has apple stopped the osx on new macs running on pcs

[Macmadant]

i hope they have, it breaks my heart to see a dell running osx (or any other non-mac hardware to be hounest):confused: :confused: :confused:

[Airforce]

There is no way they can.

[BakedBeans]

There is no way they can.

there is. harware and firmware wise

[Airforce]

there is. harware and firmware wise

heh...that was the issue with the current version...you see how long it took to work around that. No matter how they try to stop it, in the end, someone will figure out a work-around.

[Benjamindaines]

There is no way they can.
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/01/15/1857210.shtml

[Airforce]

http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/01/15/1857210.shtml

Nice, lol

[BakedBeans]

heh...that was the issue with the current version...you see how long it took to work around that. No matter how they try to stop it, in the end, someone will figure out a work-around.

ive heard that about viruses for years

[Airforce]

ive heard that about viruses for years

Are you agreeing? :confused:

[Benjamindaines]

Are you agreeing? :confused:
I think what he is saying is people have always been saying that there is going to be a virus written for OS X but one has never been made.

[BakedBeans]

Are you agreeing? :confused:

nope - im disagreeing :)

[Airforce]

nope - im disagreeing :)

Umm, I'm not sure why...but alright...

Anyways...OS X on x86 continues.

[BakedBeans]

Umm, I'm not sure why...but alright...

Anyways...OS X on x86 continues.

Your a windows user arent you?

osx is on a few pc boxes - but only the crapiest developers version. wether the true osx gets on to pc boxes remains to be seen

[Airforce]

Your a windows user arent you?

osx is on a few pc boxes - but only the crapiest developers version. wether the true osx gets on to pc boxes remains to be seen

Oh yea, I'm sure it's only a handful of folks out there. It is of no interest to anyone other than techies I'm sure. I like the OS, so that was motivation enough for me. It is the full version though...no crappy about it.

I'm a dual user :D

[BakedBeans]

so are you sayoing you have cracked a full version of osx? 10.4.4

or the developer version - which is crap and easy to crack?

eitherway what your doing is illegal.

[EricNau]

I don't think it will be possible, at least not for a long time.

[Airforce]

so are you sayoing you have cracked a full version of osx? 10.4.4

or the developer version - which is crap and easy to crack?



Developer's version was 10.4.1

Current one out there is 10.4.3, although 10.4.4 might be, I haven't searched.

[Peace]

Developer's version was 10.4.1

Current one out there is 10.4.3, although 10.4.4 might be, I haven't searched.

current Intel version is 10.4.4 for the new MacTels
Last version was 10.4.3 for Developer Kit Only..

[branana]

I am running OSX 10.4.3 on a nForce 3, Athlon 64 3500+ computer with 1 gig ram. I have the latest itunes/quicktime unibins, VLC unibin, adium unibin. I do not notice anything different. Rosetta works fine, much faster in emulation than Office runs on my G4.

[Peace]

I am running OSX 10.4.3 on a nForce 3, Athlon 64 3500+ computer with 1 gig ram. I have the latest itunes/quicktime unibins, VLC unibin, adium unibin. I do not notice anything different. Rosetta works fine, much faster in emulation than Office runs on my G4.


There's one thing you dont have..
EFI

[branana]

There's one thing you dont have..
EFI

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d915pdt/
Boards like that based on 915 and 945 chipsets are already purchasable in your local store. Put in a 3.2ghz Pentium D, and it's ready to go.

[asherman13]

ive heard that about viruses for years

i think that that's more about the fact that there are very, very few mac users who would actually want to write viruses; we're only 5% (newsweek's interview with sj), and almost all of us don't want our macs to be disabled.

they could specify somewhere in the soft/firmware that the os that'll be available in stores will only run on certain configurations. besides, there isn't a reason for them to sell the x86 verson of the os until 10.5, since all new intel macs will ship with it, and they wouldn't want anybody to be using it on anything but the new intel macs.

[Daedalus256]

what are you guys talking about? It won't be hard to install OSX on an x86 platform. It'll be like installing windows on a PC! Same basic idea, same basic type of install, same damn platform. It won't be hard to install OSX on a PC.

[Nermal]

It'll be like installing windows on a PC!

Windows doesn't have checks to ensure that it's running on Apple hardware.

[Airforce]

It'll be like installing windows on a PC!

When 10.4.4 is hacked, no doubt about that. It is that way with 10.4.3. It is just a matter of burning it to a DVD and starting up the computer.

[BakedBeans]

What is it with people who think they know everything and dont really know anything at all

5% sounds small doesnt it - except when you count the 70% us educational market and the 80% creative pro market. and that there are multi millions of mac users.

[Peace]

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d915pdt/
Boards like that based on 915 and 945 chipsets are already purchasable in your local store. Put in a 3.2ghz Pentium D, and it's ready to go.


I was refering to OS X 10.4.3 ;)

[branana]

10.4.3 was very easy yea, Bittorrent the ISO, burn, install, setup safari preferences. Took 30minutes to get it installed and going.

[Peace]

10.4.3 was very easy yea, Bittorrent the ISO, burn, install, setup safari preferences. Took 30minutes to get it installed and going.


You will find when you steal a copy of OS X 10.4.4 and "try" to install on your PeeCee that you're gonna need to learn more than simple script..

Trust me ;)

[EricNau]

i think that that's more about the fact that there are very, very few mac users who would actually want to write viruses; we're only 5% (newsweek's interview with sj), and almost all of us don't want our macs to be disabled.
Who says you need to be a Mac user to make a virus for a Mac? What about all of those Windows users who are sick of us Mac users saying "We don't get viruses, HaHa."

I'm sick of people saying that Apple doesn't get viruses because no one wants to make one. There are 1000's of people that would love to make one - they just can't!

[SiliconAddict]

Your a windows user arent you?

osx is on a few pc boxes - but only the crapiest developers version. wether the true osx gets on to pc boxes remains to be seen


It will be. Its only a matter of time.

[BakedBeans]

You will find when you steal a copy of OS X 10.4.4 and "try" to install on your PeeCee that you're gonna need to learn more than simple script..

Trust me ;)

Spot on!!

And THIS man DOES know what he is talking about

It will be. Its only a matter of time.

Wide Spread?

Or does it require hardware mods?

[RacerX]

Odd... I would have thought that the forum rules would have had this thread locked by now. I guess it is now okay to discuss using commercial software in violation of its license.

[MacsRgr8]

If it is technically possible (how hard it may be..), it will be done.

It's all about prestige..... who will be able to run 10.4.4 on a non-Mac Intel first.

[EricNau]

Odd... I would have thought that the forum rules would have had this thread locked by now. I guess it is now okay to discuss using commercial software in violation of its license.
No one is talking about actually doing it. They are just curious if it can be done. Until someone has posted step by step instructions on how to do it, no rules/laws have been broken.

If it is technically possible (how hard it may be..), it will be done.

It's all about prestige..... who will be able to run 10.4.4 on a non-Mac Intel first.
What about the first person to make a Virus for Mac? Thought there would be some prestige there also. :confused: :p

[Nermal]

No one is talking about actually doing it. They are just curious if it can be done. Until someone has posted step by step instructions on how to do it, no rules/laws have been broken.

Plus nobody's hit the Report button yet :rolleyes:

[SiliconAddict]

Who says you need to be a Mac user to make a virus for a Mac? What about all of those Windows users who are sick of us Mac users saying "We don't get viruses, HaHa."

I'm sick of people saying that Apple doesn't get viruses because no one wants to make one. There are 1000's of people that would love to make one - they just can't!

It’s always been a barrier to entry. To write a virus for the Mac you need to own a Mac first. Even cheapo ones on e-bay aren't all that cheap if you are just doing this for kicks. Now that OS X86 is being installed on PC hardware its trivial, assuming you can install it, to get the environment running. Its somewhat of a moot point though. Most virus writers are script kiddies now a days. They wouldn't know how to really build a virus from a vulnerability they found if it bit em in the ***. Now a days all virus writers do is sit back, wait for MS to release the latest security patch, from their description figure out what hole its patching, reverse engineer the patch, and build a virus off the vulnerability, taking advantage of the god know how many users out there who don't know enough to run Windows update once a month. I KNOW that a virus could be designed for OS X. The problem is that it would take someone with some serious skills to build one. And frankly viruses aren't today's biggest problems. Viruses are annoying. What is dangerous are worms. The malware that can jump from system to system to system without user intervention. But that requires a massive amount of ports to be left open and vulnerable. Something that OS X doesn't have. Do I think X is going to get a virus? Yes. Someday. Do I think its going to be as dangerous as MS Blaster that hit the Windows world like a ****storm? Not a chance in heck.

[Benjamindaines]

No one is talking about actually doing it. They are just curious if it can be done. Until someone has posted step by step instructions on how to do it, no rules/laws have been broken.
Well, First you put the DVD in and turn the computer on, then boot into DOS and type "kill windows mac rules", and there you go.

But seriously I think that some one will crack 10.4.4 and the Apple will change how the lock it to the hardware and then no one will be able to crack it from then on.

[SiliconAddict]

Wide Spread?

Or does it require hardware mods?

I don't think anything being hacked will ever become widespread other then to the handful (relatively speaking.) of nerds out there who want to run it on their dual core X2 with 2GB of RAM, 1TB of storage space, and quadbooting system of OS X, XP, Vista, Slackware Linux, and BeOS. I personally only know 2 people who have hacked OS X onto their system. Performance wasn’t great so they went Meh and removed it. I think at best there is probably 5% of Microsoft’s 90% market share that is infested in stealing OS X. The rest are up for grabs and frankly at 5% market share Apple will welcome any of that 85% with open arms.

As for what is required. :confused: Who knows. My guess is that whatever authentication system will be physically broken in the code before install on the restore CD/DVD and a patch will be slipstreamed into the install. I think it’s going to become a cat and mouse game. Ever time Apple release a patch it will have something that checks for X and if it isn't there it repairs it and people are back to square one with their install. Think about that a second. The next version of iTunes has this in it. The next iLife package has it. 10.4.5 has it. 10.4.6 has it. Then every patch in between.

[RacerX]

No one is talking about actually doing it.Posters in this thread have said that they have done it (with the developer version), which is a violation of the license of that software.

Plus nobody's hit the Report button yetWith a moderator posting in the thread, should anyone need to hit the report button?

It just looks like MacRumors is now endorsing at least the discussion of violating Apple software licenses.

:rolleyes:

And I find that to be an interesting development.

[BakedBeans]

Posters in this thread have said that they have done it (with the developer version), which is a violation of the license of that software.

With a moderator posting in the thread, should anyone need to hit the report button?

It just looks like MacRumors is now endorsing at least the discussion of violating Apple software licenses.

:rolleyes:

And I find that to be an interesting development.

come on bud - we are starting to have a nice adult (ish) convo about the title of the thread - meh

[branana]

Well, First you put the DVD in and turn the computer on, then boot into DOS and type "kill windows mac rules", and there you go.

But seriously I think that some one will crack 10.4.4 and the Apple will change how the lock it to the hardware and then no one will be able to crack it from then on.

Somebody will crack the protection that's for sure, just a question of how long it will take him. Apple will jump on it to fix it. Then more people will take shots at cracking it.

This is just Apple's profitability and resources versus the resources of a large, eager, cheap potential-OSX users. In the end I think Apple would lose in a war vs The Scene scenario.

The way Apple would deliver updates to the OS is through Software Update, who will run Software Update daily? Not many. How many people still are using OSX (PPC for example) 10.4.1? 10.4.2 ? A lot of them out there. The thing is, sure in 10.4.9 there's new code disabling booting in non-Apple hardware again, and it takes longer to crack. But those already running 10.4.8 on Intel-clones wouldn't even NEED to upgrade anyways. All their software run fine. Let the crackers do their thing, take their time. When the "fixed 10.4.9" comes around, BT. If you are running 10.4.3 Intel right now and you do not NEED to update, all unibins/ppc apps run fine.

Apple has jumped into the market of the 95%. Can anyone name a mass-market application that technically runs on 95% of the market that has not had its copyright protection bypassed/disabled/rewritten? What happened to Windows Activation? What happened to Adobe activation? Will OSX have to phone home every boot up? Will OSX require a working internet connection? Will OSX pass every system call first to www.apple.com then back? Nope.

Do not be agitated because you need to shell out big bucks for an iMac Intel to use OSX Intel and other do not.

- You are doing this legally, you are supporting Apple (quality software and hardware company).
- The pirates are enjoying an OS they really like. Many of these pirates had never looked an Apple respectfully before.
- A lot of these pirates will think twice about the purchase of a new computer, Made-by-apple-in-cali or made by Gramps Computers
- More people using OSX will mean more software developers for OSX

[Benjamindaines]

Another thing to take into consideration is that Apple had to of thought of this when they decided to switch to Intel so they most definitely have a solution.

[branana]

I don't think anything being hacked will ever become widespread other then to the handful (relatively speaking.) of nerds out there who want to run it on their dual core X2 with 2GB of RAM, 1TB of storage space, and quadbooting system of OS X, XP, Vista, Slackware Linux, and BeOS. I personally only know 2 people who have hacked OS X onto their system. Performance wasn’t great so they went Meh and removed it. I think at best there is probably 5% of Microsoft’s 90% market share that is infested in stealing OS X. The rest are up for grabs and frankly at 5% market share Apple will welcome any of that 85% with open arms.

As for what is required. :confused: Who knows. My guess is that whatever authentication system will be physically broken in the code before install on the restore CD/DVD and a patch will be slipstreamed into the install. I think it’s going to become a cat and mouse game. Ever time Apple release a patch it will have something that checks for X and if it isn't there it repairs it and people are back to square one with their install. Think about that a second. The next version of iTunes has this in it. The next iLife package has it. 10.4.5 has it. 10.4.6 has it. Then every patch in between.

I disagree. Apple would never implement destructive behaviours into things like iTunes updates. I can see that if iTunes doesn't detect the right hardware ID or something, it would quit and throw an error. I do not see it disable the OS/wipe your hard drive because there's the 0.001% unlucky legit user who will get the wrath of Apple that way. Apple definitely do not want to be seen like that. If iTunes will go around with a malware behaviour like that many people will turn to open-source solutions.

Add: every PC game patch version of every game has a crack

[mulletman13]

Apple has jumped into the market of the 95%. Can anyone name a mass-market application that technically runs on 95% of the market that has not had its copyright protection bypassed/disabled/rewritten? What happened to Windows Activation? What happened to Adobe activation? Will OSX have to phone home every boot up? Will OSX require a working internet connection? Will OSX pass every system call first to www.apple.com then back? Nope.



I know this doesn't really fall into your guidelines, but AFAIK, Logic Pro has not been cracked yet, as it requires a hardware key to run.

[Nermal]

With a moderator posting in the thread, should anyone need to hit the report button?

I'm just lazy today :p

Besides, as mentioned, talking about whether it's possible is OK, just don't post back with how to do it, or ask for help with doing it.

[Airforce]

I know this doesn't really fall into your guidelines, but AFAIK, Logic Pro has not been cracked yet, as it requires a hardware key to run.

Looks like there is a work-around, but you lose some of the functionality.

Whew...that is some pricey 1s and 0s!

[Macmadant]

10.4.3 was very easy yea, Bittorrent the ISO, burn, install, setup safari preferences. Took 30minutes to get it installed and going.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Airforce]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Cheers :p ;)

[iEdd]

I know apple will try their best to prevent mac os x to be on 'dull little boxes', but I really can imagine it being cracked/hacked in the future. I'm not sure how their prevention hardware detection system works, but if software has to detect hardware, then generally that hardware can be emulated.

[iMeowbot]

Looks like there is a work-around, but you lose some of the functionality.
Those "work-arounds" basically turn Logic Pro into Logic Express, which doesn't use the dongle. One of the funny bits with Logic is that some legit owners of the product are the most interested in getting rid of the XSKey.
Whew...that is some pricey 1s and 0s!
You should see what Logic users spend on hardware :)