New PowerMac G4's

[arn]

Apple Store has been updated with new PowerMacs (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/31/wo/s6swX1DF7B8MvLGV14/0.3.0.3.30.31.0.1.3.1.3.1.1.0?134,35)

$1599 - 800Mhz G4, 40GB, CD-RW, Radeon 7500
$2299 - 933Mhz G4, 60GB, SuperDrive, GeForce4 MX
$2999 - Dual 1Ghz, 80GB, SuperDrive, GeForce 4 MX 512MB
$3649 - Dual 1Ghz, 80GBx2, SuperDrive, GeForce 4 MX 1.5GB

[pc_convert?]

where's my credit card....!:D

[Mauro]

Hey, What can I say? I got my iMac for $1,800. I'm just waiting to arrive. hehehehe.

[arn]

Not bad...

It's no G5, as I'm sure everyone will point out... but the low end, I believe dropped $100... iMac's still a great deal (esp the $1799)... but a $1599 Tower is as well if you want the expandability/ monitor support.

arn

[teabgs]

Well, its a start. I think im gonna hold out a little bit though. Would be a nice upgrade for me, but I kinda feel like the G5's are around the corner. hmmmm...I guess I'll wait and see. If theyre not around by NY I'll have to go with a G4 though. cant wait forever.

[eyelikeart]

dual ghz....very impressive...

looks like SomeAppleGuy was telling the truth... :p

[Andrés]

Its a minor update, so they can have time for the G5 to be finished by mid year!

[eyelikeart]

it makes sense....

I feel something bigger taking place later this year ;)

[evanmarx]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
it makes sense....

I feel something bigger taking place later this year ;)

oh ..come on, not you, eyelikeart ... let's be happy for the time being .... these machine are great ...

btw ... i will not be waiting for the G5 .. because i (almost) never buy first generation architectures .... the 933mhz is mine!

[ftaok]

Motorola has now delivered the goods.

Now will you all quit your belly-aching.

BTW, I'm just kidding. No flames please.

[sparkleytone]

i guess its time to say fare thee well to the powermac g4s.

this is such a small quiet update, im really gonna guess this is the last g4 powermac line. problem is, this gives apple a good reason to squeeze another 6-9 months out of it.

im gonna stay out of g5-arrival speculation.

[MisterX]

This is the machine for me!

[Unregistered]

this is quite a bummer for me, i just bought a g4 733 for $1700 15 days ago. now the low end is -$100, 24x cd burner, and 256 ram, thats double for 2 things over what i just bought for more money.

will apple do anything to make me happy? i want that 24x cd-r, mine came with a 12x (which really isn't that great) and only 128 of memory? could i get some money back, or maybe an upgrade?!?

what do you guys think?

[keithharrison2@yahoo.com]

Did you notice that ALL the new G4's have Dual-Display video cards.

[Sayer]

Under $3k for a dual 1 GHz with a superdrive and GeForce4.

And the top end model has two 80 gig drives and max RAM.

Geeze. Apple is really sticking it to the poor barely-getting-buy content producer eh? Now do you know why we have Maya? Think Mac OS X will run slow on it?

Apple kicks it. Anyone who doesn't like it can go buy an Athlon and be quiet.

And this is not even the mythical G5 (wait till second half of this year) with any of the new I/O.

[MikeH]

Great.

A solid upgrade and they finally get good graphics cards as standard.

Is it ATA 100/133 for the hard drives? I've not seen the official spec's yet.

[me again]

they extended the Apple Display Rebate and changed it

$100 off a 15"
$300 off a 17"
$500 off a 22"

it's not based on which computer you buy just the monitor. this rebate was extended thru March 31st

[Andrés]

Next time go to macrumors.com to see whats going on on the near future!

[evanmarx]

btw ... maybe a'll buy me even a dual ...

does any one of you superduperusers know if the noise-level of a dual processor machine is much highr than a single processor ... i thought that there was only one fan also for duals ...

i'm a noize freak ...

[blakespot]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
i guess its time to say fare thee well to the powermac g4s.

this is such a small quiet update, im really gonna guess this is the last g4 powermac line. problem is, this gives apple a good reason to squeeze another 6-9 months out of it.

im gonna stay out of g5-arrival speculation.


"Problem is" ???

I'm amused by the inability of certain folks to ever be satisfied.



blakespot

[serpicolugnut]

While I can hardly agree with the statement "Motorola has finally delivered the goods", I do find it a full step in the right direction. Not just because Apple finally hit 1ghz, but because Apple actually increased speeds & improved video cards, but also dropped the prices across the board. About damn time!

If I hadn't just bought my G4/800DP in August, I'd be all over the $2999 1ghz/DP. Very sweet...

[Falleron]

Its a real shame we are forced to fork out for a superdrive on the 933Mhz --> 1Ghz. I was relying on being able to get a DVD/CDRW drive instead. Oh well, looks like I will have to go for the 800Mhz version instead.

[Best of All]

I think the best news of all is that if you order a new G4 today it ships in 1-3 days. no end of February BS

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by evanmarx


oh ..come on, not you, eyelikeart ... let's be happy for the time being .... these machine are great ...

btw ... i will not be waiting for the G5 .. because i (almost) never buy first generation architectures .... the 933mhz is mine!

let me clear this up....

I'm not giving into the "ok now what's next" attitude that many of here to....

I'm simply stating that there is going to be something major coming about later on from this...there was (and still is) so much speculation circling the G5....I guess I was attempting to give the ones hungry for it something to chew on for a little while....

fueling the fire if u will...

he he he....

[Andrés]

There are lower prices! now more people will be able to buy them!

Good for Apple!

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by blakespot
"Problem is" ???

I'm amused by the inability of certain folks to ever be satisfied.

blakespot

I'm not....it's inevitable :(

[OSeXy!]

...the TiBook? Its specs are starting to look a bit 'dated'... Will we get a similarly quiet revamp here as well? Anyone heard anything about the Apollo chips lately? I presume the new Pmacs are not Apollos...

[trof]

...man...the Dual 1gig is sweet...and me with an Apple Store just down the road....(the pressure increases)

Oh well - who am I to resist ;)

Any one interested in a great deal on a Dual Proc 800?

Priced to move fast!! (faster than my wife will want ;)

Sorry for the plug - but I can't help it ;)

trofkahr@hotmail.com

[abe]

O.k., let me compare the prices for Macs and similar PCs (here in Switzerland):

Mac:
PM 800 (fast) = $ 1599

PC = $ 1560
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 40 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, cd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, ATI Radeon 7500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)

Mac:
PM 933 (faster) = $ 2299

PC = $ 2135
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 60 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, dvd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, GeForce 3Ti 500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)

Well done Apple, these are very fair prices!

[littlejim]

Originally posted by Andrés
Next time go to macrumors.com to see whats going on on the near future!

And maybe some folk won't be quite so quick to slag off Mac User UK Magazine for being spot on with the predictions (if a few days out)?


LittleJim
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Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La La, XP

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by OSeXy!
...the TiBook? Its specs are starting to look a bit 'dated'... Will we get a similarly quiet revamp here as well? Anyone heard anything about the Apollo chips lately? I presume the new Pmacs are not Apollos...

it probably won't get anything major until the G5 releases....

we may see something small....remember that band kid with the 1 Ghz PowerBook?

patience is a virtue...

[grouse]

Totally sold on this lot.

And I think the price points are pretty competitive too.

It's odd how pathetic the 56K modem looks, tacked on at the end of the list!
It should probably now be built without a modem, but I guess it's there for the fax software, as 99% of power users are NOT going to be dialing up to the internet through an internal modem!

Since when has Apple been so realistic and generous with the RAM, all good signs.

And even if the G5s are only four/five months away, it plugs the gap nicely.

No complaints here.

[DannyZR2]

Notice too the new servers in the apple store

$2799 - 933Mhz 256k L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache - 256 MB SDRAM (PC-133) - 80GB Ultra ATA @ 7200 RPM - CDRW

$3299 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 512 MB SDRAM - 80G - CDRW

$4549 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 1GB SDRAM - 72GB Ultra 160 SCSI (10000 RPM) - CDRW


... Available in February

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by Sayer
Under $3k for a dual 1 GHz with a superdrive and GeForce4.

And the top end model has two 80 gig drives and max RAM.

Geeze. Apple is really sticking it to the poor barely-getting-buy content producer eh? Now do you know why we have Maya? Think Mac OS X will run slow on it?

Apple kicks it. Anyone who doesn't like it can go buy an Athlon and be quiet.

And this is not even the mythical G5 (wait till second half of this year) with any of the new I/O.

They are comparing it to a 2ghz P4 which seems fair. How much does one of those cost from a full service supplier similar to Apple, like IBM or Compaq?

Rocketman

[grouse]

I've guess you people have seen Apple's own Photoshop tests.

In case there are any doubting Thomases out there:

the dual 1GHz is 72% faster than a 2GHz P4 and even the 800GHz is 26%, signigicantly, faster!

And better value!

Whooppee!

And a shipping time on the 933 of 5 days at the Apple Store!

[DannyZR2]

Not only is the new GF4MX card DDR, but also on the architecture page, it does a nice job of explaining the L3 cache on the two hi-end's feature up to 500Mhz DDR SDRAM at speeds up to 4 gigabytes per second (GBps) on a dedicated bus to the processors. (for each processor).

Nice how it goes on to say (unlike Pentium 4-based systems, which don't have a L3 cache)


get me if i'm wrong, but this is the first i've heard of the powermacs to feature DDR PC133 memory.. rather than just the pc133 SDRAM ..

.. also, I thought the SD in SDRAM meant 'single datarate'.. but it does in fact say "Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM running at a data rate of up to 500Mhz."

So the 800 doesn't have DDR SDRAM????

[Falleron]

The towers still use SD RAM. DDRAM is on graphics card

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by grouse
Totally sold on this lot.

And I think the price points are pretty competitive too.

It's odd how pathetic the 56K modem looks, tacked on at the end of the list!
It should probably now be built without a modem, but I guess it's there for the fax software, as 99% of power users are NOT going to be dialing up to the internet through an internal modem!

Since when has Apple been so realistic and generous with the RAM, all good signs.

And even if the G5s are only four/five months away, it plugs the gap nicely.

No complaints here.

At Applestore removing the modem is a $29 downgrade.

RAM is far cheaper if mail ordered. They are making a comfortable premium. My friend at Micron complains they now include 0.5gb memory modules in cereal boxes :p

After G5, look for rack mounted, multiprocessor (6-12) servers for mid-size server and render farms.

Rocketman

[DannyZR2]

Okay.. i see now.. the DDR is on the graphics card AND the L3 cache (2MB) .. but not the main RAM.

so you are partially correct falleron.. i guess it sounded better than it really is.. but hey these systems kick a$$! I wish I could spend the dough.

[Falleron]

I am seriously considering the 933 (but i dont want a superdrive), so I am stuck.

[DannyZR2]

I would think that Apple would sell more if they allowed more 'bto' options as they once did.

I do think that Dell does do as well as they do because partly all of the tons of ways you can configure your system.. Desktop OR laptop.. It is quite impressive...

I just think that Apple should leave room for more configurations even though it may cause a bit more delay in the ordering processes up to delivery...

[eric_n_dfw]

The dual 1Ghz is very tempting, but the lack of DDR main RAM will keep my money waiting for a while longer.

(Well, at least untll I actually use one at the Apple store or CompUSA and my wallet accidentally falls out of my pocket and my credit card just happens to slide through the register swiper! ;) )

[trof]

Yeah - mine (credit card) falls out of my pocket a lot these days...(dangit) - and when it does - it always lands in the darn credit card swiper.

Oh yeah - to all those that have asked - the DP800 I'm selling *does* have the SuperDrive in it.

(I now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcasting)

[littlejim]

Originally posted by Rocketman


At Applestore removing the modem is a $29 downgrade.


At Applestore UK, removing the modem saves 20GBP, but adds 3-5 days on delivery time!

I've just placed my order! These are GREAT prices - must be the lowest top range prices from Apple for a good many years - 300GBP cheaper than yesterdays top model.

OK - there may be G5 in six months time ... but that will get overtaken soon after. And instead of waiting - I'll have had a good few months of superfast computing!

Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?

LittleJim
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Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La La, XP

[Six]

Man, those are impressive specs.. I remember when Apple's newest computers had 32 megs of ram... *coughcough*my iMac... Apple has done well, they know what we want... Kick ass! Anyone who complains about this can buy an athlon and a bag of lemons to suck on... ;)

yay apple!

[OSeXy!]

LittleJim:
"Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?"

Got a rooftop? If so dedicate it to the cause! www.consume.net

[Unregistered]

GeForce4 ?????


BLOODY ************!

Im an owner of the Geforce 3 OEM from Apple BTO. I bought it with the first Superdrive 733 MHz 1MBL3 Cache G4 Mac.

After 6 !!!!!!!!!! months, Apple released OS 9.2.1 and it was the first time the Geforce 3 showed me only a slightly performance boost (5 fps more in quake) - before it was just like a geforce 2 mx, only with 64 MB Ram. In OS 9.2.2 it only supports 640x480. What a joke. Apple knows this problem of some geforce 3 card revisions and told me to wait until March of 2002 - for maybe new nvidia drivers.

Now Im working in OS X. The Apple-Website says: "...with full native support for the superfast NVIDIA GeForce 3 card allowing applications to take maximum advantage of advanced 3D applications" WHAT A JOKE!!!

Buy a good new game and test the Geforce 3! None, I repeat none of the special features like Full Screen Antialising, etc. are supported by the Open GL Drivers form Apple. The card is nothing more than a geforce 2 mx with 64 MB DDR Ram.

Nobody needs a geforce 4 if there are still no drivers for the geforce 3!!!!!!!!

Dont buy it. Its crap.

This is my opinion.

[Macmaniac]

I am so excited G Force 4 will make all PC people go ah I want that. This is a great break through for Apple. Now we can claim the realm of the ghz, of course we already have! This is great way to go Apple!

_____________________
700mhz snow
100mhz performa

Not all who wander are lost.

[Macmaniac]

I'm a member:)

[mischief]

Originally posted by evanmarx
btw ... maybe a'll buy me even a dual ...

does any one of you superduperusers know if the noise-level of a dual processor machine is much highr than a single processor ... i thought that there was only one fan also for duals ...

i'm a noize freak ...

Yes, Dualley Quicksilvers sound like a jet engine. Not all that loud ambient but distinctly present in a quiet space. A bit louder than the original iMac. There are 3 fans in that case. A baffled or cork lined CPU cabinet might be a good idea.

[kidtronix]

ok my speculations were wrong, i thought they'd wait for seybold fair to announce, but i think the pressure was too big. i'm sure this is not the only update on the powermacs this year, and it sure isn't bad, last time they had one they only went up 133mhz or something like that, now they jump up... hey about the same... only this time they don't make a fuss, so next time, they make a fuss that is, it better be a G5
:p

[mstur]

Originally posted by evanmarx


oh ..come on, not you, eyelikeart ... let's be happy for the time being .... these machine are great ...

btw ... i will not be waiting for the G5 .. because i (almost) never buy first generation architectures .... the 933mhz is mine!

Definitely true...
But maybe I wait for the G5, and buy then a dual 1 GHz G4 at lower prices...

[networkman]

why don't they have the gforce4 thing on the front page of apple's site and call it "the ultimate gaming machine" or something like that?

i think this is a major breakthrough for apple and just as cool, almost, as the new imac

apple got a 9 out of 10 in my book on this one

my ultimate hope would have been 1 ghz low end, dual 1 ghz in the middle, and dual 1.2 ghz top end so that way apple would be fully in the 1 ghz club and be over 1 ghz somewhere in their pro line

now no one will call apple a mhz machine anymore

[mstur]

Originally posted by DannyZR2
Notice too the new servers in the apple store

$2799 - 933Mhz 256k L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache - 256 MB SDRAM (PC-133) - 80GB Ultra ATA @ 7200 RPM - CDRW

$3299 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 512 MB SDRAM - 80G - CDRW

$4549 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 1GB SDRAM - 72GB Ultra 160 SCSI (10000 RPM) - CDRW


... Available in February

So why NO Superdrive in the servers ?? And why no RAID ??? I am now considering to buy a new G4 with Superdrive as a replacement for my 260 MHz G3 ASIP 6.3.3 server, since the DVD-R or DVD-RW is an ideal and inexpensive archiving and backup medium...

[Unregistered]

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered
this is quite a bummer for me, i just bought a g4 733 for $1700 15 days ago. now the low end is -$100, 24x cd burner, and 256 ram, thats double for 2 things over what i just bought for more money.

will apple do anything to make me happy? i want that 24x cd-r, mine came with a 12x (which really isn't that great) and only 128 of memory? could i get some money back, or maybe an upgrade?!?

what do you guys think?

NO!!! Apple will not do that for you. How do think they remain profitable quarter after quarter when all the other PC manufacturers are losing millions???

Why did you buy a 733 when everyone was talking about something new areound the corner???

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered
this is quite a bummer for me, i just bought a g4 733 for $1700 15 days ago. now the low end is -$100, 24x cd burner, and 256 ram, thats double for 2 things over what i just bought for more money.

will apple do anything to make me happy? i want that 24x cd-r, mine came with a 12x (which really isn't that great) and only 128 of memory? could i get some money back, or maybe an upgrade?!?

what do you guys think?

NO!!! Apple will not do that for you. How do think they remain profitable quarter after quarter when all the other PC manufacturers are losing millions???

Why did you buy a 733 when everyone was talking about something new around the corner???

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered
this is quite a bummer for me, i just bought a g4 733 for $1700 15 days ago. now the low end is -$100, 24x cd burner, and 256 ram, thats double for 2 things over what i just bought for more money.

will apple do anything to make me happy? i want that 24x cd-r, mine came with a 12x (which really isn't that great) and only 128 of memory? could i get some money back, or maybe an upgrade?!?

what do you guys think?


most consumer computer stores have a 15 to 30 day return policy, no questions asked. Just return your computer to where you got it, if they ask why, tell them it turns out you couldn't afford it. Then go somewhere else and get a new one. Of course, this probably won't work if you bought it from the applestore, so I hope you didn't do that!!

[Mark James]

What I *really* want is a 933mhz with DVD/CD-RW (dunno exactly what it achieves, but I don't think my life is complete without L3 cache).

Bad news: cannot strip the Superdrive from this model. Why?!

After some sulking, was overcome with desire to buy new 800mhz with DVD/CD-RW and GeForce4...

Good news: UK customers no longer ripped off - GBP1299 vs USD1799 in this configuration; GBP1299 = USD1830.

Bad news: DVD/CD-RW configuration cannot be ordered at present! Store reports 'available late February' but will not accept order.

I WANT TO SPEND MONEY!!!

[erova]

Originally posted by Unregistered



most consumer computer stores have a 15 to 30 day return policy, no questions asked. Just return your computer to where you got it, if they ask why, tell them it turns out you couldn't afford it. Then go somewhere else and get a new one. Of course, this probably won't work if you bought it from the applestore, so I hope you didn't do that!!


Apple's return policy is a ten-day window, and the buck stops there.

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by erova



Apple's return policy is a ten-day window, and the buck stops there.

...and CompUSA is 15 (I think)

[Mausabiest]

Finally a 1Ghz Mac, cool I hope there will be more stuff to come this year. Hoping for the best.

[Falleron]

Originally posted by Mark James
What I *really* want is a 933mhz with DVD/CD-RW (dunno exactly what it achieves, but I don't think my life is complete without L3 cache).

Bad news: cannot strip the Superdrive from this model. Why?!

After some sulking, was overcome with desire to buy new 800mhz with DVD/CD-RW and GeForce4...

Good news: UK customers no longer ripped off - GBP1299 vs USD1799 in this configuration; GBP1299 = USD1830.

Bad news: DVD/CD-RW configuration cannot be ordered at present! Store reports 'available late February' but will not accept order.

I WANT TO SPEND MONEY!!!

My ideal machine would be the 933Mhz. However, with the Superdrive it pushes up the price just too much!! Why cant apple offer the DVD/CDRW as a build to order option??

[GPTurismo]

I just want one of those GeForce 4's to go into my Dual 800.

[BiG™]

You know, I couldn't even read all the comments on this topic, so it is unlikely that people will get to the bottom to read mine, but....

How annoying is everyone here who is say 'These new machines are great, but....'! For a couple years we have been sitting here bitching that we don't have a Ghz mac. Now we have an incredible machine, a real PC beater, in the dual Ghz G4, and all people are saying is 'But what about the G5?'. I personally don't think we'll see the G5 until next February. I think we may see one last good speed boost out of the G4 line. But it doesn't matter! The current line kicks a.s.s.! Stop complaining, Apple just released everything we ever wanted! Unless you spend 10 hours a day in OS X working on maya, this machine is too much for you to handle!

Speaking of which, I am so psyched to see OS X under this new machine. It should scream! Hopefully we'll see true dual-processor support for all Adobe applications soon too. Oh, life is grand, kick a.s.s consumer products, kick a.s.s pro models...and now for a moment to be a hypocrite, I wanna dual processor PowerBook! (but that's just me dreaming)

So everyone, please, please be proud of Apple and not knock 'em for a job well done!

[HorseHead]

Why my reply get nixed

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by keithharrison2@yahoo.com
Did you notice that ALL the new G4's have Dual-Display video cards.

I thought that was maybe wishful thinking on my part or maybe that I was reading it wrong but now that someone else has noticed it, I FEEL GREAT! My DP Ghz will be ordered tomorrow. (I'm in Japan, It's 5:30AM)

Yeah!!

[Ifeelbloated]

Well, well, well. All the rampant speculation can be put to an end, at least for a little while. Apple has delivered the goods. Just ordered the dual Ghz machine. Can't wait to get my programs up and running. As a aspiring CG artist, rendering is a necessary pain in the keyster. But man, 15 Gigaflops per second will make it oh so sweeter.

[GPTurismo]

*is jealous because you are in Japan, and you are ordering a dual 1000*

[rekras]

What a great update, Apple bumped almost everything about the powermac up and finally broke the ghz barrier. Plus with the L3 cache and new chip architecture they sound pretty damn fast. The thing that is the most exciting for me however is the geforce4 exclusively for the mac now. How cool is that? This update should definately support strong sales well up to the G5's release at new york. Wish i had the money to buy one of these.:D

[madsh]

from apple.com
------
With a quantum increase in processing power, an ultraefficient new system architecture, next-generation 3D graphics....
------

It might be me that is totally outdated on physics...but quatom

cut from OmniDirectory
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quantum
n : how much there is of something that you can measure [syn: measure,
quantity, amount]
-------

Quantum increase means a increase that has the atomic size of messurement. That is the smallest increase possible...

But it looks to me like the are going to fly.....

[blakespot]

Originally posted by trof
Yeah - mine (credit card) falls out of my pocket a lot these days...(dangit) - and when it does - it always lands in the darn credit card swiper.

Oh yeah - to all those that have asked - the DP800 I'm selling *does* have the SuperDrive in it.


I think selling a DP G4 800 purchased within the last 6 months, now, for a DP G4 1GHz is a bit rash. I don't think you are going to feel the night and day difference that you apparently imagine exists there.

You'll have to keep us posted.


blakespot

[mac_airport]

a little off-topic but i'll ask anyway: could someone give me a recommendation(s) for a display(s) to purchase with new dual g4 powermac?

in other words, is the 22" cinema display worth the bucks?

and...any rumors about the anticipated 19" lcd? should i wait for this announcement?

given the extension of the lcd rebates to 31 march, is it likely that a new lcd (i.e., the rumored 19") will be released prior to march end?

thanks in advance for any help.

ps the 'rumors' (and related threads) are generally very well done...worthwhile reading, indeed...

[Unregistered]

I'm holding out.

Not so much for the G5.. but a faster bus.
it's still 133MHZ ... Still using the old ram..
..USB2? Gigwire?..Slow ATA..

There are lotz of wondeful boosts, but
I think the "real" juicy boosts are being held back.

DDram, Faster ATA's, Duel 1.?...

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by Unregistered
I'm holding out.

Not so much for the G5.. but a faster bus.
it's still 133MHZ ... Still using the old ram..
..USB2? Gigwire?..Slow ATA..

There are lotz of wondeful boosts, but
I think the "real" juicy boosts are being held back.

DDram, Faster ATA's, Duel 1.?...

What ATA speed does it have? ATA/100? 133? 66? If it's 100 or 133 (I suspect 100), I'm happy with it. Heck - I do DV captures via my ATA/66 PCI card all the time and it's overkill for that.

[Beej]

Sweet! This is great news!

I think the thing everyone wants to know, though, is whether you can Get these new G4s with a white k/b and mouse... :D

[Steve Jobs Bukkake]

I just sold my dual G4 450 with 2 yr warranty and monitor, along with 80 gig replacement HD and key/mouse/cables and such for 1750.00. The guy is happy. I'm super happy to be away from Steve Jobs Distortion Field. After 19+ years of it, I finally liberated myself with the help of somebody's pocket book deeper than mine, with a defunct and FREE OS that is actually REALLY nice and fast. I also just got a Dual AMD 1.4 Ghz with 2 x 80 Gig HD Raid, 1 Gig PC2100 DDR, along with Vivo 64 DDR Video card, Silicon/Graphics/Trintron 17" high, and I mean nice, quality display, with 8x switch box and cables, DVD 8x as well as a nice 16x10x40 CDR-W, along with all kinds of great fun stuff to play with, for less than 1000.00. Yep, I had to do a little research, no questions about it. Macs have PCs beat there, Macs are for braindead folks that don't want to learn, they're willing to pay thru the NOSE to SJB and the SJDF for the open the box and run it. I know, I did it for years. I empathise with you idiots that stick to the overpriced Mac hardware. All I can say is thanks for the memories, now I'm free. I'm not a M$ fan by any means, or really a Intel fan. But AMD has both Intel and Moto smoked for price performance (with .13 micron lets hope they break the 2 ghz and lower the temps, they will, it is just a matter of a few months to a year and I will upgrade to a nice small dual package (or maybe quad)).

I hope all you guys spending 3000+ really enjoy the cornholing you get from SJB, he is just about the slickest snake oil sales scammer I have ever witnessed.

Best 2 U all.

Steve Jobs Bukkake

[Jookbox]

whoever said $1800 for an imac is a bargain, must be nuts...

anyway, i was hoping the 1ghz version would be available in a single processor setup. oh well, i'll probably end up getting the 933... and oh look! you're not a retard anymore if you upgrade your ram thru apple.

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by Steve Jobs Bukkake


I hope all you guys spending 3000+ really enjoy the cornholing you get from SJB, he is just about the slickest snake oil sales scammer I have ever witnessed.

Best 2 U all.

Steve Jobs Bukkake

i kinda agree with what you wrote, but:
a) you sound like a jerk, and
b) you're telling this to the wrong people

[BiG™]

I was *thrilled* to read this posting on Slashdot. I know it isn't directly related to the newest towers, but to an extent, maybe it is:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=27005&cid=2913751 (http://)

Always nice to see Apple winning ;-)

[Unregistered]

Its interesting that everyone has some sort of negative thing to say about this new series of Power Macs, but I doubt most of you have even personally experienced the power of a G3. Maybe you should buy a one of these newer computers and actually experience the true power and glory any of these Macs have to offer before you say its "too slow".

[mangis]

Marv, I am also in Japan. Can we order Macs with the English OS built in over here?

I know OS ten is bi-lingual, and I don't want to use os9, but I may have to sometimes at this point.

[Unregistered]

Why are so many people so annoyed. Just remember:

'If Apple can bring out a GHz comp in early-mid 02, i'll never doubt the power of Jobs & Co. again'

and

'We need more power - give me a GHz PowerG4 - and i'll never go back'


BUT NOW...

'When's the G5 coming out'


BE HAPPY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP COMPLAINING CONSTANTLY!!!!!!!

I'm tired of hearing it - get your wallet out and maybe apple will be able to bring out something more powerful.

STOP WHINING
BUY THE POWERg4!!

[samy85114]

Oh sure these models look pretty great... but the iMac still a best deal... But you know, just depending if this is affortable for you... but i'll think about this before taking my decision!

But that sounds so powerful, doesn't it!

[SPG]

Imac is the best deal? Depends on what you're doing...email and stuff, sure get one. Final Cut, Photoshop, DVD authoring, Aftereffects? Get a tower. Need display options and possible upgrades? Get a tower.

[dnelsongb]

Originally posted by keithharrison2@yahoo.com
Did you notice that ALL the new G4's have Dual-Display video cards.

Whooopie, they gotta unload what people didnt buy! They know the whats coming is much much bigger so let the impatients buy now and pay AGAIN later! Apple, I'm becoming frustrated. In order to get into more homes and schools, you must become afforable!!!

Mac, come on!

[teabgs]

All you people out there saying "how great" the upgrades are dont actually need power. iMac a great deal? YOu cant run Maya on an iMac. For peopel that need Maya, FCP, photoshop, after effects, etc. the more power the better. Heres the thing: if there was a faster bus and ddr then i'd agree that its a great deal to get a new tower. since its only a minor upgrade (a new graphics card and extra mem with a small mhz boost) its obviously only to keep us (pro users) happy till the G5 comes out (hopefully MWNY). I know im waiting, you can buy now if you want, I'll have a machine thats a whole lot faster in a half year.

[Apophe]

How does apple tell you are in school? Ordering online they just ask what school? Do they have to verify or is just saying u enrolled good enough?

[kirknord]

Originally posted by littlejim
Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?

LittleJim
----------
Well, the G3's make great web servers for medium sized sites. Heck, my old 7200 is currently serving up stuff!
http://216.254.21.66
Check it out!

krk

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Apophe
How does apple tell you are in school? Ordering online they just ask what school? Do they have to verify or is just saying u enrolled good enough?

They ask fo your school and ID number, and verify it with the school. There's also a limit of one machine per year, so you can bet that they keep track of who you are.

Of course, if you're saying things like "u enrolled", you must still be in school since you haven't learned how to spell simple words yet. So what are you worried about?

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Why are so many people so annoyed. Just remember:

'If Apple can bring out a GHz comp in early-mid 02, i'll never doubt the power of Jobs & Co. again'

and

'We need more power - give me a GHz PowerG4 - and i'll never go back'


BUT NOW...

'When's the G5 coming out'


BE HAPPY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP COMPLAINING CONSTANTLY!!!!!!!

I'm tired of hearing it - get your wallet out and maybe apple will be able to bring out something more powerful.

STOP WHINING
BUY THE POWERg4!!


I concur dude. Its what ive been saying for ages now, but all of you are too dumb to realise that there is no reason to winge. I give up trying to teach you lot something about computing.

And to the guy who bought a dual athlon. Yes you got a great system for great value. But stop accusing others of being closed minded and start to realise that computing isnt all about value for money and speed.
If you actually knew anything at all about computers then you would know that windows has crap coding, it still has bugs in XP, it isnt nearly as efficient when it comes to DP support.
Also you should know that no-matter how good your hardware is, if your software is crap then your system is crap.
Also realise that you are investing in a computer whos price will plummet the moment you buy it, unlike a mac.
Also realise that you are investing in a system with ancient architecture, so when you want to go 64bit (you will because you are a fool), then you will have to pay out **** knows how much more money again.
Also realise that the future when it comes to architecture is in OSX and PPC chips, it is simpler in design and principle and it doesnt have the problem of being compatible with an ancient architecture.
Also realise your PC is nearly as ugly as you are.
Also realise your PC either:
a) overheats.
b) makes the noise of a jumbo jet taking off.
The athlon chip produces enough heat as it is, never mind in a dual config. So it is likely your PC is cooking.
Also realise that depending on what OS you use, your PC is likely to crash. Pre-2000 Windows doesnt enjoy Multi processing.
Adding things up, you got the wrong computer, you are a fool. You know nothing about computing, go back to school and stop wanking oper your pair of fat Athlons.

Out of that whole thread you only got one thing right, The athlon is the best chip out there.


Hey Apple, no DDR?

[spikey]

I forgot to sign in for that last post.
Still, bet you guessed.


To the git**** with big Athlons:

You are the closed minded one, you base your knowledge on Price/speed.

Dont accuse others of being closed minded, atleast they understand that computers are not about price/speed, they are about quality.

[spikey]

If i was a pro user then i wouldnt be ecstatic about these new Powermacs.
Nice bit of speed from the cpu, granted. But i didnt see anything on DDR, which is a let down.
So you do have something to winge about.

[spikey]

To the gimp with a 3D-modelling disorder.

You can run maya, Lightwave, infact all the graphics appz you want on a G4 imac. Sure its not the fastest, and when it comes to design/graphics it is best to stay ahead of the bunch. But use a G4 @ 800Mhz with maya and you will realise that you can do a hell of alot. This new imac almost seems like a semi-Pro machine only without the upgradability.

Go take some Ritalin.

[maclamb]

I agree - While i think it's worth (barely) hearing about other system configs here, his need to abuse the "rest of us" perhaps shows he "protests too much"?
Perhaps he really liked the Mac OS, GUI, ease of use, and other intangibles of mac ownership and is doing a sweet lemons kind of thing.
I have built my own dual processor systems (wintel) and had much trouble getting IRQs rights, cards to work together, software/OS to work properly, etc. - sioo in a sense, if that makes me brainded - to buy a suped up mac and just turn it on, then I accept the name calling - I don't weant to ****** around w/ the box - I want to do something useful - which was the whole point to the mac in the first plkace, right? And the fact it comes with a good version of unix (unlike Linux or Soaris x86) is even more compelling.

There's a mindset here that the rest of us want - not just the hardware...

Where I am I do mostly software dev - java, XML, develop presentations for training, etc...so I really have no need for a dual 1Ghz Mac - to be honest my Ti667 is plenty.

but, who ever said we only buy what we actuially need? if so, most people would be fine with a low end mac or PII

Now, to run OSX - yes, a G4 is "needed".

it's not about reality - it's about perception

[spikey]

Agreed, Mr lamb.
If you really know what you are doing when configuring a DP PC box, then it should be bearable.
But most people dont, and why do that when you could buy a mac and let apple do it for you?



But i disagree about the G4/OSX thing. For the pro user, then yes a G4 is needed.
But for a consumer then i think the G3 with enough RAM is bearable.

[networkman]

i hear you, spikey

my old, i mean ancient late-'99 ibook maxes out at 160 MB of RAM where it is right now

i have heard some people putting in a low-profile 256 RAM module making this rev. a book go to 288 MB RAM, but i was wondering if you think it would be worth my while to try and get this 256 stick and try to run os 10.1 on the laptop?

should i just make it a convenient excuse for my wife to get one of those new g4s or g4 imacs?

being thrifty, i wouldn't mind finding an old style g3 imac and just upping the RAM to half a gig and making that machine go for two or even three years...no need for a dual 1 ghz tower in our household

[Apophe]

Originally posted by Unregistered


They ask fo your school and ID number, and verify it with the school. There's also a limit of one machine per year, so you can bet that they keep track of who you are.

Of course, if you're saying things like "u enrolled", you must still be in school since you haven't learned how to spell simple words yet. So what are you worried about?


lol! there's always a character in the crowd willing to be a bitter arsehole. I think you got my point, do I have to annotate and footnote my post as well to live up to your scholarly standards?

thanks for the nfo <sic>!

[spikey]

I would use it as an excuse to get a new one Jef.
It doesnt have to be a G4 if like me u dont need one.
I would be tempted at a CRT imac, get enough RAM and it could run OS10.1 quite well.Especially seeing as 10.2 should be snappier.
As for the CRT, i think i have become immune to the radiation and glare.
Hard to say though when i dont know your financial status.


I wouldnt buy a G4 imac just yet, im a bit wary of a firewire2 update and wireless peripheral update to it. Maybe thats paranoia on my part.

Otherwise if your a willing ebayer, check the prices of a cube with TFT. I dont know the prices so its just an idea.

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by Steve Jobs Bukkake
After 19+ years of it, I finally liberated myself with the help of somebody's pocket book deeper than mine, with a defunct and FREE OS that is actually REALLY nice and fast.
What the heck does that mean?

acs are for braindead folks that don't want to learn, they're willing to pay thru the NOSE to SJB and the SJDF for the open the box and run it.
They're also for folks wanting to run Final Cut Pro or Mac OS X - neither of which run on Intel. (Which is a good thing if you ask me.)

But AMD has both Intel and Moto smoked for price performance
Doing what - playing games? Buy a game console and play them on the big screen. Otherwise, what do YOU do that is faster on your Athlon?

I hope all you guys spending 3000+ really enjoy the cornholing you get from SJB, he is just about the slickest snake oil sales scammer I have ever witnessed.
Oh, and Gates/Balmer are any better?

[Unregistered]

It's no G5, as I'm sure everyone will point out... but the low end, I believe dropped $100... iMac's still a great deal (esp the $1799)... but a $1599 Tower is as well if you want the expandability/ monitor support.

well they decided to postpone g5 because they say that the g4 is so flexible they might be able to make one do 2ghz

[erova]

just for all the clowns who don't understand why anyone would pay for a three thousand dollar machine, i think it's easy enough to assume that anyone paying for a three thousand dollar machine is a professional looking for professional grade computers.

therefore, that person is expecting at least SOME return on investment.

i sure as h.ell don't have a problem dropping three grand on a machine if my hourly rate has it paid for with a week and a half...and when doin dv editing in FINAL CUT, not dirt-arse Premiere, a three thousand dollar Mac sure does make paying the bills a helluva lot easier than churning away on some Intel.