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Sayhey
Jan 18, 2006, 04:57 AM
Found this via a link from the Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/18/25820/4474) and it is encouraging that some conservatives are taking this issue seriously.

Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances (PRCB) today called upon Congress to hold open, substantive oversight hearings examining the President's authorization of the National Security Agency (NSA) to violate domestic surveillance requirements outlined in the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, chairman of PRCB, was joined by fellow conservatives Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR); David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union; Paul Weyrich, chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation and Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, in urging lawmakers to use NSA hearings to establish a solid foundation for restoring much needed constitutional checks and balances to intelligence law.

"When the Patriot Act was passed shortly after 9-11, the federal government was granted expanded access to Americans' private information," said Barr. "However, federal law still clearly states that intelligence agents must have a court order to conduct electronic surveillance of Americans on these shores. Yet the federal government overstepped the protections of the Constitution and the plain language of FISA to eavesdrop on Americans' private communication without any judicial checks and without proof that they are involved in terrorism."

The following can be attributed to PRCB members:

"I believe that our executive branch cannot continue to operate without the checks of the other branches. However, I stand behind the President in encouraging Congress to operate cautiously during the hearings so that sensitive government intelligence is not given to our enemies." -- Paul Weyrich, chairman and CEO, Free Congress Foundation

"Public hearings on this issue are essential to addressing the serious concerns raised by alarming revelations of NSA electronic eavesdropping." -- Grover Norquist, president, Americans for Tax Reform

"The need to reform surveillance laws and practices adopted since 9/11 is more apparent now than ever. No one would deny the government the power it needs to protect us all, but when that power poses a threat to the basic rights that make our nation unique, its exercise must be carefully monitored by Congress and the courts. This is not a partisan issue; it is an issue of safeguarding the fundamental freedoms of all Americans so that future administrations do not interpret our laws in ways that pose constitutional concerns." -- David Keene, chairman, American Conservative Union

"If the law is not reformed, ordinary Americans' personal information could be swept into all-encompassing federal databases encroaching upon every aspect of their private lives. This is of particular concern to gun owners, whose rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment are currently being infringed upon under the Patriot Act's controversial record search provisions." -- Alan Gottlieb, founder, Second Amendment Foundation

Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances is an organization dedicated to protecting Americans' fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment and ensuring that all provisions of the Patriot Act are in line with the Constitution. For more information, visit the Web site at http://www.checksbalances.org. US Newswire (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59381)



Dont Hurt Me
Jan 18, 2006, 12:17 PM
Whats the point of Law if King George can just do as he wants and make it up as he goes? Let me get this right
1st we let in terrorists with visa's that were never looked at.???
2nd those terrorists do 911 with cia trained bin ladens help ???
3rd Bush uses 911 to start a war in Iraq with bad cia info though he knows he has nothing.???
4th Bush wants to spy on Americans and torture people they round up worldwide and send to secret camps,secret flights etc, with innocent people grabbed who have no recourse against king George Bush.???
5th the Border is still wide open; any terrorist could walk across and most likely have allready and this is kept secret.???

Only reason Republicans are going to pretend to look into this is because of elections coming. Nothing will come of it but they will be beating thier chests on how they looked into it. Just like they looked into the administration who took us into Iraq with no WMD's.

I wish the republicans would look at this president with as much persistance they used chasing down Bill Clintons affair???
Its a very sad time in America when spying,torture,a false war and other stuff is ignored by a Republican congress but yet they spent millions trying clintons bj.

solvs
Jan 19, 2006, 12:28 AM
Only reason Republicans are going to pretend to look into this is because of elections coming.
Good point. I'd like to think they're finally tired of having their party hijacked, but I'm sure it's all for show. They have to walk the same line Dems do where they make a show about questioning Bush's actions, but don't want to take a stand against him. What would really be impressive is if they find him guilty and impeach him. I mean, based on how well Bush's support helped in VA and NJ, I'd think they'd want to at least distance themselves come reelection time. Especially those under indictment for the Abramoff scandal.

Thomas Veil
Jan 19, 2006, 09:18 AM
Never thought I'd find myself on the same side as guys like Grover Norquist, but the more the merrier.

Personally, I'd love to see Bush before a congressional committee. The legal and semantic hoops that he'd have to jump through to justify this affair would make Bill Clinton look like a model of forthrightness and moral rectitude.

XNine
Jan 19, 2006, 10:52 AM
I am glad to see that they're finally waking up to this.

I don't know the whole process of this, but if George Bush is found to be breaking the law (which he has, whether that has been "official" or not), and it is found so by congress, can he be impeached?

leekohler
Jan 19, 2006, 11:23 AM
I am glad to see that they're finally waking up to this.

I don't know the whole process of this, but if George Bush is found to be breaking the law (which he has, whether that has been "official" or not), and it is found so by congress, can he be impeached?

Yes- and the sooner the better.

Thanatoast
Jan 19, 2006, 12:02 PM
But we're only in step one of the process.

1. Bush gets caught breaking the law/perpetrating some malfeasence.
2. Bush claims the terrorists made him do it.
3. Bush claims it's not illegal to invade unilaterally/knowingly use bad intelligence/spy without warrants/kidnap people off the street/torture prisoners.
4. Bush claims that he does not perpetrate these malfeasences, in fact, he is the only one keeping the entire world from doing these nasty things, that he is actually the champion people who hate these things, and besides, Saddam was a bad man.
5. Bush finds a sacrificial lamb who takes the fall for the administration
6. Bush releases some new "good" news/reaches a milestone in Iraq such as "only three ponies were killed today" and the news media immediately forgets what they were just talking about.

takao
Jan 19, 2006, 02:13 PM
But we're only in step one of the process.
[snip]

well it could be worse.. be happy you don't have somebody as nice as our Chancellor who simply sits through every scandal without any comments and the people will still vote for him arghhh

edit: or our financial minister who perhaps is the biggest political eel in existence.. while being clueless and the biggest arrogant &%)ß i've ever seen

skunk
Jan 19, 2006, 02:35 PM
Schroeder puts other European leaders to shame with his shenanigans: immediately after leaving office, he took a job at Gazprom, Putin's little fiefdom, and is now officially Putin's lapdog, rather than unofficially, as he was before he left.:rolleyes:

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 19, 2006, 03:48 PM
You mean the same Putin who is giving Iran Nuclear Weapons capability? George Bush and his buddy communist Putin. What a team:rolleyes:

takao
Jan 19, 2006, 05:40 PM
well as long as the US is supporting pakistan i'm not that worried about Putin .. after all they gave North Korea the technology and not Russia ;)


that aside it's hardly surprising that Putin has good relationships with German politicians ... he has been there for years and speaks german fluently (according to wikipedia he is married to a German teacher, his daughters visited the German school in moscow)

Thomas Veil
Jan 20, 2006, 12:07 AM
What a lovely discussion: comparing corrupt leaders of supposedly free countries. :rolleyes: