Jaguar (10.2) Movies

[arn]

This download link contains quicktime movies of OS X 10.2 (6B11). (get it while you can). Features demonstrated include:

- more Advanced Disk Copy with its own Shelf
- Contextual menus now have "Open With..." option for files
- Does not allow you to drag "locked" files to the trash
- Spring loaded folders

[Xapplimatic]

Well, the improvements look nice, but they can't be all that is improved if Apple wants people to shell out bucks for the update. Basically it looks like the final improvement needed to make OS X equitable in terms of ease of use with OS 9 (with the final adding of Spring-loaded folders, an enormous time saver for moving files around). Hopefully there are also speed optimizations so that us poor G3 saps will find a little more spring in the file requesters and window sizing as well.. If it's not possible, hey, I understand there are limits to the magic of software, but the new features, for the most part, don't look to be new or truly innovative, but more like 10.1 just trying to bring the Finder up on par features-wise and ease-wise with 9.x. Can anyone come up with a more elaborate list of definate changes from 10.1 to 10.2? Surely the developers who were seeded it for testing may have a clue. About the only speed improvement I'm aware they intend is to turn on the window buffering to default on.. but many of us have already tweeked 10.1 to do that with one system file edit or an applescript. Just what puts the Jaguar in Jaguar?

[mnm]

-A solid dock, the same as the menu bar at the top of the screen. That way non cocoa/dock aware applications won't be able to put integral parts of their windows behing the dock. At the moment the only usable place to have the dock is on the right. If it is on the left when you open a new window it opens under the dock, on the bottom it covers the resizing tab.

-Resize double arrows on each edge of windows, since they are now borderless and cannot be moved with anything other then the window bar.

-Window Shader shipped as part of the system. (colapsable window bar + more)
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12243&db=mac

-Navigatable menu's for folders, like control clicking a folder/disk in the dock, but from any folder anywhere. OS6 and 7 had a control panel that did it but it stopped working in OS8.

-Option to turn off live window resizing to stop my G4 embarassing itself trying to resize anything bigger than 600px

-Option to turn off menu fading, again embarassing my 1 year old G4

-flash 5 and shockwave 8.5.1 or later shipping as standard (and macromedia given a kick to get them running faster)

-the help button on my keyboard to work, what's all this command+? nonsence

-better security to stop you or third party installers/applications corrupting the os.

At the moment the best version of Aqua is the Aqua skin (you can find it on hotline) on OS9.2. Looks good, works fast and they way I want it too, doesn't even crash much.

PS anyone know ehy i can't change the icon on my staryup disk any more or trash anything from the root of that drive (not enough priviliges)

Also, anyone know how to make those screen grab movies?



I've already posted all these to the osx feedback section of apples site
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
Come on,go forth and get the OS to work for you.

Any more speed/functionality ideas people..........

[rottiepaws]

I hope mail.app doesn't bitch when the net connection is dropped and it tries to check the server! I did mention this to the OS X product manager in person at a MUG meeting.. hope they changed it back like it used to be!

[j763]

They're going to have to have a bit more than that to get me forking out money for an upgrade. If they brought some of the CLI-only stuff out-of-the-dark, such as the osx firewall, it might be a worthwhile upgrade. But from what's demoed in the videos- forget it.

[eyelikeart]

I think it looks good....

I could care less about the spring loaded folders....

I hope there's a speed improvement.....esp. for Classic! :p

[Unregistered]

view options for panels. ie by size, date modified, ect
close window option from dock. like with holding option or something.
more id3 tag info in the preview section of panel view. ie bit rate...
more image info in the preview section of panel view. ie image size, color space...
and while there is all this panel preview work going on how bout using Open GL to give 3D model previews. Or produce a way applications to show their own preview. This would hopefully cross over to open/save menus.
let games and other such applications that go full screen have
+option+esc force quit access. so my interface doesn't lock up when a game crashes.

ECT ECT ECT

[unclepain]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mnm

Also, anyone know how to make those screen grab movies?

MNM,

The screen grabs were done with SnapzProX. In fact, one of the JPGs included in the download folder was an error message when they tried to throw SnapzPro in the trash.

UnclePain

[unclepain]

Did anybody else notice how slowly the Finder Preview information was coming up when they switched to different JPEGs even when they turned the arrow to not show the image preview? Is it taking that long because it is still trying to draw the image preview even though you've set it to not display? I hope that gets fixed. That was like a 2 or 3 second delay before the info was updated in the Finder preview window.

[barkmonster]

I don't think the link is dead but I've had an estimated download time of 12 mins or so and then it's stopped after about 2 mins. unless the file is just being downloaded by a lot of people :D

[Jollygods]

Which app should I use to see the Jaguar movies? QT doesn't play them.

/Jollygods

[unclepain]

Originally posted by Jollygods
Which app should I use to see the Jaguar movies? QT doesn't play them.

/Jollygods

They should play in Quicktime just fine since they are quicktime movies. I didn't have any problems with them. What version of Quicktime are you using?

[mnm]

Thanks unclepain,just downloaded SnapzProX, it will be very useful for making website showreel video's.

Wish it was part of the OS thoughand a firewall.

Applications still need before converting:

Photoshop
Flash
Norton Utilities

That's it, then I'm there

[Unregistered]

I agree with j763, OS X needs to flaunt some of the power it has under the hood. I would love to see Apple implement GUI interfaces for OS Xs built in firewall and SMB capabilities (browsing shares without having to use Sharity would be nice, it slows down my shutdown time too much).

Thanks,
Aaron

[vitrector]

I can't get the movie to play, either. When i click on the link I get one download with a .tar extension. Quicktime won't touch it....
anyone any thoughts?

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by barkmonster
I don't think the link is dead but I've had an estimated download time of 12 mins or so and then it's stopped after about 2 mins. unless the file is just being downloaded by a lot of people :D

Mine took about 10 seconds... 1.1 megs.

Oh... and not being able to drag locked files to the trash is a FEATURE?!

Great...

[eyelikeart]

it took less then 1 minute to download for me.....of course that was at 7 am...

but the movies opened fine in QT.....I was running v.5 in X if that helps any of u with problems viewing....

[Unregistered]

I don't particularly care to see the preferences for spring-loaded folders. I would like to see how they actually work. How about a new capture that shows them in action?

[JOE40]

Nice Movies.
That guy moves his mouse real slow !
Nice improvements, but we need more speed for sure.
My G3/500 DV SE iMac struggles with OS X 10.1
My DP 800Mhz Quicksilver with 1.5 gig RAM does OK with 10.1.
I like it but it could be way quicker.

OS X still more stable than 9.x. That's a plus.
I wish you could tell software update to ignore certain updates (chinese, etc. permanently, with a check box or something...)

[JOE40]

Worked great in OS X 10.1

Could not playback in OS 9.2 with Quicktime 4.1.2 (Pro)

A message appears that says

"You may experience problems playing a video track in "finder_open_with.mov" because the required compressor could not be found. Would you like to close the movie or continue...
<close> or <continue>

[JOE40]

While we are on the subject of wishinf what Jaguar could do....

Is it possible to make the menubar clock display the time in standard format instead of military 24 hour format?

Right now it is 13:37 on my OS X G4 instead of 1:37 on my OS 9.2 G3 system

Maybe that will be adjustable as in OS 9 in 10.2....

[Unregistered]

The format of time display is set in the International preference panel. Click the 'time' tab, and you will see two radio buttons that allow you to set either military or 12-hour.

[serpicolugnut]

Go to International in the System Preferences...

Select the Time tab, and click on 12 hour clock...

Why this option is in International and not in Date & Time is beyond me...

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by JOE40
Nice Movies.
That guy moves his mouse real slow !
Nice improvements, but we need more speed for sure.
My G3/500 DV SE iMac struggles with OS X 10.1
My DP 800Mhz Quicksilver with 1.5 gig RAM does OK with 10.1.
I like it but it could be way quicker.

OS X still more stable than 9.x. That's a plus.
I wish you could tell software update to ignore certain updates (chinese, etc. permanently, with a check box or something...)

You can. Select one, then look around in the menues. There's an ignore update option. Also, I don't know what you're complaining about, my G3 233MHz handles 10.1 ok.

[Dephex Twin]

Originally posted by unclepain
Did anybody else notice how slowly the Finder Preview information was coming up when they switched to different JPEGs even when they turned the arrow to not show the image preview? Is it taking that long because it is still trying to draw the image preview even though you've set it to not display? I hope that gets fixed. That was like a 2 or 3 second delay before the info was updated in the Finder preview window.
That might be because he has a G3. On a G4 machine that should be quicker, I bet.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man


You can. Select one, then look around in the menues. There's an ignore update option. Also, I don't know what you're complaining about, my G3 233MHz handles 10.1 ok.

thanks for the tip on making updates inactive. that was getting kinda annoying!

and let's not get into speed flame wars. perception of speed is what everyone starts arguing about. 10.1 on a g3 233 maybe fine for you but it's not for alot of people. i know 10.1 on my 400mhz lombard isn't tolerable for me and i'll probably be retiring the laptop in the next few months as i complete my migration to os x.

[serpicolugnut]

when using SnapzPro to record video, it can seriously slowdown a system.

[Unregistered]

Gimme PDF speed! This is a joke right Apple?! OS X uses PDF as its display technology but scrolling through a PDF in Acrobat or even Preview is incredibly slow! How did that happen?! (Sure blame Adobe for Acrobat's slow performance but what about Preview? It's still tons slower than browsing the same PDF in Windows XP.)

Finder cleanup: there's still a lot of little niggling things that need to be cleaned up. Refresh could still be a little quicker. Sometimes when you "cleanup" a window, icons are still in the wrong position, sometimes cropped up near the top of the window or off the side. Like I said, little things, but things that 9 revisions of Classic took care of in the previous OS and should be cleaned up in OS X. (I mean come, this isn't Microsoft! Apple is known for paying attention to the details!)

Scheduled startup/wake and shutdown: There used to be an option in the old Energy Saver control panel where we could tell the computer to turn on or wake up at a specified time. I used to use this when I was traveling so the computer at home could retrieve my mail and I didn't have to leave it on for 2 weeks. And I know a friend who ran a Mac lab that turned itself on at 7am. I'd like to use my Mac as an alarm clock also. (This is one of those "ha ha, Windows can't do that?" kind of things that would be great to have back!)

More Energy Saver options: It's been my experience that Mac laptops under OS X automatically lose 30-40% battery time because of poorer power management. My iBook is lucky to get 2 hours now where I used to get close to 3 hours under OS 9! The same goes for my PBG4 and Lombard.

I'd also like to see Apple start exploiting OS X and Cocoa among other things. I think they've been so focused on the migration that they really haven't touted much beyond stability, memory protection, etc. They should start pushing Services and other Cocoa features. I think there's a lot of momentum in the OS X migration now and Apple could start to focus on innovating new features into OS X instead of just getting OS X up to par with OS 9. Howabout a wishlist for those features?

Finally, don't forget to send these wish list items to Apple!

[JOE40]

Thanks serpicolugnut and unregistered for that interesting INTERNATIONAL preferences tidbit. Inappropriate placement on Apple's part for sure. Very well hidden....

[JOE40]

Catfish_man

Thank you so very much.

vunderbar !

I learned 2 little tips for OSX today. Terrific !

[Unregistered]

Considering ThinkSecret is talking about 10.1.3 seeds and that's build 5Q28 not 5Bwhatever, I would presume these are earlier builds with some of the 10.2 functionality removed but the versioning unchanged. Apple pushed back 10.2 because of reliablity and perception issues. I would think we'll be getting this functionality soon and for free.

[DakotaGuy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mnm
[B]-A solid dock, the same as the menu bar at the top of the screen. That way non cocoa/dock aware applications won't be able to put integral parts of their windows behing the dock. At the moment the only usable place to have the dock is on the right. If it is on the left when you open a new window it opens under the dock, on the bottom it covers the resizing tab.

I have found that it works best for me to put my dock on the bottom and to use the "hiding" feature that way it does not cover anything and if I need it I just pull my mouse down and it appears. Anyhow just my preference.

[Unregistered]

Did anyone else notice that the menu bar appears to be missing its gray stripes in these videos?

Personally, I'm all for the change, assuming it's not just a quirk of the video codec; it makes things look a bit cleaner.

-Evan

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Did anyone else notice that the menu bar appears to be missing its gray stripes in these videos?

Personally, I'm all for the change, assuming it's not just a quirk of the video codec; it makes things look a bit cleaner.

-Evan

My friend figured out how to do that in 10.1 or later, but he can't remember how. Everything doesn't have stripes.

[Jollygods]

Hello again folks,
I've been trying to watch the jaguar-clips in QT 5.0.2 (in OS 9.2) but nothing happens... Is it me or did this happen to anyone else as well? The name of the file is "jaguar_movies.tar.gz", and that doesn't look like a QT film to me. Whatever happened to "*.mov"?

/Jollygods

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Jollygods
Hello again folks,
I've been trying to watch the jaguar-clips in QT 5.0.2 (in OS 9.2) but nothing happens... Is it me or did this happen to anyone else as well? The name of the file is "jaguar_movies.tar.gz", and that doesn't look like a QT film to me. Whatever happened to "*.mov"?

/Jollygods

That .tar.gz is the extension for a compressed Unix archive. .gz is added by GZIP, a pretty standard Unix compression tool by GNU. .tar is a Tape ARchive made by the tar command in Unix.

Long story short, the latest version of Stuffit Expander should be able to uncompress and then unarchive the file, leaving you with a folder of images and movies.

[DakotaGuy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Did anyone else notice that the menu bar appears to be missing its gray stripes in these videos?

Personally, I'm all for the change, assuming it's not just a quirk of the video codec; it makes things look a bit cleaner.

-Evan


If you look closely the stripes are still there. They show up better in the menus that are pulled down but the menu bar still has them. If you look behind the menu titles they show up just a little bit and when they demonstrate the menu bar when the titles are highlighted in the blue then you can see the stripes. Check it out for yourself! Anyhow I sorta like the stripes it kinda gives it a "classy" look. Catch you all later...

[barkmonster]

I've tired downloading the damn .gz file 35 times!!!

EVERY time it slows to a crawl after about a minute and then stops at about 200K, opening stuffit expander and obviously failing to open 'cos it hasn't downloaded the whole file.

has everyone got cable/DSL or something ?

I've only got a 56K modem but a 1Mb file shouldn't be that much trouble, I've tried Interarchy, IE, Netscape, I even tried applescript but I first tried to download it at around 12pm GMT, it's now 2am GMT and i'm still having no luck. Is there anywhere where I can get screen shots ?

By the way, It's not my connection 'cos I've had no problem downloading quite a few far larger files from download.com today. It's just getting a little bit annoying now but it does make me wonder why the file hasn't been removed yet, every other time there's been any OS X previews, they've been removed within hours.

[voicegy]

Originally posted by vitrector
I can't get the movie to play, either. When i click on the link I get one download with a .tar extension. Quicktime won't touch it....
anyone any thoughts?

The resulting .tar download is compressed. Open (uncompress) it with Stuffit Expander. Then you'll have a folder with the movies in it. :)

[Beej]

Another date/time question:

I'm in Australia, so my dates are dd/mm/yy, and that's the way it's set in the International panel. But the menu bar clock (when I click on it) displays the date mm/dd/yy. It's a pain in the ass thinking it's the 1st of the 26th :D

Can this be fixed?

[Unregistered]

The reason that people that aren't on osx are having dificulties watching the movie is because .tar is a unix encoding - ah the joys of osx. Aka you can't watch the movies in OS 9. Good night.

[Kid Red]

I was anoyed that they took a movie of the spring loaded folder prefs, but couldn't double click a fricking folder to show spring loaded folders in action. They wouldnt put in the prefs but not the functionality for that build would they?

[beatlejuice]

i know we would all like our compusters to go faster but
catfish stated that the movies deminstrated a sluggish
computer platform.

if you view the movie you can see that the mouse is also tracking
very poorly. this to me says that the movie capture or compression
or what ever is the culprit not OSX. apples new operating system
has never responded so poorly even in its beta state.

i dont think we have to worry about how slow code could affect our
lives from here on out. once apple speeds the new modern OS all the
little speed bumbs will be worked out. things wont get slower as catfish
implied. the OSX experience will only become stronger in its sophistication.

[Unregistered]

"The reason that people that aren't on osx are having dificulties watching the movie is because .tar is a unix encoding - ah the joys of osx. Aka you can't watch the movies in OS 9. Good night."

Pssst: www.aladdinsys.com

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by beatlejuice
i know we would all like our compusters to go faster but
catfish stated that the movies deminstrated a sluggish
computer platform.

if you view the movie you can see that the mouse is also tracking
very poorly. this to me says that the movie capture or compression
or what ever is the culprit not OSX. apples new operating system
has never responded so poorly even in its beta state.

i dont think we have to worry about how slow code could affect our
lives from here on out. once apple speeds the new modern OS all the
little speed bumbs will be worked out. things wont get slower as catfish
implied. the OSX experience will only become stronger in its sophistication.

the mouse looks like it's moving slowly but it looks more like it's a trackpad on a powerbook than an actual mouse. you can see how it moves a bit, stops then moves again. that's pretty consistent with trackpad usage, especially if you've got the tracking set to a slower speed.

[techX]

Here are issues I hope will be addressed in 10.1.3 or 10.2.

1. NFS Mount naming.
For whatever reason Apple seems to think that NFS mounts through "Connect to Server" should be named differently than all other network shares. Instead of naming based on the network share it is based on the host name. This creates a whole series of problems with shares being name "Hostname", "Hostname-1", and "Hostname-2". Icons don't show up correctly unless the drives are always mounted in the same order. Also, apps like iTunes don't even recognized the disk by it's name but rather NFS-003.

2. SSL in Mail.
This is a very big deal for me as many of the mail servers I connect to use SSL.

3. Correct UNIX standardized issues.
Set the hostname to something useful not localhost.
Correct sendmail to work automatically without any configuration.
Add more of the headers and libraries that are missing from Darwin.
Basically try to adhere to more of the UNIX conventions to make life easier and attract more UNIX developers, so that they don't login in and say what the hell has Apple done under the covers.

4. Get M$ to fix the crappy Java support in IE :)

5. Improve the Terminal.
It is still very slow to load and could be improved in a number of ways...

6. Fix window cleanups in Finder.

Thanks,
Bill

[irmongoose]

HEY HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!!

I got it to work in OS 9!!!!

I used DropTar and compressed it, and expanded it with Stuffit Expander....

Then a folder appeared called "jaguar_movies" and all the movies were in there!!!!!

how did dis happen?

I got no clue, but I got it to work in OS 9, and thats all that matters!!



irmongoose

[groucho]

i dont know if you guys have seen this or if this is old news, but if you want some more info on 10.2, check out: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1
btw, the pictures were removed at request from apple, so it is authentic (at least i think so...)

[Buggy]

APPLE STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY AND MAKE IT WORK WITH NETWORKS.

I need it to work with NT before I can use it!!! I don't give a damm if it has or has not stripes.

OS9 and older still work on NT why can''t their "Modern operating system"

They are losing customers by the thousands in the DTP field!

[Unregistered]

The reason that people that aren't on osx are having dificulties watching the movie is because .tar is a unix encoding - ah the joys of osx

That is an unfair criticism to apple. Every 9 out of 10 files you download will be either hqx, bin or sit, all of which applications usually cannot handle unless previously dealt with Stuffit Expander which came with both X and classic since ages. The fact that you are not used to the gz or tar extensions doesn't change the fact that it is simply as it has always been. If anyone to blame would be Aladdinsys since their Expander is the one who would have to bind that sort of files to itself. That way when downloaded the file would have the recognizable Stuffit icon and you would know it is compressed. Apple just incorporates a 3rd party decompression tool to save you from getting one, but that is a favor Apple is doing to you, it is not their program, nor a thing that would normally be demanded from an OS.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by unclepain
Did anybody else notice how slowly the Finder Preview information was coming up when they switched to different JPEGs even when they turned the arrow to not show the image preview? Is it taking that long because it is still trying to draw the image preview even though you've set it to not display? I hope that gets fixed. That was like a 2 or 3 second delay before the info was updated in the Finder preview window.

It was on a G3 with not that much RAM, and there is probably a lot of optimization of that feature that has yet to occur, so it shouldn't be that slow when it hits Software Update servers.

[j763]

i'm in the same position as beej - my date reads mm/dd/yy even though my sysprefs in both d&t and int'l say dd/mm/yy. confusing... can anyone help out with this one?

[Unregistered]

the reson why the guys computer looks l\slow in the movies is because snaps pro sucks ass and when you turn it on to recorn a screenshot moovie, it slows everuthing to **** slow, i tried it ans then threw it in the garbage, hwat we need is to figure out what those video photoashop tutorial guy, or apple is doing for theit online screenshot movies...

[Xapplimatic]

JOE40 (and all else who would like to know a secret ...) :

YOU CAN TURN OFF INDIVIDUAL UPDATES! So for all of you who are tired of being annoyed by demands to install language or printer driver updates that you won't use... DO THIS!

When in Software Update, and it presents you with a new useless update, highlight the update you don't want to see anymore and then go to the Update pulldown menu, and select "make inactive".. and POOF! It won't be presented to you anymore (unless you choose to show inactive updates later).. Annoyance begone!

[crassusad44]

Have tried the 10.2 beta on one machine (not mine). It's slow (feels like it anywayz). Spring loaded folders preferences is there, but does not work. Disc Copy is broken, and something is wrong with QuickTime. Tried 6B11. If this is the most recent build, it looks like a loooooong way to go... MWNY at best....

[Unregistered]

>hwat we need is to figure out what those video photoashop tutorial guy, or apple is doing for theit online screenshot movies...
Most likely, they're outputting the video signal from the graphics card into a scan converter which takes a signal and downsizes it into regular video (DV or otherwiwe). From that box, it's just a matter of capturing the video onto another Mac.

You need two graphics cards for this to work though (mirror the displays) or a powerbook that can render an image on a projector as well as on the screen.