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Thomas Veil
Dec 29, 2005, 02:50 PM
Tom Delay (R-TX):
"This nation sits at a crossroads. One direction points to the higher road of the rule of law. Sometimes hard, sometimes unpleasant, this path relies on truth, justice and the rigorous application of the principle that no man is above the law. Now, the other road is the path of least resistance. This is where we start making exceptions to our laws based on poll numbers and spin control. This is when we pitch the law completely overboard when the mood fits us, when we ignore the facts in order to cover up the truth.

No man is above the law, and no man is below the law. That’s the principle that we all hold very dear in this country."

Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Ill.):
"I suggest impeachment is like beauty: apparently in the eye of the beholder. But I hold a different view. And it's not a vengeful one, it's not vindictive, and it's not craven. It's just a concern for the Constitution and a high respect for the rule of law. ... as a lawyer and a legislator for most of my very long life, I have a particular reverence for our legal system. It protects the innocent, it punishes the guilty, it defends the powerless, it guards freedom, it summons the noblest instincts of the human spirit.

The rule of law protects you and it protects me from the midnight fire on our roof or the 3 a.m. knock on our door."

James Sensenbrenner: (R-WI):
"What is on trial here is the truth and the rule of law.... I want those parents who ask me the questions, to be able to tell their children that even if you are president of the United States, if you lie when sworn "to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth," you will face the consequences of that action, even when you don't accept the responsibility for them."...

Bill Frist (R-TN):
"I will have no part in the creation of a constitutional double-standard to benefit the President. He is not above the law. If an ordinary citizen committed these crimes, he would go to jail."

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas):
"When someone is elected president, they receive the greatest gift possible from the American people, their trust. To violate that trust is to raise questions about fitness for office. My constituents often remind me that if anyone else in a position of authority -- for example, a business executive, a military officer of a professional educator -- had acted as the evidence indicates the president did, their career would be over. The rules under which President Nixon would have been tried for impeachment had he not resigned contain this statement: "The office of the president is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."Link (http://www.impeachpac.org/?q=node/111)

Of course, they said these things during the Clinton administration.

Hmm. Hmm. And double-hmm. Wonder if they still feel this way? :rolleyes:



cslewis
Dec 29, 2005, 03:08 PM
I'm guessing they'll say there are 'special circumstances' due to our war on 'terror' and that in times of emergency safety is more important than the constitution. :rolleyes:

leekohler
Dec 29, 2005, 07:49 PM
And don't forget- blow jobs are so much more offensive than killing thousands of people over a lie.

solvs
Dec 30, 2005, 12:54 AM
And don't forget- blow jobs are so much more offensive than killing thousands of people over a lie.
Not if the bj or cheating on your wife was done by a Republican. Then it's a "youthful indescretion". This is about having an (R) next to your name vs. a (D). I would hope if Clinton was spying on people without warrants, his fellow Dems would be the most pissed.

But then, liberals are allowed to criticize their own.

superbovine
Dec 30, 2005, 01:07 AM
Even if he was impeached; once it went to trail, it not like they would have the votes in the Republican controlled Senate to do anything.

solvs
Dec 30, 2005, 01:49 AM
once it went to trail
I know what I'd be singing:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=72366326&s=143441&i=72366277

;) :p

superbovine
Dec 30, 2005, 10:33 AM
I know what I'd be singing:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=72366326&s=143441&i=72366277

;) :p

bahahahah

Roger1
Dec 30, 2005, 07:30 PM
It would be interesting to see what a few high ranking Dems said about it.

solvs
Dec 30, 2005, 10:51 PM
It would be interesting to see what a few high ranking Dems said about it.
Yeah, I'll bet they're hypocrites too. But as I said, probably not as bad. I remember being pissed about the bj and the lying. In retrospect now, that seems almost quaint. At this point if someone told me Bush killed Vince Foster, I might actually almost believe it.

Thomas Veil
Jan 7, 2006, 11:18 AM
Here's (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001773188) an interesting follow-up:

...On Dec. 21, I wrote a little news story for this site about the sudden appearance of the "I" word -- impeachment, that is -- in reputable publications. The outrage over revelations about President Bush's approval of spying on Americans without a warrant was then at its height, before subsiding to its current level of what-will-they-think-of-next cynicism.

We got a lot of negative mail about that article, even though we didn't take a position on the matter, but simply pointed out that the "I" word was now being uttered in some surprising places (Barron's magazine?)....

In any case, while still not taking a position on impeachment, I thought it would be interesting to look back at how the press reacted to the Clinton Crisis of 1998. Did newspaper editorials condemn Clinton for his screwing around, and lying about it, and leave it at that, or did they come out squarely for his exit from office?

What follows, from an Associated Press rundown on September 15, 1998, is a long list of newspapers that "called for President Clinton's resignation." AP added that some of those listed "did so before the release of Kenneth Starr's report on Sept. 11."...

NATIONAL:
USA Today

ALABAMA:
The Mobile Register
Montgomery Advertiser

ARIZONA:
Tucson Citizen

CALIFORNIA:
San Jose Mercury News
The Orange County Register
The North (San Diego) County Times
The Record, Stockton

COLORADO:
The Denver Post

CONNECTICUT:
The Day of New London
Norwich Bulletin

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
The Washington Times

FLORIDA:
The Orlando Sentinel
The Tampa Tribune

GEORGIA:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Augusta Chronicle

ILLINOIS:
Chicago Tribune

INDIANA:
The Indianapolis Star
Chronicle-Tribune of Marion
South Bend Tribune
The Times of Northwest Indiana

IOWA:
The Des Moines Register

KANSAS:
The Topeka Capital-Journal

LOUISIANA:
The Times-Picayune of New Orleans
The News-Star, Monroe

MICHIGAN:
The Grand Rapids Press
Detroit Free Press

MINNESOTA:
Post-Bulletin of Rochester

MISSISSIPPI:
Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal, Tupelo

MISSOURI:
Jefferson City News-Tribune

NEBRASKA:
Lincoln Journal Star

NEVADA:
Reno Gazette-Journal

NEW JERSEY
The Trentonian, Trenton

NEW MEXICO:
Albuquerque Journal
The Santa Fe New Mexican

NEW YORK:
Sunday Freeman of Kingston
Utica Observer-Dispatch

NORTH CAROLINA:
The Herald-Sun of Durham
Winston-Salem Journal

OHIO:
The Repository, Canton
The Cincinnati Enquirer
The Cincinnati Post

OKLAHOMA:
The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City
Tulsa World

OREGON:
Statesman Journal, Salem

PENNSYLVANIA:
The Philadelphia Inquirer
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

SOUTH CAROLINA:
The State, Columbia

SOUTH DAKOTA:
Argus Leader, Sioux Falls

TEXAS:
San Antonio Express-News
El Paso Times

UTAH:
Standard-Examiner, Ogden
The Spectrum, St. George
The Salt Lake Tribune, Salt Lake City
Deseret News, Salt Lake City

VIRGINIA:
Daily Press of Newport News

WASHINGTON:
The Seattle Times

WISCONSIN:
The Post-Crescent, Appleton
The Journal Times, Racine Hmm, hmm and double-hmm.

Do you know of any paper that's called for the resignation of George W. Bush?

mactastic
Jan 7, 2006, 11:32 AM
Well obviously someone getting a blowjob is MUCH worse than illegally spying on American citizens!

That's theliberalmedia for you.

iGary
Jan 7, 2006, 11:36 AM
And don't forget- blow jobs are so much more offensive than killing thousands of people over a lie.

He lied under oath. That is what he was being impeached for.

mactastic
Jan 7, 2006, 11:48 AM
He lied under oath. That is what he was being impeached for.
Right, he lied under oath about a blowjob. Might you not do the same thing? Although I'm sure you have better taste than horse-faced women... ;)

Now ask yourself if you would lie about the reasons for war, or for spying on Americans?

katchow
Jan 7, 2006, 11:50 AM
He lied under oath. That is what he was being impeached for.

true enough. If only we had gone after JFK with as much conviction.

iGary
Jan 7, 2006, 12:00 PM
Right, he lied under oath about a blowjob. Might you not do the same thing? Although I'm sure you have better taste than horse-faced women... ;)

Now ask yourself if you would lie about the reasons for war, or for spying on Americans?

Of course I would. :D

Just saying that the act is not what he was impeached for.

mj_1903
Jan 7, 2006, 06:24 PM
Of course I would. :D

Just saying that the act is not what he was impeached for.

The act was personal and should never have been brought to the media's attention like it was.

I think an official committee should be set up to work out of P. Bush should be impeached. What he did was against the law and no one is above the law, especially someone who should know more about it than everyone else.