OSX is buggy enough to deter developers

[sr]

Macfanatics please take note. OSX has been a disaster despite all the hype. It came out unuseable and is slowly addressing bug after bug. But look at what its doing to potential software developers:

The Mac OS X release of ThinkFree Office has been pulled until Apple fixes a serious bug in their MRJ, Robert Jackson, ThinkFree's technical support manager, said in an e-mail message. "I do not expect the bug to be fixed for several months. In the meantime, you can use the current version of ThinkFree Office on Mac OS X in compatibility mode."

MRJ is Mac OS Runtime for Java, Apple's implementation of the Java Virtual Machine.

[CHess]

MRJ is not OS X. It is a Java implementation. I haven't had too much luck with running Java applets either, but that has nothing to do with how well Mac OS X applications run. I hope Apple fixes the bug, but frankly, I have little interest in Java applications right now.

Some disaster... :o

[AlphaTech]

So, ONE developer is not going forward, and a minor one at that... whoopdido. Condsidering how many software companies ARE developing applications for it, I am not worried. The only one lagging behind (as they are known to do very often) is Quark. Even they are saying there will be an update/patch to allow it to run native under OS X.

Have you checked lately at the numbers of freeware and shareware applications available for OS X??? They number in the thousands, with more coming out every day.

Which version are you thinking as unusable as you put it?? Was it the public beta, or before that??? I have been using it since the official release, and love it. I am using it exclusively on my 500MHz TiBook, and will continue to do so.

OS X is here to stay, it's just a matter of how soon you get it too.

[eyelikeart]

although there haven't been a ton....

I'm getting tired of these pessimistic, negative people bashing around here.....

get over yourselves and get a life!! :o

[mac15]

[QUOTE]MRJ is not OS X. It is a Java implementation. I haven't had too much luck with running Java applets either, but that has nothing to do with how well Mac OS X applications run. I hope Apple fixes the bug, but frankly, I have little interest in Java applications right now.

Some disaster...



here here:D :D :D :D

[maclamb]

Minor point: it's "hear hear" - but, ditto

I agree OSX is more stable, has great apps and is here to stay.
to consider the porting and implementation job and what they have done so soon is impressive. M$ OSes don't get fixed as fast.

I left the mac platform years ago b/c Mac8 kept crashing when doing audio or video editong/animation.

OSX is way more stable - geez it's been production less than a year...

[Mike Gagne]

......doesnt run well on a Mac?.....is this something new? I dont think so.....and I dont care either. Its all good by me

[j763]

YOU'RE KIDDING!!! NO THINKFREE OFFICE NATIVELY ON MAC OSX. DAMN, I'M GOING TO SELL THIS COMPUTER NOW!!! OMG OMG OMG - I CAN'T SEE HOW APPLE LET IT GET THIS BAD!!!!!! NO THINKFREE OFFICE??!! APPLE HAS CAUSED A MAJOR DISASTER WITH THIS ONE!!!!!!!


(yes, that was sarcasm)

:D :p etc.

[agreenster]

Seriously, what's Think Free Office? Ive never heard of it.



That oughta sum it up fer ya.

[chmorley]

If you think it's less stable than OS 9 (or Win ME/XP/etc.), you haven't used it lately.

If you think MRJ is OS X, you haven't been paying attention. Unfortunately, Apple's MRJ has always been sub-par.

If you think ThinkFree's problems represent a big problem for OS X...well I don't get that. Who uses it?

If you think this problem represents the sentiments of developers in general, I disagree. The evidence suggests exactly the opposite. We now have more people writing apps for the Mac than, well, a very long time ago. The Unix folks, the Mac folks, and the NeXT folks all seem pretty keen. Maybe the Java folks are unhappy, but that's not OS X being "buggy" or "a disaster". That's just melodramatic crap.

Good that people are concerned, but things are actually looking quite good.

CJM

[crassusad44]

sr: are you planning to become the new gocyrus?

damn, get over Think Free Orifice!

HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MANY DEVELOPERS FLOCKING TO THE MAC LATELY???? DID YOU SEE THE TWEAK FILMS DEMO DURING MWSF??????

Didn't think so either. Idiot (sorry, but your post was simply toooooo stupid!)

[keithcobbett]

If OS Bugs was a deterrent to developers, Windows would not exist. Plain and simple. OS X has less security problems and stability problems. I use a Dell and a Mac at work and I can count on a "Critical Update Notification" at least 2-4 times per month on my Win2K system. On OS X however, not nearly as frequently.

[tadpole]

hey man, i support you. don't let these tech illiterates get you down. OSX is still something of betaware as far as real world applications are concerned (server apps, etc. ) it seems to me that a lot of Mac fanatics have never coded anything worth a darn for themselves, nor have they tried to compile kernel modules. at the university, OSX has not been approved for widespread usage due to its instability- kernel panics galore. now before you guys flame me, imagine yourself losing part of your PhD dissertation or losing time when the kernel panics and you were optimizing your protein model....well that's a whole week's worth of work down the drain. i'm not pessimistic, i'm realistic.

[sr]

Yes the macnuts are doing their usual stuff. Do you think I had heard of Think Free before I read that article? No I hadn't. But that is not the point. My point is why have there been so many issues with OSX? When OSX came out, little could be done with it. I don't mean lack of software. I refer to its functionality. Drip by drip apple made improvements. Infrared, dvd, cdwrite, usb support etc are the big things which affected me. ( By the way, re usb - have you tried copying files from a usb storage device? Takes bloody ages). We are now waiting for the big 10.2 which will address a whole host of issues. Tho' we might get a 10.1.3 before. They came out with a beta for all sorts of reasons not least their problems with plumetting shares and apple execs behaving like Enron directors .......And you should see it as such.

The point is this. If you macnuts were less unconditional about your support for apple and behave like rational consumers, you would ultimately engender a better response from Apple.

[keithcobbett]

Originally posted by tadpole
hey man, i support you. don't let these tech illiterates get you down. OSX is still something of betaware as far as real world applications are concerned (server apps, etc. ) it seems to me that a lot of Mac fanatics have never coded anything worth a darn for themselves, nor have they tried to compile kernel modules. at the university, OSX has not been approved for widespread usage due to its instability- kernel panics galore. now before you guys flame me, imagine yourself losing part of your PhD dissertation or losing time when the kernel panics and you were optimizing your protein model....well that's a whole week's worth of work down the drain. i'm not pessimistic, i'm realistic.

I agree, to some degree. WinXP had a service pack available though the day it was released. OS X isn't a real "complete" system as of yet. It was definately released before it's time. It had to be for obvious reasons. Apple is slowly trying to grow from it's orginal roots of Graphics and home users. Slowly getting into businesses. If you consider doing hard core unix programming and modeling, consider Solaris maybe. It will ripen in time, it just takes time. But, it is a heck of a lot better than the Windows alternative. Of course, an etch-a-sketch would be a good alternative to Windows too. And boy is it stable, until you drop it. :)

[maclamb]

I agree - a "new" OS that is less than a year old is not what I would call full production.
Look at XP (ok , you don't have to if you don't want to ;-) Hordes of people are ging out of their way to avoid it altogether...
I worked at oracle for a while and production DBAs would start laughing about putting a new DB relase into production (8.0 comes to mind...) in its first year.

Beta? I don't now if I would go that far - but we don't stress test the macs here like tadpole apparently does.

I thought 10.0 was beta.
I have found 10.1.2 VERY stable - the only thing that freaks it is when I disconnect my Ti667 from the netwrok and switch over to the internal airport...
I have to close all net aware programs AND connections to other servers before I do or it locks up for about 2-3 minutes - then recovers.

BTW - does anyone know an easy way to connect to a wintel server from MacOSX w/o using Dave?

[keithcobbett]

Originally posted by maclamb
I agree - a "new" OS that is less than a year old is not what I would call full production.
Look at XP (ok , you don't have to if you don't want to ;-) Hordes of people are ging out of their way to avoid it altogether...
I worked at oracle for a while and production DBAs would start laughing about putting a new DB relase into production (8.0 comes to mind...) in its first year.

Beta? I don't now if I would go that far - but we don't stress test the macs here like tadpole apparently does.

I thought 10.0 was beta.
I have found 10.1.2 VERY stable - the only thing that freaks it is when I disconnect my Ti667 from the netwrok and switch over to the internal airport...
I have to close all net aware programs AND connections to other servers before I do or it locks up for about 2-3 minutes - then recovers.

BTW - does anyone know an easy way to connect to a wintel server from MacOSX w/o using Dave?

Just load the Apple Protocol on the Windows Server and Start an Apple Share on the server. This should do what you need.

[DakotaGuy]

"OSX is buggy enough to deter developers"

If thats the case why are there programs for Windows?

[Sayer]

Sure OS X will KP if you hotplug some el-cheapo USB floppy drive with a ****ty USB ('Ure Screwed, Buddy) chip.

I have stock hardware in my aging G4/450, except for the mouse and FireWire CD-R/W drive. I also have a Countour Shuttle Pro (brand new, not using it full time).

No KPs yet. Using a beta (PRE RELEASE) kext for my mouse did lock me up twice, so I removed it. When its done I will try it again and it had better not KP or lock me up or it goes to the Trash.

If you start adding things willy nilly, install all kinds of "new" OS X software left and right and expect it ALL to work PERFECTLY then you are living in one of those glass cubes on the nintendo commercials watching the pretty pictures zoom by.

It just isn't reality bub. Not even on Windoze ExPee. Hell that thing shipped with THOUSANDS of bugs all over the place. Industry trade mags always say skip the first release and wait for a service pack when it comes to Windoze. Is OS X immune because its built on UNIX (with lots and lots of custom stuff piled on top including compatible drivers for hundreds of devices)?

OSX will not KP while using an app that was properly WRITTEN in the first place unless you are trying to also burn a CD from iTunes to your Que! Crap CD-R/W drive or using some crap video card you got in the bargain bin at Fry's. Then the fault is probably yours. Only work on work with the minimum of add-in software that is NOT BETA RELASE if its so damned important.

I can't really shave and eat breakfast while driving my daughter to work if I want to avoid a car accident, is that Plymouth's fault? Hardly.

[sr]

Sayer, you are what we call a twerp. I am using a simple usb 64mb storage device. Not a floppy drive. Its like a pen and you shove it in the usb port. The mac does not crash. It is just very slow at copying files. If I stick the same device on a pc, I can zip thru 64mb with no probs.

All this is besides the point. The point is not to be unconditional in your praise of macs. Why the ******* do we have two macs in our household?( And three pcs for the record). Coz we like them, twerp. I like my powerbook. Git it, twerp? But to be uncritical - that is just irrational.

[tadpole]

AMEN brotha! I'm so tired of folks painting things black and white, macs are the good guys and pc's are the bad guys. except that macs are also technically pc's. you can love another human unconditionally, but you certainly cannot hold a machine in the same esteem.

[crassusad44]

sr: we are not uncritical, it's just that your ONE example is so *********. I use OS X every day, and love it. I know there are some issues to be solved still, but these are minor. If you look back one year and see what Apple has done, it's actually mighty impressive. This is something M$ never could have pulled off. When the clock strikes twelve for OS X, we can really start to discuss. What really p*ssed me off with your first post, was your bold statement that developers are not coming to X, because ONE Java developer has had some problems. Never, NEVER, is history have we seen so many developers looking towards Apple and the Mac. Your statement is plain wrong! Many interesting things are happening on this side of the fence, thanks to, well... Mac OS X.

OSX has been a disaster despite all the hype. It came out unuseable and is slowly addressing bug after bug.

Disaster? Hardly. Yes, OS X need to get more polished, and it will, but for a first year, OS X has been the greatest thing happening for the platform since the original Mac.

A last question for you. Why do you whine about being flamed? When you make stupid statements like in your first post, ON A MAC FORUM, expect to be flamed. Every «Machead» I know is exited about OS X. Many of us have our grapes about this new OS, and issues we want fixed, but when somebody (like you) are stupid, YES STUPID, enough to call our new favourite OS, a failure and even worse, a disaster, well then you will be flamed. You are welcome to start a discussion on what Apple has done right, and what they did wrong, with OS X, but please don't be the stupid ass you appear to be now.

Blah...

[Macmaniac]

Calling OS X slow and not delevepor friendly is just not right. Actually it is quite the opposite, developers are flocking to OS X to take advantage of its abilities. Comparing OS X to XP is like comparing a Porshe to a Kia, mind you XP is on the NT kernel so when it came out there were already 50000 hacks for NT, meanwhile when OS X came out it has a completely different kernel and there was not a hack for it yet. M$ rushed to put out XP after OS X came out.

Developers will hate OS X blah blah blah its buggy Blah Blah Blah:o You can feal the sarcasm:)

_______________________
Not all who wander are lost.

[sr]

Dear sadcrap44, Apple is a company. Like any company selling its wares it is allowed to indulge in hype. But why the hell do you the consumer believe all of it, hook, line and sinker?

The latest hype was the "great final component" of the digital hub. Oh boy - what was it? iPhoto. Do you know how iphoto behaves? How much space it takes up? That it keeps even the slightest alterations? But you will say, its a great step forward, and in a few months time it will be even better. Get real. Act like a rational agent. iPhoto is bugger all.

Does this mean I don't like macs? No it bloody well does not. But I don't wash my mouth out or flagellate myself with a whip everytime I utter the word pc or microsoft.

[crassusad44]

oh boy. waz up with you. having your period or what. you are so sad...

hmmm.... I'm sound to much like you... scary.

Sorry, don't mean to diss you, but listen to yourself. How many pints did you have tonight???
I for one, does not buy everything that comes out of Mr. Jobs' mouth. As for your iPhoto comment. Well, I WILL NOT install iPhoto, but simply because iPhoto is not for me. But iPhoto will be perfect for my parents. They know nothing about computers, but like to take family pictures. iPhoto would be great for them.
And as for the rest of the digital hub. iMovie? No, I use Final Cut Pro. iDVD 2? Although it's a great app to produce a DVD without much fuss, I prefer DVD Studio Pro.
I really don't see your point with all this posting. Let Macfanatics be Macfanatics. That's what's great with this community. We love our Macs. What's wrong with that??? OK, so maybe not everybody in this forum like to see negative post against the Mac. So what!
My point is. Expect to get flamed when you post stupid statements like in the start of this thread. You are welcome to call OS X a disaster, but you seriously need better arguments than what you have presented as of now.

So sad, so sad, so sad... :(

[sr]

You are the one who needs to hit the prozac, mate.

My point about iPhoto was Apple's hype. And people believing it. I don't use it and would not install it. You no doubt use Photoshop and as you are finding in another thread that you are presently engaged in others are finding OSX very slow with Photoshop. But it works beautifully for you right? Quartz is pretty darn fast eh? Not according to others, crappuface but what do they know, right? And I bet you are have memorised Apple's hype about Gaussian blurs and **** like that.

Maybe too much prozac is why things are so good for you, crappuface. And for your info, no one has flamed me. But maybe now you will unless you pop another prozac quick.

[crassusad44]

With this engenius wordsmithing, you really get your point through... :p

[sr]

Listen crap face, I know you are a geek but you should try to spell "engenius" correctly. In two separate threads you get it wrong. But I wouldn't worry too much if you don't know how to use a dictionary. No one believes your half-wit photoshop tests or your pronouncements and spelling correctly won't make the slightest difference. Ya nut.

[crassusad44]

Det som er så jævla kult, er at jeg kan disse deg så forbanna bra på norsk, uten at du forstår en jævla dritt av hva jeg skriver. Men så lavt skal jeg ikke synke.

Comprendre?

I dun't give a rats ass abut mi mispelling. You seem to do though. You might not belive my Photoshop tests (well, then do them yourself), but that's yer problem mate, not mine!
You still don't really have a point now do you. And that is why you have to unleash your anger with me... I... Now wait a minute... Why do I even bother?????
Stupid english twat... Oooops. Sorry 'bout that...

Have a jolly good life mate!

[sr]

My point is simple. Treat apple hype with the contempt it deserves. My point re you is that you are an irrational geek with a penchant for not only swallowing apple hype but manufacturing it as well it seems. Maybe you see yourself as a norwegian rasta born to exalt the mac. Thats ok by me. But don't expect me to be impressed. Goodnight.

[AlphaTech]

This just in from MacCentral...

ThinkFree Office for Mac OS X due within 60 days
by Dennis Sellers, dsellers@maccentral.com
January 31, 2002 9:55 am ET

Tuesday we reported that ThinkFree Corp., a company that specializes in Web-based office productivity solutions, has pulled the Mac OS X version of ThinkFree Office for now due to problems with Apple's implementation of the Java Virtual Machine in Mac OS X.

The info was based on an e-mail from ThinkFree's technical support. However, CEO Bob Wise said the tech support personnel were "unfortunately not updated on our latest developments."

"We have made enormous progress on our OS X version in the last three weeks and support wasn't updated," he told MacCentral. "Needless to say we have corrected that and we expect to be shipping shortly. We intend to release our OS X product within 60 days."

ThinkFree Office uses Java technology to support a wide variety of operating systems and device platform. Written from the ground up in Java, the ThinkFree Office takes advantage of Mac OS X's Aqua user interface, according to TJ Kang, president and CTO for ThinkFree.

You can access the suite from any Internet-connected computer. File sharing capabilities are provided via a public folder that users can make available to friends and colleagues.


I love it when you can find an article to so thoroughly trash someone's statement... So much for OS X being buggy and dropped by developers. Your sources are way off... unless they are just the other voices in your head (which I suspect is the case).

[iH8Quark]

if Quark isn't out for OS X yet. It's an absolutely garish program in appearance and usability. (I pay $1000 for a program and there's no undo's and I can't hang punctuation? Give me a break.)

InDesign in SOOOOO much better. Quark is on its way out. :o

[sparkleytone]

you are an idiot. don't flame people unless you are intelligent enough for two-way repartee. just stop posting and go to your peeonmesee forums.

[networkman]

hey, speaking about flamewars

where is spikey and kela vs john123 or joeyj?

just wondering

but remember, we are all one the same side whether we are nice or mean and let's get mac back up to 5 percent market share!

[mischief]

Who are all these Freshmen, and why are they wasting my time?

There is only one way to guarentee a Kernel panic from OS X. Install it wrong.

Yer little USB device is slow because you're plugging it into either your keyboard or other "unpowered" USB hub.

OS X is second only to "straight" *nix in it's developer friendliness.

If the three of you could just get a life?

It bugs me when 2 or 3 fifteen year old punks get all high and mighty like they know their rectum from a hole in the ground. Go get laid.

:p :rolleyes:

[Rower_CPU]

My 3 cents (damn inflation :) )

When you post to ANY forum, nevermind one as vehement as this one, expect people to disagree and/or have something to say. If you take everything personally (as sr seemed to do) you're going to get into trouble.

Dissing people's spelling and/or grammar in just plain uncool. People post here from all over the world, so their english isn't always great. Sometimes people are just in a hurry and don't bother to be completely anal about proof reading. sr, I could point out several grammatical errors in what you wrote, but I'm not going to because that's not what these forums should be about.

And "mate", just because XP had a service pack out right when it was released is not necessarily a good thing. Sounds to me like Microsoft had to do some last minute bug fixing of their own. And don't even get me started on the security patches...

[sr]

I can't believe this thread is still going. What evidence is there that I am taking it personally? But I can get dirty as the rest of them. My point remains: start behaving like rational consumers. If something isn't right, dont go all cult-ish and say its great anyway. If apple bring out a powerbook with a speed bump and then 6 weeks later release a combo drive - behave like rational customers and tell them there should be some way to accomodate those who bought the same machine 6 weeks ago for the same price but now have less functionality. Their upgrade program is still not underway. My plea is for rational behaviour not the nonsense behaviour of crappusad and other cult members. Crap face even does his own photoshop tests which are, to anyone who owns a pc as well, plain rubbish.

[Xapplimatic]

All is futile.. without ThinkFree Office.. face it, we're sunk.. Office X is a miserable failure, nobody wants it. We are doomed...

(heavy sarcasm)

Come on.. ok, I'll admit I don't like Apple's Java implement either, it doesn't
run Hushmail.com, but I'm not about to jump onto the windows ship.. there's a few more holes in that hull.. Heck, even Bill Gates has his deck hands commanded to clean up the mess now and introduce "security".. how many times have we heard that? ouch!

[Rower_CPU]

How about we stay on subject here:

sr you brought up OS X, and the fact that you thought it was "buggy". Now you're slamming Apple's hardware release practices. Make up your mind. It sounds to me like you've got a bone to pick with Apple and you chose to vent here on these forums.

Yes, OS X is still not a "mature" OS. Once we can drop Classic we'll be doing a lot better.
But the alternative, XP, is so god-awful! You want to talk about Java? XP doesn't even ship with it! You have to download it from Microsoft's webpage. How's that for Java implementation: nonexistent.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by sr
Macfanatics please take note. OSX has been a disaster despite all the hype. It came out unuseable and is slowly addressing bug after bug. But look at what its doing to potential software developers:

The Mac OS X release of ThinkFree Office has been pulled until Apple fixes a serious bug in their MRJ, Robert Jackson, ThinkFree's technical support manager, said in an e-mail message. "I do not expect the bug to be fixed for several months. In the meantime, you can use the current version of ThinkFree Office on Mac OS X in compatibility mode."

MRJ is Mac OS Runtime for Java, Apple's implementation of the Java Virtual Machine.

The Java VM is buggy? ***** all, man, what Java VM isn't? Write your code in C like God intended.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by iH8Quark

InDesign in SOOOOO much better. Quark is on its way out. :o

I give that about as much credit as the people that have been saying the same thing about Apple for the past 18 years. We all remember the pc based media saying how Apple was going bankrupt, how it was dying, how it was going to be gone by the end of that year. All rubbish.

Where I work, we have approx. 86 copies of Quark at this site, and more at other sites around the country/world. I am getting ready to pick up Quark 5 for myself since I was in the group to use the pre-release version. What I took away from that, was that Quark 5 was an improvement upon version 4.x. I do look forward to the day they release the update/patch to make it run under OSX (it is coming).

[crassusad44]

Thanks all for your support! :) It was some though posting back there a little while ago... :p

What do I got to say this time? Well, I just wanted to point a couple of things, sr.
1st. Let Mac fanatics be Mac fanatics. The one great thing about the Mac community is that we support each other, and our beloved Macs. So what if we get a bit overemotional. This does not have to be a bad thing! Get over it!
2nd. Mac users never critizise Apple??? have you ever been to this forum??? What happend when there was no new G4s at MWSF. People complained and bitched. The iPod (OK, so everybody loves it now) when it was first introduced, the hype surrounding MWSF. we Macheads not critizising Apple??? Get real.

I don't know why you are so angry sr. And what's this with my PS tests being rubbish if you also own a PC??????? And what's crap about telling the Mac world that the new version of PS for OS X is fast, and faster than the last version for OS 9???

Well. Hope you got your dev tools for your powerbook. And good luck with OS X.

For the rest of you... Have a wonderful afternoon.... :)

crassus out

[grrr223]

If you start adding things willy nilly, install all kinds of "new" OS X software left and right and expect it ALL to work PERFECTLY then you are living in one of those glass cubes on the nintendo commercials watching the pretty pictures zoom by.

I actually have succesfully "installed all kinds of "new" OS X software left and right" and my computer runs very well. OS X has not once crashed. The only programs I have managed to crash are some of those "new" software titles, but they did not touch the rest of the system.


OSX will not KP while using an app that was properly WRITTEN in the first place unless you are trying to also burn a CD from iTunes to your Que! Crap CD-R/W drive or using some crap video card you got in the bargain bin at Fry's. Then the fault is probably yours. Only work on work with the minimum of add-in software that is NOT

What's wrong with the Que! drives? i have a 24x10X40 Que!Fire drive and ihaven't had a single problem with it. And while I don't use iTunes to burn CDs because it doesn't let you duplicate entire CDs without first ripping them to your hard drive, I have not once crashed OS X while burning a CD under Toast, and Toast is still heavily a beta version.

And hey, SR, I know, just like a lot of people here, my life is now ruined because ThinkFree Office (a program I've never heard of before) isn't available for OS X and that no other software has been developed for it because of the MRJ virtual engine. Oh wait just a minute, Think Free Office WILL be available for OS X soon, so the world is all happy again.

by the way, MacLamb, OS X supports Samba natively, I forget what it stands for, i think it's also called cifs or something like that (someone PLEASE correct me on that). Check out this article from Apple's website on how to access and share files with Windows computers. at http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/documentation/howto/html/osxsmb.html but here's the important infoTo mount a share using the Finder, you will need at least Mac OS X 10.1. Previous versions of the OS do not contain the necessary features to support accessing SMB shares natively. The first step to mounting the share is to select the Go menu and then select Connect to Server. The Finder keyboard shortcut is Command + K. This will open the Connect to Server dialog box. In this box there is a field labeled Address. In this field you want to enter:

smb://workgroup;username@netbiosname/share
Then click the Connect button. If all goes well you will be presented with the SMB/CIFS Filesystem Authentication window. This window will list the workgroup, username, and server used in the previous window. What you will need to do now is enter the appropriate password and then click OK. When done correctly, you will now see an icon on your desktop that is labeled with the name of the share you just mounted. You should now be able to use the share just like any other drive on your system.

[AlphaTech]

grrr223

I am glad to see someone else that is happy with their Que drive. I had a 12x10x32 that I sold to another person before picking up my 24x10x40. I have not done as many burns on the new one yet, but that is only because I haven't needed to do many as yet. I did get a 100 count spindle of 24x media, and was able to burn a dozen cd's in rappid succession without a single problem.

Under Toast (version 5.1.2, non-beta now) I can burn a full cd in about 3 minutes. That is a 700MB, 24x media.

[Backtothemac]

OMG, Troll, Troll, Troll!!!

Let's just use our collective powers and end this thread now.

-- No more posts to this crap. We know they want what we have, so why even give them a laugh. Let's wait a while, and they will BlueScreen of death anyway.