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Dec 29, 2005, 01:27 PM
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maya
Dec 29, 2005, 01:28 PM
Can't wait to use it. :)

It will only be time when there is a hybrid Blue-Ray and HD-DVD burner on the market.

Same thing happened with the blue laser to burn DVD's (single and dual layer) and CD-R's.

No one can make up they mind so why not offer the consumers both in one package. ;)

grapes911
Dec 29, 2005, 01:40 PM
From what I've read, the technologies are too different to make a drive that does both and is still cost effective. We'll have to wait and see though.

Blu-ray has the potential to be 200+ GBs. That alone makes my mouth water.

neocell
Dec 29, 2005, 01:58 PM
Blu-ray has the potential to be 200+ GBs. That alone makes my mouth water.
Why not just go with holographic (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/maxell_holo_storage/). TBs baby :cool:

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 02:01 PM
Why not just go with holographic (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/maxell_holo_storage/). TBs baby :cool:

You mean HVD. That was revealed in late 2004 early 2005. It will gain acceptance when UHD is released. Right now the industry is trying to recoup the R&D costs of HD. ;) :)

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 02:04 PM
From what I've read, the technologies are too different to make a drive that does both and is still cost effective. We'll have to wait and see though.

Blu-ray has the potential to be 200+ GBs. That alone makes my mouth water.

They said the same for DVD-R and DVD+R, however we have combo burners that do DVD±R. So it's bound to happen. ;)

Stecchino
Dec 29, 2005, 03:42 PM
It would, indeed, be sweet for Apple to release some of the new computers in Januaray with Blu-Ray capabilities but I don't see that happening until there are combo DVD/Blu-Ray/CD players/burners as well as a more liquid market for media and content. (Summer 2006).

Lacero
Dec 29, 2005, 04:29 PM
Blu-ray has the potential to be 200+ GBs. That alone makes my mouth water.
In 5 years, 200+ GBs will be like yesterdays 720 KB floppies. I remember about 10 years ago, Sony unveiled a new storage format called SuperDisc. It eventually became the DVD standard, and today, I am hard pressed to fit my data onto a standard DVD. The storage capacity of DVD is ridiculously low.

If these manufacturers can get their act together, I want to be seeing 1 petabyte storage capacity, then my mouth will be drooling. In the meantime, I remain impressively unimpressed.

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 04:30 PM
It would, indeed, be sweet for Apple to release some of the new computers in Januaray with Blu-Ray capabilities but I don't see that happening until there are combo DVD/Blu-Ray/CD players/burners as well as a more liquid market for media and content. (Summer 2006).

It has never stopped Apple from introducing it first on the PowerMac line.

They did it with DVD-RAM, and they said that everyone will adopt it, however it was a flop only to be replaced with DVD-R. They made up some story about DVD+R not being great for movies so they still supported the DVD-R format. Later they decided to support both formats.

I am going to wait a year and see if Blu-Ray, HD-DVD or HVD will dominate. ;)

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 04:33 PM
In 5 years, 200+ GBs will be like yesterdays 720 KB floppies. I remember about 10 years ago, Sony unveiled a new storage format called SuperDisc. It eventually became the DVD standard, and today, I am hard pressed to fit my data onto a standard DVD. The storage capacity of DVD is ridiculously low.

If these manufacturers can get their act together, I want to be seeing 1 petabyte storage capacity, then my mouth will be drooling. In the meantime, I remain impressively unimpressed.


Then you have not heard of HVD, that supports terabytes of data on a single layer. :eek: ;)

More than ample for all your data needs even if you have UHD movies. ;)

UHD movies take up about 50-100GB for a single movie. :eek:

Blue Velvet
Dec 29, 2005, 04:35 PM
Has anybody seen BluRay blanks anywhere at all yet?

Lacero
Dec 29, 2005, 04:37 PM
UHD movies take up about 50-100GB for a single movie. :eek:
Compressed, I take it? I will settle for nothing less than uncompressed videos. My eyes, probably better than most, are very sensitive. ;)

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 04:37 PM
Has anybody seen BluRay blanks anywhere at all yet?

Japan, I believe. Since I read some news that Sony released its Blu-Ray drives in Sept 2005. :)

maya
Dec 29, 2005, 04:39 PM
Compressed, I take it? I will settle for nothing less than uncompressed videos. My eyes, probably better than most, are very sensitive. ;)


Your TV or Computer will not even display the difference. ;)

Give it some time, your eyes will age. :p

Blue Velvet
Dec 29, 2005, 04:39 PM
...My eyes, probably better than most, are very sensitive. ;)

But not your ears. Spice Girls, pssht... :p

grapes911
Dec 29, 2005, 05:24 PM
They said the same for DVD-R and DVD+R, however we have combo burners that do DVD±R. So it's bound to happen. ;)
Not true. From the begining, comapanies were trying to bridge the gap between +R and -R. They new they had a good chance of making drives that could support both. They just didn't know how long it would take and how much money it would cost. HD-DVD and Blu-ray use entirely diffent lasers and researches are pretty sure it won't be feasable to combine the two. I'm sure they are trying though.

steve_hill4
Dec 29, 2005, 06:13 PM
In 5 years, 200+ GBs will be like yesterdays 720 KB floppies. I remember about 10 years ago, Sony unveiled a new storage format called SuperDisc. It eventually became the DVD standard, and today, I am hard pressed to fit my data onto a standard DVD. The storage capacity of DVD is ridiculously low.

If these manufacturers can get their act together, I want to be seeing 1 petabyte storage capacity, then my mouth will be drooling. In the meantime, I remain impressively unimpressed.


You're sure hard to please, but it will eventually come.

You reminded me of the Sony format released for 120MB floppy discs several years back too. It tried to be backwards compatible with standard floppy discs, (another Sony format), and flopped bigtime. Sony timed it right at the point where CD burning was really starting to take off and Flash memory was also becoming popular. Perhaps with HD-DVD the ability to use similar hardware to the current DVD standard will be more of a drawback than the manufacturers backing it expect. While consumers will want the ability to play their current DVDs on the computer drives and stand alone recorders, I don't think that many will truly care what they are recording on to. They certainly don't mind so much whether it's DVD+R or DVD-R at the moment.

Of course, hybrid is the way forward all the time, if costs can be kept down.

And Lacero, no avatar anymore. May I ask why?

steve_hill4
Dec 29, 2005, 06:18 PM
Has anybody seen BluRay blanks anywhere at all yet?
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-13626/Index.html

aquajet
Dec 29, 2005, 06:29 PM
Well, I for one plan on abstaining from HD and Blu-Ray until these clowns can agree on something. This inevitable format war is no good for anybody.

grapes911
Dec 29, 2005, 06:51 PM
Well, I for one plan on abstaining from HD and Blu-Ray until these clowns can agree on something. This inevitable format war is no good for anybody.
While I am going to wait too, I disagree about a war being a bad thing. Competition forces people to come up with better, faster, and bigger drives so they can win. This is a very good thing for the consumer as long as they are willing to wait until we have a winner.