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Jan 17, 2006, 08:53 AM
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Lacero
Jan 17, 2006, 09:02 AM
I think iWeb sucks, even as a personal website creation tool.

Creating a simple website of 5 pages, and one of those pages with a 4 picture slideshow, the web folder came in at a whopping 5 MBs. All the images came out as PNGs averaging 300KB each! No way to save as JPG. This app sucks as much as Pages. Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

Flying Llama
Jan 17, 2006, 10:09 AM
I agree, Apple's software is beginning to suck... :(

Danksi
Jan 17, 2006, 10:36 AM
I'm awaiting iLife 06 in the post. Following some initial reviews and demo's the introduction of iWeb wasn't top of my interest list, but the updates to iPhoto and iMovie were - hopefully I'm not going to be disappointed.

gauchogolfer
Jan 17, 2006, 10:42 AM
I agree, Apple's software is beginning to suck... :(

I'd say this is a bit overblown, since there's no comparable suite of products out there for the price that does what iLife can. Keynote is a great, great product, and I think Pages is coming along with v2.0. Just because v1.0 of iWeb isn't perfect isn't enough reason to say Apple software sucks.

fearlessleader
Jan 17, 2006, 10:46 AM
It looks like iWeb has a LONG way to go to be anywhere near as useful as the rest of the iLife suite. Apple hopefully knows that the greatest thing about apps like iMovie and iPhoto is the ability to "release your inner Spielberg" and so on... iWeb, in its current state seems to be yelling "Conform, conform, conform!!!"

So for the Grandmas of the world who are switching to Macs, iWeb will blow your mind. For the rest of us, it is suckage incarnate.:(

serralves
Jan 17, 2006, 10:49 AM
So what are the reasonable alternatives?

I've tried the Sandvox beta which was fun even despite being hamstrung by the odd bug and the supression of a feature here and there... I'm very interested in the full version of that...

Beyond that, can anyone reccomend a good website maker where you can switch between code and a preview (and possibly WYSIWYG for lazy moments?)

Matt

jmkcp
Jan 17, 2006, 11:03 AM
"Beyond that, can anyone reccomend a good website maker where you can switch between code and a preview (and possibly WYSIWYG for lazy moments?)"

I've never tried it, but Freeway (Express or Pro) is the closest thing between iWeb and Dreamweaver. RapidWeaver is ok...a little more like iWeb (cause you choose templates), but with more flexibility.

Danksi
Jan 17, 2006, 11:11 AM
"Beyond that, can anyone reccomend a good website maker where you can switch between code and a preview (and possibly WYSIWYG for lazy moments?)"

I've never tried it, but Freeway (Express or Pro) is the closest thing between iWeb and Dreamweaver. RapidWeaver is ok...a little more like iWeb (cause you choose templates), but with more flexibility.

Rapidweaver is available as a try-out and seems worth a try. It appears to integrate with iLife and offer some other features like Podcasting.

war
Jan 17, 2006, 11:39 AM
Many people are giving their complaints about iWeb. For many people on here those complaints are valid but let's look for the totally clueless computer user. iWeb is by no means an application for the power user but for someone who knows nothing about web page creation this can be a great tool. I could easily see someone without any web page creation experience loving this program. I used to teach dreamweaver classes and all those options were cofusing to alot of people. However, a nice simple interface like iWeb would be great for someone like my sister who just might want to post new pics of her kids that she took with her digital camera on the web. Heck, I could even see my nephews putting together a page with a program like this. Let's try to put this program in the proper light. Is it a perfect program? No. Would it be a great web page creation solution for non-html knowing joe schmo? Absolutely. Would this be a great change for people who tried making a web page in front page but then gave up because it was too difficult to use? You Betcha. This makes another seemingly difficult task become easy to the average computer user. Guess what, it's yet another reason to buy a mac when it comes to new computer purchase time.

dubbz
Jan 17, 2006, 11:54 AM
Creating a simple website of 5 pages, and one of those pages with a 4 picture slideshow, the web folder came in at a whopping 5 MBs. All the images came out as PNGs averaging 300KB each! No way to save as JPG. This app sucks as much as Pages.

Ugggh... I love PNG, but I hate it when some people, or software, insist on using it as a JPG replacement for websites.

nagromme
Jan 17, 2006, 12:27 PM
So for the Grandmas of the world who are switching to Macs, iWeb will blow your mind. For the rest of us, it is suckage incarnate.:(

The main problem some people have with some Apple software is when it fills a niche that isn't THEM. Really simple software that does its job and is fun has its place.

Look at Pages. Some people LOVE it. Some people HATE it. The latter seem to think is must be compared to Microsoft Word. In fact, it's not trying to BE that. It's BETTER than Word--but only if it's the KIND of program you need/want. Otherwise it too "sucks." But there is room in the world for multiple DIFFERENT kinds of word processor--and web app etc. For DIFFERENT people and their needs.

Something that doesn't meet MY personal needs doesn't "suck" because of it.

EDIT: Agreed about PNG. JPEG compactness is still vital. I really wish JPEG2000 was commonplace! MUCH smaller files than PNG, and yet much better quality than JPEG.

XNine
Jan 17, 2006, 12:33 PM
I messed around with this app last night and I like it. I don't know html/flash, and I find iWeb to be pretty decent. There's a lot of "hidden features" that I feel most people really don't know about ebcause they didn't take the time to sit down with it for a couple of hours. Each template is customizable.

It's decent for those of us who have no idea how to make a fully featured webpage, and want to make a site based on simplicity..

amin
Jan 17, 2006, 12:46 PM
I think iWeb sucks, even as a personal website creation tool.

Creating a simple website of 5 pages, and one of those pages with a 4 picture slideshow, the web folder came in at a whopping 5 MBs. All the images came out as PNGs averaging 300KB each! No way to save as JPG. This app sucks as much as Pages. Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)
I had a similar experience. I currently have many many photo pages on my iDisk, made with Homepage. If I had made them all with iWeb, my iDisk would long ago have been full.

winmacguy
Jan 17, 2006, 03:54 PM
I agree, Apple's software is beginning to suck... :(
I seem to remember similar reports of FCP being pretty mediocre when v 1.0 first came out and InDesign 1.0 was pretty marginal, v1.5 was no good because it wouldn't postscript files to PDF so they bought out v1.5.2 shortly there after. I would imagine that Apple is going to do a lot of work to both Aperture and iWeb to bring them both up to standard now that they have been released.

Edit: Something else I have notice a lot in the last week or so, and that is that there is a lot of posters with the 'newbies' label on the forum now. This is good to see. I hope a lot of them are switchers. I hope to see a lot more newbies in the coming weeks. :)

amin
Jan 17, 2006, 08:35 PM
I think iWeb sucks, even as a personal website creation tool.

Creating a simple website of 5 pages, and one of those pages with a 4 picture slideshow, the web folder came in at a whopping 5 MBs. All the images came out as PNGs averaging 300KB each! No way to save as JPG. This app sucks as much as Pages. Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)
I played around more with iWeb today, and I am liking it more as I understand the features. For the record, my iWeb photo galleries are definitely in JPG, not PNG. Here's an example: http://web.mac.com/asabet/iWeb/2006/Menu/Menu.html

sjk
Jan 18, 2006, 02:00 PM
Something that doesn't meet MY personal needs doesn't "suck" because of it.Maybe "doesn't necessarily ..." would be more accurate? :)

Anyway, I agree with your point about unfair s-word-labeled generalizations about software. I'm more inspired to try iWeb and make my own opinions by positive posts like Onizuka's and amin's that avoid labeling it than I am not to try it by negative posts that do.

What'll matter most to the majority of iWeb users is whether or not it's a capable tool for producing the results they're interested in, regardless of anyone else thinks or says about it. If you disagree then show me any software where that isn't true and I'll reconsider my statement.