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chrisrosemusic1
Oct 9, 2013, 11:48 AM
So last year I got the S3 (a couple of months before the iPhone redesign) and although it was nice to have a bigger screen the irritating lag, sub par camera, poor integration with my Mac and terrible S Voice responses meant that I sold it and got the iPhone 5.

Whilst being completely underwhelmed by this years Apple releases I decided to start the hunt for an Android device once more - HTC One, S4, LG G2, Note 3 etc but found a complete bargain brand new S4 on Amazon for 402 and couldn't resist.

WOW, what a difference a year makes - using Nova this thing is ultra responsive, seriously fast, completely customisable, and just amazing. I am completely in love. S Voice concerns no longer exist and the AI is far more intelligent, Android File Transfer allows drag and drop iTunes playlists, Dropbox is providing me with a backup camera solution (+ automation in OSX = photostream compatible) and Helium provides an iCloud style device back up. It has literally destroyed any interest in iPhones in general and I haven't used my iPad since either.

Having the ability to modify the launcher, bought a minimal icon pack etc to give the phone the feel I want, mixed in with no data download caps and a far more 'open' experience is so awesome.

Yes, it's plastic, but do I care when I'm using it? No, not at all. Great, great phone.

Just my two p (cents):D

Converted.



skratch77
Oct 9, 2013, 12:00 PM
just wait till it gets official 4.3 as most are saying even more improved speed and better screen calibration

chrisrosemusic1
Oct 9, 2013, 12:06 PM
just wait till it gets official 4.3 as most are saying even more improved speed and better screen calibration

Just can't believe it took me this long to get one :)

I know it's honeymoon phase atm cos it's a new toy but it constantly surprises me.

The S View cover is functional and works brilliantly too.

cuzo
Oct 9, 2013, 12:10 PM
When using Nova launcher does the screen still display the missed calls and so forth when using that smartview case?

http://www.spigen.com/brands/samsung/galaxy/galaxy-s4/galaxy-s4-case-slim-armor-view.html

Dreamliner330
Oct 9, 2013, 12:10 PM
I just cant get over how ugly TouchWiz is. Looks like it was designed by colorblind children.

AOSP > *

KentuckyHouse
Oct 9, 2013, 12:33 PM
When using Nova launcher does the screen still display the missed calls and so forth when using that smartview case?

http://www.spigen.com/brands/samsung/galaxy/galaxy-s4/galaxy-s4-case-slim-armor-view.html

It does. Using a different launcher doesn't touch the lockscreen, so it's still the stock TouchWiz look and functionality. If you want to change the lockscreen, you'd need to use something like Widget Locker, Holo Locker, etc. That would (possibly) change the Smartview function.

Although...I know if you're using Widget Locker, you can still use the quickview thing where you wave your hand across the front of the phone and it lights up showing the time, missed calls, texts, etc. So using a third-party lockscreen app may not change it.

chrisrosemusic1
Oct 9, 2013, 02:16 PM
Yeah s view works the same regardless. Nova just gets rid of the awful Samsung home screen. Will upload a screen shot of my home screen using nova prime and the shaded icon pack from play store

kokhean
Oct 9, 2013, 03:35 PM
t's a great media device!

Sensamic
Oct 9, 2013, 03:55 PM
Funny you see so much difference between the S3 and S4.

Couldn't you install Nova on the S3? It's as fast as in your S4. Nova on the S4 is no different than on the S3 or any other phone for that matter. With Nova on my S3 there's no lag either.

Sub par camera on the S3? There's really no huge difference between last year's S3 and this year's S4.

S Voice will be updated in the S3 with the next 4.3 update. Already saw it when I installed the leaked 4.2.2 ROM on my S3.

All your problems with the S3 could have been easily solved, just like you have done in the S4. Helium is also available, etc.

Didn't Android File Transfer work with your S3? Cause I use it all the time with my iMac and have no problems transferring files both ways.

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 9, 2013, 04:08 PM
Sub par camera on the S3? There's really no huge difference between last year's S3 and this year's S4.



The S4 camera is much noticeably better than the S3. Although the S3 camera wasn't bad at all and was pretty good IMO. The S3 was just plagued with the need to tinker with the setting to get a good shot. An update has fixed it, but not completely. S4 was a great point n shoot out the box for me.

Dontazemebro
Oct 9, 2013, 07:37 PM
My S4 is back in Plano, TX at Samsung right now. It took a nose dive on the concrete pavement and busted up the screen underneath the glass (screen wasn't even scratched). It's my fault really, I should have babied it like I do my other devices but I just didn't want to mess with that beautiful screen.

It's gonna cost $200 to get fixed but I guess I'm a believer now. Can anyone recommend any cases/screen protectors that provide the best protection but with a minimal look. I hate bulky cases.

haxrnick
Oct 9, 2013, 07:44 PM
Funny you see so much difference between the S3 and S4.

Couldn't you install Nova on the S3? It's as fast as in your S4. Nova on the S4 is no different than on the S3 or any other phone for that matter. With Nova on my S3 there's no lag either.

Sub par camera on the S3? There's really no huge difference between last year's S3 and this year's S4.

S Voice will be updated in the S3 with the next 4.3 update. Already saw it when I installed the leaked 4.2.2 ROM on my S3.

All your problems with the S3 could have been easily solved, just like you have done in the S4. Helium is also available, etc.

Didn't Android File Transfer work with your S3? Cause I use it all the time with my iMac and have no problems transferring files both ways.

Was about to post the same thing. All this was available for the S3 it's just this time it seems like he actually tried Android.

Fanaticalism
Oct 9, 2013, 09:58 PM
My S4 is back in Plano, TX at Samsung right now. It took a nose dive on the concrete pavement and busted up the screen underneath the glass (screen wasn't even scratched). It's my fault really, I should have babied it like I do my other devices but I just didn't want to mess with that beautiful screen.

It's gonna cost $200 to get fixed but I guess I'm a believer now. Can anyone recommend any cases/screen protectors that provide the best protection but with a minimal look. I hate bulky cases.

Spigen Glas T Nano
Atom from Element Case but the Slim Armor from Spigen is a solid case.

Sensamic
Oct 9, 2013, 10:12 PM
The S4 camera is much noticeably better than the S3. Although the S3 camera wasn't bad at all and was pretty good IMO. The S3 was just plagued with the need to tinker with the setting to get a good shot. An update has fixed it, but not completely. S4 was a great point n shoot out the box for me.

It is better but like I said I don't see a huge improvement. I've seen comparison shots and really only see minor improvement. I had to look real close to see those improvements actually. I just don't believe this year's smartphones have improved camera quality that much compared to last year's top phones.

Was about to post the same thing. All this was available for the S3 it's just this time it seems like he actually tried Android.

Exactly. The way he solved some of his problems could have been done exactly the same way last year with the SGS3.

Dontazemebro
Oct 10, 2013, 12:16 AM
Spigen Glas T Nano
Atom from Element Case but the Slim Armor from Spigen is a solid case.

Not a fan of the Atom element case, it looks too bulky but I like the clean seamless look of the slim armor from spigen.

Do you know if the the glas T nano is the thinnest screen protector available? And how would it compare to the zagg invisible shield HD? I had the zagg on my One X+ and it held up pretty well but it did still look like I had a screen protector on. I guess I'm looking for something that's nearly invisible.

chrisrosemusic1
Oct 10, 2013, 05:14 AM
Yeah I guess I didn't delve too deeply into android because I wanted to believe ios was better. Was far more open minded this time around. Anyway, very happy with my purchase this time.

xchampx13
Oct 10, 2013, 06:09 AM
Not a fan of the Atom element case, it looks too bulky but I like the clean seamless look of the slim armor from spigen.

Do you know if the the glas T nano is the thinnest screen protector available? And how would it compare to the zagg invisible shield HD? I had the zagg on my One X+ and it held up pretty well but it did still look like I had a screen protector on. I guess I'm looking for something that's nearly invisible.

I use the Zagg with a Spigen case, you really can't tell the protector is on it if you didn't know it was there

Savor
Oct 10, 2013, 06:50 AM
Yes, it's plastic, but do I care when I'm using it? No, not at all. Great, great phone.

Just my two p (cents):D

Converted. I'm starting to realize plastic may NOT be an issue anymore but an actual benefit.

Samsung's only weakness is build quality and repetitive design language since the S3. Galaxy Win, Mega, Core, Note II, S Duos, etc all look pretty much the same. But Samsung is pretty awesome at everything else. And the plastic thing may not be such a bad thing.

My Nexus One that served me pretty well for two years is starting to get unreasonably hot where I get static electricity from it and my fingers or wrist gets numb. My HTC One can also get pretty warm sometimes. Both metal phones. Better to be safe than sorry.

We touch our phones all the time and alot of it generates heat and radiation. Plastic tends to run cooler and Samsung is known for some of the lowest SAR rating. People may hate Samsung's plastic but it may not be such an issue anymore. And Samsung is the only top OEM offering both memory expansion and replaceable battery.

S4 might be a 7/10 in looks and feel a little cheap but it is built better for the long-term.

Jibbajabba
Oct 10, 2013, 07:44 AM
just wait till it gets official 4.3 as most are saying even more improved speed and better screen calibration

I am already running the leaked test version on 4.3 - its great so far - really "snappier" ):

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When using Nova launcher does the screen still display the missed calls and so forth when using that smartview case?

http://www.spigen.com/brands/samsung/galaxy/galaxy-s4/galaxy-s4-case-slim-armor-view.html

It does. Using a different launcher doesn't touch the lockscreen, so it's still the stock TouchWiz look and functionality. If you want to change the lockscreen, you'd need to use something like Widget Locker, Holo Locker, etc. That would (possibly) change the Smartview function.

Although...I know if you're using Widget Locker, you can still use the quickview thing where you wave your hand across the front of the phone and it lights up showing the time, missed calls, texts, etc. So using a third-party lockscreen app may not change it.

Plus Nova has a free add-on which enables unread counts on icons too ..

jamezr
Oct 10, 2013, 07:47 AM
My S4 is back in Plano, TX at Samsung right now. It took a nose dive on the concrete pavement and busted up the screen underneath the glass (screen wasn't even scratched). It's my fault really, I should have babied it like I do my other devices but I just didn't want to mess with that beautiful screen.

It's gonna cost $200 to get fixed but I guess I'm a believer now. Can anyone recommend any cases/screen protectors that provide the best protection but with a minimal look. I hate bulky cases.
I don't usually use a case...but when I do I use RokForm......

http://www.rokform.com/rokbed-v3-s4-case/

KentuckyHouse
Oct 10, 2013, 07:49 AM
Plus Nova has a free add-on which enables unread counts on icons too ..

Good point. Apex also has that feature and it's very nice to have. Plus, you can change the size, shape, color, and even the position of the unread count on the icon.

Dontazemebro
Oct 10, 2013, 08:31 AM
I use the Zagg with a Spigen case, you really can't tell the protector is on it if you didn't know it was there

Sounds like I might give the zagg another go at it.

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I don't usually use a case...but when I do I use RokForm......

http://www.rokform.com/rokbed-v3-s4-case/

Dude that thing looks like a tank. :D

dontpannic
Oct 10, 2013, 09:47 AM
I've been iPhone through and through since the 3GS - thought I'd never own an Android device, and with my contract coming up for renewal I waited for the 5S announcement... and was underwhelmed.

Walked into the o2 store and renewed my contract with an S4.

I'm in love, it's an amazing phone and has some great features. I'm still currently using Touchwiz, but tested Nova, and did quite like it, but after a couple of days it would get sluggish.

Patiently waiting for 4.3 as it's supposed to be a great upgrade, but also fairly tempted to flash it as a Google Play edition device...

MacRumorUser
Oct 10, 2013, 09:56 AM
I've been iPhone through and through since the 3GS - thought I'd never own an Android device, and with my contract coming up for renewal I waited for the 5S announcement... and was underwhelmed.

Walked into the o2 store and renewed my contract with an S4.

I'm in love, it's an amazing phone and has some great features. I'm still currently using Touchwiz, but tested Nova, and did quite like it, but after a couple of days it would get sluggish.

Patiently waiting for 4.3 as it's supposed to be a great upgrade, but also fairly tempted to flash it as a Google Play edition device...

Be aware if you have latest 4.2.2 software you will have KNOX installed, and even if you flash a GE rom and then use triangle away for masking your flashing should you revert back for repair / service. The KnOX counter can not be flashed back/reset meaning they will know you have flashed / tampered with the software and your warranty will be voided.

JaySoul
Oct 10, 2013, 10:24 AM
I just cant get over how ugly TouchWiz is. Looks like it was designed by colorblind children.

AOSP > *

Misread this as "colourblind chicken" and still nodded in agreement.

Dreamliner330
Oct 10, 2013, 10:25 AM
Misread this as "colourblind chicken" and still nodded in agreement.
Epic quote is epic.

dontpannic
Oct 10, 2013, 02:16 PM
Be aware if you have latest 4.2.2 software you will have KNOX installed, and even if you flash a GE rom and then use triangle away for masking your flashing should you revert back for repair / service. The KnOX counter can not be flashed back/reset meaning they will know you have flashed / tampered with the software and your warranty will be voided.

O2 customised ROM didn't come with KNOX, I have an entry for it in all applications but I can't see it in either recovery or download mode (either 0x0 or 0x1).

Fanaticalism
Oct 10, 2013, 08:11 PM
Not a fan of the Atom element case, it looks too bulky but I like the clean seamless look of the slim armor from spigen.

Do you know if the the glas T nano is the thinnest screen protector available? And how would it compare to the zagg invisible shield HD? I had the zagg on my One X+ and it held up pretty well but it did still look like I had a screen protector on. I guess I'm looking for something that's nearly invisible.

I use the Zagg with a Spigen case, you really can't tell the protector is on it if you didn't know it was there

Believe it or not, the Element case feels more ergonomic, and slimmer because of it. The sound boost system is especially nice when holding the phone in hand.

No comparison between Zagg and glass screen protectors, especially the Spigen. The Spigen truly is a precision cut and fits so well with cases that you can't even tell it is there, if it weren't for the rim along the top. When you pair this with "naked" feel of the Spigen, it takes the cake.

The Zagg, after a month begins to show its age due to the indentations from being in your pockets, or things rubbing up against it. I've done both HD and the new Extreme,

Dontazemebro
Oct 10, 2013, 10:11 PM
Believe it or not, the Element case feels more ergonomic, and slimmer because of it. The sound boost system is especially nice when holding the phone in hand.

No comparison between Zagg and glass screen protectors, especially the Spigen. The Spigen truly is a precision cut and fits so well with cases that you can't even tell it is there, if it weren't for the rim along the top. When you pair this with "naked" feel of the Spigen, it takes the cake.

The Zagg, after a month begins to show its age due to the indentations from being in your pockets, or things rubbing up against it. I've done both HD and the new Extreme,

Hmm interesting, when you say glass screen protector you don't really mean it's made from glass?

Fanaticalism
Oct 10, 2013, 10:15 PM
Hmm interesting, when you say glass screen protector you don't really mean it's made from glass?

Yup, these are tempered glass screen protectors.

Dontazemebro
Oct 11, 2013, 08:29 AM
Yup, these are tempered glass screen protectors.

Okay thanks, I think I'll try out the glas T nano. Sounds exactly like what I'm looking for.

Giuly
Oct 11, 2013, 08:32 AM
So last year I got the S3 (a couple of months before the iPhone redesign) and although it was nice to have a bigger screen the irritating lag, sub par camera, poor integration with my Mac and terrible S Voice responses meant that I sold it and got the iPhone 5.

Whilst being completely underwhelmed by this years Apple releases I decided to start the hunt for an Android device once more - HTC One, S4, LG G2, Note 3 etc but found a complete bargain brand new S4 on Amazon for 402 and couldn't resist.

WOW, what a difference a year makes - using Nova this thing is ultra responsive, seriously fast, completely customisable, and just amazing. I am completely in love. S Voice concerns no longer exist and the AI is far more intelligent, Android File Transfer allows drag and drop iTunes playlists, Dropbox is providing me with a backup camera solution (+ automation in OSX = photostream compatible) and Helium provides an iCloud style device back up. It has literally destroyed any interest in iPhones in general and I haven't used my iPad since either.

Having the ability to modify the launcher, bought a minimal icon pack etc to give the phone the feel I want, mixed in with no data download caps and a far more 'open' experience is so awesome.

Yes, it's plastic, but do I care when I'm using it? No, not at all. Great, great phone.

Just my two p (cents):D

Converted.

And by S4 you mean the new Mercedes S-class with a 4.0 L hybrid engine? But even then I'd argue that it's physically too large.

MacRumorUser
Oct 11, 2013, 08:33 AM
Okay thanks, I think I'll try out the glas T nano. Sounds exactly like what I'm looking for.

Go for the Glas.Tr SLIM Much better :-)

jrswizzle
Oct 11, 2013, 09:41 AM
Anyone else having issues setting up iCloud email on the stock email app? It was all working fine until a couple of days ago when I stopped receiving my iCloud emails on my GS4......now, when I try to set it up I can't get past the "incoming server" settings. I've tried everything.....

Dr McKay
Oct 11, 2013, 11:09 PM
Anyone else having issues setting up iCloud email on the stock email app? It was all working fine until a couple of days ago when I stopped receiving my iCloud emails on my GS4......now, when I try to set it up I can't get past the "incoming server" settings. I've tried everything.....

I'm still getting my icloud emails fine on my Note 3, did you set it up manually or let it auto setup?

MacRumorUser
Oct 11, 2013, 11:10 PM
Anyone else having issues setting up iCloud email on the stock email app? It was all working fine until a couple of days ago when I stopped receiving my iCloud emails on my GS4......now, when I try to set it up I can't get past the "incoming server" settings. I've tried everything.....

Yeah happened to me but with outgoing server a few days back with it failing to send mail on my S4.

I couldn't fix it so ended up using Gmail to send mail, but incoming at least worked for me.

rillrill
Oct 12, 2013, 09:30 AM
so i received my S4 GE phone yesterday.

Likes: stock android is still the best. awesome screen, 5"s is great. it's light. removable battery.

Dislikes: the speakers aren't that great. the plastic is pretty slimy feeling (although a custom back plate could probably fix that), battery life doesn't seem to be much better than the nexus 4. more testing needs to be done though.

Major Issues: this phone really heats up during basic functions - download music, web browsing, phone calls, etc. - big concern.

Probably going to return it.

Alternatives - nexus 5, moto x (if unlocked on tmo), iphone 5s (last resort - ios7 will need to not make me ill).

jrswizzle
Oct 12, 2013, 04:34 PM
Yeah happened to me but with outgoing server a few days back with it failing to send mail on my S4.

I couldn't fix it so ended up using Gmail to send mail, but incoming at least worked for me.

My password had expired. Lol - got it all covered now.

rockitdog
Oct 14, 2013, 01:46 PM
so i received my S4 GE phone yesterday.

Likes: stock android is still the best. awesome screen, 5"s is great. it's light. removable battery.

Dislikes: the speakers aren't that great. the plastic is pretty slimy feeling (although a custom back plate could probably fix that), battery life doesn't seem to be much better than the nexus 4. more testing needs to be done though.

Major Issues: this phone really heats up during basic functions - download music, web browsing, phone calls, etc. - big concern.

Probably going to return it.

Alternatives - nexus 5, moto x (if unlocked on tmo), iphone 5s (last resort - ios7 will need to not make me ill).
The S4 does get extremely warm. The battery life takes an adjustment. After a few days of use it seems to level itself out a bit. I use Battery Guru by Snapdragon which helps on battery life too.

Technarchy
Oct 14, 2013, 01:56 PM
Been playing clash of clans on the S4 and it gets super hot in a way my iPhone 5 did not with the same game, and the battery drains very fast in the process.

I really hope Samsung returns to using their own silicon and high end GPU's instead of Qualcomm, like back in the hummingbird era of SOC's.

Dontazemebro
Oct 14, 2013, 02:50 PM
Been playing clash of clans on the S4 and it gets super hot in a way my iPhone 5 did not with the same game, and the battery drains very fast in the process.

I really hope Samsung returns to using their own silicon and high end GPU's instead of Qualcomm, like back in the hummingbird era of SOC's.

Interesting, at this point I'm almost ready to give up on Samsung due to the horrid customer service I've been experiencing with my damaged S4. If my issues don't get resolved I'm dumping the S4 and I plan on going with the LG G2. After looking at the G2 it is the true definition of end to end display and the screen is absolutely gorgeous.

Dontazemebro
Oct 23, 2013, 10:24 PM
Well, I ended you getting the survivor case by Griffin technology. I hate it though, but in the elements I work in, I can't afford to have less protection.

http://store.griffintechnology.com/survivor-with-belt-clip-for-samsung-galaxy-s4

rockitdog
Oct 24, 2013, 02:17 PM
Interesting, at this point I'm almost ready to give up on Samsung due to the horrid customer service I've been experiencing with my damaged S4. If my issues don't get resolved I'm dumping the S4 and I plan on going with the LG G2. After looking at the G2 it is the true definition of end to end display and the screen is absolutely gorgeous.

Don't do it! The LG is nothing more than a specs machine. The inside of the phone is full of terrible intergrated software and is completely unintuitive. Beyond a great screen, the G2 can't touch the S4.

Dontazemebro
Oct 24, 2013, 02:47 PM
Don't do it! The LG is nothing more than a specs machine. The inside of the phone is full of terrible intergrated software and is completely unintuitive. Beyond a great screen, the G2 can't touch the S4.

Don't worry, I already got the Note 3 and I'm very happy with it. :D

rockitdog
Oct 24, 2013, 02:49 PM
Don't worry, I already got the Note 3 and I'm very happy with it. :D

The note 3 makes me wish I had bigger hands. That things is a monster! :)

Dontazemebro
Oct 24, 2013, 02:54 PM
The note 3 makes me wish I had bigger hands. That things is a monster! :)

Honestly, after using it for just a week, the S4 seems smallish in comparison. Ridiculous right?

The Note 3 is a perfect fit for me.

Razeus
Oct 24, 2013, 03:52 PM
I'm approaching my 120 days with Android S4 soon (I'll have my review soon) and I'm amazed on how quickly my S4 became outdated.

How is that the iPhone 5S creams the S4 in benchmarks, yet the S4 has quad-core and 2GB of RAM compared to a dual-core, 1GB RAM iPhone? I talk about that fact in my review and it really has to do with fine tuning the software for the hardware.

In summary, I'm going back to iPhone.

gotluck
Oct 24, 2013, 03:54 PM
I'm approaching my 120 days with Android S4 soon (I'll have my review soon) and I'm amazed on how quickly my S4 became outdated.

How is that the iPhone 5S creams the S4 in benchmarks, yet the S4 has quad-core and 2GB of RAM compared to a dual-core, 1GB RAM iPhone? I talk about that fact in my review and it really has to do with fine tuning the software for the hardware.

In summary, I'm going back to iPhone.

The answer is likely touchwiz

aside from benchmarks

malih
Oct 24, 2013, 04:08 PM
I'm approaching my 120 days with Android S4 soon (I'll have my review soon) and I'm amazed on how quickly my S4 became outdated.

How is that the iPhone 5S creams the S4 in benchmarks, yet the S4 has quad-core and 2GB of RAM compared to a dual-core, 1GB RAM iPhone? I talk about that fact in my review and it really has to do with fine tuning the software for the hardware.

In summary, I'm going back to iPhone.

That's just the way it is with Android, due to the way it works the OS requires more firepower,
but the extra CPU does have its use when gaming, video editing, encoding on the phone.

That's also why I always tell friends/family not to look at specs when buying phones, I always suggest to try someone else's device, or go to the store and try the demo unit before deciding,
especially when switching from iPhone.

rockitdog
Oct 24, 2013, 04:19 PM
It's sad how many people get caught up on benchmarks. Benchmarks don't tell the story a phone delivers on a day to day basis. Android will probably never match Apple's ability to optimize it's OS with its Apps.

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I'm approaching my 120 days with Android S4 soon (I'll have my review soon) and I'm amazed on how quickly my S4 became outdated.

How is that the iPhone 5S creams the S4 in benchmarks, yet the S4 has quad-core and 2GB of RAM compared to a dual-core, 1GB RAM iPhone? I talk about that fact in my review and it really has to do with fine tuning the software for the hardware.

In summary, I'm going back to iPhone.

Can you please define outdated? Software optimization is a constant issue with Android because all of the manufacturers who have their hands in the pot. Doesn't matter what Android you have, none will compare smoothness of the iPhone.

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 24, 2013, 04:30 PM
I just don't get all this optimization talk. 99% of all apps I've installed work perfectly fine and fast on my S4.

Any app that had problems or simply wasn't compatible are few and far between, and most that didn't work were games from big companies like EA or Disney.

gotluck
Oct 24, 2013, 04:33 PM
Android will probably never match Apple's ability to optimize it's OS with its Apps.

I don't necessarily agree with this because Windows is similar to Android in this respect. It's performance is on par or greater than equivalent Macs that share similar optimization capability as iOS due to fixed hardware. Particularly with GPU's the drivers are more optimized on windows, you wouldn't think optimization and hardware freedom would go together, but GPU's on windows are a perfect example.

From what I've read, Dalvik virtual machine is the main issue. Apparently, android chose that route with hardware compatibility in mind - so you're right.

However, I can't help but think this issue will be solved with time. Or another more open ended OS will step up to the plate with equal performance to iOS (with respect to prioritizing the UI thread like iOS - which is iOS' main advantage).

rockitdog
Oct 24, 2013, 07:50 PM
I don't necessarily agree with this because Windows is similar to Android in this respect. It's performance is on par or greater than equivalent Macs that share similar optimization capability as iOS due to fixed hardware. Particularly with GPU's the drivers are more optimized on windows, you wouldn't think optimization and hardware freedom would go together, but GPU's on windows are a perfect example.

From what I've read, Dalvik virtual machine is the main issue. Apparently, android chose that route with hardware compatibility in mind - so you're right.

However, I can't help but think this issue will be solved with time. Or another more open ended OS will step up to the plate with equal performance to iOS (with respect to prioritizing the UI thread like iOS - which is iOS' main advantage).

Windows is not comparable to any other mobile operating systems it is the least dynamic. There's nothing to it. If doesn't have 1/2 the functionality of an iPhone. Easy to be fluid when you have not features or options. Basically you can move tiles around and resize them, thats really it.

gotluck
Oct 24, 2013, 08:58 PM
Windows is not comparable to any other mobile operating systems it is the least dynamic. There's nothing to it. If doesn't have 1/2 the functionality of an iPhone. Easy to be fluid when you have not features or options. Basically you can move tiles around and resize them, thats really it.

was talking about regular windows, not windows mobile/rt

Razeus
Oct 24, 2013, 09:40 PM
It's sad how many people get caught up on benchmarks. Benchmarks don't tell the story a phone delivers on a day to day basis. Android will probably never match Apple's ability to optimize it's OS with its Apps.

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Can you please define outdated? Software optimization is a constant issue with Android because all of the manufacturers who have their hands in the pot. Doesn't matter what Android you have, none will compare smoothness of the iPhone.

Outdated as in the 5S SMOKES the S4 with "lesser" hardware. And it's only been 6 months. I'm talking by a few points, I'm talking huge numbers. Plus the app quality is certainly better on iOS.

Personally, I'm finding the app quality not up to par on Android. Alot of apps are downright missing features that iOS has had for a while. And with all the app updates, they still haven't added the features. I'm convinced that alot of these app are simply "ports" and basic features to use the app at that. Twitter STILL doesn't have a tablet version of their app.

My Nike app doesn't have Path integration. My Facebook app doesn't have filters (I like my filters, hush it). Tumblr doesn't allow for uploading multiple photos as a photoset. Flickr doesn't have automatic upload. Snapseed (a Google brand) won't accept S4's photos and resizes them down to 3MP (but it will accept 8MP). Dropbox doesn't allow me to select multiple files and move them. And what's becoming the biggest deal breaker as time goes on without a fix - Instagram flatout doesn't work as it over compresses the photos which look very pixelated. Just to name a few, not including "apps" that are half-assed and supposedly coming soon (1Password, Everpix, Day One, VSCOCam, Mailbox).

Add to that: Google STILL doesn't offer a cloud backup option for the phone the way that iOS has iCloud (pretty much all I use iCloud for).

rockitdog
Oct 24, 2013, 10:56 PM
Sounds like your gripes are with the apps and not the S4 itself....

Razeus
Oct 24, 2013, 11:18 PM
Sounds like your gripes are with the apps and not the S4 itself....

Should I start my rants on the S4?