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Le Big Mac
Jan 7, 2003, 09:00 PM
Seemed like there's a lot of talk that laptops are the future for home computing, and that desktops will fall by the wayside. Is this likely? Certainly the laptop is right for a lot of folks, but given the $1000 or so premium for comparable equipment (not to mention carpal tunnel syndrome), it seems like desktops still have a big role to play for a lot of people (well, me for at least one). Thoughts?

medea
Jan 7, 2003, 09:05 PM
while they are not the immediate future, they should be the thing later on, but right now they can be expensive and some people still like being able to upgrade the powermacs which isnt really something you can do with laptops right now, but desktops are getting smaller and smaller so when its more cost efficent to produce smaller chip sets and boards etc. I'm sure laptops will be it. or just really really small desktops.....

vniow
Jan 7, 2003, 09:12 PM
I just bought an older clamshell iBook awhile ago and I already had a PC so I'm sorta switched.

And I luv it. I would use it way more often if I could have afforded a newer one with Airport, a bigger screen (more resolution really) and faster hardware, but it's fine for now.

I don't know if laptops will ever get more than 50% market share over desktops, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my iBook for anything else but another laptop, no way. It's too goddamn useful.

I used to not see the point of laptops, but now that I own one, I'm not about to trade it in for a desktop anytime soon.

Dignan
Jan 7, 2003, 09:34 PM
Why desktops are better -> Brighter screens, Bigger screens.

Thats all I need.

ChicagoMac
Jan 7, 2003, 09:40 PM
I always thought that the children were our future:D Wait, that was Whitney Houston, not Steve Jobs.

My only concern about getting a laptop would be that most people say they don't last as long. Also, the hard drives aren't as large, less ports, etc...

I still prefer a Mac desktop (even though I sit here typing this on a windows laptop of all things! How ironic!?).

FattyMembrane
Jan 7, 2003, 09:40 PM
apple said that notebooks are the future because they still have room to improve their notebooks. did you notice that there were no desktop announcements of any kind? until the 970 debuts, the desktops are stuck about where they are right now.

once the 970 is out, steve will say that desktops are the new notebooks :D

it's a very clever move really, and an excellent way to keep increasing the user base.

Le Big Mac
Jan 7, 2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane
apple said that notebooks are the future because they still have room to improve their notebooks.

That's kind of what I was figuring.

It's unfortunate that Apple seems to be abandoning desktops for now, although maybe something will happen next month.

It's one thing to do nothing much. But it's an awful thing to do nothing at all to the desktops.

Bear
Jan 7, 2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Dignan
Why desktops are better -> Brighter screens, Bigger screens.

Thats all I need.

The PowerBooks support plugging in a second screen on them. That second screen can be the 23" HD Cinema :)

topicolo
Jan 7, 2003, 10:08 PM
Desktop sales are dropping across the personal computer sector. Everybody from HP to Dell to Apple has suffered a slowed in their destop sales.
Why?
Practically everyone who's ever going to get a desktop already has one and they're pretty much fast enough that there won't be an upgrading frenzy anytime soon. Laptops haven't saturated the market like desktops yet.
That's partly why Apple's focusing on laptops. Another reason is that Apple usually makes more money on laptops than with them stale ol' desktops (better margins).

pgwalsh
Jan 7, 2003, 10:17 PM
Laptops are great, but I don't see the secretary needing one. She can keep her desktop.

I prefer the desktop when at home. I'd like a larger screen than the 23" with a TV input and 7.1 surround sound so I can watch a movie with all the effects etc. Sure I can do that with a laptop, but I can't stick my already purchased pci cards in the laptop. So if that's all they're going to give us (for now) why not build an external PCI card bay or something. Make the card bay firewire 800. Allow us to put a few drives in the bay. Acutally the bay should be like a docking station with a firewire 800 connection and 802.11G for wireless connection. Throw everything you need in a PowerMac in the docking station except the processor and mother board. Ha!

Just having some fun with the whole thing.

Wren
Jan 8, 2003, 12:02 AM
I'd have to agree that after today's amibitous unveiling of the 17 inch Powerbook... the direction is only to move forward that direction. I currently own an iMac and a 500mhziBook. I am glad that I waited today before I bought the Powerbook. I am DEFINITELY going to buy the 17 inch Powerbook ASAP! I was going to buy the Titanium's latest upgrade last November.. but Im glad I waited. The price has gone down by a couple of hundred. The advantages of having a mobile computer far outweighs the stationary desktop. Good job APPLE!!

GeneR
Jan 8, 2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane
apple said that notebooks are the future because they still have room to improve their notebooks. did you notice that there were no desktop announcements of any kind? until the 970 debuts, the desktops are stuck about where they are right now.

once the 970 is out, steve will say that desktops are the new notebooks :D

it's a very clever move really, and an excellent way to keep increasing the user base.

I agree with FattyMembrane (nice name by the way! :D ) it's a great way to keep people's attention off of the weaker product lines (i.e. the desktops which may or may not significantly benefit from the new chips which are rumored later this year).

In the meantime, we can salivate (it's become a bit of a ritual for me) over the newest laptops that Apple produces. :D

vniow
Jan 8, 2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
So if that's all they're going to give us (for now) why not build an external PCI card bay or something.

http://www.magma.com/pci/1slot.html

MacBandit
Jan 8, 2003, 01:48 AM
Desktops will always be more expandable, more upgradeable, and faster. It just has to do with size.

SPG
Jan 8, 2003, 01:56 AM
Until you can run a laptop with four HD's two display cards, an MPEG2 encoder card, a decoder card, over a gig of ram, SCSI connects, 4xDVD burner, zip, and a full size keyboard where you want it, I'll need to stick with my above mentioned tower setup...although that 12" ti does look real sweet for a portable...

nicmac
Jan 8, 2003, 02:18 AM
Many Architects like myself use PowerBooks to run Cadd programs and photoshop.
There is more than enough power and speed.
So mhz is not an issue (it's the applications that count)
We just plug them into big screens and when we have to make presentations we grab them and go.

The buzz among most of the designers I know including myself is that they are going to buy the 17" PowerBook. This will be a big seller for the creative professions.

D*I*S_Frontman
Jan 8, 2003, 08:23 AM
SPG,

You can actually do all of that right now with a laptop. If you use one of those Magma CardBus PCI jobs (see previous post for link) you can have 8 or more full size PCI slots for all your i/o needs. A couple of cards and you can have your wall of SCSI RAID arrays and HD displays. Of course you'll leave all of that on your desktop when you boogie off with your 17' AlBook to make that killer presentation. When you get back, just slide the card back in and wala! Fully functional and fully expandable production suite.

Of course, this comes with a very high pricetag, as the Magma people don't exactly GIVE their products away. You'll pay at least twice as much for a system this way. And you won't have a dualie processor set-up or be able to use more than a gig of RAM, either. But for independent graphic design guys who make occasional presentations, why not? I imagine the sheer awe factor when you slide that impossibly thin AlBook out of your leather attache and open up that huge yet wafer-thin display could add enough dazzle to your presentation to clinch the deal.

mstecker
Jan 8, 2003, 08:43 AM
I've got a G4 desktop at home, with a nice 17" studio display - a "better" machine by every measure than my 600mhz iBook. Still, I find myself using my iBook much more than the desktop, even while at home. Why? Because the iBook stis on a little stand in my living room. I can use it while sitting on the couch. I can toss it to my wife, and say "hey! check this out!" on the rare occasion that I surf something that she'd actually be interested in.

After sitting at a desk at work all day, I can't bear to sit at a desk at home.

Still, if I had to use a laptop as a primary machine at work, I'd shoot myself in the spleen.

Kid Red
Jan 8, 2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Dignan
Why desktops are better -> Brighter screens, Bigger screens.

Thats all I need.

See, you forgot strudy, stronger, more durable. When you guys have kids you'll know why laptops won't replace desktops :)

peterjhill
Jan 8, 2003, 09:10 AM
I have been using a Ti800dvi as my primary computer since their release (I bought what would have been the floor model for the campus computer store, the day they got it in).

Laptops are definitely the way to go. With the 17" Albook, there are not many things you can't do well on it.

With dual monitor support, there is no issue with screens. I run a 21" CRT as my primary display at work. I go home, use the LCD, and have all my files with me, all my apps. Everything.

Part of the key to enjoying a laptop as your primary machine are:

- External Keyboard at your desk
- At least two external mice, one for work, and one for home, don't bother taking it back and forth
- External Monitor, at work, the CRT is my main screen, and the LCD is for storing windows without minimizing them.

For the majority of users, that will be quite sufficent.

The big difference, of course, is the price. $3200 is alot for a machine. Of course the 17" LCD must be factored into the price. Once you do that, the price starts to look very nice.

With firewire2 in the top of the line model, la Cie has that new 500GB external drive. I think it is only firewire 400, but I doubt it will be long before the 800 stuff starts to come out.

Yum!

primalman
Jan 8, 2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by nicmac
Many Architects like myself use PowerBooks to run Cadd programs and photoshop.
There is more than enough power and speed.
So mhz is not an issue (it's the applications that count)
We just plug them into big screens and when we have to make presentations we grab them and go.

The buzz among most of the designers I know including myself is that they are going to buy the 17" PowerBook. This will be a big seller for the creative professions.

nicmac hit it here I think.

For an Art Director, Architect, Design Team Leader or the like who need to have desktop power but also portability for presentations and meetings, the 17" fits the bill. They do not always need the fastest machines, but do need more than the iBook et al.

Plus, with having a single machine, the hassle of having two configurations is nil. You always have your email, all your files, your this, your that. And wherever you are, you can connect to networks in about every way one would need. Excellent!! :)

brian0526
Jan 8, 2003, 09:52 AM
Laptops are great and may very well replace desktops for professionals. In many cases, they already have. But, the 17" Powerbook is not going to replace a desktop machine for very many home users. It's about 2X the price of a good home computer. For $3,200 I could buy a pretty good desktop AND a mediocre laptop. I work from home and am on my computer all day. I do not want to spend all day typing on a laptop.

The other thing is laptops are not a durable as desktops. Even the people I've known with Apple laptops have hardware problems with them after use. Desktops are still more reliable and more cost effective for most home users and I think it will stay that way for the immediate future.

Apple's got great laptops. If I were in the market for a laptop, I'd definitely buy one. But, I'm looking for as much performance as I can get for a certain price and I want a machine that's going to last 3, 4 or 5 years. A desktop machine still fits the bill for me. I'd like to see Apple make their (consumer) desktop offerings at least as good as their high end laptop.

Brian

JupiterZen
Jan 8, 2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by edvniow


http://www.magma.com/pci/1slot.html

Wow, that was just what I was looking for. I have a Delta 1010 PCI audio card with breakout box and that was a getting in the way of my "I could get the 17''Powerbook" thoughts.

Because then I would have to buy the MOTU 828 firewire interface as well. And both the Powermac and a new audio card with 10 outputs is way over my budget ;)

Alas, the 17" Powerbook is over by budget as well at this moment. But I find myself exploring possibilities ;)

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Damn, just saw the price on those Magma things :( for that money I could just get the MOTU 828 and sell my Delta 1010.
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primalman
Jan 8, 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by brian0526
Laptops are great and may very well replace desktops for professionals. In many cases, they already have. But, the 17" Powerbook is not going to replace a desktop machine for very many home users. It's about 2X the price of a good home computer. For $3,200 I could buy a pretty good desktop AND a mediocre laptop. I work from home and am on my computer all day. I do not want to spend all day typing on a laptop.

The Powerbook is not a consumer or home user type of machine. It is meant for pro-type [ie video/graphics/audio pros] users who need more annemities and power in a very portable package. If you have a laptop as your primary workstation and you sit at a desk all day, only a freaking fool would use the built-in keyboard all that time. Plug a damn external in with a mouse, and maybe even use a second display. Easy thing to deal with.

I'd like to see Apple make their (consumer) desktop offerings at least as good as their high end laptop.

It is, if you break it down. The 17" iMac has the same screen as the new PB, not as fast of a chip or bus but an equal or better graphics card, faster optical, better sound, etc. The new 17" PB and the 17" iMac or more like brothers than cousins. Not twins, but close brothers.

Centris 650
Jan 8, 2003, 10:22 AM
I use an ibook but I am currently looking at buying a powermac. While I may never NOT own a laptop I find that my wife and family need a more "stationary" computer.

Also, if laptops are the wave of the future why wasn't SJ using one during MWSF? :D (Just Kidding of course.)

peterjhill
Jan 8, 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Centris 650
I use an ibook but I am currently looking at buying a powermac. While I may never NOT own a laptop I find that my wife and family need a more "stationary" computer.

Also, if laptops are the wave of the future why wasn't SJ using one during MWSF? :D (Just Kidding of course.)

How do you know he wasn't using a powerbook?

All I can see is a cinema display. It could be very well set to be video mirroring a powerbook under the table. That would be easier than lugging a G4 around.

My wife is looking to sell her desktop and get a laptop. She does not want to be tied to a desk to check her email. Her parents both purchased laptops last year. None of them are power users. They all appreciate the lack of clutter.

primalman
Jan 8, 2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Centris 650
Also, if laptops are the wave of the future why wasn't SJ using one during MWSF? :D (Just Kidding of course.)

Maybe he is! He just is using the external monitor jack and an external KB and mouse! The Powerbook is under his desk, keeping his legs warm.

BTW, love the name! I used a Centris 650 for sooooooooooo long, even built one into a robust file server for a while. HA!

:D

MacBandit
Jan 8, 2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by D*I*S_Frontman
SPG,

You can actually do all of that right now with a laptop. If you use one of those Magma CardBus PCI jobs (see previous post for link) you can have 8 or more full size PCI slots for all your i/o needs. A couple of cards and you can have your wall of SCSI RAID arrays and HD displays. Of course you'll leave all of that on your desktop when you boogie off with your 17' AlBook to make that killer presentation. When you get back, just slide the card back in and wala! Fully functional and fully expandable production suite.


So you're trying to tell me that these external PCI cards can be accessed and have throughput as high as internal ones on the motherboard? I don't buy it.

Also Laptops will always lag behind in pure processor speed RAM capacity and many other things because of size, weight, and heat.

Maclicious
Jan 8, 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Wren
I'd have to agree that after today's amibitous unveiling of the 17 inch Powerbook... the direction is only to move forward that direction. I currently own an iMac and a 500mhziBook. I am glad that I waited today before I bought the Powerbook. I am DEFINITELY going to buy the 17 inch Powerbook ASAP! I was going to buy the Titanium's latest upgrade last November.. but Im glad I waited. The price has gone down by a couple of hundred. The advantages of having a mobile computer far outweighs the stationary desktop. Good job APPLE!!

I have an iBook 500, and was also going to buy in November--mainly I needed a bigger screen, but I also needed to be able to be mobile. Thank god I waited for the 17 incher! I placed the order yesterday, and now can't wait. I guess I'll have to wait until February, though; is that right?

D*I*S_Frontman
Jan 8, 2003, 10:56 AM
I run my Pismo 400/1GB RAM with the lid closed 99% of the time. Pro Apple keyboard, optical mouse, and a junky old hp 1024 x 768 monitor. Works great. Took the laptop to my mom's place and hooked up her 21" monitor to it--ran perfectly @ 1280 x 1024 and took all of 30 seconds to configure.

I have been tempted to do the Powerlogix/Newertech G4 upgrade, but for what I use it for (email, web, spreadsheet/db/word processing) it performs flawlessly. When I make my forays into audio production again (once AU gets universally adopted and all the plug-ins go OS X native), I will probably splurge on a 17" AlBook.

Once you've been bitten by the portable bug, there is no cure. Having access to everything you run on your system perfectly configured wherever you go is a powerful asset, and the productivity gains for many people are worth the cost/performance tradeoffs.

Of course, when the 17" AlBook ships with dual IBM 970's, 120GB drive and 4 GB RAM capacity (next year, fingers crossed!) the performance tradeoff won't matter. Once I can mix 48+ tracks @ 96k/24bit, anything beyond that is overkill only bats and dogs could hear the difference in.

Apple should buy out Magma and Apple brand their CardBus PCI expansion boxes, BTW. Then desktops might truly be dead...

moosecat
Jan 8, 2003, 11:28 AM
I've never understood why the docking station idea has not taken off, especially now that you can cram abundant computing power and storage into a tiny notebook. Seems to me it's the best of both worlds (except, of course, for cost).

I would love the 12" PowerBook along with an integrated docking station solution. I could (if I had more money, at least), have a 23" display at home, a compact 12" display on the road, and never have to worry about synchronizing between two computers, or garbage like that. Mmmm.... Sounds yummy.

jettredmont
Jan 8, 2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by topicolo
Desktop sales are dropping across the personal computer sector. Everybody from HP to Dell to Apple has suffered a slowed in their destop sales.
Why?
Practically everyone who's ever going to get a desktop already has one and they're pretty much fast enough that there won't be an upgrading frenzy anytime soon. Laptops haven't saturated the market like desktops yet.
That's partly why Apple's focusing on laptops. Another reason is that Apple usually makes more money on laptops than with them stale ol' desktops (better margins).

IMHO, the #1 reason Apple is emphasizing laptops this year is that their strengths match well against the laptop form factor, nd their weaknesses aren't as damaging there.

The G4/G3 PPCs are low-power (good for laptops) but relatively underpowered (okay for laptops because the competition sticks with underpowered chips to offset Intel's power hungry nature, bad for desktops where few real consumers care about how much power their CPU sucks up and how much heat it puts off). Aside from the CPU, Apple has a great feel for dramatic design (far more appreciated in laptops than in desktops that are usually hidden under desks anyways) and for practical design (the Powermac enclosure is really really cool how easily you can add to it, but the average consumer doesn't care about the internals of their PC and the upgrader tends to avoid Apple for other reasons; the compactness of Apple's laptop line is universally appreciated by laptop owners). And, of course, innovations are more visible on a laptop (built in Bluetooth is inconsequential to a desktop, and how long do you think it will take before some Taiwanese company is putting out a light-up USB keyboard for any old computer out there ... oops, actually already happened, although before MacWorld and definitely less elegant than Apple's design ... cruise over to Tom's Hardware to see the ugly brute). Add to that a best-in-the-world UI and crash-proofness (much more devastating when you waste precious battery minutes rebooting your laptop than when you just have to go walk around the office while your desktop reboots), and the Apple laptop is a near-perfect machine.

Apple is emphasizing the laptop because that is the market in which it is the most competitive. And, yes, many laptop owners will get a desktop to compliment their mobile device as well, so emphasizing laptops is not a losing play for the desktop group either.

As for this changing with the 970 ... I think that the 970 will change the dynamics a bit (much more powerful CPU with not a whole lot more power consumed), but that Apple's advantage will remain in their laptops.

jettredmont
Jan 8, 2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by SPG
Until you can run a laptop with four HD's two display cards, an MPEG2 encoder card, a decoder card, over a gig of ram, SCSI connects, 4xDVD burner, zip, and a full size keyboard where you want it, I'll need to stick with my above mentioned tower setup...although that 12" ti does look real sweet for a portable...

Well, there's nothing saying all that can't be FireWire devices connected to a laptop that you can take with you when you don't need the rest of it.

But, yes, if you need a bunch of stuff attached to your computer 100% of the time, a laptop is not the way to go because by definition you are not and will never be portable and hence you take on the disadvantages of the laptop form factor while enjoying none of its advantages.

Thing is, most of the consumer world doesn't need a whole bunch of extra stuff attached to their computer all the time. For them, a laptop is a great idea (and, no, you'll never know how useful a laptop with complete wireless connectivity is until you have one ...)

jettredmont
Jan 8, 2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Kid Red


See, you forgot strudy, stronger, more durable. When you guys have kids you'll know why laptops won't replace desktops :)

Four kids (and a dog). One desktop. One laptop.

And, no, the kids are not allowed anywhere near an LCD screen ...

Still, around the house I find myself using the laptop a whole lot more than the desktop, even though the desktop has more power under the hood.

Wren
Jan 8, 2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Maclicious


I have an iBook 500, and was also going to buy in November--mainly I needed a bigger screen, but I also needed to be able to be mobile. Thank god I waited for the 17 incher! I placed the order yesterday, and now can't wait. I guess I'll have to wait until February, though; is that right?

I immediately went to the flagship store here in the West Coast @ the Grove to BUY the 17 inch Powerbook but was informed that it won't be available until Spring. I was infomed that it will take at least 2 weeks. I am on their waiting list and Im really excited! I hope you don't have to wait till February.....I already have an Airport Base station but im now thinking if i should get the Airport Extreme HA!

GeneR
Jan 8, 2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Centris 650
I use an ibook but I am currently looking at buying a powermac. While I may never NOT own a laptop I find that my wife and family need a more "stationary" computer.

Also, if laptops are the wave of the future why wasn't SJ using one during MWSF? :D (Just Kidding of course.)

I have a clam-shaped iBook and a G3 Tower. I use both 50/50. The ibook's great for on the road: writing, scheduling, etc. I use the tower for video editing using FCP, and working with visual effects.

The ibook has a dinky 6GB drive.
The G3 tower has 120GB.

So, I'm thinking: Powerbook at 60GB drive + 60GB+ (or more) at higher RPM than 4200 and I'll definitely get a Powerbook and use that fulltime.

But I have to say: I think if this happens then I still believe people will need a digital hub at home. The threat of losing all your work incase 1.) your laptop gets stolen, 2.) you lose it somewhere, or 3.) It's simply unavailable (i.e. at the repair shop) would seem to be rather crippling.

So, will desktops go away? I dunno. I wouldn't think so. I believe we need the backup if anything.

Bear
Jan 8, 2003, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by GeneR
So, will desktops go away? I dunno. I wouldn't think so. I believe we need the backup if anything.

In truth, I don't think desktops will go away either, especially since they are always likely to support more processors then a laptop could due to power and cooling requirements.

Although, in terms of your requirement for a backup machine, just keep your old laptop when you buy a new one.

Having said that, I will actually be buying a PowerMac after the next update to the product line. I need the processing power, and being able to have the extra disks internal will keep my desk area neater.

pgwalsh
Jan 8, 2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


http://www.magma.com/pci/1slot.html Very nice. Thanks for the link edvniow.

pgwalsh
Jan 8, 2003, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by JupiterZen


Wow, that was just what I was looking for. I have a Delta 1010 PCI audio card with breakout box and that was a getting in the way of my "I could get the 17''Powerbook" thoughts.

Because then I would have to buy the MOTU 828 firewire interface as well. And both the Powermac and a new audio card with 10 outputs is way over my budget ;)

Alas, the 17" Powerbook is over by budget as well at this moment. But I find myself exploring possibilities ;)

<edit>
Damn, just saw the price on those Magma things :( for that money I could just get the MOTU 828 and sell my Delta 1010.
</edit>
I have the delta 1010 as well and I liked Magma's solution until I looked at the price of the 4 slot bay. yeish. They're not cheap.

yosoyjay
Jan 8, 2003, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Dignan
Why desktops are better -> Brighter screens, Bigger screens.

Thats all I need.

Use an external screen

Chomolungma
Jan 8, 2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by yosoyjay


Use an external screen

I use my TiBook at home, on the train, in the office, but in the sequencing lab PM macs do data crunching and machine monitoring. Data analysis will always requires more computing power, and I can't see desktop disappearing from my lab anytime soon. Our greenhouse microclimate machines can be monitor at home or office (a big plus). Where I work desktop have pretty much disappeared in the past year.:D

JSRockit
Jan 8, 2003, 05:48 PM
Yes, laptops are the future...especially for non-power-users (and even for some power users). I have been desktop free for about a year...and don't think I'll be going back soon. I use my computers for audio and love the fact that I can bring it with me to make songs at a friends...instead of them having to come to me. Also, If I have to play music live, I can just bring my laptop and AI and I'm ready. However, i don't think desktops are leaving anytime soon. Real powerusers/professionals really need them.

pilotgi
Jan 8, 2003, 06:40 PM
I agree that Apple is focusing on their laptops because there's not a whole lot more they can do to the Powermac before the PPC 970 comes along. They'll probably be a few more minor upgrades quietly announced, like faster superdrives and Firewire2.

I think one of the versions of the Powermac we will see this fall is a new "cube", similar to the Shuttle mini computer. I have the SS51G as a desktop running Linux and it's great.

Agp slot so you can upgrade the graphics card anytime, and everything else is easily upgradeable also. Processor, hard drive, optical drive all can be changed out is a few minutes.

Usb 2.0 and firewire with connectors in the front and rear, and built in lan.

I'll probably upgrade to a dvd burner when they come down below $200.

Apple could do the same thing with a new cube

trebblekicked
Jan 11, 2003, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by JSRockit
Yes, laptops are the future...especially for non-power-users (and even for some power users).

it's almost scary how powerful these tibooks and alubooks are. i guess i'm a "power" user (i do video compositing, editing, dvd authoring [which includes a little graphics work]), so my machines get a good workout everyday. i've abused a quicksilver 867 for a year and a half and it's still in pristine condition. but what surprises me is the tibook i bought in december. the hard drive speed (4200 RPM?!) scared the bejesus out of me, but it has passed every test i gave it. DV video captures of eleven and fourteen minutes, batch captures totaling twenty five minutes, exports of half and hour+ and not one single dropped frame, no audio drift, nothing. I did a 29 layer composition in AE and it crunched it no problem.
i still love the feel of my desktop system, but there is very little it can do that my tibook can't (especially considering that matrox won't release an os-x version of rtmac- what good is a pci slot if you don't have a useable pci- card?).

alset
Jan 11, 2003, 03:18 AM
While it seems certain that computers will continue to shrink, I don't believe that laptops will replace them. There is simply no way to pack as much power into a portable device while remaining efficient regarding energy and battery life. This is not to mention that a large population of frequent computer buyers are those more technically excited by the machines. As such, the need for easy expansion will always remain constant.

Dan

JupiterZen
Jan 11, 2003, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Chomolungma


I use my TiBook at home, on the train, in the office, but in the sequencing lab PM macs do data crunching and machine monitoring. Data analysis will always requires more computing power, and I can't see desktop disappearing from my lab anytime soon. Our greenhouse microclimate machines can be monitor at home or office (a big plus). Where I work desktop have pretty much disappeared in the past year.:D

I think that in situations like this, the crunching power will move to server farms that you access remotely through "thin" clients. These clients can be iMac like machines or loptops with Terminal Server like interfaces to the servers. Apple has already made something called Remote Desktop, right?

No numming and zooming right next to you. And possibly more crunching power at your disposal, this way.

mmmdreg
Jan 11, 2003, 05:27 AM
perhaps one day, laptops could be like portable inner cores of computers that can be plugged into a dock which is connected to a real keyboard, speakers, a real monitor and perhaps more harddrives so it's more like a desktop and perhaps even a technology that allows there to be memory slots and more processor power in the dock itself and its all combined to become a powerful desktop and then when you need the laptop as a laptop, you just unplug it and it becomes less powerful with less features sacrificed for the portability aspect and you just take all your essential files on the internal harddrive and leave the others in the dock

JSRockit
Jan 11, 2003, 09:02 AM
Are laptops the future? Of course they are...and desktops...and some other hybrid nonsense...it isn't going to stop at laptops.

benixau
Jan 11, 2003, 12:52 PM
those hybrid thingys exist. but they re overpriced and underpowered. even by pc standards.

when they come they will be like notebooks.

first for showoffs
then for big buisnesses only
then for those of use without a buiesness check account.

JSRockit
Jan 11, 2003, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by benixau
those hybrid thingys exist. but they re overpriced and underpowered. even by pc standards.

when they come they will be like notebooks.

first for showoffs
then for big buisnesses only
then for those of use without a buiesness check account.

What hybrids? show me one...please.

benixau
Jan 11, 2003, 12:58 PM
look around some of the bigger pc makers web sites.

i have a photo in a mag i have (from the dark ages) but my scanner (Canon FB630u) is unsupported in jag.

effectively they are laptops where the screen is folede back to 180 with the laptop. the kb then flips forward and a little stand flips out of the back and supports the screen.

problem they cost 150% of a laptop and have low end specs in them.

right now we are at the concept stage.

JSRockit
Jan 11, 2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by benixau
look around some of the bigger pc makers web sites.

i have a photo in a mag i have (from the dark ages) but my scanner (Canon FB630u) is unsupported in jag.

effectively they are laptops where the screen is folede back to 180 with the laptop. the kb then flips forward and a little stand flips out of the back and supports the screen.

problem they cost 150% of a laptop and have low end specs in them.

right now we are at the concept stage.

I look at all of the major PC websites and have never seen this. Are talking about IBM's Vista or Sony's celeron contraption? Those are just weird looking all in ones. I'd like to see the website that has what you are describing...and I'm not being a jerk...just curious.