Mac Viiv at Macworld Expo 2006?

[MacRumors]

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Ynet.co.ul (http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3194865,00.html) (Hebrew) posts about Apple utilizing the Viiv platform for an upcoming computer:

...According to rumors, Intel will introduce on Sunday for the first time its new VIIV technology. Apple computers deniced rumors that they will introduce the first intel based laptops in the CES show. However, a source close to Apple agreed to confirm off the record that a first Mac computer based on the VIIV technology will be introduced this coming Monday at the Macworld Expo 2006...

There have been previous suggestions (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/12/20051204233043.shtml) that Apple would be using the Viiv platform.

[iGary]

Christ, is it Monday yet?

[Mac_Freak]

Christ, is it Monday yet?
Isn't the Steve's Keynote on Tuesday?

[otter-boy]

Christ, is it Monday yet?

Is it Tuesday yet? I mean, that's when the keynote is right?

edit: Hey Mac_Freak, how'd your comment get up ahead of mine (or mine get below yours--semantics)? The first time I looked, it was just iGary and I who had posted--strange. Good point either way though.

[odedia]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due? I sent you guys this link + translated quote a few days ago. A simple credit to odedia would have been nice.

Anyways, I hope this is indeed correct.

And by the way, it's www.ynet.co.il, not www.ynet.co.ul.

Oded S.

[Peace]

According to Intel.The ViiV platform requires MS Windows Media Edition
http://www.intel.com/products/viiv/description.htm

[RichP]

According to Intel.The ViiV platform requires MS Windows Media Edition
http://www.intel.com/products/viiv/description.htm

Of course it does, Media Edition is the only software currently available that works on the platform.

[iGary]

Yeah, is it fricking Tuesday yet? :D

[dwwd]

Good site to train my hebrew... if it had nekudot would be a lot better ;-)

Daniel

[brepublican]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due? I sent you guys this link + translated quote a few days ago. A simple credit to odedia would have been nice.
Oop. Somebody got served.

*Raps Macrumors on the knuckles* Bad boy! Bad!

Busting chops today. Ask anyone :rolleyes:

[otter-boy]

According to Intel.The ViiV platform requires MS Windows Media Edition
http://www.intel.com/products/viiv/description.htm

Maybe they're just keeping their lips sealed on Apple/ViiV.

More likely, Apple will use the ViiV tech from Intel (while using their own DRM instead of Windows DRM--which the rest of the partners will depend on) without calling the whole package ViiV.

[iGary]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due? I sent you guys this link + translated quote a few days ago. A simple credit to odedia would have been nice.

Anyways, I hope this is indeed correct.

And by the way, it's www.ynet.co.il, not www.ynet.co.ul.

Oded S.

Oh calm down. :rolleyes:

*here's a lolly*

[Voidness]

I wouldn't be surprised. I guess you'll see everything Intel® (Leap Ahead™) on Macs, but let's hope we don't see their graphics chips, yet worse, their stickers! :eek:

[Peace]

There may be a "media package" with the new MacIntels but you have to understand what ViiV is exactly..

ViiV is designed for PeeCee's.Period

For any PeeCee it requires the Intel Chipsets for ViiV.Which includes the ONBOARD graphics chipset..

And I can guarantee you Apple will NOT have that onboard graphics in ANY Mac.

How do I know?

I just do;)


now...Vingle
Thats a different story..

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

now...Vingle
Thats a different story..

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1321
A final filing is more vague, describing Vingle as "Computers; computer hardware; computer peripherals; hand held computers; computer terminals; personal digital assistants; electronic organizers; electronic notepads; apparatus for recording, transmission and reproduction of sounds, images, or other data; portable and handheld digital electronic devices for recording, organizing, transmitting, manipulating, and reviewing audio, video and still images files; magnetic data carriers; mobile digital electronic devices; telephones; computer gaming machines; monitors, displays, keyboards, cables, modems, printers, videophones, disk drives; cameras; computer software; computer software for use in authoring, downloading, transmitting, receiving, editing, extracting, encoding, decoding, playing, storing and organizing audio, video and still images; computer software for DVD authoring; prerecorded computer programs for personal information management; database management software; computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases; blank computer and consumer electronic storage media; computer and electronic games; user manuals sold as a unit with the aforementioned goods"

hmmm......


now...Vingle
Thats a different story..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viiv
Obviously, this isnt all the information, but it makes no refferance to onboard graphics.

[BRLawyer]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due? I sent you guys this link + translated quote a few days ago. A simple credit to odedia would have been nice.

Anyways, I hope this is indeed correct.

And by the way, it's www.ynet.co.il, not www.ynet.co.ul.

Oded S.

Credit for showing us a link? What if they got it from other sources? Some people are way too sensitive, damn...

[arn]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due? I sent you guys this link + translated quote a few days ago. A simple credit to odedia would have been nice.

Anyways, I hope this is indeed correct.

And by the way, it's www.ynet.co.il, not www.ynet.co.ul.

Oded S.

Hey odedia. You are credited on the story. "Submitted by odedia"

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060106150759.shtml

We appreciate it,
arn

[otter-boy]

There may be a "media package" with the new MacIntels but you have to understand what ViiV is exactly..

ViiV is designed for PeeCee's.Period

For any PeeCee it requires the Intel Chipsets for ViiV.Which includes the ONBOARD graphics chipset..

And I can guarantee you Apple will NOT have that onboard graphics in ANY Mac.

How do I know?

I just do;)


now...Vingle
Thats a different story..


From what I've read, Intel's new onboard graphics chips will work with any additional graphics chips that are installed in the computer (instead of switching off or bypassing the integrated graphics chips as some computers do now). Or at least it will be an option for their onboard graphics to function in addition to other graphics chips/boards.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

From what I've read, Intel's new onboard graphics chips will work with any additional graphics chips that are installed in the computer (instead of switching off or bypassing the integrated graphics chips as some computers do now). Or at least it will be an option for their onboard graphics to function in addition to other graphics chips/boards.
Can you put that into english for me. lol

[steve_hill4]

Of course it does, Media Edition is the only software currently available that works on the platform.
As I stated a while back, I know somebody currently taking a sandwich year at Uni working for Intel. When he mentioned ViiV and I suggested the Mac Mini, he looked surprised and said it would be a completely different thing. As I said at the time, either he was telling the truth, or he is a very convincing actor, (especially given employees are probably coached in acting under their non disclosure agreement).

From what I have seen and read, it appears these boxes with ViiV processors will be exclusively be running WMC and designed purely for media, not as computers at all. They will connected up to TVs replacing DVD players, DVRs and the numerous other boxes we currently posess.

[nagromme]

If anyone wants to explain WHAT exactly Viiv is, accurately and simply, in 20 words or less, I will be eternally grateful.

Even AFTER Intel unveiled Viiv officially, I still only feel like I grasp certain bits of it. I can repeat the sentences I've read but I still don't feel like I have the whole picture. They'd better hope most consumers understand it more easily than I do, or Viiv is a doomed branding effort :o

And for the record, I expect Apple to use some elements of Viiv, but not Viiv per se. Purely a guess though :)

[arn]

Even AFTER Intel unveiled Viiv officially, I still only feel like I grasp certain bits of it. I can repeat the sentences I've read but I still don't feel like I have the whole picture. They'd better hope most consumers understand it more easily than I do, or Viiv is a doomed branding effort :o


seems more of a catch phrase/marketing term more than anything... but is a standardized set of hardware aimed at providing DVR/home media center functionality.

arn

[otter-boy]

If anyone wants to explain WHAT exactly VIIV is, accurately and simply, in 20 words or less, I will be eternally grateful.

Even AFTER Intel unveiled VIIV officially, I still only feel like I grasp certain bits of it. I can repeat the sentences I've read but I still don't feel like I have the whole picture. They'd better hope most consumers understand it more easily than I do, or Viiv is a doomed branding effort :o

And for the record, I expect Apple to use some elements of Viiv, but not Viiv per se. Purely a guess though :)


Here's a try: ViiV is a brand that is meant to assure customers that they can get a certain experience (such as 7.1 surround sound) on approved hardware using approved media (BD, etc.).

sorry, 30 words

Both players and media will be marked to show compliance with the ViiV standard/branding/marchitecture.

Other included technologies are hig-def video and secure data transfer for media (i.e. the content owner defines the rights you will have to your data, preventing piracy and a whole slew of previously legal uses of your property, such as transferring music to an iPod). edit: it's not the technology that will make the uses illegal, but the use of additional rights management code, the circumvention of which is outlawed by the DMCA.

[runninmac]

According to Intel.The ViiV platform requires MS Windows Media Edition
http://www.intel.com/products/viiv/description.htm

Thats why it says "Mac" Viiv...

Oh I really hope something like this does come out for the Mac! I have been wanting a computer with DVR functionality for quite a while and a Mac DVR would just float my boat

Oh edit:
From Peace: now...Vingle
Thats a different story..

Oh that does sound good... more like the Mac version of Viiv

[plinkoman]

am i the only one who thinks that Viiv is the most retarded name on earth?

[thejadedmonkey]

am i the only one who thinks that Viiv is the most retarded name on earth?

No, plinkoman is the most retarded name on earth :-p

j/k now, I completely agree with you though, Viiv is soooooo weird!

[Peace]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viiv
Obviously, this isnt all the information, but it makes no refferance to onboard graphics.


Try reading Intels specs

[nagromme]

Here's a try: ViiV is a brand that is meant to assure customers that they can get a certain experience (such as 7.1 surround sound) on approved hardware using approved media (BD, etc.).

That's about the vague level I was at :o So it's simply a list of specs that, if you meet them all, allows you to buy a Viiv logo?

Like if I said, "anybody who puts 1GB RAM, 100 GB HD, and Zip compression software on a machine qualifies to buy my NagrommaticPowerStorij sticker."

Is there anything more to Viiv than that? (Other than the fact some of the specs call for Intel chips?) I'm not down on Viiv, I just don't understand it enough to be "up" on it!


EDIT: my NagrommaticPowerStorij program is now available to everyone. I felt that requiring 100GB HD was too limiting to users. Price: $2000. I will email you a PDF of the sticker. Get your own sticker paper.

[arkmannj]

OK so VIIV is a set of standards to "aspire" to.
is it also a processor ? and if so is it designed to be a "CPU" of sorts for the device it's in. or is it a sort of "coprocessor" (not MMX per se') kind of like the "physics processors" you hear about now and then that will help games, 3d modelers etc.

and why would (or wouldn't) ViiV be great to have in a mac (Any model, be it mac mini, imac, or powermac)

thanks in advance, I'm really just trying to get up to speed on this.

[emutree]

I wish it was pronounced "Veeve" like I used to think it was. Sounds so much cooler than the actual "rhymes with five" name.

[jaw04005]

VIIV is just like Centrino is to the mobile market, a branding that manufacturers that use certain Intel chipsets, processors, additional hardware (audio, DVR) and Windows Media Center 2005 can place on their products. I'm sure Intel will launch a massive marketing campaign for VIIV (again like Centrino) and manufacturers that produce VIIV computers can tie into it (and ride Intel's marketing wave).

I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is no way that these VIIV PC's are going to rely solely on Intel's Integrated Graphics technology.

Update: Apparently a TV tuner and Remote is not required to qualify for VIIV since Intel added those options to a their disclaimer also.

Requirements (from Intel's web site):

Processors
Intel® Pentium® D processor ›
Intel® Core™ Duo processor ›
Intel® Pentium® processor Extreme Edition ›

Chipsets
Intel® 975X Express Chipset ›
Intel® 955X Express Chipset ›
Intel® 945G Express Chipset ›
Intel® 945P Express Chipset ›
Intel® 945GT Express Chipset ›
Mobile Intel® 945GM Express Chipset ›

LAN
Intel® PRO/1000 PM Network Connection ›
Intel® PRO/100 VE Network Connection ›
Intel® PRO/100 VM Network Connection ›

And of course the disclaimer...

Home networking capability and many Intel® Viiv™ technology-based usage models will require additional hardware devices, software or services. Functionality of Intel® Viiv™ technology verified devices will vary; check product details for desired features. System and component performance and functionality will vary depending on your specific hardware and software configurations

[jaw04005]

All of Apple's product lines report 24 hour shipping at the Apple Store Online. Anyone else worried that this year's MacWorld might be a let down besides iLife 06? :o

[jettredmont]

am i the only one who thinks that Viiv is the most retarded name on earth?

Well, it makes sense, if only partially.

64 bit processors are cool. There's a lot of other cool stuff in the VIIV spec too, but Intel's been hounded about their 64-bit solutions for a few years. So 64 is cool. And what cooler way to say "64" than in roman numerals?

LXIV .. Hmmm ... Okay, maybe not.

But if we says "6" and "4" in roman numerals, we can pronounce it!

VI IV.

Other possible entymologies:

It's like "TiVO", but without the "T" and "O" and twice as good (even though one of the times is backwards...)!

[yankeefan24]

Ok, wait, ViiV is for the desktop market right, not for laptops. We wont see it in a powerbook right?

[neildmitchell]

[
There have been previous suggestions (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/12/20051204233043.shtml) that Apple would be using the Viiv platform.

"Last week, Intel announced company support for its Viiv media platform due in the 1st quarter of 2006.

A Viiv-based PC is expected to provide a standard compatibility platform to provide:

- Remote control operation
- Dual-core processor
- On demand Movies, Music, Pictures and Games
- Ability to Record, Pause and Rewind Live TV (DVR functionality)
- Surround sound/home theatre support"

LET THE BATTLE OVER THE LIVING ROOM BEGIN!

[rockandrule]

Apple has already won my livingroom. They made a computer that was just handy enough to carry it from my desk in my bedroom alllllll the way to the livingroom. How great is that? Who knew that aluminum could be so friendly to me?

[Bastich]

Maybe they got the name from VIral DRM. Either way, you can bet this will give the media corporations a tighter grip on how you use your electronics.

As for logos, I certainly hope Apple doesn't plaster those awful badges on our pristine hardware for the sake of a few marketing dollars.

:cool:

[odedia]

Thanks for crediting.

BTW, ynet is the site for Israel's biggest daily newspaper publication, so it MIGHT be more reliable than one would think.

[solvs]

I'm glad you guys posted this, but why not give credit where credit is due?
Good for you. You get a cookie:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c9/Fortune_cookie_20040628_223108_1.jpg/200px-Fortune_cookie_20040628_223108_1.jpg

(kidding... thanks for the translation)

[MarcelV]

All of Apple's product lines report 24 hour shipping at the Apple Store Online. Anyone else worried that this year's MacWorld might be a let down besides iLife 06? :o

I was starting to get the same feeling. But if the Viiv rumors are true, it will mean additional products for now. Not a replacement of existing hardware. Which can be smart, as it will generate revenue in Apple Q2. And if Steve will announce some hard dates for availabilty of the new Intel based Macs, Q3 will look great from a financial point of view. It also will provide Apple time to finalize any of the last minute challenges.

[Peace]

All of Apple's product lines report 24 hour shipping at the Apple Store Online. Anyone else worried that this year's MacWorld might be a let down besides iLife 06? :o


I do believe Apple has caught on to people gauging updates based on ship dates.;)

[cwedl]

Yeah, is it fricking Tuesday yet? :D

Its on monday!

[Peace]

Its on monday!


The Stevenote is on Tuesday US..WEDNESDAY European time.

make that 9AM Tuesday Cupertino time and 5PM Tuesday London time

Widgets do come in handy!

[J@ffa]

Its on monday!

NEW POWERBOOKS ON TUESDAY!!!!!!!1111111

[J@ffa]

Oh, and if you're in the UK;

2 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes ta go, fools.

[hob]

Oh, and if you're in the UK;

2 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes ta go, fools.
How's that? We're not in some kind of time-distortion, the Keynote will still happen at the same time...!

EDIT: I just noticed, you posted that at 5.30PM. Once again Hob has made a fool of himself... AND admitted to it. Nice.

[J@ffa]

How's that? We're not in some kind of time-distortion, the Keynote will still happen at the same time...!

EDIT: I just noticed, you posted that at 5.30PM. Once again Hob has made a fool of himself... AND admitted to it. Nice.

Haha, well, your point still holds for the timeframe. I think the keynote happens at something like 4pm for us UKers… at least it's not something loony! :)

[kingcrowing]

stupid question, but how do you pronounce viiv? Is it "6-4" or is it just how its spelt viiv? or v-i-i-v?

[jaw04005]

stupid question, but how do you pronounce viiv? Is it "6-4" or is it just how its spelt viiv? or v-i-i-v?

It's pronounced V-I-V-E or (LIVE with a V). :)

[jaw04005]

I do believe Apple has caught on to people gauging updates based on ship dates.;)

Apple typically moves the product lines that are going to be updated to a 3 to 5 day wait. They can't advertise 24 hour shipping, and not deliver. Remember, the majority of Apple's customers probably have no idea that updates are imminent.

[Peace]

Apple typically moves the product lines that are going to be updated to a 3 to 5 day wait. They can't advertise 24 hour shipping, and not deliver. Remember, the majority of Apple's customers probably have no idea that updates are imminent.


How about this one from Apple's store :

Refurbished AirPort Express Base Station with AirTunes
10-15 business days
Free Shipping

10-15 days?

Something tells me Apple is expecting a lot of Airport Express's in 10 days ;)

[arkmannj]

How about this one from Apple's store :

Refurbished AirPort Express Base Station with AirTunes
10-15 business days
Free Shipping

10-15 days?

Something tells me Apple is expecting a lot of Airport Express's in 10 days ;)

I hope so, I hope we're seeing new express's and extreme's.
the feature I would like most is built in storage (maybe 1gb or 2gb)
or even a 2nd usb port (or a firewire) to attach a flash drive / external hard drive.
I'm not downplaying streaming video, that would be awesome to.
yes I want all of the cake and to eat it too.:cool:

[simie]

http://www.intel.com/products/viiv/description.htm#components


Take charge of your media
Watch what you want to watch, when you want to watch it

Will you be able to watch a movie that has not been officially released in the cinemas, I don't think so. This depends on how you are supposed to get the media.

Share movies, photos and music

Is this file sharing over a Lan or using Limewire etc, or is this a like itunes where you have got to spend money - nothinng new here.

We can already transfer digital media and music to other devices like ipods.


Digital life simplified

Intel® Viiv™ technology puts the power of your digital media library into your hands.^ Now you can search, find, play and watch even faster.

Even Windows allows you to search for media. Macs do it better.

Nothing new here

Entertainment

Entertainment services
With your Intel® Viiv™ technology-based PC, you can access a wide variety of global, on-demand entertainment services from companies like Movielink*, Yahoo MusicMatch*, DISCover*, Adobe* and many more. These include services that deliver content directly to consumers, as well as solutions that will help software providers bring Intel Viiv technology verified content to market faster.

Ah! this is where you have to pay, for the on-demand entertainment. I like going to the cinema, The screen is bigger than my 30" display.

Music
Access over a million songs from both subscription and purchase options. Make playlists, and watch concerts and videos.

Itunes store - why do we need anything else.

Games
Download hundreds of games from arcade classics to the hottest new titles and play them on the big screen.

We can do this aready - We can download anything from demo through to freeware and shareware. nothing new

Photos
Organize, edit and share your photos.

Use ACDSEE on Windows and iphoto on the Mac. then upload then on to the net. nothing new here.

Key components

Processor
Dual-core 64-bit processing power means smooth performance and complete control of your digital media.

This is nonsense, how as the windows world up and till now been playing and organizing their media.

Chipset
Advanced technology works in harmony with Intel drivers for vivid graphics, smooth video playback and support for up to 7.1 channel surround sound.

More nonsense - this is just a ploy to get you to think that they have reinvented the wheel and that you need to upgrade to their latest product.

Operating system
Microsoft Windows* XP Media Center Edition makes it easy to control and enjoy your digital media.

Any operating system with the right codecs installed and a supported player.

[GekkePrutser]

All of Apple's product lines report 24 hour shipping at the Apple Store Online. Anyone else worried that this year's MacWorld might be a let down besides iLife 06? :o

Yeah I was looking at that too.. Very worrying indeed. I'm really hoping for an Intel Mac Mini because I'm ready to buy a mini but I want one with the latest intel technology so it will last me for a while. And I want to be able to run Windows too :) (Sorry! But it's good not needing to have 2 boxes around)

Unless they're just going to announce new hardware but start shipping later. Very unusual for Apple but then again, the whole intel thing can not be called usual either :)

Edit: Trying to get my new signature to appear :)

[wHo_tHe]

Apple typically moves the product lines that are going to be updated to a 3 to 5 day wait. They can't advertise 24 hour shipping, and not deliver. Remember, the majority of Apple's customers probably have no idea that updates are imminent. Why wouldn't they be able to deliver? It's not like any current stock on hand transforms into cherry pits the second that Steve Jobs says "one more thing..." If they have stock on hand, I'd imagine their site would say they could ship immediately.

As soon as any replacement was announced, though, I'd imagine the old models would show up on Apple's red tag sale page, my favorite... :)

[Goldfinger]

They can always introduce the new Intel machines now and ship them later. OR they could sell the Intels alongside the PPCs...no ?

[Peace]

Why wouldn't they be able to deliver? It's not like any current stock on hand transforms into cherry pits the second that Steve Jobs says "one more thing..." If they have stock on hand, I'd imagine their site would say they could ship immediately.

As soon as any replacement was announced, though, I'd imagine the old models would show up on Apple's red tag sale page, my favorite... :)

you mean like the 10-15 day ship time for this :
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72202/wo/Fl7bqSs6G4d52kafNc4tsKVMXyV/1.0.0.19.1.0.8.7.3.5.1.1.15.1.5.1.1.5.0

[TheMasin9]

what are the specs on the viiv processor (clock speed bus etc)?