All hail the gMac !!

[Marathon4ever]

Apple is teaming up with ATI to create a gaming specific iMac. At least, that's what Mac OS Rumors is reporting, but if it's true then very good things are on the way for Mac Gaming.

This gaming Mac would be the king. We're talking Intel Core Duo processors at 2.4-2.8 Ghz, and dual ATI X1800 and X1900 GPUs on a 16-lane PCI Express bus.

This is totally my Mac when it comes out.

[eva01]

hahahahah oh i wouldn't believe this at all.

[hyperpasta]

Mac OS Rumors has a terrible track record, and has never gotten anything right in my memory. Disregard it, though it would be kinda cool.

[gekko513]

This gaming Mac would be the king. We're talking Intel Core Duo processors at 2.4-2.8 Ghz, and dual ATI X1800 and X1900 GPUs on a 16-lane PCI Express bus.
I won't believe that until I see it. Intel Core Duo at 2.8GHz is just so not going to happen.

[raggedjimmi]

Yea. ok. WOWHEYLOOKAFLYINGPIG!

[miloblithe]

I wasn't even aware that Mac OS Rumors was still publishing updates. I used to check the site regularly, but for most of the last year it seems like one update a month is a lot.

[LimeiBook86]

The gMac? That sounds lame. But, a PowerMac (Intel Version) would be a killer gaming machine. I can't see Apple introducing another line of machines just for games...

I say no to this one...when pigs fly!...or Mac :p I don't think either would get off the ground ;)

http://www.homepage.mac.com/ibook238/.Pictures/mac-fly.gif

[Jaffa Cake]

Whether or not the rumour has any truth behind it, one of the main problems behind creating a gaming Mac isn't the specs – it's the fact that the vast majority of games that are published for the Mac are released several months after the PC versions are. You could make the best specced gaming machine out there – but if the top titles aren't available, you're not going to woo the hardcore gamers away from their PCs and consoles.

[MacsRgr8]

... but if the top titles aren't available, you're not going to woo the hardcore gamers away from their PCs and consoles.

Or... not being able to custom build the gaming rig for < $ 2000 while upgrading the CPU, GPU, RAM, HD etc, every 6 months...

A CrossFire Dual-ATi X1900 XT seems cool now, but in 2007 it will be soooo '06-ish :D

[Marathon4ever]

Whether or not the rumour has any truth behind it, one of the main problems behind creating a gaming Mac isn't the specs – it's the fact that the vast majority of games that are published for the Mac are released several months after the PC versions are. You could make the best specced gaming machine out there – but if the top titles aren't available, you're not going to woo the hardcore gamers away from their PCs and consoles.
It's a chicken and egg problem and you have to start somewhere. If Apple makes a gaming Mac, then games developers are more likely to look at the Mac platform seriously.

"If you build it... they will come"

[MacsRgr8]

That's true. But still the total amount of Mac games sold vs. PC games will be pathetic the first year orso. Which developer will start its OS X investment first? (I would hope EA games!!!!)

Maybe Apple should help a little. Get some "Mac-only" software titles out there... Give OpenGL development a boost... etc. They have the ca$h, now the will.

[MacRumorUser]

Seeing as though all console makers only see a profit from the software rather than the hardware and Apple are not likely to move into games publishing anytime soon the chances of a gaming mac is nil.....

[prostuff1]

Apple has to get a bigger market share before game makers will consider putting out titles the same time they do for the PC. Once that happens then Apple might...might...consider making a "gaming mac."

And dont see it happening at all, not at least for another 2 years

[pknz]

Good old gMac rumors resurfacing? Would be cool, Apple wouldn't need to keep the iMac thinness so you could fit a bit more power into it. PowerMacs are overkill for gaming well not on the Mac side but if you had one for PC's what a waste of $$$.

And most games aren't written to use more than one core so a dual core wouldn't be that great.

I think the 'gMac' name might ring true if we see a 'vPod'.

Also MacOS Rumors are ALWAYS wrong. Unless they copy TS, AI or MR or Ap.

I fear the taunting for the Winblows users.
iMac = idiot Mac
gMac = gay Mac?

[Josh]

The rumors about the G4 powerbooks with built-in toasters were more believable; at least they demonstrated very reasonably that such a thing could work.

This on the other hand....not so much.

[risc]

This gaming Mac would be the king.

The king of what? The king of specs and no software? PUH-LEASE! :rolleyes: Oh wait you mean the king of remove OS X and run Windows on it so you can actually play games? I get it now. No wait ... one more time for the people in the back :rolleyes:

[chibianh]

I call BS. First, the Core Duo was designed to be a laptop chip. If Apple were serious, they'd be puttind in a desktop processor. 2nd, components better be upgradeable and replaceable... Serious gamers like to keep on the bleeding edge. An iMac encloser just ain't gonna do it. 3rd, I'll believe when I see it.

In any case, I am waiting for a Mac Pro... cmon Apple! :D

[mkrishnan]

That'll be great to play all of the five games available for Macs. ;)

I bet the amateur photoshop crowd will love that thing, though. Much cuter than a PowerMac and now with the brains to back it up! :eek: ;) :o

[faintember]

That'll be great to play all of the five games available for Macs. ;) When did we get the fifth one? :p

This sounds about as likely as microsoft writing code that isnt bloated.:D

[Chundles]

http://www.gsmzone.co.uk/assets/images/flypig.gif

[Marathon4ever]

The king of what? The king of specs and no software? PUH-LEASE! :rolleyes: Oh wait you mean the king of remove OS X and run Windows on it so you can actually play games? I get it now. No wait ... one more time for the people in the back :rolleyes:
WOW. How can you even call yourself a Mac user?? Ridiculous!

[Marathon4ever]

That'll be great to play all of the five games available for Macs. ;)

I bet the amateur photoshop crowd will love that thing, though. Much cuter than a PowerMac and now with the brains to back it up! :eek: ;) :o
It's interesting how you can come up with that number while I have about 20 recently released Mac games on my shelf behind me.

[Marathon4ever]

btw, when it comes to Macs, pigs do fly

40614

[mkrishnan]

It's interesting how you can come up with that number while I have about 20 recently released Mac games on my shelf behind me.

Heh...it's called hyperbole. ;)

[LimeiBook86]

<flying pig animated gif>
Haha! I was going to post that animated gif...but, I made my own ;)

[mac.head.high]

Apple is teaming up with ATI to create a gaming specific iMac. At least, that's what Mac OS Rumors is reporting, but if it's true then very good things are on the way for Mac Gaming.

This gaming Mac would be the king. We're talking Intel Core Duo processors at 2.4-2.8 Ghz, and dual ATI X1800 and X1900 GPUs on a 16-lane PCI Express bus.

This is totally my Mac when it comes out.

As much as I enjoy poking at you Marathon4ever: This is true. At least the gaming Mac part. As for the specs, well have to wait and see.

This is an earlier thread, but it contains excerpts from a conversation I had with an Apple support guy that confirms the Apple Built Gaming console/system. It may be a dedicated gaming console, or it could be a a special pimped out Mac just with extreme gaming in mind. But I honestly believe this source so please read it and opinion-ize.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=172132

I think Marathon4ever will apprciate this, if no one else does.

[risc]

@ME WOW. How can you even call yourself a Mac user?? Ridiculous!

Because I use Macs?

[DrNeroCF]

Here's what Apple needs to do:

Bundle it with World of Warcraft

Buy or create some development studios to port games over extremely quickly, or create their own

Half Life 2. NOW

Create their own bluetooth gamepad that beats the snot out of the 360's

Create a unified downloading experience for shareware and even freeware, as well as game demos, and a unified buying experience, all from something as simple as front row.

As for creating an actual console, no that's okay... the market is too crowded as it is, and Nintendo's about to blow it away with the most fun system to play ever anyway.

[Marathon4ever]

@ME

Because I use Macs?

Well, I'm not feeling the love, man



Create a unified downloading experience for shareware and even freeware, as well as game demos, and a unified buying experience, all from something as simple as front row.


What about www.apple.com/games ?

As much as I enjoy poking at you Marathon4ever: This is true. At least the gaming Mac part. As for the specs, well have to wait and see.

This is an earlier thread, but it contains excerpts from a conversation I had with an Apple support guy that confirms the Apple Built Gaming console/system. It may be a dedicated gaming console, or it could be a a special pimped out Mac just with extreme gaming in mind. But I honestly believe this source so please read it and opinion-ize.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=172132

I think Marathon4ever will apprciate this, if no one else does.
I gotta say that's quite interesting stuff. Although, I hope it's a computer and not a console. Consoles suck for FPSes, and no Halo is not an exception!!!

What would be really cool is if Apple released the gMac in a black case. Kind of like the black iPod. That would be really cool looking.

Plus hardcore gamers would be much more likely to buy it if it was black than if it was white.

[greatdevourer]

I won't believe that until I see it. Intel Core Duo at 2.8GHz is just so not going to happen. Intel themselves have said that it maxes out at 2.5, so 2.8 isn't even a pipe dream

[Lord Blackadder]

I highly doubt this is true, especially the dual GPU thing.

A few years down the road there might be a market for it, but right now the PowerMac is the "gMac".

[p:ro]

:eek: WoW i wonder what the design of that iMac would look like.. :eek:

maybe feat. the AMD FX-60 in the Intel iMac GamerzEdition

all wrapped in into a massiv freezer

Ati X1900 XTX Crossfire Edition in iMac
Ati Mobility X1900 XTX in 17" MacBook Pro
Ati "Dual" X190...... :cool:

ok enough...

We talk about a level of cards even the PowerPC's havn't seen in a while since the 9800 XT - 6800 Ultra... The Elite0nes :o
Seems like the new "Ati X1900 XTX Crossfire" beats the Old King "the Nvidia 7800 GTX Sli", which costs if you want it in a 512 Mb version around 2 x 650 $ :o

Since the 7800 GTX outperforms the 7800 GT at HI-RES it be nice to see that card available in the PowerPC for those who want maximum MacGamingPerformance on their 30" :o

What Games didn't we get lately btw: For WoW you really don't need Crossfire | Sli - maybe Doom3 you do... but

- CallofDuty 2
- Battlefield 2
- AgeOfEmpires 3
- F.E.A.R
.......... no comment

IF apple wants a special gamers computer, they would use a PowerPC (Intel ProMac eek: or w/e it's gonna be called) for a million reasons - but not a iMac for sure... Mac doesn't fit in at all - get a windows comp for gaming LOL

[d_saum]

What would be really cool is if Apple released the gMac in a black case. Kind of like the black iPod. That would be really cool looking.

Plus hardcore gamers would be much more likely to buy it if it was black than if it was white.

now THAT would HOT!!!!! I would totally love a black iMac!!! *as I wipe the drool from my mouth*

[altair]

"Have you hit YOUR g-spot?

Introducing the new gMac from Apple

Sleekly designed with a beautifully curved exterior, comes in 2 speeds"

lolerderby

[mkrishnan]

"Have you hit YOUR g-spot?

Introducing the new gMac from Apple

Sleekly designed with a beautifully curved exterior, comes in 2 speeds"

lolerderby

:D

Is the exterior surface nubbed? :eek:

Or, we could do a G-Unit iMac. :D The monitor could spin around. ;) And instead of the startup BONG, it could be G-g-g-g-g-g-g-Unit! :D

[Lord Blackadder]

If Apple introduces a "gamer" Mac with a non-upgradable video card (even if it's a very good one) people will laugh.

[jamesi]

what is the point if they make a pro gaming machine? barely any games run on the mac as it is. and dont anyone get all self righteous and sassy, i know there are some decent ones out there but honestly the library is slim

[Marathon4ever]

If Apple introduces a "gamer" Mac with a non-upgradable video card (even if it's a very good one) people will laugh.
Yeah, that's a good point. Hopefully the card would be upgradable, but with the history of the iMac, I wouldn't be expecting it.

[BornAgainMac]

I think the Mac is more profitable than people realize. A ton of PCs sold are going to businesses and not gamers. Home based Macs could be 20% or more of the gaming market. If Apple made an attractive gaming Mac that was under a grand then that number could increase much higher.

Another point is the selection of games is really bad at CompUSA. A really good game could bring in a lot more money compared to the PC side that has many good titles available.

[mkrishnan]

I think the Mac is more profitable than people realize.

It is absolutely Apple's advantage that they make a mix of high-margin products, and that they have cultivated a customer base that will pay for such products.

[eXan]

Dual X1900 would be nice, but I dont see Apple making the "gaming" Mac. They could offer better GPUs in their entire Mac line (that would be prefferable), but making a separate "gaming" line would be stupid for Apple.

[cgratti]

WOW. How can you even call yourself a Mac user?? Ridiculous!


Because Macs cant even run on the same racetrack as PCs when it comes to gaming. Sorry macusers, but the PC is CRUSHING Macs at gaming....

[mac.head.high]

Because Macs cant even run on the same racetrack as PCs when it comes to gaming. Sorry macusers, but the PC is CRUSHING Macs at gaming....


No not really. You can't be crushed by something your not really a part of. Let me put it to you in this manor. If all the games available for PC's were available for Macs (and released at the same time), I could assure you that their wouldn't such a schism if one at all between the two computer systems and game sales.

It was the early 90's when Apple had the majority market share; up until PC's allowed clones to be built and sold. So remember your history, becuase it can somethime come back to haunt you.

[GFLPraxis]

Because Macs cant even run on the same racetrack as PCs when it comes to gaming. Sorry macusers, but the PC is CRUSHING Macs at gaming....

Actually, Macs and PC's are pretty close together when it comes to gaming performance, it's just that PC's have more games.

[cheekyspanky]

And there was me thinking this was going to be some Google/Apple collaboration...!

[ugru]

It's a chicken and egg problem and you have to start somewhere. If Apple makes a gaming Mac, then games developers are more likely to look at the Mac platform seriously.


"chichen and egg" is not a problem eggs were born before birds, amphibians and reptiles also use eggs...:D :D :D :D .

but you are right. Create the market and then developers will come.. is a simple law of marketing.

But i still think this information is a fake.

[Marathon4ever]

but you are right. Create the market and then developers will come.. is a simple law of marketing.

But i still think this information is a fake.
If you believe in it enough, it will come true.

[p:ro]

You wanna play games then stop talking and buy yourself an AMD FX-60 with your 1200$ Ati X1900 XTX crossfire edition... nVidia 7900 GTX Sli will come soon for revenge anyway. It's out there NOW!!- get it if you want it lol. You will have the most incredible game performance on World of Warcraft ever. I said it befor but maybe twice is better...

PLUS

- more games (up to date games / which run better)
- bigger market for hardware products / no monopolistic pricing
- performance way higher / price & performance is way better
- Hardware up to date nonstop / cheaper&easier upgrading

I really don't think that someone wants a big-fat-loud-hot, hardly unupgradable, 100% notuptodate, "underpowered" MacGameWannabeBeast with a bad costeffiency + with the handicap of not having the latest games anyway or the ones you get years later.... iMac LOL

if you would spend cash on that you lost your focus - mac is great but get real please...

APPLE DON'T TRY A CONSOLE = SONY & MICROSOFT are good enough (market is full - who would buy apple console instead of PS3 anyway LOL ? the blind mac users?)
APPLE DON'T TRY A GMAC = people will really start laughing at apple....

[GFLPraxis]

APPLE DON'T TRY A CONSOLE = SONY & MICROSOFT are good enough (market is full - who would buy apple console instead of PS3 anyway LOL ? the blind mac users?)

Sony and Nintendo are enough. If the market were Sony and Microsoft, I would probably almost completely stop playing on consoles.. Maybe Burnout, Kingdom Hearts, and a couple others.

[Marathon4ever]

I really don't think that someone wants a big-fat-loud-hot, hardly unupgradable, 100% notuptodate, "underpowered" MacGameWannabeBeast with a bad costeffiency + with the handicap of not having the latest games anyway or the ones you get years later.... iMac LOL

if you would spend cash on that you lost your focus - mac is great but get real please...

Microsoft Windows is a bigger handicap than any of the other crap you mentioned.

I'm as real as can be. You, on the other hand, seem to be lacking in that department.

[p:ro]

Microsoft Windows is a bigger handicap than any of the other crap you mentioned.

I'm as real as can be. You, on the other hand, seem to be lacking in that department.

I don't want to get personal. Too bad if you still didn't get the point but I'll try once more - just for fun:

Design&Case

If you really want the latest hardware - CPU | GraphicCards | Harddisks hi-rpm you will see that they need a lot of power / that they will cause noise&heat except you spend another load of money into watercooling and stuff. So if you want to lock the beast off - you need to isolate them good for the noise - cool&fantilate them on the other side.
Ergo the cases can't be as slim as apple wants em. example: Highpower GraphicCards mostly use 2 PCI-E slots for several reasons - besides the cooling - iMAC as we love it know WILL NOT be capable to work as a HI-END Design GameComputer... PowerPC is of course a whole diffrent story but we talk about the iMac...

:Mac upgrades - general

Upgrading CPU is not really possible with Mac - if you serious. In iMacs I don't think we will be ever to change graphiccards either. Changing Motherboards for a bigger upgrade ? HOPE we get that finally with the Intel PowerMacs or w/e they will be named -> watch below

Those things are impossible with iMac - Every MacGamer ripping the with loved created case every 5 months to upgrade something - that's your vision?

Not up to date

referring to upgrade - If you dont buy a mac model after a big revision and if you don't invest a lost of cash to get the best of the best - it's impossible to get close to the state of the Art. And since we talk about Gaming Macs !!! it's hard to be up to date to the load of hardware demanding&eating games every year get published - for windows at least. It be cool if you could order for example PowerPC without build in GPU if you gonna replace it anyway - buying a better one somewhere on eBay etc. and get a price reduction instead! Same as for harddisks !! OR BETTER give PowerPC owners the chance to replace what they want - new case | motherboard | CPUS | .... that would be nice anyway besides the gaming story...

underpowered

gaming - if you cant get or cant upgrade easily I guess you get the point if a even more demanding game comes out. If you seen CoD2 BF2 F.E.A.R Quake 4 AoE3 you see how much fire power you need to play the games at there fullest quality - too fully appreciate the full possibilities...

Costs

guess thats crystal to you - same price you get a better performance on PC with windows (directX) as on a mac. If you need to spend a lot of money more to get near the State of the Art performance - without ever beeing able to top it or at least break even, you have to realise that mac won't be able to fight PC - economics... If you use a mac for serious gaming ...
If you use a PowerPC for studies or work (design, Architecture, Photography, etc, etc and so on why shouldnt you use the brutal power for gaming. BUT the guy who buys a PowerPC just for gaming should get bashed up :o

Games

I was one of the best mac Age of Mythology players (still ranked N0.1) - because hardly noone played the game. In EOS i was top 300 once :cool:. People prefer playing AoE2 or Warcraft that's about it. yeah yeah BF 1942 and GhostRecon... yeahyeah

I wished AoE3 would come - it will never make it
I wished BF2 / CoD2 / F.E.A.R ..... get real
World of Warcraft : every iMacG5 is enough for that game =)

as long as directX is used and porting doesn't really pay out since mac isn't a big piece of the cookie, most games won't come to mac - what for anyway ? If you really like to play get a PC or a console (Nitendo Revolution is comming - I know - just not my games) - if you still consider my talk as crap, you should better read my thread again.

GET SERIOUS and feel free to post - but post in a normal way - try at least if you not capable of befor you start running a marathon versus crap :o :o

I've seen that YOU the guy who seems trying to build up a massiv mac gamers community - your threads - but get.REAL is tic

EDIT: After I quickread your other campaigns in this forum - i do think a admin should lock it too... Your threads leak of any rationality/reality ... GET REAL BOY and i start thinking that you bought a POWERMAC DUAL G5 for gaming... your mummy should bash the **** out of you .... SRY thats just ******** all of your **** LMAO OMFG BIGTIME - don't take it personal- wasn't meant to be marathon man. Where did you get all those infos for misinterpretation ?

CAN'T wait for your 1 inch GAME iMAC with dual GPU feat. AMD chip running a ported version of your BF2 -- of course in a black MARATHON version avaiable too... SMILE""

SRY bout nitendo lol - SONY MICROSOFT & NITENDO own console !!!!! sry lol

[Marathon4ever]

I don't want to get personal. Too bad if you still didn't get the point but I'll try once more - just for fun:

Design&Case

If you really want the latest hardware - CPU | GraphicCards | Harddisks hi-rpm you will see that they need a lot of power / that they will cause noise&heat except you spend another load of money into watercooling and stuff. So if you want to lock the beast off - you need to isolate them good for the noise - cool&fantilate them on the other side.
Ergo the cases can't be as slim as apple wants em. example: Highpower GraphicCards mostly use 2 PCI-E slots for several reasons - besides the cooling - iMAC as we love it know WILL NOT be capable to work as a HI-END Design GameComputer... PowerPC is of course a whole diffrent story but we talk about the iMac...

:Mac upgrades - general

Upgrading CPU is not really possible with Mac - if you serious. In iMacs I don't think we will be ever to change graphiccards either. Changing Motherboards for a bigger upgrade ? HOPE we get that finally with the Intel PowerMacs or w/e they will be named -> watch below

Those things are impossible with iMac - Every MacGamer ripping the with loved created case every 5 months to upgrade something - that's your vision?

Not up to date

referring to upgrade - If you dont buy a mac model after a big revision and if you don't invest a lost of cash to get the best of the best - it's impossible to get close to the state of the Art. And since we talk about Gaming Macs !!! it's hard to be up to date to the load of hardware demanding&eating games every year get published - for windows at least. It be cool if you could order for example PowerPC without build in GPU if you gonna replace it anyway - buying a better one somewhere on eBay etc. and get a price reduction instead! Same as for harddisks !! OR BETTER give PowerPC owners the chance to replace what they want - new case | motherboard | CPUS | .... that would be nice anyway besides the gaming story...

underpowered

gaming - if you cant get or cant upgrade easily I guess you get the point if a even more demanding game comes out. If you seen CoD2 BF2 F.E.A.R Quake 4 AoE3 you see how much fire power you need to play the games at there fullest quality - too fully appreciate the full possibilities...

Costs

guess thats crystal to you - same price you get a better performance on PC with windows (directX) as on a mac. If you need to spend a lot of money more to get near the State of the Art performance - without ever beeing able to top it or at least break even, you have to realise that mac won't be able to fight PC - economics... If you use a mac for serious gaming ...
If you use a PowerPC for studies or work (design, Architecture, Photography, etc, etc and so on why shouldnt you use the brutal power for gaming. BUT the guy who buys a PowerPC just for gaming should get bashed up :o

Games

I was one of the best mac Age of Mythology players (still ranked N0.1) - because hardly noone played the game. In EOS i was top 300 once :cool:. People prefer playing AoE2 or Warcraft that's about it. yeah yeah BF 1942 and GhostRecon... yeahyeah

I wished AoE3 would come - it will never make it
I wished BF2 / CoD2 / F.E.A.R ..... get real
World of Warcraft : every iMacG5 is enough for that game =)

as long as directX is used and porting doesn't really pay out since mac isn't a big piece of the cookie, most games won't come to mac - what for anyway ? If you really like to play get a PC or a console (Nitendo Revolution is comming - I know - just not my games) - if you still consider my talk as crap, you should better read my thread again.

GET SERIOUS and feel free to post - but post in a normal way - try at least if you not capable of befor you start running a marathon versus crap :o :o

I've seen that YOU the guy who seems trying to build up a massiv mac gamers community - your threads - but get.REAL is tic

EDIT: After I quickread your other campaigns in this forum - i do think a admin should lock it too... Your threads leak of any rationality/reality ... GET REAL BOY and i start thinking that you bought a POWERMAC DUAL G5 for gaming... your mummy should bash the **** out of you .... SRY thats just ******** all of your **** LMAO OMFG BIGTIME - don't take it personal- wasn't meant to be marathon man. Where did you get all those infos for misinterpretation ?

CAN'T wait for your 1 inch GAME iMAC with dual GPU feat. AMD chip running a ported version of your BF2 -- of course in a black MARATHON version avaiable too... SMILE""

SRY bout nitendo lol - SONY MICROSOFT & NITENDO own console !!!!! sry lol
Wow, it boggles my mind at how uninformed you are.

Firstly, who ever said anything about the gMac having the same case design as the current iMac?

Secondly, I have upgraded the processor in my Mac in the past. Also, you apparently didn't hear that the new Intel iMacs do have upgradable CPUs. As for upgrading the graphics card, it is possible if Apple decides to allow that.

Thirdly, keeping up with the best hardware is a problem on both Macs and PCs. And why do you mention the PowerPC?? The PowerPC is soon to be gone on the Mac.

Fourthly, who said the gMac wouldn't be upgradable? You are making assumptions prematurely.

Fifthly, at the moment this is true, but who knows if that will change? Even so, the extra cost is well worth it considering you don't have to deal with a subpar operating system. I bought a PowerPC mainly for gaming and it was well worth it.

Sixthly, it's sad that you wasted your time with such a bad game like Age of Mythology. CoD2 is coming to the Mac very soon, BF2 will soon follow, and possibly F.E.A.R. although that one might be a stretch.

DirectX is not an issue. Apple will soon be taking a bigger bite of the cookie as the Intel Macs rise. I really love to play games, but I'm not about to degrade myself by choosing a Windows box, and the consoles just don't interest me enough to warrant getting one.

I am serious and I don't see any problem with the way I'm posting.

EDIT: I think your dirty mouth should get locked. And your brain should get deleted for stupidity.

[p0intblank]

Yeah... and Microsoft is coming out with an iPod killer. :rolleyes:

[applekid]

Stop bickering over something that doesn't even exist! Besides, MacOSRUmors lost its reliability long ago.

[Lastinline39]

Marathon, I'm a zealot too but cmon. I really do doubt the gMac is coming out. First Apple has to bring the iBook, mini, PowerMac, eMac, and I guess the xServe to intel. Then we have the rumors about the Media Center Mac [mini], the Palm Mac, and the tablet mac. I think all three of these are more likely to come than the gMac. Apple can reach much more users with the other forms of media than gaming. The only group the gMac would affect would be the somewhat-hardcore-pc-gamer-already-looking-to-switch-but-not-doing-so-because-of-lack-of-gaming. Long title I know, but I believe that must be a small market.

If EVERYTHING isn't upgradable then no one will take the "gMac" seriously. Not to mention gamers want CRTs or LCDs with fast refresh rates. Unfortunately I don't see this all happening elegantly for a comparitive price to what you can build a pc for. Regardless of the crappiness of Windows, Direct X is still working well for it. Open GL does need a boost.

Look, man, I'd love nothing more than Apple to make a "gMac" and have it dominate wildly and have all the game manufacturers start making all their games simultaneously for OSX, but it's just not realistic. I used to play heavily on the Mac with Gameranger (game: Rogue Spear) and loved the small community atmosphere. I loved the simplicity of it all and most of the other people weren't nerdy PC gamers, they were smart and cool Mac users. That being said, so many things were missing (Netfone was the only voice communicator we had and it was woefully inadequate), games especially. I really don't think a gMac could fix all this.

One day, when Apple does have more of the market share and more people are open to using OSX there will be a place for the gMac but I doubt its happening any time soon. (Watch me eat my words though, and if Apple does it, it will succeed.)

[TheMasin9]

three words...
YEAH FRIGGIN RIGHT....

[mac.head.high]

Allow me to pose a question.

What if Apple built a gaming console that played the current PC games on your TV or equipped monitor? We have all made a general assumption that this gaming machine will run OSX and will be a dedicated computer like device.

Think outside the box. If a Mac could play the current games, think how easy it would be to start the flow of developers and gamers. This box would be an Apple, but who's to say it will be of the same chip architecture as the rest of the Mac line, PowerPC or Intel?

[Marathon4ever]

Marathon, I'm a zealot too but cmon. I really do doubt the gMac is coming out. First Apple has to bring the iBook, mini, PowerMac, eMac, and I guess the xServe to intel. Then we have the rumors about the Media Center Mac [mini], the Palm Mac, and the tablet mac. I think all three of these are more likely to come than the gMac. Apple can reach much more users with the other forms of media than gaming. The only group the gMac would affect would be the somewhat-hardcore-pc-gamer-already-looking-to-switch-but-not-doing-so-because-of-lack-of-gaming. Long title I know, but I believe that must be a small market.

aaaaaannndd the hardcore gamers that already exist on the Mac, like mhwua.

One day, when Apple does have more of the market share and more people are open to using OSX there will be a place for the gMac but I doubt its happening any time soon. (Watch me eat my words though, and if Apple does it, it will succeed.)

Oh, start the eating. haha. Don't post when you're frunk folks. lol haha

[mac.head.high]

Oh, start the eating. haha. Don't post when you're frunk folks. lol haha

Sorry to waste a post on this; but what is "frunk"?

[Lastinline39]

aaaaaannndd the hardcore gamers that already exist on the Mac, like mhwua.

Oh, start the eating. haha. Don't post when you're frunk folks. lol haha


Right, but the hardcore gamers wouldn't be buying more macs with the gMac, they would just be buying a different Mac. Yea you might buy a gMac if it came out, but if it didn't you'd still be buying a Mac anyway. Therefore sales wouldn't increase. By the way, I wasn't or am not drunk (or frunk as you call it?). Sorry if that last sentence was a bit hard to understand.

[p:ro]

Apple is teaming up with ATI to create a gaming specific iMac. At least, that's what Mac OS Rumors is reporting, but if it's true then very good things are on the way for Mac Gaming.

This gaming Mac would be the king. We're talking Intel Core Duo processors at 2.4-2.8 Ghz, and dual ATI X1800 and X1900 GPUs on a 16-lane PCI Express bus.

This is totally my Mac when it comes out.

You are a waste of time dude - seriously. On the other hand you make me laugh thats cool.

If you would remember only half of the crap you posted this thread had a tiny truth somewhere. Who talks about a specific gaming iMac ? Not to mention the Ati Crossfire story in a iMac.

1st Please link me contacts where I can buy the latest Apple Hardware for Upgrade. Could we still buy for example the 2.7 G5 chips for upgrades? Maybe a new motherboard aswell if we need it? Great news to me

If people want gaming power, they will survive windows - thanks to directX and the other benefits of the market.

Aspyr Media, Inc. has recently announced their plans to publish the critically acclaimed Call of Duty 2 for the Macintosh platform!

I bet you don't have a clue, what specs you need to get a decent fps even using windows/PC hardware / directX.

That game will not be playable (without crippling the game by low / res low tex no AF etc. etc. )for the Intel iMac coalition. Those games are so nice if you can enjoy the full quality.
If you have a PowerMac (Power5 I talk about now) you will need a card like the nvidia 7800 GT or an Ati X850 XT to get at least near the windows performance. As I understood Ati will be the GPU producer for apple from now on - even less diversity.

Your dream - the loud&hot&big Ati X1900XTX beasts cost around 650 Euros!
If you want it Crossfired double it. People already mentioned that it's loud - needs a lot of power - and cooling is bad at moment (will change as soon as other companies will produce their cards with watercooling or whatever)

Back to CoD2 (PC release date Oct.2005)

iMac won't work - and if you didn't meant X1900 either - what's your post on then ? PowerMacs (Power5) will need expensive graphic cards to get at least something.

AgeofMythology was a good game (read critics). Maybe you don't like those games, maybe you hate it because it's from Microsoft.

You didn't read everyones mail carefully. You - the proMacGamingExpert with extremly insider tipps sound desperate. You hate windows/microsoft/directX/ PC market etc. etc.

Get real and focus Boy: Many people mentioned various hints why this won't happen so easily as you may dream.

I do beleive that people don't buy a Mac system for gaming - people DO buy mac for several other reasons then gaming. If people want to play the latest computer games, they get themselves either a console for gaming besides their macs OR if they really into gaming they stick to windows and the free hardware market and hold themselves a stateOftheArt Gamerz BEAST in a cage, which is waiting to collect fps as much as it cans - using a mac for the rest.
If Apple wants to get respected and taken seriously in the computer games buisness, I do think they really lost it. A mac console besides the 3 marketholders (microsoft/sony/nitendo) will be hard i bet, but an other strategy since that will not be "a making money thing". If it's true Microsoft looses 126 $ per sold XBox 360 - getting market share all costs (not only microsoft)! It's not the console itself, they make the millions with.


ah well, guys like you HATE windows that much, that they can't accept that it's better for gaming. You want all the games for mac just for the sake of it. I would call that pathetic & desperate again. We don't know what the future brings but you try too hard boy.

Maybe you gonna be the 1st ProGAMER using a mac (sponsored by Apple|Intel|Ati)

But - try to keep it real

Apple is teaming up with ATI to create a gaming specific iMac. ... We're talking Intel Core Duo processors at 2.4-2.8 Ghz, and dual ATI X1800 and X1900 GPUs on a 16-lane PCI Express bus.


Maybe you could start writing articles for OSRumors ... fits perfectly as it seems to me. Can't wait for the MacBook ProGaming (feat. an Ati Mobility X1800) I'm sure they will get that running just for you - if you cry hard enough and beleive your stuff!

Buy yourself either a Sony PS3 or a Nitendo Revolution for gaming :o - XBOX 360 & PC is no option for microsoft haters like you - and you will have all the games running smoothly.

but i am sure you just had a new dream - i'm loving it :cool: But you had that discussion with others before as it looks :o

Don't try to look offensive - doesn't suit you boy even if you seem to be smarter as the rest of us. hmmm :eek:

[raggedjimmi]

sheesh I hate leaving a thread not knowing that there's this kind of fight going on. Was going to say though; i doubt the gMac. There was all that about Apple investing more in the gaming side of things, or the rumours at least. but I still doubt it. I also worry about the current PC gamers who are playing the retro games, the games that failed to work under XP and that. They won't upgrade. Infact I plan on buying a cheap PC just for the old classics, displayed wonderfully on a widescreen LCD monitor opposed to the mini 15" CRT I was used to back in the day.

and best of all Microsoft won't get any of my money! hoo-ray!

Though... if it did happen. wild predictions;
Power> Xbox, PS3, Apple
Innovation> Apple, Nintendo
Price> Nintendo
Style> Nintendo, Apple
Small library of perfect games> Nintendo, Apple
Large library of worthless games> Xbox, PS3

Tangent time but I just reckon Nintendo and Apple should do a duet with something. they're both the same, or have the same kind of innovative principles. Microsoft and Sony should just merge their gaming too. the market is WAY saturated. the fact we have 2 near-identical systems is evidence of that.

[kretzy]

And there was me thinking this was going to be some Google/Apple collaboration...!
I was thinking the same thing too. :o

I don't really see much point to a gaming Mac, it's too much of a niche market to be profitable for them.

[takao]

what a waste ... seriously it is a lost cause except of blizzard ... getting games late and slower won't chance anytime soon so this illusion of gMac will be nothing more than a illusion

seriously talking about games like BF2, COD2 is already old news.. will OS X get SW: Empire at War ? or further releases on the horizon ?

a Mac is good for a lot of things but gaming isn't one of them especially if you are a gamer with limited funds
after all my more than 3 year old PC which was cheaper than my mac mini still beats him by far, my brothers old athlon 1.2 ghz is faster with it's lousy geforce 440mx

[p:ro]

We are getting serious again - Thx GOD - O.0

Some Facts to make it more serious:

Intel iMacs get eaten by G5 monsters

http://www.barefeats.com/imcd2.ht

This will please all PowerMac owners who play sometimes...

Quote www.barefeats.com late 2004

"The fact that more games are first and only on Windows PCs gives the Opteron (and any fast Windows PC) the nod as "the better game machine."

http://www.barefeats.com/g5op2.html

And that wasn't even the fastest PC for gaming that time...

Things Change - but KeepItReal as possible!
This is not a Mac Bashing - Pro Windows Campaign - just a bunch of facts

[mac.head.high]

So as for processor upgrades, they exist, but only for the G3's and G4's. Sonnet, OWC, and Power Logix all make processor upgrades. Their also all drop-in processors. So hopefully that will answer at least one question about Mac upgrades p:ro. I'll try to see if I have the energy to find the rest of your answers.

[p:ro]

No problem but i know that already - I was talking bout beeing able to buy G5 CPUs like you can for PC market...

I started a new thread btw (considering your personal message too), as a basis for good discussions... cu there

gMac is dead

[Marathon4ever]

No problem but i know that already - I was talking bout beeing able to buy G5 CPUs like you can for PC market...

I started a new thread btw (considering your personal message too), as a basis for good discussions... cu there

gMac is dead
DUDE, get with the program. G5's are dead. It's all Intel now. And Intels are upgradable so your argument is reduced to nil.

[reberto]

A CrossFire Dual-ATi X1900 XT seems cool now, but in 2007 it will be soooo '06-ish :D

To be more 07ish it must be SLI'd 7900GTX's :D :eek:

[bousozoku]

This would be interesting but I'm 99 % certain that it won't happen.

Apple won't even consider putting together a half-hearted gaming machine from parts that already exist. They could put together a system configuration with a fast drive, fast video card, lots of RAM, etc. but they won't.

[d_saum]

awwww what a shame... it seems p:ro got himself banned! Damn, thats too bad. I was enjoying his barely legible posts and poor poor attitude. I hope the door didn't hit him in the ass too hard! (actually, I hope it did! :D )

[cubist]

PC gaming is in decline itself, as you should all know. Gamers are jumping off the annual hardware upgrade rat-race and playing on consoles. World of Warcraft and the other MMORPGs are the only bright spark in the PC gaming world, and most of them are known only in the Far East. I imagine they will transition as well as soon as China comes up with a clone of somebody's console. Maybe Microsoft will license the Xbox to them...

The only future for PCs and Macs to run games will be to emulate a console. There's a niche market for casual games (e.g. Bejewelled).

[mac.head.high]

PC gaming is in decline itself, as you should all know. Gamers are jumping off the annual hardware upgrade rat-race and playing on consoles. World of Warcraft and the other MMORPGs are the only bright spark in the PC gaming world, and most of them are known only in the Far East. I imagine they will transition as well as soon as China comes up with a clone of somebody's console. Maybe Microsoft will license the Xbox to them...

The only future for PCs and Macs to run games will be to emulate a console. There's a niche market for casual games (e.g. Bejewelled).


Finally some informed opinions.

World of Warcraft and the other MMORPGs are the only bright spark in the PC gaming world, and most of them are known only in the Far East.

Can you explain this further. I'm only aware of the American and Japanese gaming markets.

[Mr. Mister]

ALERT ALERT! The nickname for this new gaming Mac is:

"A Dell XPS that allows Mac OS X to be installed"

[Marathon4ever]

ALERT ALERT! The nickname for this new gaming Mac is:

"A Dell XPS that allows Mac OS X to be installed"
Ah, now you're on to something else entirely, but equally interesting...

[Marathon4ever]

PC gaming is in decline itself, as you should all know. Gamers are jumping off the annual hardware upgrade rat-race and playing on consoles. World of Warcraft and the other MMORPGs are the only bright spark in the PC gaming world, and most of them are known only in the Far East. I imagine they will transition as well as soon as China comes up with a clone of somebody's console. Maybe Microsoft will license the Xbox to them...

The only future for PCs and Macs to run games will be to emulate a console. There's a niche market for casual games (e.g. Bejewelled).
Every couple of years fools talk about the decline or end of computer games. This usually coincides with the release of the new generation of consoles. Then a few months later when computers get more powerful and beat the crap out of the consoles (hardware performance speaking) the talk dies down. Computer gaming isn't going anywhere. Video games and computer games are separate markets, neither is going to wipe out the other.

[gMac]

I'm disappointed, this thread is far less interesting than the title led me to believe!