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MacRumors
Jul 18, 2001, 08:04 AM
Steve Jobs Keynote Speech (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwny01/):

- Discusses the new Retail stores. 4 more in August. 25 by end of the year.
- Video of Retail Store

MrMacMan
Jul 18, 2001, 08:06 AM
YAY KEYNOTE HAS STARTED!!!!!

jMc
Jul 18, 2001, 08:14 AM
that's all we wanna know...

MrMacMan
Jul 18, 2001, 08:18 AM
Same old...

MrMacMan
Jul 18, 2001, 08:34 AM
Ya, and new way to run the Os 9!!! Virtual PC for Os 10

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 08:43 AM
All the apps look very impressive...

arn

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 08:52 AM
I think Microsoft owes us a final version of IE 5 for X. I wonder if that'll happen today.

MrMacMan
Jul 18, 2001, 09:02 AM
10.1 RULES

mymemory
Jul 18, 2001, 09:07 AM
I would skip the first day speach, every topic sound so boring, besides, the quicktime option of the apple site doesn't work. I'm under a DSL connection and I can't get anything. Mmmm, got to work.

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:16 AM
10.1 September?

Welp, it looks like I'll be 9.1ing it for a while (9.2?)

let's face it, 10.0.4 is unusably slow and its DHCP support is even slopier than 9.1's.

Oh well.

gandalf55
Jul 18, 2001, 09:25 AM
1.7Ghz Pentium 4 just sucked the pipe with Cleaner 5... omg.

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:26 AM
What do you mean?

gandalf55
Jul 18, 2001, 09:29 AM
the 1.7Ghz Pentium 4 just got SMOKED by the G4... Apple should use this stuff in it's advertising somehow beyond the regular line chart stuff...

G4 is 80% faster...

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:31 AM
darn, and i'm missing it. why do i hafta sit behind a firewall.

gandalf55
Jul 18, 2001, 09:32 AM
change your streaming transport to Http...

zoint
Jul 18, 2001, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Same old...


I can't believe the imac is the same old. Too bad I own stock in the company. Watch it drop.

hampsoc
Jul 18, 2001, 09:35 AM
hasn't finished yet.
But I don't like the Silver whatsit.

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:35 AM
nope, i've tried everything.

when it comes to ethernet and streaming, there is no logic whatsoever.

mrvollmer
Jul 18, 2001, 09:39 AM
What is Apple thinking.... They had to update the iMac this time. They are blowing it big time.

Pants
Jul 18, 2001, 09:41 AM
its over for me.

I can see no positive in this.

no new imacs - nothing even vaguely tempting. OSX - yet more wait....no one buys a computer now for use in 3 months, so why should us apple users.

A LAME g4 makeover - was it really much of a makeover? I was REALLy hoping those shots were fakes, but obviously not. Has Ives been on holiday?

and seriously - say what you like, but 867 mhz for what will be over 2000 uk pounds will not cut it for me. dual 800 mhz? great. but HOW much?? I have no desire for a 1 hour dvd burner - Im not sure many of us do at the moment - not unless we are secretley all home pornograhers - theres only so many holiday movies a person needs.....and for this money Id expect a gf3 not an old bargain bucket gf2.

And oh no - ANOTHER g4 v p4 demo - but this is even worse - theres not even photoshop to use! A p4 smoker? oh..purlease! :mad:

Im sorry , but AAPL has been taking tiny technological steps in the last few years - I was prepared to buy its products at a premium for its innovative design. It has a potentially GREAT OS, but its hamstrung by some truly unispiring and damned expensive kit.

Jul 18, 2001, 09:45 AM
where are the lcd iMacs? how stupid can they get?

hwy101
Jul 18, 2001, 09:49 AM
Arrrrrrrrrgh! My quicktime paused out right when Steve was getting ready to announce shipping dates for the new G4's -- and you haven't posted them online yet! I'm dying here --

Throw me a bone!

When is the Dual 800 shipping?

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 09:49 AM
watch what you ask for..

no one really wants realistic LCD imacs...

everyone wants $999 LCD imacs. I bet if Apple released a $1700 LCD imac, people would be bitching up a storm.

arn

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 09:50 AM
duals in August. (main page should be updated).

arn

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:51 AM
Okay, so far everything has sucked to high heaven, but the keynote's not over. Steve's gotta have some kind of rabbit in his hat.

i_roma
Jul 18, 2001, 09:51 AM
hi,
i dont know y u guys want every thing in the Ny expo , cause i think they do have a keynote in october, i'm not sure.
so i do think they will introduce more new cool stuff later on,,,,

thank u

gandalf55
Jul 18, 2001, 09:51 AM
agreed - this keynote & rollout is not what i had hoped for... perhaps the other stuff is slightly too far off... and they didn't want to keep rolling things out which were almost ready. I thought they would have hit 1Ghz, and not have to hear about all the same crap we heard at the last keynote.

the superdrive thing is cool, but it's nothing new to anyone is it?

When will we see something beyond a 133Mhz Board?

webboy
Jul 18, 2001, 09:51 AM
Apple's site is updated.

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:52 AM
good point arn.

Pants
Jul 18, 2001, 09:55 AM
I can get a lcd 14" monitor for 200 quid in Pc world down the road from me..... seeing as apple effectively OWN the firm that makes them, how much extra would an LCD imac cost?

Apple is rapidly becoming teh vapourware provider of hardware - its alway "tomorrow" and tomorrow never quite arrives. Im really sad, as I have 2000 quid to spend on a new machine - not a small amount in my book - and have been loyal to apple for 15 years. I can go get that 1.7 P4 for almost half that, but id struggle to get anything halfway decent from apple and certainly not get a screen too.

Guest
Jul 18, 2001, 09:55 AM
Apple Germany told us right now, there is one more BIG thing to come (not iDVD!) ...

;)

webboy
Jul 18, 2001, 09:55 AM
Oh man, if iDVD is it - the "one more thing" - I think a ton of people are going to be unimpressed. I'm not too impressed thus far; the new G4 Tower is nice but not anything revolutionary, I feel. The iMac? Well, we'll see how it works out... but man.

jefferr29
Jul 18, 2001, 09:57 AM
apple store is back up

rattatosk
Jul 18, 2001, 09:58 AM
Is this all ???

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 09:58 AM
Why don't you just get that 200 display and a new G4. It'll be faster than an LCD iMac anywho.

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 09:59 AM
To the person saying they can get cheap LCDs...

Go back and tell me how much you can get a crappy 15" CRT for?

I bet less than the LCD.

arn

JohnSmith
Jul 18, 2001, 09:59 AM
I don't see the need for all the secrecy surrounding these announcements. None of it is earth shattering or what I'd call innovative. No, I'm not a shill, but I refuse to seem excited over new CPUs. Windows users get new CPUs almost every week.

rattatosk
Jul 18, 2001, 09:59 AM
This is really..disappointing...

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 10:02 AM
Check this...

you can get:

Dual 800mhz
128mb RAM
40gig HD
NVidia GForce 3
CD-RW drive

$2949.00

Not too bad. Add $50 for more ram... and you're good to go.

arn

Pants
Jul 18, 2001, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by arn
To the person saying they can get cheap LCDs...

Go back and tell me how much you can get a crappy 15" CRT for?

I bet less than the LCD.

arn



yes , as you well know, you can get a cheaper 'crappy' CRT, but lets be honest, maybe apple could have pushed the boat out a little? They havent managed it on teh design front, or on osX - so where is the value in paying well over the odds? Are you really satisfied with this little lot? not even a tad disappointed?

I AM an apple fan - but seriously, I'd like some of apples senior execs to occassionaly come out of their own media distortion field. Or are Apple really just interested in merely supplying expensive desktop boxes for ma and pa?

zoint
Jul 18, 2001, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by rattatosk
This is really..disappointing...

Double sigh: I am so diappointed you have no idea. I turned off the keynote and am going back to work. (My kids have been begging me to buy a PC. I have not. But this is ridiculous. I hope Apple takes a look at some of these comments. I have been a faithful Apple fan since the 1980s and I've about had it. I wish I wasn't saying this. The lack of a radical revise for the iMac line did it for me.

zoint

webboy
Jul 18, 2001, 10:11 AM
Okay, you can move me to the "officially disappointed" column now. Thanks.

I'm glad I got my Cube. :)

hampsoc
Jul 18, 2001, 10:13 AM
Looks like I won't be trading in my iMac, or my G4. We all expected more than this.

haha!
Jul 18, 2001, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by arn

Check this...

you can get:

Dual 800mhz
128mb RAM
40gig HD
NVidia GForce 3
CD-RW drive

$2949.00

Not too bad. Add $50 for more ram... and you're good to go.

arn

you'll be lucky to get extra ram from apple for 50 quid!

that lot is over 3100 on the Apple uk site! jeez!!! talk about daylight robbery!!!!

Sigh
Jul 18, 2001, 10:14 AM
That was probably the most anticlimactic MacWorld keynote I've ever seen.

The "one more thing" was iDVD 2? Give me a break.

10.1 looks promising, but too bad it's still 2 months away.

Oh well!

Djk515
Jul 18, 2001, 10:15 AM
Talk about disappointment.

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 10:15 AM
Well... personally, I don't have much personal interest in the iMac line... in only that it helps Apple's sales/market pentrance - I do have an interest in it. For that reason, I personally don't think an LCD image is the way to go.

There reason I mention that you can get a CRT cheaper is this: Let's say Apple manages to cut costs and fit an LCD iMac at the $1200 or even $999 price range. You know what that means? That means they could produce a CRT imac for even less. A cheaper iMac rather than an LCD, I feel, would sell more computers. But, that's just my personal opinion.

As for G4 Towers. As good as to be expected. The whole Motorola PPC scene is VERY disappointing. HOWEVER... this is probably the LARGEST leap Apple has made MHZ wise. Apple introduced the 733mhz G4 in January. 6 months ago. It was the top end. Now it's the low end. This is an enourmous jump - and I don't think it's been done before. Now- that being said - it _had_ to be done. With the rate/prices of AMD's... Apple couldn't have done less.

arn

webboy
Jul 18, 2001, 10:20 AM
AAPL is down about 15% too. Yikes.

greenplasticcup
Jul 18, 2001, 10:21 AM
Let it go man. Sure, we are apple faithful and we want our technology contemporary.

In the past seven months we have seen a TON of new stuff: TiBook, new G4 tower, the new iBook, Apple Stores, iTunes, iDVD, Super drive, 5 Slots, CDRW Standard, GeForce 2(3) standard, OS X for cryin out loud, and you are whining that apple doesn't have enough new for you!?

Heck, I'm bummed too, Not a lot of hardware wows this round. But oh yeah, I'm going to bail on apple now? No!

Especially not with a ton of new apps for X.

Apple doesn't owe it to me to produce LCD iMacs. Sure it would be nice. You guys claim to be mac faithful since the 80's. That's great. So you have seen more despairing times than these. Think of 1996, trouble in the corporate, the latest and greatest was the powermac 7200, everyting was beige, we had to stand firm that apple was great and it wasn't going to die.

just my two cents.

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 10:21 AM
I'm stunned.

Steve Jobs: Apologist.

Our Emporer was completely starkers.

iDVD. Ha!

I sat through a two hour Apple advert waiting for something new and....

At the end he tried to make us feel guilty about how hard they've worked.

Big things coming he said.

So lets not buy anything til then eh?

Not until 10.1 at least.

The "new" Apple iMac page is pushing Tomb Raider as a high end 3D game fer chrissakes! It's up to you. Mid-range PC with HALO or an iMac with Tomb Raider.

Damn!

I was so close to buying a PC and now I am soooo far from buying a Mac. Rage 128. Damn!

Only MX2 in the towers. Hahahahaaaaaaaarrrghh....

I hope they don't make it as far as the next quarter. There's going to be a lot of available Apple shares today.

No wonder he only got three hours sleep.

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 10:24 AM
He blew it by releasing the iBook a few months ago. Should have waited....

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 10:26 AM
Don't come here with the voice of reason. ;)

This is for emotional people....


Sob.

mrvollmer
Jul 18, 2001, 10:30 AM
I might have to go buy a PC again. I left the Windows world two years ago and fell in love with a Mac. BUt that love affair is dying.

Same old iMac
Wow new case for the G4... But still, less then half the speed of a P4 (I really don't care about the P4 vs G4 comparison, Intel and AMD are pulling away every month. THe gap is way too big. --Apple DUMP motorola already!))

iBook bus is still to slow to run OS X.

And OS x is still too slow to run on anything!!!!!

Still can't burn DVD on iMacs.. (I know you need a G4, but come on.) iMac is supposed to be hub of digital lifestyle. I've got my digital camera, make great movies with iMovie, and have to record them back on my DV camera. Not fun...! Why do I have to

pooped!
Jul 18, 2001, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by greenplasticcup
Let it go man. Sure, we are apple faithful and we want our technology contemporary.

In the past seven months we have seen a TON of new stuff: TiBook, new G4 tower, the new iBook, Apple Stores, iTunes, iDVD, Super drive, 5 Slots, CDRW Standard, GeForce 2(3) standard, OS X for cryin out loud, and you are whining that apple doesn't have enough new for you!?

Heck, I'm bummed too, Not a lot of hardware wows this round. But oh yeah, I'm going to bail on apple now? No!

Especially not with a ton of new apps for X.

Apple doesn't owe it to me to produce LCD iMacs. Sure it would be nice. You guys claim to be mac faithful since the 80's. That's great. So you have seen more despairing times than these. Think of 1996, trouble in the corporate, the latest and greatest was the powermac 7200, everyting was beige, we had to stand firm that apple was great and it wasn't going to die.

just my two cents.



Apple were late to teh show with CD-rw , they were the ones that got burned there, not the cds! iTunes wasnt even Apples , it was merely rebranded. GF2 - its a strangled 80 quid vid card - its not even a FULL gf2! new apps for osX? BUT WHEN???!! Apple Store?? big deal - where are they outside teh US???!! or is this the only market that matters to Apple?


really, apple have bummed out on this - I pity all those re-sellers....

greenplasticcup
Jul 18, 2001, 10:37 AM
did you actually pay attention to the keynote?

Sure buy a pentium 1.8GHz. Can you burn a dvd on them? And record from your dvcamera? For the same price?

For crying out loud. You want to pay 1,000 bucks for an imac and you want something that's faster than the fastest PC and burn dvd's? Are you nuts?

Oh grand, the AMD and Pentium is pulling away very quickly, but the G4 destroys the pentium in speed. Good luck Pentium! And good luck you converts, we'll see you later, probably in six months or so when you realize it's not faster, burning dvd's is very expensive, and it ends up costing more in the long run.

menoinjun
Jul 18, 2001, 10:39 AM
Dammit people!! Who cares if this wasn't the Macworld to end all Macworlds!! You know who's fault that is? OURS!!!! We built this up with rumors of LCD iMacs, completely new G4 towers, Powerbook revisions, OS X.1...the list goes on!! How much do you really expect to happen in just a couple of months. I see this Macworld as the last step until the biggie. Next time there will be something big. I think that you are all spoiled for being upset that we dont have LCD iMacs that can burn DVD's and operate at 800mhz for $999. That might not be possible for a year!! Take what we got: New OS X coming in two months, nice looking G4 towers with a cool new graphics option, faster iMacs for a decent price, and the promise that more is to come. That satisfy's me, and for all of you who say "I'm switching back to PC"...GO AHEAD. Screw you!! I know that in two months you'll be back when your computer is crashing all the time and nothing works right with Windows XP. I'll be here laughing...mark my words.

-Pete

Pissed Off
Jul 18, 2001, 10:41 AM
All you people on this site who said there was going to be LCD iMACS, DDR-Ram, 200 MHZ G4s, even a Handheld = you are a bunch of losers. You all SWORE that Apple was going to blow us away - hey guess what? You were talking out of your ****ing *******. ****ing losers. Get a life.

Xistor
Jul 18, 2001, 10:41 AM
The keynote had basicly two things to present... Faster, cheaper desktops which DESTROY Pentiums on speed, and OS X is improving rapidly both in speed and number of titles.




Power Mac 867 totally SMOKED a Pentium 4 at 1.7Ghz!
It did an Mpeg encoding under Media Cleaner at over 2x the speed of the Pentium!! (Now, swap that to a dual 800 Mhz and watch that Pentium explode in embarassment!)

The Dual 800 can even encode and burn a DVD in 1x (read: REAL TIME encoding).. OUCH!

iMacs up to 700 Mhz.. very nice.

The 10.1 demo looked really good. Looks like speeds are up dramaticly in menus, resizing, and app loading! IE loaded in <1 icon bounce! The vendors are saying some of their top apps will load faster under 10 than under 9 now!

DVD playback is impletemented, nice looking controls.

DVD burning now available in OS 10.1, under iDVD2.

CD burning in the Finder... blah blah blah..

Looks like by September when 10.1 ships, the promise of OS X will finally be delivered in full!

Oh ya, the cheesy plastic-look case of the Power Mac has been replaced with something more metallic and aircraft looking, and thank gawd the flower power silliness is also gone from the iMacs, back to Blue, Graphite, and Snow.

Looks like the flatpanel iMac and any other new products like a PDA will be held off for the next show. That will be a doozy.

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 10:43 AM
I think that this has been an excellent learning experience for us all. I walked into this one looking forward to a LCD iMac and a overhauled G4, and I was left very dissappointed.

I would argue that this was the most heavily rumored Macworld to date. So rumored, in fact, that it rubbed off on wall street and the morons in the non-tech press.

The fact is, we just got a new portable, so that combined with a slightly changed PowerMac isn't too bad. We came to this Macworld with our heads in the clouds, but Steve was still on the ground with reality.

digitalrampage
Jul 18, 2001, 10:43 AM
That would have to be the most over anticipated event of the year.

OK, The only good thing is the G4 new enclosure that still UNDER DELIVERS.. Same old single 3.5 inch Expansion bay.

There was no upgrade to most configs, graphics cards havn't moved..

I have to sell these things and I am trying to figure out how many people with an iMac 700 are going to use 60gb hard disk, copared to people with a 733 G4 with only 40gb HDD....?????

The pricing is a horror... We were having enough troubles selling the computers in Australia with the old pricing.($1795 to $3195). Apple Australia has even had to make a "SPECIAL" model 500mhz without a CD-Burner to reduce the price back down to reasonable! ($1895)

Maybe Im angry because its 2am here... but i will say

G4 Line up is now great

iMac's - Junk.. needed a big gun to get them moving.

iBooks - They were good to start with, but they have only shipped about 100 to australia

Titanium - Free ext CD-RW only in some countries (excluding Australia)

Theres a lot of problems that were not address in the keynote.

AND NO PRICE REDUCTIONS ON TITANIUMS or LCD's

Why would someone in OZ buy a Titanium 500mhz for $7495Au ($3750US) when you can get it cheaper with a free cd burner in Singapore or the US??????

GRRRRRRRRRRR

jnathanj
Jul 18, 2001, 10:43 AM
What a bummer. Clearly a need for a new Imac went un addressed. How about just an Imac with a 17" crt? The is an unhappy segment of the apple family that needs to be satiated. Don't destroy the line, just expand it slightly.

I'm very disappointed!!!

Djk515
Jul 18, 2001, 10:45 AM
Apple has discontinued their Blue Dalmation and Flower Power iMacs without an announcement. They can not be purchased at the Apple Online Store and are not on the iMac page (http://www.apple.com/imac/).

The "other thing" at the expo was iDVD? iDVD! When it first came out at MWSF 01 it wasn't the "other thing", but now it is?

And why the big TiBook deals without any updates??? They barely updated the iMacs. and now the G4s have a new case. Wow that's big news. Mac OS X 10.1 won't be out till September and there's no OS 9.2 announcement. I'd say the biggest announcement we saw at this show other than OS X was the new apps. And the new apps are usually the boring part!

menoinjun
Jul 18, 2001, 10:46 AM
Hey maybe there should be a second Macrumors site. One for those of us who are real apple fans and are dedicated to the advancement of the company...and one for those who can't stop moaning about how SJ and Apple has let them down. Maybe it should be called http://www.idontknowwhatareallygreatcomputerisandicantstopbitchingandmoaning.com
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People who are disappointed go there, all other true Mac fans, stick around. There is more good stuff to come.

-Pete

msiegal
Jul 18, 2001, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Pissed Off
All you people on this site who said there was going to be LCD iMACS, DDR-Ram, 200 MHZ G4s, even a Handheld = you are a bunch of losers. You all SWORE that Apple was going to blow us away - hey guess what? You were talking out of your ****ing *******. ****ing losers. Get a life.

lol... can we be friends?

russ192
Jul 18, 2001, 10:54 AM
I was very dissapointed with Apple's showing at MacWorld. I was expecting to see some new things but saw only speed bumps. I will have to hold off upgrading my iMac rev A and I was ready to buy.

This bad showing at MW should bring Apple's stock down to about $15 a share or lower for the next few months.....
BOO....Apple.....BOO...........

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 10:54 AM
I would have thought a cheaper iMac, say a G3 400 with just CD at $750 and a higher specced model with an nVidia 2 card for gamers (OK, so it might need a fan).

They've managed to disappoint nearly everyone.

I can't even afford a 17" monitor from Apple any more.

I seem to be in the wrong demographic. Which is upsetting, because I've been an Apple user for a long time. I've always done right by them.

The worse thing is, this has even ruined the next MacWorld for me. I think Apple are going to need some blooody amazing stuff next time, because they will be selling them from the bottom of a very deep hole. After only a $61M profit this quarter, I think they'll see red again. I think they've pretty much killed the iMac. It's not even on the radar any more.

As an exercise, go to the Gateway web page and see what you can get for the price of a Mac. It's scary.

Oh well, at least I'm not an Apple reseller.... ;)

Jul 18, 2001, 10:55 AM
I believe Apple is pushing up the price of the iMac to $999,- so that they can introduce the new form iMac, running on OS 10.1, in september. Remember what they said when they discontinued the cube? 'You will understand when you see the new iMac.'

It's coming, very unfortunately not NOW.

for the rest, a very lame show, (nothing new) no matter what the hardcore supporters say on this forum.

GPTurismo
Jul 18, 2001, 10:55 AM
They are waiting for a new iMac probaly in 2002. Cost and marketting reasons. The new Powermac is enough to keep their sales strong. They will probably release a TiBook update for the final quarter of the year.

I am just wondering if I should go ahead an put my order in for a Dual 800 or wait-

Usul52
Jul 18, 2001, 10:58 AM
I am a PC user, and always have been, primarily because the Windows OS is what I originally became proficient on, and because Windows dominates the workplace.

In the past three months, I have seriously considered buying a Mac for the first time. As such, I've done a good bit of reasarch on the product itself, the company, and, as a byproduct, have seen an inkling of what can best be described as the Mac "culture."

A few observations:

Steve Jobs, while doubtless a brilliant designer, is too arrogant and preoccupied with the genius of his own designs to either understand (or admit to) the demands of the marketplace. In this fast-paced business environment, consumers want a multitude of options at realistic prices. Apple (aka Steve Jobs) is still too myopic and elitist in its thinking to overcome the proliferation of lower-priced PCs with only marginally less computing power. In short, Apple takes their products too seriously. If you don't need eye candy on your desk, derive your sense of identity from a machine, and have not been suckered into the Mac/Jobs cult of personality, then it makes little sense to fork out the $ for such machines. (iBook is the only exception here, I believe.)

As long as Steve Jobs is around, Apple will continue to survive and innovate, but not at the speeds necessary to gain the sort of market share it is looking for. Today's Expo speech is a perfect example. Besides some PowerMac speedbumps, incermental iMac updates, and software discussion, I saw nothing today that would either induce me to buy an Apple for the first time, nor to buy the stock (which despite today's fade in response to the Expo, is still trading at an exhorbitantly high P/E)

Is is just me, or could you sense the disappointment in the audience, and the perception that Mr. Jobs was almost apologetic about the lack of other significant offerings? Weren't you all out there thinking, "Okay, when is he going to say...'And there's one more thing.'?" From a company that touts its revolutionary approach to innovation, today's exhibits, while admittedly value-added, did little to inspire the sort of consumer zeal that a company as relatively small as Apple must inspire to win new customers and to keep old ones. Not even any new iBook colors. In a word...Lame.

All that said, I'm going to end up buying an iBook, simply because I believe that it, unlike the other hardware items in the Apple line, truly does offer value at that price point.

And another thing...It seems that many of you take this stuff WAY too seriously. Every man must have his passion, but bear in mind that this partucular one is making money for someone else.

digitalrampage
Jul 18, 2001, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by ptrauber
Hey maybe there should be a second Macrumors site. One for those of us who are real apple fans and are dedicated to the advancement of the company...and one for those who can't stop moaning about how SJ and Apple has let them down. Maybe it should be called http://www.idontknowwhatareallygreatcomputerisandicantstopbitchingandmoaning.com
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People who are disappointed go there, all other true Mac fans, stick around. There is more good stuff to come.

-Pete

Are you a total lamer? I love apples too bits or I wouldn't own 60+ macs and borrow an iBook from the AppleCentre I work in in Sydney to watch tonights presentation. Its now 2am here, and I can't believe what I have just seen.

I don't think I will want to go to work anymore. Selling an iMac starting tommorow will be for me like selling someone a ticket on titanic.

Doesn't matter if you're a die hard fan or not, It SUCKED tonight and Steve really played that cards wrong. The g4's I think price and performace are good, but the iMac and LCD range needed to shed some $$$ and gain some speed but all they did was screw arround with hard disks and made a bunch of over priced lemons no one will want to buy.

Check out store.apple.com.au and Have a look at what they have had to do with the iMac line KNOWING how little sales are going to happen. We have a SPECIAL iMac without CD-RW so that people arn't put off and its $100 AU ($50US) more then it was yesterday.

In 5 months since the last iMac release they have had more then enough time to reduce costs.

Its rediculous, and I gurentee that sales staff across australia will be furious tommorow morning.

patience
Jul 18, 2001, 11:04 AM
I am looking to convert to mac with XP coming, but there is really nothing compelling right now... it sounds like the hardware and software will be ready to roll in september, so I wait no biggie. Although you can probably pick up a pretty cheap 533dually in the next month... personally I was hoping to see a price redux on the Ti4's and some colorful iBooks, but alas..

murtaugh
Jul 18, 2001, 11:09 AM
actually, I think the connecting theme here is that apple is trying to do more without spending much -- jobs hinted at it at the end when he mentioned how other companies were being forced to layoff, and the mention of family members seems to be a sign of stress among personnel.

apple can't afford to make mistakes -- particularly now. so launching new hardware designs and prematurely abandoning others would just raise the risk of serious (and perhaps unrepairable) financial failure.

Given this, I think they're doing some sound streamlining (cutting CRTs and the cube, iMacs with only CDRW, a great low and high end portable) and focusing resources on their software (which remains fantastic) and making sure that OSX really gets off the ground.

Despite my disappointment, I'd rather see the company hold on and progress incrementally rather than make costly mistakes and die in flames.

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 11:12 AM
Haven't felt like this since the last Tyson fight.... ;)

All revved up. Nowhere to go.

People have a right to complain about the new iMacs. They are upgrades for upgrades sake. And they suck. They could be really cheap or really powerful. They are neither.

DON'T buy a dual G4. Steve said better things were coming, remember...

russ192
Jul 18, 2001, 11:24 AM
Did you like that send off with regarding employees and their families. I see that the pink slips will be receiving there stamps today. Sorry guys...

Thin Ice
Jul 18, 2001, 11:25 AM
Australian AppleCentres are a wasteland.

Software arrives by carrier pigeons (if they survive the wildlife).

They can show you a photo of a TiBook and order one in if you like the look of it.

It's sucks selling Apple's in Australia.

It will suck worse tommorrow.

Raise your hand if you're on commission!

Now slam it in a door jamb.

It sucks that much.

The best defence is offence. If the market is bad, how do you improve it by making your machines worse? The iMacs were comparatively underpowered.

Now they suck. It's official.

They officially suck.

Dennis Leary should do their ad's.

Release the lemons!!!!

JohnSmith
Jul 18, 2001, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by greenplasticcup
did you actually pay attention to the keynote?

Sure buy a pentium 1.8GHz. Can you burn a dvd on them? And record from your dvcamera? For the same price?

For crying out loud. You want to pay 1,000 bucks for an imac and you want something that's faster than the fastest PC and burn dvd's? Are you nuts?

Oh grand, the AMD and Pentium is pulling away very quickly, but the G4 destroys the pentium in speed. Good luck Pentium! And good luck you converts, we'll see you later, probably in six months or so when you realize it's not faster, burning dvd's is very expensive, and it ends up costing more in the long run.



Umm dude, you can't burn DVDs on a $1k imac and even if you could, media costs $60 a platter (for 90 minutes, gee), thats NUTS. DVD-Rs only play on 40-50% of home dvd players. DVD burning is riddled with problems. Don't forget, DVD burners are just going to be an ATA interface, thus X86 machines capable of burning DVDs will be cheaper in the long run. Scale of economy is in Intels favor. Finally, a gigahert will always be faster then a megahert, regardless of who designed and cut the chips.. A gallon is always more then a pint. Sure if we were talking about 800mhz vs 850mhz, instruction set could make a difference, but at 1.5ghz vs 800mhz, instruction processing overhead is unimportant.

McFreggle
Jul 18, 2001, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Usul52
I am a PC user, and always have been, primarily because the Windows OS is what I originally became proficient on, and because Windows dominates the workplace.

In the past three months, I have seriously considered buying a Mac for the first time. As such, I've done a good bit of reasarch on the product itself, the company, and, as a byproduct, have seen an inkling of what can best be described as the Mac "culture."


Hi... I'm a bit in the same situation...
Me too, I am a Windows 2000 Power User, but since many years, I sympathize with the Macintosh-platform, and I've worked several times with it. In december last year, I introduced Mac-support at the university where I work, and since then, I have an Ruby iMac in my office (I really like the Ruby).

Me too, I'm considering of bying a Mac for personal use... An iMac seems reasonable (with or without LCD display), but I'm also considering of bying a laptop this fall, and now I don't know what to do: buy a PC laptop, and wait to buy a Mac, or just buy an iBook...

Anyhow... about the keynote... I'm also a bit disappointed, but I think that has much to do with all the great expectations you guys spreaded around here! "Wheee! It's gonna be a GREAT Macworld! LCD-iMacs! Super-G4's! Palmtops! ..." You created the expectations; Apple didn't promise a thing.

Steve Jobs knows what the consumer wants. But he also stays realistic. And with all the new innovations we got this year (he summed them all up - on purpose??) it's been good for a while. The iBooks are still selling very very good, and now he just has to keep up this pace, until it's REALLY time for great innovations -- and we will get them!
Steve Jobs also has sleepless nights because Apple still hasn't broken the symbolic 1 GHz barrier -- I find it somewhat pathetic how they KEEP doing those comparisons with the Pentium and KEEP saying the Megaherzes are a myth, but it's for their own sake...

I myself will always keep the PC as my primary platform, but it has to do with the stuff I do on PC and can't do on a Mac, but mark these words of a Windows-user: "Macintosh is nowadays more than ever THE platform for people who just want to work with a computer and doing all the stuff everything is doing, without having technical bagage. Apple is GREAT in providing SOLUTIONS, like they say it."
So please... don't let Apple down now. They need you; the world needs them.

Just my two cents.

menoinjun
Jul 18, 2001, 11:28 AM
listen, i'm just sick of people whining. I think that any step in the right direction is a good step, it doesn't have to be huge.

anyone else bummed about the price of the dual 800? i'm glad I have my dual 533/512/radeon. I dont want to spend the money for the new dual, and I need a better graphics card. other than that , a 733 for 1699!!!!! that's amazing!!

-Pete

kreg
Jul 18, 2001, 11:33 AM
was anyone else totally let down by this keynote? no new enclosures (i condsider "quicksilver" a new color) and the only DP is the high-end 800 machine. i was really hopinf for DPs all across the line, even if it was 600 or 700. what a bummer from Apple!

jziperski
Jul 18, 2001, 11:45 AM
Last year I was lucky enough to be at the conference, and fortunate enough to have my company sponser my trip...it was awesome minus the high expectaion for OSX that did not come, it was a typical look over hear, while we fail to deliver over here.

Can you imagine paying hundreds to sit in on that keynote (it is rather expensive) stand in line to get a seat, and listen to all of that advertisements, and then be asked to sit and applaud the families of Apple. Apple is a corporation that sells goods, that we give them money for in return, don't ask me to applaud engineers for selling me something overpriced and over promised. They have sunk to their lowest level, they rely on the emotion of Apple lovers to support them when they missed the boat!!! I was ready to buy, been waiting for this speech, I might as spend money on non-computer stuff.

t^3
Jul 18, 2001, 11:51 AM
I don't mind the so-called 'disappointment' of today: the iMac update, the slightly revised Power Mac enclosure, and no OS X update, but I am disappointed in that OS 9.2 isn't out yet. I recall that this site said it went GM about a week ago, but what happened? apple.com says that the new Macs will still ship with 9.1...

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 11:56 AM
I don't think we said anything about OS 9.2...

arn

Caleb Fuller
Jul 18, 2001, 11:58 AM
Well, after getting over my shock of seeing the rumored "smooth front" G4 tower posted here actually a reality on Apple's web site, I began to get the sinking feeling that seems to come around with every Macworld lately.

On a light note, interesting to see flower power and blue dalmation slink off-stage with nary a whisper, but I guess everyone expected that. The cube has also quietly disappeared from the Apple store. Again, no suprises, but I can't help thinking this thing could have sold well if it had been marketted and priced as an iMac replacement.

But apart from that...?...!....?.....

Nothing really compelling, a speed bump that barely keeps pace with "inflation", price RISES for base models. (the only ones I can afford)

I've been watching things slowly sink west for a while now. I pity of the reseller who wrote:

>The pricing is a horror... We were having enough troubles
>selling the computers in Australia with the old
>pricing.($1795 to $3195).

This is really the crux of the problem... No-one really questions that Apple is delivering some great hardware. The problem is that they're not delivering great value with that hardware... Once upon a time, I remember when they did.

I mean, a base model G4 has now increased A$200 in price over here in Australia! It's now A$3895 for the cheapest G4 Mac!

My flatmate just bought a new PC for music production. It's a 1GHz PIII with 512MB RAM, Ultra 166 SCSI and a 10,000RPM 18GB SCSI hard drive, ethernet, and an industrial strength 19" rack mount case - all parts were server quality, premium components. He, a dedicated PC user, actually seriously considered a G4 tower after seeing the of Macs in action with music production. But in the end, he went PC... Why? Because the price of his entire system was only A$1795. What could he have bought from Apple for the same money? Well, with the price bump on the "new" iMacs...absolutely nothing!

What makes it worse is that if he'd forgone his fancy rack mount case and Ultra 166 SCSI, he'd have got a 17" monitor, good sound card AND a faster processor for the same money.

Forget about the iMac competing here. It was a great machine when it came out, but that was YEARS ago, and all we've seen since then is changes of color and ever decreasing speed bumps and tweaks on the same tired design. The person who mentioned Gateway pricing is right, it IS scary when you look at the specs and price of PCs nowdays.

The new G4s are great machines. I really want one on my desk! But it's pretty much the same machine I've been drooling over for the past two years, with again, slight speed bumps. And, typically, the features that make it really worthwhile are only on the top of the line model, which is a ridiculous $7700 without even a monitor. No-one I know can afford that sort of dough for a computer.

Apple, please, pick up the ball, quick. Give me some really compelling reasons to buy a new Mac. I've been holding off for, like, a year, waiting for the next "big thing" that will finally make a new Mac a compelling purchase in the face of increasingly extreme value for money offered by PC vendors. Unfortunately, I'm finding the reasons gradually becoming less compelling, not more...

Jimbolini
Jul 18, 2001, 12:11 PM
There seems to be (in my mind anyway) one big thing missing from the announcements...OK, two.

First, no new servers?!? In fact, the store still has old-enclosure 533 MHz servers. Uuuhhh... Apple? I suppose a more enterprise-oriented show might be the venue for rolling out new servers, but they have to at least update the current ones to the new form factor/CPU, don't they?

Second, no CD burner on TiBooks?!? I suppose it's hard to do with a slot-load, but this is just downright necessary.

blakespot
Jul 18, 2001, 12:25 PM
I'm pretty pleased with the way things turned out. Speed-bumped iMacs...great. If there was no move to LCD, then we figured the enclosures would stay the same.

G4's... Quite a shift in MHz/pricepoint. A 733MHz lowend G4 is quite a fast machine. (With a GeForce 3, running Q3 for OS X, it came w/in 5-7fps of an Athlon 1.4 w/ GeForce 3 running Q3...that's impressive!) 867, faster still, not earthshakingly so--I'll bet it beats the Athlon 1.4 at Q3. But the dual 800--with OS X, that is some serious power. Serious power. It must be the fastest Q3 machine out there--not that this is why I use computers, to play Q3, but it's a fairly decent benchmark.

I just ordered a dual 800 + GeForce 3. (Removed the SuperDrive @ the on-line store.) I can't wait.

I'm pretty happy with the expo. The app demos looked _great_, much better price/performance on the G4 towers, improved iMacs, 10.1 coming, fixing all GUI speed issues, it seems. Anyone who was expecting new laptops was fooling themselves anyway.

I don't see why everyone is going through throes of torture and dissapointment. I just don't get it.


blakespot

[Edited by arn on 07-18-2001 at 03:06 PM]

Drama Queen
Jul 18, 2001, 12:26 PM
You all created your own misery here. In case most of you just woke up from a coma, the economy isn't very healthy right now. What sane person (or company) would over-extend themself financially in these market conditions?

Most of you need a life, and have WAY too much time on your hands to fabricate these little stories and pipe dreams. It's all about hype with you people. Bunch of media whores. You're probably the same people (the ONLY people) who actually tune in to, and believe the American news. It's always MORE, or BIGGER, or FASTER, or WORSE THAN WE PRVIOUSLY THOUGHT! In reality it's just normalness with a stucco facade. Maybe that's the real dissapointment here. Maybe some of you don't have enough excitement in you own daily lives. I have some design to finish....

Good day

Drama Queen
Jul 18, 2001, 12:28 PM
Besides, nobody has even considered the fact that they might be pouring their resources into the G5.

I'm outta here for good...lame-o's.

quaker
Jul 18, 2001, 12:55 PM
I dunno what machine your running on Blake, but an Athlon 1.4 GF2 Ultra (everything on, reasonable resolution) smokes your expensive 733 with GF3 in Q3. And its a LOT cheaper. make this riduculous claim at q3w forums and post your specs, you'll be embarrassed.

The enitre point of all this, is apples steps are small, analogies between a p4 and g4 are irrelevant unless everything has been optimised, apples are too expensive, and why have a smoking multiporcessor aware os, and nothing to run it on?

Its ok being an apologist, but being blind to the truth helps no one, least of all APPL.

tYNS
Jul 18, 2001, 01:00 PM
First off,

New products are nice, "BUT" what you don't seem to understand is that all these wonderful new products you are hoping for don't mean anything unless you have software to run on them.

Mac OS X is a marvel to develop for. The key idea of this show was to support MAC OS X! It was to address professionals concerns of the software support for OS X. I personally could care less for any new (and sensless) hardware re-designs or updates.

Look at where almost an hour of the key speech was spent --- Software. This was and is THEE biggest concern for apple. They are starting essential a NEW platform of computing. If you don't realize that without great software there is no need for hardware you need to go and buy a PC.

I currently am using a Bondi G3-400 which I bought 2 years ago. This machine does ABSOLUTELY everything I need it to. I am a software developer in my spare time, and a graphic designer / network administrator by trade. My machine at home to this day runs EVERY single application perfectly with great speed. I work on a G4-450 at work, and I honestly do not find that robust of difference to warrant a need to purchase a NEW G4 anytime soon for home.

What it boils down to is that Apple makes great machines that outlast PC equivalents for life expectancy. I won a K6-233 as well at home that was SERIOUSLY outdated in a matter of 6 months. And i mean outdated. It will run hardly anything. Again, my mac of "2 years" is still running EVERYTHING perfectly.

Hardware is not such a big issue now a days. I am willing to bet that the majority of people here that are whining about lack of new designs or hardware incompetencies are either:

a) PC users thinking about adopting to MAC and are so used to the ongoing (stupid) processor/hardware wars on PC that they don't realize that apple tries to find everyway possible to support their systems as long as they possibly can.

b) uncreative and unresourceful to make the most out of what they currently own. IE. they care more about PENIS ENVY then using the damn machine to do what they are made for... Creativing. Some of the top graphic and sound studios still use (now old) PowerMac series computers. It is not the box that makes the user, it is the user that makes the user.

As the famous words of Arnold go:
"Stop your Whining!"

t^3
Jul 18, 2001, 01:06 PM
My mistake. It was thinksecret.com that said 9.2 went GM last Monday.

Pants
Jul 18, 2001, 01:18 PM
most music studios still have an Atari kicking around - but I wouldnt pay 3 grande for one!

judging by the commenst jobs is purported to make after coming off stage, he knows hes blown it. Call us disastified people whiners all you like, but the stock market is calling you apologists.

dswan34
Jul 18, 2001, 02:01 PM
Dissappointing, yet not a disaster. In the current economic situation and the problems with Motorola with the chips. I think apple has done pretty well here. Steve was uncomfortable up there, and he was pissed when that camera woudn't work. I think he would have liked this to be a much bigger show but it just wasn't possible right now to release LCD imacs, all new Powermacs, G5s, or a PDA. so in 3, 6 and 12 months we will see much bigger things. just not all at once. so calm down

gandalf55
Jul 18, 2001, 02:05 PM
Who would have liked to have been thrown that dig camera on the 1st go-round? OMG...

"here, I'll leave it to an expert..."

someone is clearing out their desk in Cupertino come Monday...

jziperski
Jul 18, 2001, 02:08 PM
Steve's theatrical performances finally has backfired...all of the secrecy has led to a dissappointing Apple Summit.

blakespot
Jul 18, 2001, 02:19 PM
Again, I'm quite satisfied with the turnout.

I purchased a b&w G3 400 the day it was available (Jan '99) and it's served me well for over 2.5 years. I just sold it on eBay for $1,050 for the tower and an added SCSI card and HD (~20GB total), 512MB RAM (cheap nowadays). Try to sell a PC that's 2.5 years old for that. That'd be a high-end PII, or a low-end PIII. Good luck. (Not that resale value should be a real factor in buying a computer, not if you're at all a power user, as I certainly am.)

Given that that machine lasted me 2.5 years, I think the dual-G4 800 + GeForce 3 I ordered in the Apple Store will last me a good while. Having followed NeXTSTEP (I own a NeXTSTATION, as well), I know how robust OS X's kernel is, and am aware that the multiprocessing will really be done in a robust and powerful manner on this excellent OS.

Why so much dissatisfaction from everyone? Were the app previews not impressive? Hell, Office for X seems insane fine. The Adobe apps, and the rest as well. Yes, it is a new platform (OS X) -- apps are not all here yert, but they're coming. What we're getting in this transition is so much better than Windows that it's not even funny. Unix core, stability, excellent GUI, robust SMP, etc. After using OS X for a while now at home, and using Linux on the servers here at work, Windows just feels WAY too proprietary...

...I thought about building an Athlon 1.4 system when I was wanting more speed (OS X is a bit slow, at present, on my old G3) and noticing I had a 2.5 year old machine, but I just could not bring myself to run Windows at home. This is an exciting time for Mac users--the ideal server and user OS is here. Do you expect this transition to take place in one day? Am I the only one who feels that we're in pretty much an ideal sitaution as far as OS and hardware, the only negative being price, but given your need for real power, that can be often worked out (proven by what I threw on a low-interest credit card this morning).

You guys can complain all you want. With OS X here and that dual G4 800 on the way, I'm more content than I've been in 20 years of messing with these keyboard-laden devices.


My $.02.



blakespot

tYNS
Jul 18, 2001, 02:23 PM
If you had been watching the stocks you would notice that stocks fell on opening of the market. Not due to what was said at Mac World or that a new Imac wasn't introduced (come on).

The tech sector in general saw a drop.

Investors don't like to see earnings drop. The reason why Apple opened low is because of their earnings report not MacWorld.

Again, that is why it was important for Apple to stress software announcements.

PEOPLE DO NOT WANT NEW HARDWARE EVERY YEAR! And the only people that do want new Hardware are generally SUPER high end users.

I can gaurantee that 1/2 the people whining about that lack of new hardward designs had no intention of purchasing a new computer anyway.

People are depending on Apple to be like a hollywood movie now. Since they have such eyecandy designs, people are expecting sequels. This is wrong. If you go to a movie just for the special effects, then you are missing the whole point of going to the movie. That is the story, and the value it gives you.

Something I feel Apple continues to do despite the special effects at this particular showing.

The future looks AMAZING for OS X!

AND PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT! OS X IS THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE OF APPLE NOW, NOT HARDWARE!

If OS X fails, Apple is as good as dead. (period)

I am more excited than ever about this MacWorld! Did you see all the developers that are supporting MAC! Holy Cow! It is remarkable. More than ever before! This MacWorld was about just that... Mac OS X! No one who is eyeing Mac OS X right now cares about hardware really (save it for some other day). Something like 1000 developers (at start) are producing applications for Mac OS X. Microsoft has proven that software is what makes the computer! Apple is finally reaching into this with their target market perfectly laid out. And to boot, Apple's applications are OUTSTANDING! They are hitting EVERY niche. That is their goal. As soon as Apple gets their feet sunk nicely in OS X with everyon developing for it, I wouldn't be surprised to see they opening up the Hardware right for 3rd party vendors again.

In my opinion, I say hold tight.. The roller coaser is just starting. Don't worry about there not being a new Bee, Dalmation, or big bird coloured Imac. it isn't what is important right now.

Apple is a strong company, and will survive for quite a while despite sales drops.

Software innovation is key right now.

blakespot
Jul 18, 2001, 03:34 PM
Yes, I agree mostly with your points. OS X is the core of Apple now. They are not going to STOP hardware, but OS X is the force. People don't realize how superior it is to OS 9. Windows 95, from a kernel perspective, is superior to OS 9, hands down. That's sad. OS X is far superior to Windows 2000, and its Mach + BSD underpinnings are more robust than Linux's implementation of *nix.

It's a crazy fine time right now. With Appls like MAYA coming, the perceived quality of Office for OS X, Adobe's committment, etc. -- it's just great. Yes, it's a new environment with a new feel, etc. but it is the best thing out there. Hell, I'd far rather have a crazy fast OS X box than Solaris running on a decently fast Sun. On top of all the Unix power, I can run virtually all old MacOS apps in Classic, or dual boot if need be. Sun cannot do that. And VPC on X--obviously a platform emulator is more ideally running on something like Unix than OS 9!!

It's a great time.

As for the frequent new hardware. Remember that the new hardware is not geared only at people who've bought Macs in recent years, but also at new users. It's rather important that new users have modern hardware that's competitive with what's out there in the PC world to purchase. The speed upgrades are necessary. And they happen more frequently in the PC world, actually--it's just low key because who gives a flying crap when a new Dell is rolled out?? (How long was the line at the opening of the nearest Gateway store??) It's just higher profile as Apple, and you're more aware of it.

Again--I'm quite charged after this excellent expo. Can't wait for my dual G4 800 to arrive.


blakespot

Djk515
Jul 18, 2001, 03:44 PM
I was hoping Adobe would talk about Photoshop instead of GoLive during the "Ten on X" portion. After the keynote I went to Apple's Powermac movie page (http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/powermac.html) so I could watch the Promotion video without all that choppy interference of streaming video. I found something strange. While talking about the new G4, Apple's Senior Vice-President of Software Engineering, John Rubinstein comments that "the new 867 MHz system runs Photoshop 50% faster than the latest 1.7 GHz Intel system." What confused me was that while he said this what appeared to be Photoshop was running in Mac OS X. This amazed me. Why would Adobe not mention a word about Photoshop on X if it was currently in production?

Michael Dell
Jul 18, 2001, 04:20 PM
You see? even Apple fans agree with me!

:)

ps - the stocks are *not* being helped by the perceived weak line up. OSx wont help apple for the next quarter.

arn
Jul 18, 2001, 04:34 PM
Regarding Photoshop under OS X. It's actually running under Classic. You can see the app-switching menu up on the top right.,

arn

Guest
Jul 18, 2001, 05:08 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat with many other people. This MacWorld was pretty depressing and not very inspiring. Good to see that the iMacs were improved and they got rid of the old ugly designs they put out in February, but there was pretty much nothing too spectacular. I am pretty excited for OS 10.1. I was amazed at how fast the improvements really were, so not as much waiting for the programs to load. I'm just hoping that the next MacWorld expo (in Paris or Timbuktu or wherever it is held) pulls out the real guns and releases both the 9.2 or 9.3 and 10.1 updates, along with some real improvements to the iMacs, and maybe even some new improvements to all of the laptops.

Thin Ice
Jul 19, 2001, 05:37 AM
Standard Insensitive Response (SIR):

"Gee Whiz, stop your whining!

I thought MacWorld was great! Didn't you see OS X! And iDVD! Software is the key now, not hardware. Apple can't re-invent the wheel every time.

OS X will be the way of the future and will run really well on my new dual 800 G4 with 22" Cinema Display.

Can't wait to run Maya on it.

What are you all whining about?"

C'mon. Other people need computers too. Take these G4 towers away from these people and give them an iMac budget to work with. How many would buy a PC instead?

Selfish gits. I hope BMW's develop serious flaws.... ;)

Apple has.

Xistor
Jul 19, 2001, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by digitalrampage
I don't think I will want to go to work anymore... [/B]

Geez people, lighten-up! Apple just came out with two great new lap-tops this year. The Ti-book is getting an update for sure in September when the FW-CDRW offer expires. OS 10.1 is officially scheduled to come out at the same time now and it isn't slow anymore. Things are improving at an acceptable rate, just not enough to satisfy some of the gossips on this list.

http://www.ifmypredictionsthatarebasedonrumorsdontcometrueoneverykeynotedeliveredbySteveJobsthenIwillcutmys elforneedProzac.com !

Seriously now.. a little bit of patience here...

According to the Jobs "clock".. we're at just about 5:00.. hmm, time for the 10.0.5 videocard compatibility update.

;)