" is somehow better than "the most complete thing".

To take a page out of your book, if Apple released one iPhone with a great camera but slower internals, a second iPhone with fast internals but a somewhat fragile housing, a third iPhone with a waterproof/durable and sleek housing but poor camera you'd be all over them for "holding back on features" or "trying to gouge customers".

I get you, but I think you're making an incredibly difficult demand of Samsung (it begs the question, where is this same demand for any other phone maker?).

You want a super phone, and maybe the technology just isn't there yet? Hey, I'd love for all that too, but maybe there are compromises not worth making. Look at the Sony Xperia Z and Z1. You got your waterproofing and dust proofing there. Have you seen how large those devices are? How thick? Have you seen the screen quality or lack thereof? Are these worth the tradeoffs? Maybe. It's up to the consume to decide. At least they can decide if they want/need to.

Your last analogy just isn't apt. Why would a better camera slow down the internals? What would the compromise there be? With water/dust proofing, there are compromises with the build and the ports (needing to be covered) etc. Those are compromises that may not be worth it in their flagship phone. Those are compromises that are made only for niche markets (those that are "Active" that need a phone that is waterproofed, etc.). Not everyone needs it.

Why would fast internals result in fragile casing? I don't get your analogy.

I'm all for a complete super phone. That day may become based on technology and trends, etc, but you're making these demands and claiming Samsung isn't doing it because of all the other devices they're putting out. You're drawing a non-sequitur by somehow implying that they're directly related and linked. I'm asking you for evidence for this and all you can offer is that it's sort of a gut feeling. And because they're not putting out this complete phone, you're criticizing their business model. Maybe putting all these features into one phone would cost too much for the end consumer. Have you seen Sony Xperia Z1 unlock prices?

Maybe many things, but for sure, you don't know that their diverse lineup is the root cause of their issues or "incompleteness" of their phone.

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Apple also doesn't currently have a waterproof phone on the market. So there's not compromises because the option doesn't exist.

And this is okay?

So, wait, let me really try to understand this... Samsung releases variant phones for niche markets that are for specific people with specific needs of different features, and they should be penalized for it because they didn't include it in one package? Instead of lauded for trying to address different markets? You can't appreciate what they're doing for those people who need a waterproof phone? You can't appreciate that at least they offer that option?

But if another company, say Apple, doesn't do this, then they're somehow "off limits" and you can't point out that they're not putting out all these features into one device. In fact, this is the preferred method because it's more focused.

Your bias is... uncomprehensible.

Again, it's saying something about Samsung's flagship is if the next thing we're expecting is waterproofing/dustproofing... versus... the next thing we're expecting from the iPhone is, for the love of god, a larger screen.

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 03:33 PM
Whatever. You've made way too many assumptions and taken too many things too literally. I couldn't respond to all of them.

I think Samsung focuses too much on coming up with the next "FIRST" instead of making the best smartphone they can make. My evidence is a vast number of variants that all compromise in areas where others excel. Also the fact that TouchWiz hasn't changed much and is still a crap-fest.

I think Samsung can do better, so I call them out. Jesus, it's hilarious that you are all over me about this. Aren't you the one who is going to save Apple with all of your criticism?

I'm done. Thanks for playing.

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 03:40 PM
I think Samsung focuses too much on coming up with the next "FIRST" instead of making the best smartphone they can make. My evidence is a vast number of variants that all compromise in areas where others excel. Also the fact that TouchWiz hasn't changed much and is still a crap-fest.

I think Samsung can do better, so I call them out. Jesus, it's hilarious that you are all over me about this. Aren't you the one who is going to save Apple with all of your criticism?

I'm done.


Jr, no one is stopping you from criticizing Samsung for whatever it is you want to criticize. Like I said in the first post I made to you, "let's talk specifics" cause I'm trying to understand you.

The evidence you refer to above is not evidence -- it's the thing I'm asking you to provide evidence for. Where is the link/evidence that says Samsung's products suffer because of their variety of devices? That is the question. It's pure conjecture to simply say, "well, because each one has specific lackings." The iPhone lacks many things -- does that mean the "focused" business model is the reason why the iPhone is lacking what it's lacking?

And furthermore, why are you criticizing Samsung for not putting everything they can do into one device without fully comprehending what compromises there could be? Again, that'd be great one day, but how are you so sure they can or how are you so sure it'll be successful? And why, in the mean time, isn't it a good thing that they're at least helping those niche markets out by still releasing variants that address their needs?

Of course Samsung could do better -- everyone can. But there is no evidence that they're not doing better because of their increasingly diverse lineup, and in particular, this curved device. I'm asking for the evidence cause if you are right, it'll be very interesting to see.

cube
Oct 11, 2013, 03:51 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5963215/watch-samsung-stress-test-its-phones-with-a-jorts+wearing-robot-ass

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 03:52 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5963215/watch-samsung-stress-test-its-phones-with-a-jorts+wearing-robot-ass

Good news for all the never-nudes out there! Guess Samsung really wants to cater to that demographic.

MacRumorUser
Oct 11, 2013, 04:21 PM
If your going to mass debate together could both Couch & JR get a room :p

onthecouchagain
Oct 11, 2013, 04:29 PM
If this leads to future devices with unbreakable screens, then this device would have done its service and Samsung would have done its part to improve the industry.

Hardly scientific, hardly a be all and end all of the future of flexible displays, but here...

The people have spoken: flexible screens are here to stay... probably: http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-people-have-spoken-flexible-screens-are-here-to-stay...-probably_id48196

Much like Samsung's S4 or Note III video demos, what phone or demo looks like this new phone? I didn't get the S4, I didn't get the Note III, and I'm not getting this curved phone, but I can respect that it's serving the industry to continue to push new things.

asleep
Oct 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
I can see gold 64G iPhone 5Ss being returned for refunds as those low self-esteem smartphoners clamber over each other to spend $1000 on their latest/greatest ego-phones. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Digital Skunk
Oct 12, 2013, 08:55 AM
The point I was making is that both LG & Samsung, both South Korean, both launching similar variations of handsets right at the same time - both in very limited quantities, expensively priced out of the range of most consumers and in only what appears to be one territory.

That to me sounds like they are releasing a product because they can, because it is good PR / Marketing rather than serving a consumer 'demand'.

So stop twisting what I was saying as a bash, it's not. It's merely an observation. end of....

Take it easy, I'm not twisting anything, your perspective is what's the problem.

If you think that's "releasing a product because they can," then I am sorry for you. Companies have been doing that for decades with every product you could imagine.

But since it's not a company you support it's just a simple tactic of, getting it to market first because we can? We aren't talking the S-Watch or whatever here, that I can understand, because there were whispers, and murmurs of this company coming out with one and so forth. Not to mention that the entire concept of a smartwatch has already been tried numerous times with lukewarm results.

But here we have Samsung developing a phone that I am sure a good deal of people have thought on, worked on, designed, and will now have to market and ship, and offer tech support to, etc. etc. for a market that traditionally has wide ranging desires when it comes to electronics (unlike most of the western world), and they are just doing it because they can . . . . because some forum junkies say so?

That's the part that I find hard to stomach. It's almost as bad as as saying Elon Musk started a company to build a niche car and price it so high and release it in a limited number just because he could, just so he could say that he was first to do it.

Jr, no one is stopping you from criticizing Samsung for whatever it is you want to criticize. Like I said in the first post I made to you, "let's talk specifics" cause I'm trying to understand you.

The evidence you refer to above is not evidence -- it's the thing I'm asking you to provide evidence for. Where is the link/evidence that says Samsung's products suffer because of their variety of devices? That is the question. It's pure conjecture to simply say, "well, because each one has specific lackings." The iPhone lacks many things -- does that mean the "focused" business model is the reason why the iPhone is lacking what it's lacking?

And furthermore, why are you criticizing Samsung for not putting everything they can do into one device without fully comprehending what compromises there could be? Again, that'd be great one day, but how are you so sure they can or how are you so sure it'll be successful? And why, in the mean time, isn't it a good thing that they're at least helping those niche markets out by still releasing variants that address their needs?

Of course Samsung could do better -- everyone can. But there is no evidence that they're not doing better because of their increasingly diverse lineup, and in particular, this curved device. I'm asking for the evidence cause if you are right, it'll be very interesting to see.

Simply put Couch, JR and others understand the need for every company to at the very least be exactly like Apple, in which case they'd be relegated to copy cats. Or be like Apple to a point, then try to do something slightly different, then be relegated to copy cats that fail at copying.

Doing something different, and breaking away from the norm . . . things Apple used to do . . . is looked down here. Stick with the status quo, and NEVER think out of the box. NEVER serve a market that has justifiable needs, and never . . . . ever do something that scoffs at the Apple model.


* side note *

Seriously, some of you guys may think I am joking, but that's just how you sound.

MacRumorUser
Oct 12, 2013, 09:01 AM
Take it easy, I'm not twisting anything, your perspective is what's the problem.

If you think that's "releasing a product because they can," then I am sorry for you. Companies have been doing that for decades with every product you could imagine.

But since it's not a company you support it's just a simple tactic of, getting it to market first because we can? .

^^^ Since when is it not a company I support when I had both the S4 and am now using a Note 3?

Its your perspective that is twisted, turning everyone's opinions into some form of attack when they are merely observations.

Digital Skunk
Oct 12, 2013, 09:02 AM
^^^ Since when is it not a company I support when I had both the S4 and am now using a Note 3?

Its your perspective that is twisted, turning everyone's opinions into some form of attack when they are merely observations.

But what you say makes no sense.

Having products is moot, when you're wrong you're wrong. I have many Apple products, but wouldn't praise Apple or put them down without some kind of factual information. Or at the very least make sure I let the reader know that it's just my opinion of something.

At the end of the day it's all conjecture anyway.

MacRumorUser
Oct 12, 2013, 09:04 AM
But what you say makes no sense.

Having products is moot, when you're wrong you're wrong. I have many Apple products, but wouldn't praise Apple or put them down without some kind of factual information. Or at the very least make sure I let the reader know that it's just my opinion of something.

What on earth has this ramble got to do with anything I have posted here ???

Digital Skunk
Oct 12, 2013, 09:07 AM
What on earth has this ramble got to do with anything I have posted here ???

Again, you need to relax. You said in your own comment that Samsung isn't serving a genuine consumer need.

Do you have proof of that?

If not then don't try to escalate the situation when someone calls you out.

MacRumorUser
Oct 12, 2013, 09:09 AM
Again, you need to relax. You said in your own comment that Samsung isn't serving a genuine consumer need.

Do you have proof of that?

If not then don't try to escalate the situation when someone calls you out.

And I gave my reasoning. The fact that it is beyond the cost for mass consumer adoption price wise and the fact it is launching in limited quantities in Korea only. That hardly sounds like some huge global or even domestic consumer demand does it?

Seriously you haven't called anyone out unless you provide contrary evidence to your assertion that invalidates another's opinion. Until then, you chill....

I've done with this discussion with you - your clearly getting kicks and I don't want to provide you with any more....

Digital Skunk
Oct 12, 2013, 09:13 AM
And I gave my reasoning. The fact that it is beyond the cost for mass consumer adoption price wise and the fact it is launching in limited quantities in Korea only. That hardly sounds like some huge global or even domestic consumer demand does it?

Seriously you haven't called anyone out unless you provide contrary evidence to your assertion that invalidates another's opinion. Until then, you chill....

I've done with this discussion with you - your clearly getting kicks and I don't want to provide you with any more....

You moved the goal post, and there is still no proof. Again, this is conjecture, which is totally fine bro.

Also, I don't have to be the bearer of proof, you're the one that brought the statement . . . with not proof attached.

As Post #76 on this page also shows, it's a very common thing around here to make claims, uphold them as something solid, and when called upon for proof, simply move the goal post or escalate.

Peterg2
Oct 12, 2013, 09:56 AM
The point I was making is that both LG & Samsung, both South Korean, both launching similar variations of handsets right at the same time - both in very limited quantities, expensively priced out of the range of most consumers and in only what appears to be one territory.

That to me sounds like they are releasing a product because they can, because it is good PR / Marketing rather than serving a consumer 'demand'.

So stop twisting what I was saying as a bash, it's not. It's merely an observation. end of....

Precisely, and Samsung and LG did exactly the same thing with their curved OLED TVs which in a 55" size has little benefit at all. CNET discussed this (re the curved TV screen) and summarized as follows:

Look, the fact that a "flat"-screen TV can be curved at all is pretty amazing. But since OLED is barely off the ground (arguably, not off the ground at all), it's disappointing to see finite resources going into something of little value beyond "hey, neato" which, also arguably, OLED inherently has already.


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57589082-221/curved-oled-hdtv-screens-are-a-bad-idea-for-now/

onthecouchagain
Oct 12, 2013, 07:53 PM
Simply put Couch, JR and others understand the need for every company to at the very least be exactly like Apple, in which case they'd be relegated to copy cats. Or be like Apple to a point, then try to do something slightly different, then be relegated to copy cats that fail at copying.

Doing something different, and breaking away from the norm . . . things Apple used to do . . . is looked down here. Stick with the status quo, and NEVER think out of the box. NEVER serve a market that has justifiable needs, and never . . . . ever do something that scoffs at the Apple model.


* side note *

Seriously, some of you guys may think I am joking, but that's just how you sound.

Yep. The worst part was this:


Apple also doesn't currently have a waterproof phone on the market. So there's not compromises because the option doesn't exist.

Somehow, Apple is excused for not living up to the same demand that he wants out of Samsung because Apple is doing less. It's such backwards thinking that it's ridiculous. We shouldn't expect more from Apple because they're doing less -- well duh. That's the issue!

Whereas, the company that is actually doing more (and more quickly) is actually being criticized for trying to address different niches and markets and needs (maybe even creating new ones, ala the Note series), and being criticized specifically because they didn't put all of those ideas into one single super device. Then also somehow linking that business model to the shortcomings (Jrz keeps bringing up TouchWiz, for example) that Samsung may or may not have without any evidence -- just a gut feeling. Again, this would be fascinating to see if there was evidence of it, something that I've asked repeatedly from him.

What's even nuttier is there clearly is a demand for a larger than 4" iPhone. So, if anyone wants to talk actual market demands, let's talk market demands; where is the greater-than-4" iPhone that so many people have expressed time and time again (increasingly, of late) that they want?

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Regarding MRU's point... It's interesting to consider.

I can actually believe Samsung putting out a device just because they can. We don't know if there is or isn't a demand yet for curved displays -- I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't.

However, I find nothing wrong with this. It's a tactic that I get especially in the field of technology where advancements are made at blazing speeds. That's why companies like Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. all display the tech they're working on at trade shows. This isn't a tactic that is brand new, many companies do publicity stunts, marketing stunts, etc. to draw attention, get people talking, and yes, even to "one-up" their competitors, to show them that, hey, LG, all that hype about your curved displays? Well, look... we just actually produced one and it's going to market.

"Going to market" is a big deal. It's a statement. And there's nothing wrong, per se, with doing this.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if Samsung can flex their muscle, if they have the resources to do it, why not? What harm comes of this? It's not even for our market (anyone here actually from Korea?). I think you agree there is little harm so these questions may be rhetorical to simply support my point.

matttye
Oct 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
Samsung: king of pointless features.

You know I've never thought 'I wish I could press down on the edge of my phone to roll it so I can see the time.'

MacRumorUser
Oct 13, 2013, 02:04 AM
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[/COLOR]Regarding MRU's point... It's interesting to consider.

I can actually believe Samsung putting out a device just because they can. We don't know if there is or isn't a demand yet for curved displays -- I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't.

However, I find nothing wrong with this. It's a tactic that I get especially in the field of technology where advancements are made at blazing speeds. That's why companies like Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. all display the tech they're working on at trade shows. This isn't a tactic that is brand new, many companies do publicity stunts, marketing stunts, etc. to draw attention, get people talking, and yes, even to "one-up" their competitors, to show them that, hey, LG, all that hype about your curved displays? Well, look... we just actually produced one and it's going to market.

"Going to market" is a big deal. It's a statement. And there's nothing wrong, per se, with doing this.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if Samsung can flex their muscle, if they have the resources to do it, why not? What harm comes of this? It's not even for our market (anyone here actually from Korea?). I think you agree there is little harm so these questions may be rhetorical to simply support my point.

Exactly my point. :)

Eth123
Oct 13, 2013, 02:57 AM
Why doesn't Samsung focus on making their high end devices actually high end i.e stop using cheap plastic and hiring designers who aren't deliberately mandated to design the ugliest phone on the market.

I seriously do not know how people buy so many Samsung phones.

This curve phone is completely pointless. Unless the curve improves viewing the screen as is keeps the eye distance equi distant then it is a complete joke and quite frankly embarrassing. Samsung haven't even confirmed any benefits provided by the curved screen which is likely to mean there isn't any.

Samsung fix touchwiz, use premium materials and actually design your handset.

To the rest of you buying Samsung phones, open your bleeding eyes.

7thson
Oct 13, 2013, 03:16 AM
Galaxy Round seems like such a ham fisted name. They could have marketed it to soccer/futball players by calling it the Galaxy Shin Guard. Or the Galaxy Brace, for whiplash victims. The Galaxy Roller. Well it actually only rocks, or wobbles, when concave side up, but it's not round either! The Galaxy Trowel, but it's missing a handle, which you can buy, as an accessory of course. It just seems like they rushed it.

ChrisTX
Oct 13, 2013, 08:08 AM
If one likes it, buy it, if one doesn't like it, don't buy it, no harm done.

But if someone doesn't like it, they believe no one else should like it either. And they can't understand why anyone would like, or want to buy it.

kdarling
Oct 13, 2013, 08:35 AM
You know I've never thought 'I wish I could press down on the edge of my phone to roll it so I can see the time.'

That's because you never had a phone you could roll before :)

Why doesn't Samsung focus on making their high end devices actually high end i.e stop using cheap plastic and hiring designers who aren't deliberately mandated to design the ugliest phone on the market.

I wouldn't put it in such a overly drama filled way, but I agree that they're not stunningly beautiful. (Personally, I always cover each phone in a case, so it doesn't matter.)

At the same time, it's amusing that materials such as aluminum are seen as "high end".

This curve phone is completely pointless.

Read back a little. People have pointed out multiple points to using a curve.

Galaxy Round seems like such a ham fisted name. They could have marketed it to soccer/futball players by calling it the Galaxy Shin Guard. Or the Galaxy Brace, for whiplash victims. The Galaxy Roller...

Ah, you mock it now, but you're going to be sorry when you're stuck out of gas in the desert, and can't find a way to use your spare can of fuel. THEN you'll wish you had the curved Samsung Funnel! ;)

matttye
Oct 13, 2013, 08:50 AM
That's because you never had a phone you could roll before :)


A rigid curved screen seems pointless to me. I thought the entire benefit of curved OLED screens would be that the entire device could be shaped and moulded to your liking.

This just doesn't seem to have a decent purpose.

kdarling
Oct 13, 2013, 09:15 AM
A rigid curved screen seems pointless to me. I thought the entire benefit of curved OLED screens would be that the entire device could be shaped and moulded to your liking.

Please see my post in another thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18100834&highlight=flexible#post18100834) on the topic of Curved vs Flexible.

This just doesn't seem to have a decent purpose.

Fits the hand better. Fits some pockets better. Fits the thumb arc better. Protects the screen glass better if dropped.

I agree it's neither earth-shattering nor must-have. But it's not useless either.

It's also a start. It's a technology demo, sort of like when Samsung did an all-LiquidMetal chassis phone.

Or if even that's not enough reason for you, just consider it a "hobby". That was excuse enough for Jobs. Not every product has to be a huge hit.

matttye
Oct 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Please see my post in another thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18100834&highlight=flexible#post18100834) on the topic of Curved vs Flexible.



Fits the hand better. Fits some pockets better. Fits the thumb arc better. Protects the screen glass better if dropped.

I agree it's neither earth-shattering nor must-have. But it's not useless either.

It's also a start. It's a technology demo, sort of like when Samsung did an all-LiquidMetal chassis phone.

Or if even that's not enough reason for you, just consider it a "hobby". That was excuse enough for Jobs. Not every product has to be a huge hit.

"Fits the hand better" is more to do with a curved back than a curved display.

I can't see how this could fit some pockets better or "fit the thumb arc better," (and if it does, it will be barely noticeable) but you have a point about it protecting the screen.

Hey look I'm all for companies trying out new things. I loved smart stay and thought it was a really intuitive and useful feature. I find myself constantly annoyed on my iPhone and iPad when reading websites or books, and the screen constantly times out.

I just don't see the benefit of this particular test. I can see the benefits of flexible but not rigid curved devices.

With a flexible device: -

- it will fit the pocket better.
- you could hang it off things or even curve the bottom to make a stand.
- you could wrap it around things.
- it will be practically damage proof. You could fling it at a wall and it should be okay.
- you could have a device with a customisable screen size, and you just fold it out to whatever size suits for a given purpose.

kdarling
Oct 13, 2013, 10:07 AM
"Fits the hand better" is more to do with a curved back than a curved display.

True.

I just don't see the benefit of this particular test. I can see the benefits of flexible but not rigid curved devices.

Mildly disagree. I have a Nexus with the (vertically) curved glass front, and it feels nice under the thumb. It's a thoughtful design touch (no pun intended).

A rigid display that curved over the top would be handy to me, as I often have my phone in my shirt pocket. I could just glance down and see who's calling, or what a vibrating alert was about. Or you could pull it just enough out of a pants pocket. Of course, a second tiny LCD display would work, too.

Neither's a big deal, though.

With a flexible device: -

- you could have a device with a customisable screen size, and you just fold it out to whatever size suits for a given purpose.

Yes, I think I would actually line up for a fold out phone-tablet :)

Cheers!

Drunken Master
Oct 14, 2013, 09:16 AM
If this leads to future devices with unbreakable screens, then this device would have done its service and Samsung would have done its part to improve the industry.

Hardly scientific, hardly a be all and end all of the future of flexible displays, but here...

The people have spoken: flexible screens are here to stay... probably: http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-people-have-spoken-flexible-screens-are-here-to-stay...-probably_id48196

Much like Samsung's S4 or Note III video demos, what phone or demo looks like this new phone? I didn't get the S4, I didn't get the Note III, and I'm not getting this curved phone, but I can respect that it's serving the industry to continue to push new things.

Give me a break.

jamezr
Oct 14, 2013, 09:29 AM
Yes, I think I would actually line up for a fold out phone-tablet :)

Cheers!

I would wait in line for a fold out phone. I will bet most of the people here would too no matter if they would admit it or not...............

spinedoc77
Oct 14, 2013, 11:12 AM
I would wait in line for a fold out phone. I will bet most of the people here would too no matter if they would admit it or not...............

THIS is what a flexible display is supposed to be. 7" tablet which folds up into a smaller phone. People talk about innovation and changes, I'll bet a fold up tablet/phone would be a HUGE market changer.

jamezr
Oct 14, 2013, 11:31 AM
THIS is what a flexible display is supposed to be. 7" tablet which folds up into a smaller phone. People talk about innovation and changes, I'll bet a fold up tablet/phone would be a HUGE market changer.
Agree with you 100%.
I want the phone from this video at the 2:50 minute mark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtedGKgQcU

spinedoc77
Oct 14, 2013, 11:42 AM
TLDR has anyone made a good point for a curved display? Is Samsung just grandstanding here to get eyes on them?

lordromanov01
Oct 14, 2013, 02:22 PM
TLDR has anyone made a good point for a curved display? Is Samsung just grandstanding here to get eyes on them?

Wasn't one of the ideas behind it that the curved screens are stronger and more shatter-proof? As they are flexible.

If this is the case, they may start using the technology even in flat phones if it means they don't break all the time. I could be completely wrong here though.

spinedoc77
Oct 14, 2013, 02:45 PM
Wasn't one of the ideas behind it that the curved screens are stronger and more shatter-proof? As they are flexible.

If this is the case, they may start using the technology even in flat phones if it means they don't break all the time. I could be completely wrong here though.

Yeah that's probably the case. But I mean the curved design itself, does it serve any useful purpose?

mclld
Oct 14, 2013, 03:54 PM
Why doesn't Samsung focus on making their high end devices actually high end i.e stop using cheap plastic and hiring designers who aren't deliberately mandated to design the ugliest phone on the market.

I seriously do not know how people buy so many Samsung phones.

This curve phone is completely pointless. Unless the curve improves viewing the screen as is keeps the eye distance equi distant then it is a complete joke and quite frankly embarrassing. Samsung haven't even confirmed any benefits provided by the curved screen which is likely to mean there isn't any.

Samsung fix touchwiz, use premium materials and actually design your handset.

To the rest of you buying Samsung phones, open your bleeding eyes.


In this thread, people think their opinions are the only thing important and everyone should think like they do!

spinedoc77
Oct 14, 2013, 03:58 PM
In this thread, people think their opinions are the only thing important and everyone should think like they do!

I'm just curious, as you took offense to someone else pretty much saying the curved glass was useless. In what way is this useful? I know it's more resistant, but that's because of the material, not because of the shape. This smacks of a phone which is highly design first, functionality last IMO.

mclld
Oct 14, 2013, 07:19 PM
I'm just curious, as you took offense to someone else pretty much saying the curved glass was useless. In what way is this useful? I know it's more resistant, but that's because of the material, not because of the shape. This smacks of a phone which is highly design first, functionality last IMO.

I took no offense to the glass being useless, I have no use for it or care about it. Seems gimmicky to me, speaking just for me.

onthecouchagain
Oct 15, 2013, 06:52 AM
Unboxing video of the Round.

Q7IaKEI_JGU

MacRumorUser
Oct 15, 2013, 07:07 AM
Unboxing video of the Round.

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IaKEI_JGU)

1 min 55 seconds in

"pretty much a product Samsung launched to prove the fact they were first company to launch a phone with a flexible display"

Digital Skunk
Oct 16, 2013, 07:19 AM
.....

I agree on both counts, but MRU's point was that Samsung and any other company that decides to make a product outside of the status quo is only making the product for press releases and there's no genuine market or consumer interest for it, which is not only false, but almost downright ignorant.

Anyone with eyes can see that both Korean companies are a big thing to a majority of that part of the world, and that phones that are larger than 4" are also an "in" thing.

So anyone with eyes and ears could deduce that at some point, probably even before the Note became a big hit, Samsung did research into finding a good feel for a phone that almost reaches iPad mini size.

As others have said, curving the device makes it feel better in the hand and in the pocket, that would be even more the case with a phone the size or a Note 2 or LG G2.

Folks claiming that it's gimmicky should look a little deeper, instead of just rushing to use catch words like "gimmicky," "laggy," etc. to define what would otherwise be a lack of thoughtful decision making.

MacRumorUser
Oct 16, 2013, 08:08 AM
I agree on both counts, but MRU's point was that Samsung and any other company that decides to make a product outside of the status quo is only making the product for press releases and there's no genuine market or consumer interest for it, which is not only false, but almost downright ignorant.
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That was NOT how i was making my point, that's how you interpreted it.

stroked
Oct 16, 2013, 10:45 AM
One would think if it was screen face down with pressure applied to the back - it would crack down the middle?

Why do we need curved phones? :confused:

I think Apple invented the curved phone.

Drunken Master
Oct 16, 2013, 12:11 PM
I agree on both counts, but MRU's point was that Samsung and any other company that decides to make a product outside of the status quo is only making the product for press releases and there's no genuine market or consumer interest for it, which is not only false, but almost downright ignorant.

Anyone with eyes can see that both Korean companies are a big thing to a majority of that part of the world, and that phones that are larger than 4" are also an "in" thing.

So anyone with eyes and ears could deduce that at some point, probably even before the Note became a big hit, Samsung did research into finding a good feel for a phone that almost reaches iPad mini size.

As others have said, curving the device makes it feel better in the hand and in the pocket, that would be even more the case with a phone the size or a Note 2 or LG G2.

Folks claiming that it's gimmicky should look a little deeper, instead of just rushing to use catch words like "gimmicky," "laggy," etc. to define what would otherwise be a lack of thoughtful decision making.

What if someone looks deeper...only to discover that it's a gimmick?

onthecouchagain
Oct 16, 2013, 12:55 PM
Samsung Galaxy Round is a prototype, will have limited production: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-Round-is-a-prototype-will-have-limited-production_id48354

Again, Samsung flexing their muscle and their resources to tell the world their progress with screens, that OLED curved displays don't need to be reserved for large TV's only.

Nothing wrong with this.

jon3543
Oct 16, 2013, 01:44 PM
I think Apple invented the curved phone.

If this were Apple, the usual cranks would already be talking about Straight-Gate.

Breaking Good
Oct 16, 2013, 03:21 PM
Good thing about Samsung they can just make whatever and if it doesnt sell then no big deal..next product! Sometimes they make good, other times not.

Many on this Forum are too young to remember that this same marketing strategy worked quite well for Sony during the 80's and well into the 90's.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2013, 10:54 AM
Why Samsung's Curved Smartphone Display Isn't Just Hype

http://gizmodo.com/why-samsungs-curved-smartphone-display-isnt-just-hype-1453993230

There is widespread misunderstanding regarding curved displays. They aren't simply a marketing gimmick as has been widely reported – we’ll show that curved screens substantially improve the display performance. In fact, curved screens are a major and very important new display technology innovation, particularly for handheld Smartphones.




Interesting article.