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Jan 26, 2006, 05:30 PM
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Link: Google admits online stumble (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20060126183053)
Description:: Google Inc., trying to extend its dominance of Internet search into the market for videos, said it made a mistake with the design of an online store.

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Doctor Q
Jan 26, 2006, 06:36 PM
The claim that Google Video was "appallingly half-baked" is a little severe. Perhaps "not full cooked when served" would be a more fair evaluation.

But I agree that "what Apple has done with the iTunes store sets the bar really high."

There have been glitches in iTMS now and then (including "free iTunes" that frequently aren't free when the links to them are added), but overall Apple has given the outward appearance of having long-term plans in place for the evolution of the store, and the implementation has run pretty smoothly, especially considering the huge traffic it gets.

That does make it harder for others to compete.

MacBandit
Jan 26, 2006, 10:03 PM
Personally I think iTunes organization for music is very good but they have yet to implement the same organizational methods for video. At this point it's horrible and there is no really good way to search for a video. All the search functions are focused on music. The same goes for podcasts. They need to change the focus of the main search box on the top right of the iTunes program so it searches for the media you are currently browsing not just music. Also the powers earch feature is very audio specific as well and the browse function is all but broken since it only shows a portion of all the videos available.

I wouldn't call this setting the bar very high. I would say it's more of a band aid patch to rush video to market and use there current interface with little to no modifications.

As for Google at least you can search for the videos and find what you are looking for and there browse function works as well.

redAPPLE
Jan 27, 2006, 01:39 AM
might be off topic, but i think the more important issue, is the banning of information (in china).

Fender2112
Jan 27, 2006, 09:52 AM
might be off topic, but i think the more important issue, is the banning of information (in china).
I agree, this the part that disturbs me. What I don't understand is this. If I'm in China and I'm connected the the Internet, which is world wide, what prevents a google search of the entire internet and finding these sites through other means.

shamino
Jan 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
I agree, this the part that disturbs me. What I don't understand is this. If I'm in China and I'm connected the the Internet, which is world wide, what prevents a google search of the entire internet and finding these sites through other means.
As I understand it, China routes all of their international data lines through some massive proxy/filter systems and blocks access to whatever sites the government wants to ban. This includes search engines and caches.

To counter this, people open international proxies that the Chinese people can use to access the rest of the internet. The Chinese government blocks these when they're discovered, but their owners quickly re-host them at other locations.

I understand Google's point - a filtered portal may be better than none at all, but I completely disagree with it. This portal gives legitimacy to the censorship itself.

BTW, doesn't Germany do something similar to censor what their citizens may see? It's my understanding that sites containing illegal content (like kiddie porn and pro-Nazi sites) are banned in a similar fashion. Or do they simply prosecute ISPs that fail to block the content?

MacBandit
Jan 27, 2006, 09:17 PM
As I understand it, China routes all of their international data lines through some massive proxy/filter systems and blocks access to whatever sites the government wants to ban. This includes search engines and caches.

To counter this, people open international proxies that the Chinese people can use to access the rest of the internet. The Chinese government blocks these when they're discovered, but their owners quickly re-host them at other locations.

I understand Google's point - a filtered portal may be better than none at all, but I completely disagree with it. This portal gives legitimacy to the censorship itself.

BTW, doesn't Germany do something similar to censor what their citizens may see? It's my understanding that sites containing illegal content (like kiddie porn and pro-Nazi sites) are banned in a similar fashion. Or do they simply prosecute ISPs that fail to block the content?

Your assessment of China is right on track but..... As with techno savy people there are a lot of hackers in China and they have been breaking the Governements control and have full access of the internet. I've even heard rumors that they have on several occasions completely removed the Chinese government safe guards giving the people of China internet freedom. Freedom breeds freedom and the internet as a whole is the very definition of freedom. It's only a matter of time before China loses control of it's people with there driver for further information and therefore freedom.