President Bush tells abortion foes that their cause is 'noble'

[Blue Velvet]

President George W. Bush told anti-abortion activists marching in Washington today that their devotion to what he called a 'noble cause' will help them prevail.

'You believe, as I do, that every human life has value, that the strong have a duty to protect the weak, and that the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence apply to everyone, not just to those considered healthy or wanted or convenient,' Bush said in a telephone call broadcast to the demonstrators gathered at the U.S. Capitol.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a_QjqCRVgpec&refer=us


All I can say is ugh. :mad:

How many more months of this slack-jawed reprobate do you guys have to put up with?

[PlaceofDis]

too many to want to know BV.

something needs to be done about this guy. really.

[joepunk]

I've lost count.

I so wish we could have a vote of no confidence like what happened to Paul Martin and the Liberal Party in Canada.

[bousozoku]

Too bad the president can't be pregnant (The Pregidant?). He'd probably change his mind quickly.

I wonder if he agrees with those abortion foes who decided to use much stronger ammunition.

[freeny]

aproximately 34:(

I hear John Hinkley is getting more unsupervised home visits.......

[Blue Velvet]

I find it odd that a head of state can be so outspoken and partisan on a matter such as this. Over here, leading politicians would be extremely cagey about making their views publicly known on this matter.

I guess that it comes down to shoring up and mobilising your support-base.

[freeny]

I find it odd that a head of state can be so outspoken and partisan on a matter such as this. Over here, leading politicians would be extremely cagey about making their views publicly known on this matter.

I guess that it comes down to shoring up and mobilising your support-base.
I dont think he ever mentioned the word "abortion" and "Noble cause" in the same sentence. But we all know what he meant. Its all in the wording.
People are pretty hard believers on both sides of this case. I wouldnt be surprised if something or someone crazy goes down on this matter. I feel like the pot is starting to boil....:eek:

[Dale Sorel]

too many to want to know BV.

something needs to be done about this guy. really.

We already did something... we reelected him :cool:

[PlaceofDis]

We already did something... we reelected him :cool:

i didn't vote for him. either time. i tried.

[freeny]

i didn't vote for him. either time. i tried.
I heard some people in Ohio voted for him 3 or 4 times:D

[zimv20]

I guess that it comes down to shoring up and mobilising your support-base.
i think that's it exactly. i'm sure bush would love nothing more than a poll boost leading up to the january 31 state of the union address.

[Thanatoast]

Well, hey. The fundamentalist right is currently in a frenzy. They've only got two more years to press their agenda, maybe less if '06 goes wrong for them.

Let them burn themselves out trying to turn back the clock. They can make things uncomfortable for the rest of us, maybe, for a while. But they've overstepped themselves and the country is starting to wake up. We're not buying this "poor, abused Christians" story.

Now if we could just get some fearless leadership from the Dems, we'd be okay. It won't take much to stymie the nutcases, but you can see everytime that a Democrat goes up against a Republican on "values", he's got a tin ear and no balls.

[leekohler]

i didn't vote for him. either time. i tried.

Neither did I. He's a fool. And we are reaping the benefits of our error. Unfortunately, so is the rest of the world.

[3rdpath]

"You believe, as I do, that every human life has value, that the strong have a duty to protect the weak, and that the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence apply to everyone, not just to those considered healthy or wanted or convenient"

"every human life has value"--except of course those humans who may live in countries we choose to bomb. or those we choose to torture to death in remote prisons.

"the strong have a duty to protect the weak"--except if they happen to be poor and black and live in areas below sea level. or if they are poor and can't afford proper health care...or decent education...or decent nutrition.

"the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence apply to everyone"--except when those truths are civil liberties such as phone calls free of wiretapping, freedom from extraordinary rendition or propaganda fueled smear campaigns.

[Artful Dodger]

Charges were brought up on Clinton for getting rid of... some stress let's say and someone like Bush who does more damage than good in many areas is able to remain. We all know what his boys (friends) have done as well. This seems to be a trend and a pretty crappy one at best. More people with power in government (the US) as of late just can't keep the crap in their mouth any longer, then wonder why people are upset with their comments :rolleyes:

[mactastic]

Hmm... I wonder why he didn't show up in person, what with the pimp rides he's got at his disposal.

Get those media advance guys out there with some fancy backdrops and those nice powerful lights that make him look so good. A classic Bush speech to give us that good sound bite for the news shows to play.

Perhaps a side trip to tell us all how safe we are because the NSA listens to keep us all free from harm. That no innocent Americans had their conversations listened in on 'inadvertently'. For sure no war protesters, or Democratic candidates or operatives, or other 'opposition' members, of course not.

Lots of flags, some soldiers... maybe a picture of Alito on a 'Mission Accomplished' banner...

It is a noble cause after all. ;)

[Dale Sorel]

i didn't vote for him. either time. i tried.

Wa wa wa... then I guess he's not your president :rolleyes:

[Deepdale]

How many more months of this slack-jawed reprobate do you guys have to put up with?

Reprobate ... in the land of Bushspeak that would be the rebate back on the purchase of a new MacBook Pro.

[skunk]

Wa wa wa... then I guess he's not your president :rolleyes:You still support him, after all the damage he's done to your country's standing in the world? What would he have to do to lose your support, I wonder?:confused:

[zimv20]

What would he have to do to lose your support, I wonder?:confused:
i bet if bush disbanded congress, reduced the courts to rubber stamping machines, called off all future elections and declared himself king for life, a solid 30% of americans would support that.

would that include you, mr sorel?

[solvs]

Wa wa wa... then I guess he's not your president :rolleyes:
He's supposed to be, but he keeps doing these things that wind up making everything worse. Thank you for keeping the debate civil though. I guess we aren't as noble for our opinions.

Anyway, the abortion thing is great to rally the troops, but won't work for them in the long run. If they ever did actually overturn Roe v. Wade there would be an uproar and a huge backlash. I'm pretty uncomfortable about the whole abortion thing, but I can't imagine the alternative. It's one of those necessary evils that we need social change to help, not just more nonsensical laws. Good luck on them trying though. They can take their whole hypocritical administration down with them. At least the rhetoric helps their base feel better about themselves if it is all talk.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Looks to me that the republicans are trying to stir up the abortion debate due to the scandals and all the crooks in the republican party these days. Im sorry but with so many issues and problems we are facing abortion is way down the list for me. If republicans think they are going to run again with this as their major issue i think they be in for a surprise. This issue was settled years ago in my book. We have bigger problems as a nation at the moment and thats a rotton Congress along with a president who wants to spy,torture and ignore law.

[freeny]

Wa wa wa... then I guess he's not your president :rolleyes:
Im going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are a Republican:confused:

You seem to wear that like a badge of honor:eek:

My three year old walks around with that same bravado and proundness after he takes a $#1+;)

[mactastic]

He's supposed to be, but he keeps doing these things that wind up making everything worse. Thank you for keeping the debate civil though. I guess we aren't as noble for our opinions.

Anyway, the abortion thing is great to rally the troops, but won't work for them in the long run. If they ever did actually overturn Roe v. Wade there would be an uproar and a huge backlash. I'm pretty uncomfortable about the whole abortion thing, but I can't imagine the alternative. It's one of those necessary evils that we need social change to help, not just more nonsensical laws. Good luck on them trying though. They can take their whole hypocritical administration down with them. At least the rhetoric helps their base feel better about themselves if it is all talk.
And just think, it'll only take 30 - 40 years to fix the SCOTUS!

Of course, if Roe v Wade IS overturned it will be a long time before a religious conservative gets elected president again on a platform of putting in more justices like Scalia and Thomas. The GOP knows this, but they are in a trap of their own making. We saw the extreme right go into an uproar over the previous nominee when her abortion bona-fides came into question.

Same problem the GOP has created for themselves on taxes -- the only way taxes go is down in their playbook. But what happens when taxes go to zero? Or so low that there isn't enough revenue to provide the service level the public demands?

D'oh. But again, it will be decades before the damage from this administration can be undone. And if the Dems can't get it together in '08 the SCOTUS will have a solid extreme activist right wing majority...

[aquajet]

D'oh. But again, it will be decades before the damage from this administration can be undone. And if the Dems can't get it together in '08 the SCOTUS will have a solid extreme activist right wing majority...

Heh...well look at that. Aren't you one of those who blasted me for throwing that word around? :p

[XNine]

Puts on best Bush impression:

"My fellow Americans, the fetus are vulnerable, frail creatures, just like those who died on September 11th. Innocent victims of a war they have nothing to do with.

I ask you now, to consider all abortion clinics, members of the jeehawd. Because they hate your fetus's freedom. They want to take the fetuses freedom away. I, George Dubbaya Bush, declare every Monday "Fetus Day."

So, when you're in your garage with your cross hung above the workbench mixing your explosives, please remember to pray for the safety of every fetus. And while planting your pipe bombs near Planned Parenthood facilities all around the country, remember that the "innocent" men and women walking through there are secretly trying to destroy the dream of the fetus. They will say they are there for birth control, they will say they they are there for marriage counseling, but the truth is, is that they hate the fetus. And they will do whatever they can, say whatever they can, to destroy it.

And so, my fellow Americans, Christians, and upper class white people. Remember that the fetus is your friend. It is your brother.... [Pauses while realizing he should be talking about Iraq, and that he shouldn't have written a speach without partnering with hsi writing team first]


May we persevere over the terrorists, and win the war on terror. God bless you all."

please note - I have no stance on the Abortion issue. It does not include me as I am not a woman, therefor whatever women do is up to them, and I will not judge nor will I interfere, either way.

[Lyle]

Anyway, the abortion thing is great to rally the troops, but won't work for them in the long run. If they ever did actually overturn Roe v. Wade there would be an uproar and a huge backlash.To be sure, there would be an uproar from pro-choice advocates. But if the results of this latest Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1060) are accurate, the support for abortion has declined somewhat in recent years:
“What’s striking to me is that the numbers were radically different ten years ago,” said John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. “Ten years ago, maybe just seven or eight years ago, pro-choice forces were in the ascendancy and posted pro-choice numbers in the area of 65% to 68%.”

They still represent a majority, but just barely, the survey shows.You also said:
I'm pretty uncomfortable about the whole abortion thing, but I can't imagine the alternative. It's one of those necessary evils that we need social change to help, not just more nonsensical laws.I'm opposed to abortion, but I recognize that unless someone happens to share my religious beliefs about when life begins, then there's no point in debating with them about whether abortion is murder or not. The question that I struggle with is, if I do believe that it's murder, isn't it a moot point whether someone else believes it isn't? I don't know how to have a laissez-faire attitude about what I consider to a be a life or death issue.

[Ugg]

To be sure, there would be an uproar from pro-choice advocates. But if the results of this latest Zogby are accurate, the support for abortion has declined somewhat in recent years:
You also said:
I'm opposed to abortion, but I recognize that unless someone happens to share my religious beliefs about when life begins, then there's no point in debating with them about whether abortion is murder or not. The question that I struggle with is, if I do believe that it's murder, isn't it a moot point whether someone else believes it isn't? I don't know how to have a laissez-faire attitude about what I consider to a be a life or death issue.

I wonder what the reason is for the decline in support. Maybe there's less need? Sex Ed surely can't play a very big part in it. One reason, and I think that's why conservatism is so "in" right now, is the baby boomers are growing older and age is invariably entwined with conseratism.

The attitude of right to lifers would be a lot more palatable if it was coupled with a more, dare I say Christian attitude, towards family support. It's no surprise that a considerable number of abortions are had by married women with children who simply can't afford to take the time off work to have and care for another child. Why don't right to lifer's do something positive about this and announce some kind of family support program?

I also can't see how people can have a laissez-faire attitude towards family well-being.

[Lyle]

I wonder what the reason is for the decline in support. Maybe there's less need? Sex Ed surely can't play a very big part in it.Well, yes, but those sound like explanations for a decline in the number of abortions being sought. It may be the case that the number of abortions is down as well, but that's not what this poll is talking about, it's talking about an apparent change in peoples' attitudes towards abortion.

One reason [for the decline in support], and I think that's why conservatism is so "in" right now, is the baby boomers are growing older and age is invariably entwined with conservatism.Perhaps so...

The attitude of right to lifers would be a lot more palatable if it was coupled with a more, dare I say Christian attitude, towards family support. It's no surprise that a considerable number of abortions are had by married women with children who simply can't afford to take the time off work to have and care for another child. Why don't right to lifer's do something positive about this and announce some kind of family support program?

I also can't see how people can have a laissez-faire attitude towards family well-being.Agreed.

[MarkCollette]

I just wish that any relative of a politician, who gets an abortion, would have their name recorded, so that whenever these guys try to campaign on some sort of moral platform, that info will be right there.

Of course, I wouldn't actually want that, because of the privacy implications...

Damn.

[Ugg]

Well, yes, but those sound like explanations for a decline in the number of abortions being sought. It may be the case that the number of abortions is down as well, but that's not what this poll is talking about, it's talking about an apparent change in peoples' attitudes towards abortion.


If there's less need for abortion, perhaps more people aren't familiar with someone who has needed one and therefore less likely to sympathise. I'm just guessing here but as far as I know, abortion rates have gone down substantially in the last decade or so.

[MarkCollette]

If there's less need for abortion, perhaps more people aren't familiar with someone who has needed one and therefore less likely to sympathise. I'm just guessing here but as far as I know, abortion rates have gone down substantially in the last decade or so.

Maybe there's a demographical shift. Like, most women who have abortions are quite young, so as the baby boomer's children grow older, it's done less? I don't know, but it sure would be interesting to read a study on this.

What would _really_ suck, is if the baby boomers vote against access to abortions, now that they and their children don't need it as much anymore.

[Dale Sorel]

Im going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are a Republican:confused:

I guess I'll do the same and guess that you're a democrat... what's your point?

The bottom line is Dubya was reelected fair and square, yet some folks don't seem to get that.

[mactastic]

To be sure, there would be an uproar from pro-choice advocates. But if the results of this latest Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1060) are accurate, the support for abortion has declined somewhat in recent years:
Right, but see what a few botched abortions splashed across the news channel headlines do to public opinion. No one under 40 has any memory of a time when bleach or other horrible methods were used to obtain the abortions that will happen regardless of their legality.

Safe. Legal. Rare.

[solvs]

I guess I'll do the same and guess that you're a democrat... what's your point?
Why do you have to be a Dem to dislike Bush? Most of the people here are independent, some former Republicans, and some not even in the states. I guess it was presumptuous for him to guess you were a conservative, but it seems to have been a good guess.

The bottom line is Dubya was reelected fair and square, yet some folks don't seem to get that.
So? Just because he's the President doesn't mean we can't dislike him or disagree with him when he does stuff like this? Judging by recent polls, we would be in the majority in our disapproval of where the country is headed. It's funny, I remember being allowed to criticize Clinton, and I'm sure you did the same.

If Kerry were president right now, would you feel the same way?

[solvs]

To be sure, there would be an uproar from pro-choice advocates. But if the results of this latest Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1060) are accurate, the support for abortion has declined somewhat in recent years:
Yes, but they are a very vocal minority. I say minority, because like the gay rights issue, most people don't care. It's only the people that care either way that are the ones that are heard and most likely to vote. But wait for it to start effecting people at a personal level and there will be a backlash. Especially the hypocrites who vote against it, but then have a friend or family member who needs it. Especially in the cases of rape or incest. Or marital infidelity.

And some people believe meat is murder, but you can still eat steak. ;)