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MUrhino
Jan 8, 2003, 05:52 PM
I was thrilled when Steve announced the new Powerbooks but I felt let down as the 15" wasn't changed at all. This is probably to get rid of the rest of the Titaniums lying around in warehouses. If the 17" ships around early February, any predictions as to when the 15" be upgraded? It seemed like an odd move, but that 17" screen is nice...a bit big and pricey for me though :rolleyes: . Thanks!

Go Macrumors! Arn you were right on!

kmac
Jan 8, 2003, 09:19 PM
Yeah, quite sad actually. After the initial excitement, I finally realized that the 12" is not of high spec, the 17" is great but it's a little too big for my need.

So I guess I'll have to wait for the 15" to be updated, which I'm guessing April or May at the earliest.

Sad. I'm all ready to give Apple a big pile of my hard earned cash.

Wyrm
Jan 8, 2003, 09:46 PM
Question is when they do decide to upgrade the 15" if they go with a nVidia like the other 2 powerbooks or stick with the ATI?
I wonder if ATI is going to mobilize the 9700... or even make the 9700 for the Mac (someone else noticed this not coming out?) - that said I hope they use more advanced nVidia chips, like the geForce Go 4200.

Having 3 in the lineup might solve the availability problems Apple always seems to have when they ramp out a new model. At least something sort of current should still be available, right?

Also, is it just me, or does the 15" still have the most watthours battery (61 or something like that?)... still it is not enough - needs at least 120 watt hours (10 hours) to remove the worry about being to far from a power main (or be useful on an international flight to Asia). For that I'd deal with another 2 pounds. Or why not be able to remove the SuperDrive and stick in a battery when power is more important than watching DVDs.

Finally - the new cool backlit keyboard and light sensors - absolute nerdy must for the new 15".

When? 6 months from November would make it around April - but since they added Powerbooks with new technology (Firewire, Bluetooth) either a quick revamp of the remaining line, or a total cancellation of the 15" would not be out of the question (that would suck). Are they still manufacturing the 15"?

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Wyrm

jaguarx
Jan 8, 2003, 10:26 PM
Dude just buy a second battery.
Sorry but the batt life is better than most and it really can't get that much better, i'm going to buy a 17" in a couple of weeks, i'm getting a second batt at the same time, problem solved.

davidc2182
Jan 9, 2003, 12:40 AM
they are probably getting ready to introduce new 15 inch powerbooks as we speak considering the ship time is 7-10 days and all other products are 1-2 days, they should release safari for pee cee, microsoft would **** itself

Wyrm
Jan 9, 2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by jaguarx
Dude just buy a second battery.
Sorry but the batt life is better than most and it really can't get that much better, i'm going to buy a 17" in a couple of weeks, i'm getting a second batt at the same time, problem solved.

Can you swap batteries on the TiBook by just putting it to sleep ie closing the cover? Or do you have to shutdown? If you can't do this, then what about a small battery just for swapping (like a reserve tank) - close cover - swap battery - all done... or can you already do this?

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Wyrm

jaguarx
Jan 9, 2003, 01:41 AM
i don't know, the last mac i owned was an LCII with OS7 ;)

Even if you have to power down, it's once a day, it doesn't worry me that much.

NicoMan
Jan 9, 2003, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by davidc2182
they are probably getting ready to introduce new 15 inch powerbooks as we speak considering the ship time is 7-10 days and all other products are 1-2 days, they should release safari for pee cee, microsoft would **** itself
I would tend to agree. I looked at the inventory too and noticed the same. The thing is (I think) Apple need to get the 2 AlBook rolling. Once those are delivered with low shipping times then they will update the 15", I feel. Therefore I'd say we will see an update before mid/end of february (when the 17" start shipping in volumes...).

Now, like a few other people I am puzzled by Apple's choice of graphics cards for the 2 new Powerbooks. For the life of me I can't figure that one out...

NicoMan

agreenster
Jan 9, 2003, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Wyrm


Can you swap batteries on the TiBook by just putting it to sleep ie closing the cover? Or do you have to shutdown? If you can't do this, then what about a small battery just for swapping (like a reserve tank) - close cover - swap battery - all done... or can you already do this?

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Wyrm

Yes, this can be done on current Powerbooks. You have like, 30 seconds or something between batteries when swapping. I do this occasionally on long flights when watching movies or whatever.

However, I dont recommend closing the lid when the Ti is hot--the power button tends to singe the screen.......:(

jaguarx
Jan 9, 2003, 03:08 PM
However, I dont recommend closing the lid when the Ti is hot--the power button tends to singe the screen...... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

MR Lurker
Jan 9, 2003, 04:32 PM
This story was in today's Register. It may explain why Apple has chosen Nvidia for the graphics cards in the new PowerBooks.

Nvidia targets Mac games users
By gamesindustry.biz
Posted: 09/01/2003 at 10:43 GMT

Nvidia is muscling its way onto the packaging of a significant number of games for the Mac platform. Unlike the array of PC publishers and developers - who must be wooed individually – the Mac gaming software community is close-knit and means that Nvidia's “The Way It's Meant to Be Played” logo will get a lot of exposure.

Nvidia has managed this feat by teaming up with Mac publisher Aspyr. You may not recognise the name, but a quick trip to Aspyr.com will give you an idea of the size and girth of their product catalogue. Everything from Deus Ex, Medal Of Honor and every Star Wars game you can think of to The Sims, Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater and even Tomb Raider are available on the Mac thanks to Aspyr – and although the Nvidia logo will appear only on "selected" packaging, those titles handpicked will surely be the cream of the crop.

pgulliver
Jan 9, 2003, 07:05 PM
I was ready to buy a 15" PB last week, thank god I waited. It will be my first Mac.

Historically, how much time has gone from revamping part of a product line (12/17") and revamping the remaining products? I'd love to wait and an "updated" 15" model, but I can't continually put off my purchase hoping something better comes over the horizon.

Anyway...I know we are just speculating, but I don't really know the history of Apple product releases and the type of schedules they adhear to, so I thought I'd run it by you all.

Peter

zoetropeuk
Jan 11, 2003, 09:34 AM
I think Apple already has the 15.4" AiBook ready to roll. I can't find the link but the company making the 17" LCD is already producing a 15.4".
I also don't believe Apple intended to release a 15.2" Superdrive and only did so to try and clear out the inventory to be able to announce the 15.4" at MWSF. There is no way Apple could position the current 15.2 TiPB's if a 15.4" AiPB was released at MWSF. How could they price it ? To make it cheap enough so that the 15.4 was not an option would take away the majority of sales from the 12" AiPB.
I think that as soon as the 15.2" TiPB's are gone than we will see the 15.4" AiPB

I have no proof of this but it stands to reason from Apple's past performances !!!!!!

JSRockit
Jan 11, 2003, 11:24 AM
It has to be something like that.

Sakino
Jan 11, 2003, 11:39 AM
I am in a tough situation, because I leave for school next week and expected to buy a laptop. I already have a damn nice desktop, but I wanted to buy my first apple. My choice was going to be the 15inch pb until they released the 12 and 17. Both of those do not fit my needs for around campus. My choice is either to wait for the new 15 inch pb to hit the shelves and order it that night, or buy the current ones. I would hate to go off wasting my money on a pb that is going to be updated a couple of weeks later.

My input, although I dont know much about apple. Apple was running their promotion on ram for quite some time, and that is finally over. I'm sure that cleared up a lot of the ram used for the 15 inch pb, and now they are waiting a little while longer until part of the invantory goes out the door. Although I feel it wont, because a lot of people like me are probably going to end up sitting this one out and pray for it to come in FEB sometime.

JSRockit
Jan 11, 2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Sakino
I am in a tough situation, because I leave for school next week and expected to buy a laptop. I already have a damn nice desktop, but I wanted to buy my first apple. My choice was going to be the 15inch pb until they released the 12 and 17. Both of those do not fit my needs for around campus. My choice is either to wait for the new 15 inch pb to hit the shelves and order it that night, or buy the current ones. I would hate to go off wasting my money on a pb that is going to be updated a couple of weeks later.

My input, although I dont know much about apple. Apple was running their promotion on ram for quite some time, and that is finally over. I'm sure that cleared up a lot of the ram used for the 15 inch pb, and now they are waiting a little while longer until part of the invantory goes out the door. Although I feel it wont, because a lot of people like me are probably going to end up sitting this one out and pray for it to come in FEB sometime.

Sounds like you made your own decision.

rideahyperLite
Jan 12, 2003, 03:25 AM
what do u think the specs of the new 15" pb will be? similar to the 17? cuz i am gonna get a new laptop but i only get one like every eight years so i want to get the nuttiest one. if size really isnt a problem do u think that i should just get a 17 now or wait for the updated 15?

jaguarx
Jan 12, 2003, 05:31 AM
I'm tossing it up too.
Personally i've said stuffit, i'm getting the 17". I want a desktop replacement and i'm not keen to wait any longer.

benixau
Jan 12, 2003, 08:52 AM
i dont like the price of the 17" i dont need fwire 800. i need a PC Card slot. i need airport.

therefore i need an AlumiBook. BUT i need one that has a backpackable screen. and a gig or RAM.

i think i know when i am going to buy. 15" AlumiBook, come ot daddy --- please :'(

Sakino
Jan 12, 2003, 10:58 AM
I talked with a guy at an apple store yesterday about the 15 inch pb. He said they might release some info late in Jan, or Feb about their plans. So hopefully they are letting their inventory go out the door, and making starting to stock up on the new 15 inch pbs.

ofey
Jan 12, 2003, 11:11 AM
I've only had my present 15" PowerBook G4 1GHz for someting like 3 months and being a recent switcher (my first mac though was one I used in my research lab: a desktop PowerMac G3 running OS9.2), I've gotten off to a very nice start on it. About the possibility of a new PowerBook in Febuary, I'm not really very excited as I would have a real problem then, the DESIRE of getting the new one *Maybe Apple could help with trade-ins? (just a thought)*.

I agree with most that the backlit keyboard, airport extreme and built in bluetooth would attract me greatly to upgrading but then again if the new Al PowerBook 15" changes its form factor and has the ports round the side of it, I doubt I'd be very happy. It would take the shine off the design. The brilliant thing about the present design is that the ports are at the back and you don't see the clutter of wires coming out from it and I do have quite a few from my digital camera, mouse (when I'm on my desk), Palm, ethernet cable(though this will be discounted as I'll get the airport base) and Power. If all these switched to the side *thought is too much to bear*. I don't mind the new 15" being the same thickness as this release and not going thinner but PLEASE keep the ports nice and neat at the rear of the PowerBook where it's out of sight?

will
Jan 12, 2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by ofey
I don't mind the new 15" being the same thickness as this release and not going thinner but PLEASE keep the ports nice and neat at the rear of the PowerBook where it's out of sight?

I disagree ports on the side are easier to access which is more important to me than aesthetics.

JSRockit
Jan 12, 2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by benixau
i dont like the price of the 17" i dont need fwire 800. i need a PC Card slot. i need airport.

therefore i need an AlumiBook. BUT i need one that has a backpackable screen. and a gig or RAM.

i think i know when i am going to buy. 15" AlumiBook, come ot daddy --- please :'(

Yep...you better wait then... max ram of 640mb on the 12" pBook and the 17" will not fit in any normal carry bag.

krohde
Jan 12, 2003, 06:48 PM
My god. now im really in a dilemma. my parents were so nice as to give me a powerbook as a graduation present in september 2002 however, i have yet to order it because in september the november update was already rumored and then came the january rumors and now the update for a 15" AlBook. i think the 17" is too big for my use. i am now at college (with my brothers g3 PB 400mhz - quite slow to be honest) and i am desperately waiting for some info from reliable sources about new updated powerbooks and release dates. I also think, to follow some of apple's release history, that an updated 15" PB is going for mid february. the only thing is i have now waited for so long that i am almost desperate for a new computer. unfortunately the AlBook is not going to be released before (in europe) "late march" which really sucks and on the other hand leads me to believe that they wont update the 15" powerbook until april or may, hell even MWNY (btw are they going to that?).
What do you guys think???

Thanks

JSRockit
Jan 12, 2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by krohde
My god. now im really in a dilemma. my parents were so nice as to give me a powerbook as a graduation present in september 2002 however, i have yet to order it because in september the november update was already rumored and then came the january rumors and now the update for a 15" AlBook. i think the 17" is too big for my use. i am now at college (with my brothers g3 PB 400mhz - quite slow to be honest) and i am desperately waiting for some info from reliable sources about new updated powerbooks and release dates. I also think, to follow some of apple's release history, that an updated 15" PB is going for mid february. the only thing is i have now waited for so long that i am almost desperate for a new computer. unfortunately the AlBook is not going to be released before (in europe) "late march" which really sucks and on the other hand leads me to believe that they wont update the 15" powerbook until april or may, hell even MWNY (btw are they going to that?).
What do you guys think???

Thanks

I don't know how you waited after November...I would've bought at that point.

t^3
Jan 12, 2003, 11:41 PM
If there is going to be a 15" AlBook, its ports will definitely be on the side, since the way the hinge is designed, when you lift up the screen, the area where the ports are on the TiBook will be blocked. But what I'm wondering about is if there will be enough space for the ports, since the 15" version is definitely not going to be as deep as the 17" (currently by 0.7in), and judging from pictures of the 17", there is little if any extra space, considering there needs to be room for the HD and SuperDrive. I suppose they could put the FireWire and USB ports vertically, but would this be enough?

Gelfin
Jan 13, 2003, 12:11 AM
Two non-exclusive possibilities:

One, they already have an investment, commitments to suppliers and distributors, established processes and so forth associated with the existing 15" TiBook. It's going to cost them to rework the 15" PB, which is an unnecessary risk at this time.

Two, the new PBs will not boot into Classic. Quark is not yet out for OS X. They need to have at least one model that still boots Classic, at least for a little while.

rideahyperLite
Jan 13, 2003, 12:28 AM
do you think they will make the updated 15" any faster or just give it the same specs as the 17"?

cr2sh
Jan 13, 2003, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Gelfin
They need to have at least one model that still boots Classic, at least for a little while.

Quite right... a great observation! As much as they want to, they can't close that casket lid yet, not while their users still have their hands inside. I've been fumbling back and forth between os9 and osX for some time now but with this upgrade it's really time to drop os9 completelly. Music applications will have to be repurchased, files copied, and the future dealt with. The 17" is so choice and I think it will be later than February till we get the 15" AlBook.

I've always kind of enjoyed the fresh-start idea with a new computer purchase.. this is the real deal too!

zebi
Jan 13, 2003, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by zoetropeuk
I think Apple already has the 15.4" AiBook ready to roll. I can't find the link but the company making the 17" LCD is already producing a 15.4".
I also don't believe Apple intended to release a 15.2" Superdrive and only did so to try and clear out the inventory to be able to announce the 15.4" at MWSF. There is no way Apple could position the current 15.2 TiPB's if a 15.4" AiPB was released at MWSF. How could they price it ? To make it cheap enough so that the 15.4 was not an option would take away the majority of sales from the 12" AiPB.
I think that as soon as the 15.2" TiPB's are gone than we will see the 15.4" AiPB

I have no proof of this but it stands to reason from Apple's past performances !!!!!!

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/01/09&pages=01&seq=1

rideahyperLite
Jan 13, 2003, 12:46 PM
hmm.. but that doesnt say anything about the 15.2" stopping production.

so the 17" will be available sometime in feb? any specific dates?

cr2sh
Jan 13, 2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by zebi
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/01/09&pages=01&seq=1

I can't see that link being up for much longer... at least now we know....

JSRockit
Jan 13, 2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by rideahyperLite
hmm.. but that doesnt say anything about the 15.2" stopping production.


I would think if the same company that is making the 17" powerbook is listed as making a 15.4" powerbook...the TiBook will be end of the line.

Talon1138
Jan 14, 2003, 10:40 PM
I like the sound of april/may rollout because it won't make me feel so bad that I bought a TiBook 1 Ghz right before macworld only to have it updated only a month later.

But come on apple, you gotta make the "old" TiBooks upgradeable to airport extreme. Otherwise, this whole deal is pretty cheap.

doood
Jan 16, 2003, 09:41 AM
My 15" PB finally shipped today. I ordered it before MW, I've been waiting over 2 weeks for it already. I was tempted to switch to the 17", but didn't want to wait another 2 months, I need it now (actually, I needed it two weeks ago when I ordered it). I wish they had updated the 15" too (2x dvd would be nice, as would fast bus and HD and improved airport), however I would have been really pissed if I'd had to wait two months for it.

I'll be a little jealous if they update it two weeks from now, but the changes don't really affect the system enough for it to be worth the wait (unless you for some reason really need 802.11g or FW800 right now - which I doubt - your internet connection isn't faster than the 802.11b, and you don't have any FW800 devices).

cr2sh
Jan 16, 2003, 10:37 AM
What rotation speed are the powerbook drives? They make a 7200 2.5" don't they?

t^3
Jan 16, 2003, 12:23 PM
All the laptop drives are now 4200rpm. Apple used to have an option for a 5400rpm drive in the PB's, but recently took that out. 7200rpm laptop drives aren't for sale yet, but IBM (actually Hitachi now) recently announced that they will be releasing a 7200rpm drive with capacities up to 80GB sometime the 1st half of the year.

Sakino
Jan 16, 2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by doood


I'll be a little jealous if they update it two weeks from now, but the changes don't really affect the system enough for it to be worth the wait (unless you for some reason really need 802.11g or FW800 right now - which I doubt - your internet connection isn't faster than the 802.11b, and you don't have any FW800 devices).

I think the ram makes a world of a difference, along with the the new case.

krohde
Jan 16, 2003, 06:09 PM
could someone please tell me what is different about the "new" superdrive in the new 17" AlBook. some people say its faster but i cant find the information to support this on the apple website. where do you get this from?

Thanks

JSRockit
Jan 16, 2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by krohde
could someone please tell me what is different about the "new" superdrive in the new 17" AlBook. some people say its faster but i cant find the information to support this on the apple website. where do you get this from?

Thanks

I don't think it is...or Jobs would have blabbed about that as well at the keynote.

Over Achiever
Jan 16, 2003, 06:37 PM
I think the "faster" superdrive in reality is simply the same drive with newer firmware. The superdrive in the powerbook is a quite capable drive I've heard, and it can be capable of good speeds. But until someone have work out a firmware fix that lets the drive spin at it's full potential, then that'll be awesome.

Anyway, I'm gonna look at the MacNN thread I got this info from, and give to full specs of the drive.

doood
Jan 16, 2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by krohde
could someone please tell me what is different about the "new" superdrive in the new 17" AlBook. some people say its faster but i cant find the information to support this on the apple website. where do you get this from?

Thanks

If you look at the technical spec's .pdf on the 17", it says it burns DVD's at 2X. I'm pretty jealous of that actually, not quite enough to wait 2-3 months for my powerbook though.

JSRockit
Jan 16, 2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by doood


If you look at the technical spec's .pdf on the 17", it says it burns DVD's at 2X. I'm pretty jealous of that actually, not quite enough to wait 2-3 months for my powerbook though.

That is awesome...how about the 12"?

Over Achiever
Jan 16, 2003, 07:07 PM
Ok...the full potential of the Superdrive:

• CD-R write 16x
• CD-RW write 4x
• CD-ROM read 24x
• DVD-R write 2x
• DVD-RW write 1x
• DVD-RAM write 2x
• DVD-ROM read 8x

Here's the pic that I confirmed it with:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20021002/ct5_35.jpg

JSRockit
Jan 16, 2003, 07:08 PM
Yep...just read all of the PDFs...2X in the 17" only...that sucks...slap one in the 12". 1X is useless.

Over Achiever
Jan 16, 2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by JSRockit
That is awesome...how about the 12"?

1x DVD-R, 8x DVD-ROM (read)
8x CD-R, 4x CD-RW, 24x CD-ROM (read)

rideahyperLite
Jan 16, 2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Over Achiever
Ok...the full potential of the Superdrive:

• CD-R write 16x
• CD-RW write 4x
• CD-ROM read 24x
• DVD-R write 2x
• DVD-RW write 1x
• DVD-RAM write 2x
• DVD-ROM read 8x



thats strange beacuse on the apple website under specs for the powerbook it says:

"- SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 1x speed; reads DVDs at 8x speed; writes CD-R discs at 8x speed; writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed; reads CDs at 24x speed (15-inch and 17-inch models) "

but then in the spec sheet it doesn't mention the dvd-rw or dvd-ram and it states that the drive only writes cd-r at 8x:

". Slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
. Writes DVD-R discs at 2x speed; reads DVDs
at 6x speed
. Writes CD-R discs at 8x speed; writes CD-RW
discs at 4x speed
. Reads CDs at 24x speed"

hopefully apple just put the wrong specs on their website and pfd.

-wait look at the picture in the upper left hand corner. it says prototype. so does this mean that it is not currently in the new powerbooks and that it may be in the future? or am i just stupid?

Over Achiever
Jan 16, 2003, 11:00 PM
I said the "full potential" not what the specs actually are...this pic was taken before the superdrive powerbooks were released. These were displayed by Panasonic...and yes prototypes. However, I don't see the prototypes being less capable then the final drive.

I was just trying to explain why the DVD-R burns at 2x in the 17" powerbook rather than 1x in the 15" powerbook, even if its the same drive. The drive is capable of 2x DVD-R burning, but it seems that the firmware in the 15" pb only allows 1x burning. Obviously the 17" doesn't have that 1x limitation.

I think the drive is very capable...just that the firmware doesn't let it live to its potential.

Over Achiever
Jan 17, 2003, 03:03 PM
Ok...it seems that Apple [i]might[i] have made a mistake with the 2x DVD-R burning of the 17" powerbook. If so, this is one MAJOR typo.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140978

If this is true, then the fact that the tech specs page (http://www.apple.com/powerbook/specs) shows the superdrive for the 15" and the 17" powerbooks as having the same speed (they lumped them together) may actually be the correct spec. As of right now, the main 17" powerbook page still shows 2x DVD-R burning, and so does the pdf file. Apparently that is about to change :(.

Only time will tell folks.



Anyway, this is what it says on the tech specs web page:
Slot-loading optical drive
- Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW); reads DVDs at 8x speed; writes CD-R discs at 24x speed; writes CD-RW discs at 10x speed; reads CDs at 24x speed (12-inch model)
- Optional SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 1x speed; reads DVDs at 8x speed; writes CD-R discs at 8x speed; writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed; reads CDs at 24x speed (12-inch model)
- Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW); reads DVDs at 8x speed; writes CD-R and CD-RW discs at 8x speed; reads CDs at 24x speed (15-inch models)
- SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 1x speed; reads DVDs at 8x speed; writes CD-R discs at 8x speed; writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed; reads CDs at 24x speed (15-inch and 17-inch models)

orangefoodie
Jan 17, 2003, 11:59 PM
One question about this whole firmware limiting the speed of the Superdrive: WHY?

I simply don't understand why they can't develop a decent piece of firmware to support the physical capabilities of the drive - and I'm sure that it'd be better for Apple too, advertising the fast speed of their marvelous Superdrive...

Over Achiever
Jan 18, 2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Over Achiever
Ok...the full potential of the Superdrive:

• CD-R write 16x
• CD-RW write 4x
• CD-ROM read 24x
• DVD-R write 2x
• DVD-RW write 1x
• DVD-RAM write 2x
• DVD-ROM read 8x

Here's the pic that I confirmed it with:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20021002/ct5_35.jpg

Well, looks like MCE is offering an upgrade for previous versions to upgrade to a superdrive. Ironically enough it seems to have the specs I had given above, the "full potential" of the superdrives, including the 16x CD-R write and 1x DVD-RW write.

Interesting.

http://www.mcetech.com/sdpbg4.html