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MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 09:53 AM
I have been looking at external hard drives but none of the cheaper alternatives say there mac compatible. Is this because there not or just decided not to mention it



TBi
Feb 1, 2006, 10:11 AM
Mac compatible usually means you can also boot from it. However i haven't run into an external drive yet that doesn't work with a Mac.

yellow
Feb 1, 2006, 10:17 AM
Might I suggest sticking with an external enclosure that has either firewire (only) or firewire and USB2? You cannot boot from a USB2 extrnal drive, and it's quite useful.

TBi
Feb 1, 2006, 10:25 AM
Might I suggest sticking with an external enclosure that has either firewire (only) or firewire and USB2? You cannot boot from a USB2 extrnal drive, and it's quite useful.

I'd agree for different reasons. Firewire has a dedicated chip while USB2.0 needs to use the CPU (not exactly correct but its the idea that counts). So transfers from Firewire will be faster and not slow down your computer.

Not all firewire devices can boot an Apple, but you definately can't boot from any USB device (unless you have a Mactel, and thats not really confirmed yet).

MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 12:38 PM
1 thing i had in mind was to have Windows Xp installed on it (so i dont have to have the nasty os actually on my mac) and run virtual pc from that. Would this be possible in your opinion ?

therevolution
Feb 1, 2006, 12:47 PM
1 thing i had in mind was to have Windows Xp installed on it (so i dont have to have the nasty os actually on my mac) and run virtual pc from that. Would this be possible in your opinion ?
Sure it's possible, but that's a really silly reason.

MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 12:51 PM
I admit I hate the os (need it for uni) but fact is I can keep all the windows file seperate to the mac ones which I think makes sence. I have a PowerBook so havnt really got spare GB to use up.

yellow
Feb 1, 2006, 12:54 PM
Umm.. VPC uses disk images, so the files ARE separate from the OS X files.

I see a couple potential problems..

1) Do you have a PC to format the drive? Because AFAIK, Windows XP needs to be installed on NTFS, and your Mac isn't going to be formatting anything NTFS.

2) Mac OS X doesn't write to NTFS drives, so you can't use this external drive for anything other than VPC unless you're partitioning. You won't be gaining any speed (loosing in fact) from installing it on FW drive either.

I don't know if you've ever used VPC, but it's pretty darned slow and not something you're going to be want to be shackled to.

MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 01:34 PM
Umm.. VPC uses disk images, so the files ARE separate from the OS X files.

I see a couple potential problems..

1) Do you have a PC to format the drive? Because AFAIK, Windows XP needs to be installed on NTFS, and your Mac isn't going to be formatting anything NTFS.

2) Mac OS X doesn't write to NTFS drives, so you can't use this external drive for anything other than VPC unless you're partitioning. You won't be gaining any speed (loosing in fact) from installing it on FW drive either.

I don't know if you've ever used VPC, but it's pretty darned slow and not something you're going to be want to be shackled to.

I do have a PC to format the harddrive but im sure it would write to a mac formated disc because thats what It would have to do normally am I wrong ?

Do you recommend any other emulators for speed improvements ? I will only be using it for apps such as Microsoft access not high end apps

yellow
Feb 1, 2006, 01:43 PM
Your PC won't read or write to HFS+ (Mac formatted) unless you install MacDrive. I'm not sure if MacDrive will allow you to format HFS+.

You cannot install Windows XP on a drive that is formatted HFS+.

If you have a PC, I suggest you use that for your Windows apps, rather than VPC.

MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 01:57 PM
Ok il take note I understand what your saying.

Just would make life easier as I dont want to buy a windows laptop ,rather save the money and put towards a new macbook pro or something because besides the few hours a week on uni work I dont use the windows os at all.

yellow
Feb 1, 2006, 02:01 PM
Then don't waste your time installing Windows on an external drive, you don't gain anything from it. Just install VPC as normal locally.

Use your new external FW drive as your back up.

Bern
Feb 1, 2006, 02:23 PM
If you're using VPC with XP you have to install VPC onto your Mac then the virtual hard drive XP (as it's called) will be installed into your ~/Documents folder. All you need do is move that onto your external HDD, leaving the actual VPC app on your Mac then create a shortcut of the virtual hard drive (the XP drive) and put that back into your documents folder. When you launch VPC it will access XP from your external via the shortcut.

Doing this will save you a ton of space on your Mac's HDD.

MacDonaldsd
Feb 1, 2006, 02:27 PM
If you're using VPC with XP you have to install VPC onto your Mac then the virtual hard drive XP (as it's called) will be installed into your ~/Documents folder. All you need do is move that onto your external HDD, leaving the actual VPC app on your Mac then create a shortcut of the virtual hard drive (the XP drive) and put that back into your documents folder. When you launch VPC it will access XP from your external via the shortcut.

Doing this will save you a ton of space on your Mac's HDD.

Sorry if I sound like i know nothing ,but dont know anything about how VPC works. So all your windows app installs in the "virtual hardrive" seperate from anyother Mac OS X apps/ docs etc

budugu
Feb 1, 2006, 02:43 PM
Umm.. VPC uses disk images, so the files ARE separate from the OS X files.

I see a couple potential problems..

1) Do you have a PC to format the drive? Because AFAIK, Windows XP needs to be installed on NTFS, and your Mac isn't going to be formatting anything NTFS.

2) Mac OS X doesn't write to NTFS drives, so you can't use this external drive for anything other than VPC unless you're partitioning. You won't be gaining any speed (loosing in fact) from installing it on FW drive either.

I don't know if you've ever used VPC, but it's pretty darned slow and not something you're going to be want to be shackled to.


VPC installs XP on a FAT32! And tells you not to get on to NTFS if you want to share disks. With Fat32 you cannot have files larger than 2gb so No DVD images etc. But who wants to deal with 4 GB files on VPC!

budugu
Feb 1, 2006, 02:47 PM
Sorry if I sound like i know nothing ,but dont know anything about how VPC works. So all your windows app installs in the "virtual hardrive" seperate from anyother Mac OS X apps/ docs etc

To be specific in a Virtual disk image ( a single file). The above post is right. You get to speed when you install. VPC 7 is very good with novice users. all you need to decide is if you want Firewire with 50% more cost (WD usb 80GB -> 120, Lacie USB/FW->180 both mobile). I suggest you get the firewire one even if it is more pricey!

Bern
Feb 1, 2006, 03:32 PM
Sorry if I sound like i know nothing ,but dont know anything about how VPC works. So all your windows app installs in the "virtual hardrive" seperate from anyother Mac OS X apps/ docs etc


Yes, that's correct.

PerryKhan
Jun 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
I'm on Ipad/Iphone/Ipod etc but am now considering changing my laptop and desktop to the latest Macs. One question, will my external hard drives work as plug and play in Mac and will I be able to transfer the files off them onto my new iMac?

NewbieCanada
Jun 23, 2013, 12:23 PM
I'm on Ipad/Iphone/Ipod etc but am now considering changing my laptop and desktop to the latest Macs. One question, will my external hard drives work as plug and play in Mac and will I be able to transfer the files off them onto my new iMac?

You'll be able to read the files and transfer them - no problem at all. You may need a driver on your Mac to write new files to them.

g4cube
Jun 23, 2013, 01:27 PM
You may need a driver on your Mac to write new files to them.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS for the PC/Windows, yes, you'll need a driver to write to the drive. OS X can read from NTFS drives.

Once you safely copy your files to your Mac, you can use the Disk Utility built in to OS X to reformat and repartition your drive so you can both read and write to the drive.

There are many articles and postings about this.

marzer
Jun 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
I'm on Ipad/Iphone/Ipod etc but am now considering changing my laptop and desktop to the latest Macs. One question, will my external hard drives work as plug and play in Mac and will I be able to transfer the files off them onto my new iMac?

Assuming you are currently using Windows, yes, Macs can read/write FAT drives and read NTFS drives. Of course, you'd want to make sure any important applications have an OS X equivalent so you don't lose access to importanat data.