MacBook Pro Now Shipping Plus Speed Bump

[MacRumors]

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According to a press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/feb/14macbookpro.html), Apple has started shipping the new MacBook Pro. In addition to the shipping announcement, the new machine is also being offered in 1.83 (up from 1.67) & 2.0 Ghz (up from 1.83) variants of the Intel Core Duo, Apple has also added a 2.16 Ghz build-to-order option on the portable.
“We are incredibly excited to start shipping the MacBook Pro, a groundbreaking new notebook with dual-processor desktop performance in a thin, sleek design,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. “The new MacBook Pro includes even faster Intel Core Duo processors than originally announced, up to 2.16 GHz, and we think customers are going to love them.”

MacBook Pro, announced January 10 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142811.shtml) as the replacement for the aging PowerBook, features a full-size backlit keyboard, AirPort Extreme wireless networking (802.11b/g), Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, ExpressCard/34 slot, dual-link DVI video out, Gigabit Ethernet, USB 2.0, FireWire 400, and optical digital and analog audio in/out.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Nice to see that Apple is going the BTO for higher speed options.

[guffman]

Where's my free upgrade??

[wheezy]

I just got laid off yesterday with an $8000 severance. Perhaps it's time for a Macbook Pro courtesy of the old job....The 2.16 perhaps?

I'm excited to see how everyone likes their's

[crap freakboy]

wish I could but I can't...ah well.

Heres hoping the benchmarks come close to the marketing hype.

[edge540]

Im wondering if those that ordered a 1.6 are getting the 1.8 and so forth.

[boombashi]

Where's my free upgrade??

Yeah. I don't see it on my order. I would assume that they would upgrade us by default. Otherwise, I will cancel. I think I'm gonna call.

[BornAgainMac]

This NEVER happened in the G4 world. I am very happy (assuming they didn't ship me the slower one anyways).

[andiwm2003]

you've got to love their marketing. "even faster than we thought".

the 0.16GHz are basically a 8% faster chip. that translates probably into a 4% faster machine. for $300!:rolleyes:

[gRage]

If you go for the 2.16 Ghz CPU upgrade, the US Store says 'shipping 1-3 business days' otherwise its still 3-4 weeks! Waiting for the UK store to get updated.

[Benjamin]

you've got to love their marketing. "even faster than we thought".

the 0.16GHz are basically a 8% faster chip. that translates probably into a 4% faster machine. for $300!:rolleyes:

Dell's asking $550 for that same upgrade at their BTO, but minus the $150 to get to 2Ghz, its only $400. so.. it looks to be a standard upgrade price, or below.

[Mudbug]

Sorry about my typo guys - the original 1.67 is now a 1.83, and the original 1.83 is now a 2.0. So in essense, everyone that pre-ordered got a free upgrade.

[japasneezemonk]

Rosetta looks more and more appealing.

[ahuman7341]

i still see nothing of bettery life

[ipacmm]

If you go for the 2.16 Ghz CPU upgrade, the US Store says 'shipping 1-3 business days' otherwise its still 3-4 weeks! Waiting for the UK store to get updated.

I guess would be because there aren't any other Mac using that 2.16Ghz chip...so they can use all of the in the MBP's.

[ziwi]

It is a nice move to auto upgrade based on the rapidly changing chip technology...I wonder if this type of upgrade frequency will hit the other lines once they are all on board - kind of makes the wait 6 months to see people more inclinded to buy when needed knowing that any tomorrow could leave your machine wanting...

[Spanky Deluxe]

So there we have it, our first "Rev B" Intel Macs!! :p :p

[SiliconAddict]

calling now. My order still shows 1.83ghz even though I paid for the primium speed. Not going to upgrade to 2.16 though. $300 isn't worth 1600Mhz. I'm on wait. Go figure. :D

verified: 2Ghz for anyone who ordered the 1.83Ghz system. Apple is really showing us the love today. :D

[Mudbug]

of note:
Additional build-to-order options for the 15-inch MacBook Pro now include the ability to upgrade to a 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, as well as 120GB (5400 rpm) or 100GB (7200 rpm) hard drive, up to 2GB DDR2 SDRAM, Apple USB Modem, and the AppleCare Protection Plan.

[gammamonk]

I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this kinda thing now that Apple is going intel. Intel releases new and updated products a heck of a lot faster we saw with G4 and G5's.

[SiliconAddict]

you've got to love their marketing. "even faster than we thought".

the 0.16GHz are basically a 8% faster chip. that translates probably into a 4% faster machine. for $300!:rolleyes:


Umm not. You are going from 1.83ghz -> 2ghz or 2.16ghz.

[anthonymoody]

Yeah I take this as a sign of very good things to come. As incremental CPU speeds come off the line from Intel, Apple will just slip them into currently shipping models/builds. No need for a "whole rev" just because of a modestly faster processor.

Speaking of which, I don't think the .16 boost is worth $300 personally, but it's great that Apple is making it an option. . .

TM

[gammamonk]

calling now. My order still shows 1.83ghz even though I paid for the primium speed. Not going to upgrade to 2.16 though. $300 isn't worth 1600Mhz. I'm on wait. Go figure. :D
People on the "Macbook shipping when?" thread are eating up all the Apple support reps. They're saying the upgrade will be automatic. You don't need to cancel.

[SiliconAddict]

of note:


Yah for $300. Ouch. 160mhz isn't worth $300 IMHO.

[radian23]

I guess i have to wait another week for my macbook pro but its upgraded for free so i guess thats fair. :D

[gammamonk]

Yah for $300. Ouch. 160mhz isn't worth $300 IMHO.
But is 160Mhz x2 worth it?

[BornAgainMac]

I wonder if this rumor floated around and people just thought it was too fake to post.

[themacman]

woaahh this is so aweosome. Good deal for people who ordered the 1.67, and the 2.16 is the first mac notebook to pass the 2ghz mark, not bad at all.

[SiliconAddict]

People on the "Macbook shipping when?" thread are eating up all the Apple support reps. They're saying the upgrade will be automatic. You don't need to cancel.


:eek:

Yah I just wished the guy good luck. :D

[gammamonk]

I wonder if this rumor floated around and people just thought it was too fake to post.
I read this forum all day long, and I didn't hear anything until it happened.

[RichP]

Silicon, you confirm we are all getting more than we paid for? (aka 2.0 for the 1.83?)

Whahaha! So excited! They ARE SHIPPING and FASTER THAN PLANNED!

PowerPC...so long, and I dont think we can "be friends" :)

[gammamonk]

When I was a student, I got the Student Developer discount on my Powerbook, Spend $100 to get in, get $500 off your notebook. I wish I was still a student. I want one of these BAD.

[ScottB]

Cool, does this mean there's hope for Core Duos in iBooks afterall?

[SiliconAddict]

But is 160Mhz x2 worth it?


I don't understand?

2Ghz at $2499 vs. 2.16Ghz at $2799. The speed difference .....Ahh I see what you mean. The Dual core thing... Hmm. Naaa. I'm good at 2Ghz. :cool:

[gammamonk]

...They ARE SHIPPING ...

As in, right now? To be arriving in a couple days?

[SiliconAddict]

Silicon, you confirm we are all getting more than we paid for? (aka 2.0 for the 1.83?)

Whahaha! So excited! They ARE SHIPPING and FASTER THAN PLANNED!

PowerPC...so long, and I dont think we can "be friends" :)

Yes. The rep said orders showing up on the store should be updated by the end of the day. Anyone who had 1.83Ghz systems will be bumped to 2Ghz. Happy Valentines Day everyone!

[iJaz]

Now I want a MacBook Pro!

[gammamonk]

How does this alter the "Dell is $1000 cheaper" issue?

[mdavey]

If you go for the 2.16 Ghz CPU upgrade, the US Store says 'shipping 1-3 business days' otherwise its still 3-4 weeks! Waiting for the UK store to get updated.

Cripes! Is expedited shipping (21 days down to 3 days) and a slightly (8%) faster CPU worth $300? Argghhh, can't decide! Brain says wait, heart says buy :confused:.

[aafuss1]

I'm impressed that Apple is offering a speedbump already. Now the Macbook Pro is a even better buy.

[gnasher729]

Cool, does this mean there's hope for Core Duos in iBooks afterall?

Well, you can hope, of course. On the other hand, google for "Intel price list". Then check the difference between 2.0 GHz and 2.16 GHz; it is $210 difference in the price list which translates to $300 in the end user price. The cheapest Core Duo is $240, which would translate to about $350 in the end user price. Do you expect a $350 chip in an iBook selling for $999?

[MacTruck]

Wahoo first comment!!

I just got laid off yesterday with an $8000 severance. Perhaps it's time for a Macbook Pro courtesy of the old job....The 2.16 perhaps?

I'm excited to see how everyone likes their's....Post away folks!


Ouch. I'd save that money if I were you. :eek:

[ipacmm]

Well, you can hope, of course. On the other hand, google for "Intel price list". Then check the difference between 2.0 GHz and 2.16 GHz; it is $210 difference in the price list which translates to $300 in the end user price. The cheapest Core Duo is $240, which would translate to about $350 in the end user price. Do you expect a $350 chip in an iBook selling for $999?

Well I am sure Apple will get a better rate on the chips for the iBooks...

[sushi]

So there we have it, our first "Rev B" Intel Macs!! :p :p
Sounds good. Time to order! :D

[nataku]

When the MacBook Pro was first announced, I said to myself that they couldn't possibly make it better in such a short time. I am dead wrong! :) Absolutely cool. I will definitely get one.

[erickg]

Does this mean there will be a 13" macbook/macbook pro with dual-core processors at 1.67 GHz? :) Don't have the cash for a 15" and need something more portable, would be perfect for me.

[radian23]

"The $1,999 model now includes a 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from the previously announced 1.67 GHz, and will begin shipping next week."

This is from the press release. So actually the lower end models ship next week and the higher end models ship this week.

[gnasher729]

How does this alter the "Dell is $1000 cheaper" issue?

A crappy Dell notebook selling for $999 is $1000 cheaper than a much better Apple notebook selling for $1999. On the other hand, if you compare equal products, it is unusual that Dell comes out any cheaper.

[bpd115]

This is a direct result of the "Dell 1000.00" Cheaper thread :p

[cwedl]

Sounds good to me! Don't understand why 2 people so far has said this story is negative!?

[ScottB]

If there's any proof the intel switch was worth it, this is it. Speed bumps before their even released, that's just awesome.

[jessica.]

So what was the price before? $2000 for a 1.67 and $2500 for a 1.83?

[robotrenegade]

I orderd the 1.8 and my order still hasn't come and its no updated. So I'm paying more for less.

[gammamonk]

I orderd the 1.8 and my order still hasn't come and its no updated. So I'm paying more for less.
It will take up to 24 hours to update. You'll be ok.

[guffman]

Such a good day so far! Will the 2.0s start shipping soon? (BTW call Apple to hear the automated message reguarding orders)

[hhlee]

while this is nice.... whatever happened to the battery life benchmarks? they claimed the models were prototypes before with more to refine but now that they are shipping, i care more about the battery life than a small upgrade in ghz.

ghz is over guys, remember that?

[edesignuk]

And so begins the dawn of Intel :D Regular and decent updates!

Suck on it Moto! :eek: :p

[sushi]

Ouch. I'd save that money if I were you. :eek:
I think I would too.

Eight thousand dollars is a lot of money. But it can go quickly if you don't have a job.

Just think, at 100 per month it would take almost 7 years to put away that much money.

[ipacmm]

Sounds good to me! Don't understand why 2 people so far has said this story is negative!?

because everyone at first thought that they weren't going to get the new chip if they already ordered it...that would be my guess for the negative story.

[Stella]

I hope all your pre order people are happy - certainly worth the extra wait, I hope! :->

[gnasher729]

Well I am sure Apple will get a better rate on the chips for the iBooks...

What difference would that make? There is a relation between (price on the Intel price list) and (price for end users). That relation will be the same for all chips, because Apple will get exactly the same rebate for all chips they buy. We know that $210 in the Intel price list translate to $300 coming out of your wallet. Whether Apple pays 100%, 90% or 10% of Intel's list price doesn't make any difference.

[ipacmm]

And so begins the dawn of Intel :D Regular and decent updates!

Suck on it Moto! :eek: :p

I hope it doesn't get updated too quickly because it would be like the windows world of buying a new computer and the next week something better will be out...

[SiliconAddict]

Sounds good to me! Don't understand why 2 people so far has said this story is negative!?


Apple lied to everyone and their MBP's aren't at 3Ghz. :p




Suck on it Moto! :eek: :p


LOL you just made my sig. :D

[Benjamin]

because everyone at first thought that they weren't going to get the new chip if they already ordered it...that would be my guess for the negative story.

Or maybe it's cause some people's VISA card poped out of their wallet today, and they aren't going to like the bill they get next month? ;)

[dogcowx]

i still see nothing of bettery life

I'm thinking that to still not mention battery life at this stage of the game is going to be a BAD thing. I'm going to hold my order until someone posts some numbers.

[edesignuk]

I hope it doesn't get updated too quickly because it would be like the windows world of buying a new computer and the next week something better will be out...That's true, but I'd still rather live with that than 1 small update every ~9 months or whatever it was.

[guffman]

Apple lied to everyone and they MBP's aren't at 3Ghz. :p

So can we expect our 2499 orders to ship soon? the 1999s are going to be a week? Is that what I'm reading?

[ibook30]

It's Finally Powerboko Tuesd,,, er Doh- MacBook Pro Tuesday??

Doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely- but it'll do.
:D

[SiliconAddict]

So can we expect our 2499 orders to ship soon? the 1999s are going to be a week? Is that what I'm reading?

Didn't ask. It'll ship when it ships. Couple things we can get out of this announcement. I think we now know the main reason why Apple didn't release battery life specs. Also I think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the MBP's ARE ZIF socketed.

[andiwm2003]

What difference would that make? There is a relation between (price on the Intel price list) and (price for end users). That relation will be the same for all chips, because Apple will get exactly the same rebate for all chips they buy. We know that $210 in the Intel price list translate to $300 coming out of your wallet. Whether Apple pays 100%, 90% or 10% of Intel's list price doesn't make any difference.


the difference is that a $240 chip is too expensive for a $999 notebook.

if apple gets the chip for $200 (~20% rebate) it might be just cheap enough to put it in a $999 notebook.

so it's more about the absolute price that a duo core can have in order to allow apple to still make money on the ibooks. if the absolute price for the duo core is too high they will have to go single core.

[staceydock]

Ive been using a 667mhz powerbook for four years.
I hope it comes soon.

[JJTiger1]

MacBook Pro: (667 FSB)
... extra $300 to get 2.16 GHZ (Core DUO)
... extra $300 to get total 2 GB ram
... extra $100 to get the proper 100 gig 7200 rpm hard drive
... extra $349 for AppleCare 3 year warranty

Bottom line:

$3548
=-=-=
Highest end Dull: $3781
2.26 GHZ, 2 gig ram, 60 gig 7200 RPM hard drive, 2 year warranty.
533 MHZ FSB, single processor.

100 GB 7200 RPM hard drive: $270

$4051

Gosh. More money for fewer but faster processor. Faster by a whopping 100 MHZ. More money for a slower Front Side Bus. More money for less warranty.
=-=-=
Okay, all of you lab rats. Compare the MacBook Pro 2.16 to the Dull XPS M170.

Use only Universal applications on the Mac Intel. No Rosetta emulation.
... we already know that Rosetta slows everything.

I am betting that the cheaper computer wins in most of the scores because of the dual core processor and faster FSB.
=-=-=
JJ

[Platform]

Wow..free upgrades :eek: :eek: :D

This is Great ! :cool:

[rimrocka07011]

Great! Now that I know my MacBook Pro is shipping TOMORROW with a processor upgrade to 1.83 GHz, I'm ecstatic! Great Valentine's Day gift Steve! :D

[Modrak]

Does this mean I ordered 1.67GHz - I'll get 1.83GHz ?

[Hattig]

Im wondering if those that ordered a 1.6 are getting the 1.8 and so forth.

From the link (maybe it wasn't in the original post, and I'm probably repeating what somebody else said - my excuse for that is that it will be useful to have it repeated on other pages of comments, um, yeah):

"All models of the new MacBook Pro will ship with faster Intel Core Duo processors than previously announced, delivering even greater performance at no additional cost. The $2,499 model now includes a 2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from the previously announced 1.83 GHz, and will begin shipping this week. The $1,999 model now includes a 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from the previously announced 1.67 GHz, and will begin shipping next week."

That's nice, and makes the laptop even more competitively priced against comparable OEMs, and not so bad against smaller cheaper ones (i.e., Acer).

[kretzy]

Apple must be feeling very generous! I'm so much more tempted to buy one now, just because of this kind gesture.

[Svennig]

the difference is that a $240 chip is too expensive for a $999 notebook.

if apple gets the chip for $200 (~20% rebate) it might be just cheap enough to put it in a $999 notebook.

so it's more about the absolute price that a duo core can have in order to allow apple to still make money on the ibooks. if the absolute price for the duo core is too high they will have to go single core.

As I said in a previous post:

There's a £100 difference (ish) between the macbook pro and the powerbook 15".

This bought a slimmer design, a built-in iSight, a much better screen, a faster and dual-core processor, and totally new chipset to tie it all together.

If they can put all that in a macbook for £100, they can put a part of it in an ibook for the same (or less, once the price of duos falls).


The difference in price between a core solo and the cheapest core duo is _tiny_. They won't save themselves much money by skimping there.

[bpd115]

Great! Now that I know my MacBook Pro is shipping TOMORROW with a processor upgrade to 1.83 GHz, I'm ecstatic! Great Valentine's Day gift Steve! :D

The press release says the 2.0 Ghz are shipping tomorrow and the 1.83s next week.

[andiwm2003]

there was once that rumor citing an insider. he said "i wouldn't order a macbook pro now".

i wonder if this was about this speed bump and he didn't know that there will be free upgrades.

[rimrocka07011]

The press release says the 2.0 Ghz are shipping tomorrow and the 1.83s next week.

Awww rats, another week... well, at least I got a free processor upgrade! :D

[Platform]

3-4 weeks for the 2.0Ghz but if you upgrade to 2.16Ghz it is only 1-3 days :eek:

[themacman]

i wonder what htey did with all the 1.67 chips.

[bpd115]

Awww rats, another week... well, at least I got a free processor upgrade! :D

I know I'm all giddy. There are rumblings on the Apple board that all orders are delayed until the 28th but I hope that's just wrong.

It's your first Mac? Awesome.

[guffman]

i wonder what htey did with all the 1.67 chips.

they never existed ;)

[crees!]

Since the 2.16GHz processors are shipping in 1-3 days do you think Apple got a deal from Intel to be the 1st out the door with these puppies? Everyone else (Dell,Gateway,etc) are scrounging for the sub-2.0GHz processors.

[mdavey]

i wonder what htey did with all the 1.67 chips.

Saving them for the MacBook perhaps?

[Chupa Chupa]

Apple must be feeling very generous! I'm so much more tempted to buy one now, just because of this kind gesture.


Don't get me wrong...I was THRILLED to learn this AM that my 1.67 is being bumped to a 1.83, but Apple didn't do this out of altruism. Necessity drove this decision, as it drives all business decisions.

Either there is a shortage of 1.67 chips or Apple did not feel the 1.67 model was competitive (based on their pre-order sales), or they decided to use the 1.67 chip in the iBook. I don't know the exact reason, but there was a logical basis for Apple KO'ing the 1.67 chip. Obviously it was not Apple's intention to bump up the MBPs before they even shipped.

[miketcool]

Finally, Apple has a laptop faster then the macintosh in the 21st century! Wonder how that 2.16 ghz stack up against the 2 ghz iMac?

[sammyg]

Here it is again (http://sybarites.org/2006/02/14/apples-macbook-pro-upgraded/)
Can I buy the 2.16 one in the Apple Store?

[berkleeboy210]

Okay, I'm reading this for the first time, Just woke up here on the East Coast, and am still kind of in a fog.

My order that I placed on January 10th, better be upgraded to the 1.83ghz Free, and I better not have to wait any longer for it.

I'm happy that I'm getting something faster. Wouldn't that have been sneaky if they shipped the 1.67 and 1.83 then announced the new processors tomorrow.

But I better not have to wait another week for the damn thing to ship.

Back on the phone with Apple i Go!

[rainmanbk]

Holy Crap!

I Love Apple.

Alsdfjkasdf

[darwin022]

yay! I just called and the automated message said that my order is now shipping with the 2.0GHz... while I'd have probably upgraded... not worth it :)

still says it ships tomorrow

[mdntcallr]

Very cool of Apple to upgrade the CPU specs!!! terriffic!!

One major other item, Please allow the option to order an upgraded Hard Drive.

The 160 GB 2.5' hard drive would be a great option for those of us needing lots of space on the laptop.

I want to be able to order this. Main reason, i don't want to buy it, then put a hard drive into it, and not have it covered by applecare.

please offer largest laptop hard drive avail apple!!!

[miketcool]

You dont suppose having a 1.67 ghz G4 line compared to the 1.67 ghz Intel line was causing confusion. I mean, and Joe could look at the two, see a massive proce difference and be like, what gives, I see the same speed. The transition seems more incrimental. 1.67ghz G4 ---> 1,83 ghz intel

[Chupa Chupa]

there was once that rumor citing an insider. he said "i wouldn't order a macbook pro now".

i wonder if this was about this speed bump and he didn't know that there will be free upgrades.


Nah. Who would hold back just because of a measly speed bump? I think he is referring to the Merom based MBPs, or something that makes you go WOW! I ordered a MBP, but they don't really make me go WOW! Maybe wow, but not WOW!. A tablet would make me to that and put my MBP on eBay in two seconds flat.

[SiliconAddict]

Wow..free upgrades :eek: :eek: :D

This is Great ! :cool:


Free is relative considering I'm spending almost three and a half grand on this thing but it makes the value of the laptop a whole heck nicer. That and something about getting to 2Ghz. Not 1.65, not 1.83, not 1.96, but 2Ghz. :cool:

[Modrak]

Hell, remeber those preproduction units at MW:SF ?


1,83GHz 2GB and only 128VRAM (looks like 1999$ with more RAM :)))

[SiliconAddict]

Does this mean I ordered 1.67GHz - I'll get 1.83GHz ?


Yes.

[gnasher729]

Since the 2.16GHz processors are shipping in 1-3 days do you think Apple got a deal from Intel to be the 1st out the door with these puppies? Everyone else (Dell,Gateway,etc) are scrounging for the sub-2.0GHz processors.

No, the ones who ordered the very first MacBooks will get them in 1-3 days as well. The difference is that there are thousands and thousands of orders for the other MacBooks, and there were exactly zero backorders for the 2.16 GHz. They don't ship any earlier really, but when you order a 1.83 or 2.00 GHz MacBook right now, you find yourself at the end of a very very long queue. For the 2.16 GHz, you are at the head of the queue.

[guffman]

My day has been made...now its off to get the girl some flowers :)

[applemax]

Hey hey hey hey hey! What about us poor Brits? Do we have to drag behind with 1.83s??????!!!!

[Platform]

Free is relative considering I'm spending almost three and a half grand on this thing but it makes the value of the laptop a whole heck nicer. That and something about getting to 2Ghz. Not 1.65, not 1.83, not 1.96, but 2Ghz. :cool:

I know, just saying that you got an unexpected free upgrade for the same money. ;)

And I don't think the 1.67Ghz are going to the MacBooks....dual core...nah ;)

[dcv]

Well I guess this is a nice bonus for all those people that pre-ordered!

But it does make me wonder... did they actually build any 1.67GHz models at all and just not ship them - and if so are they now going to be sold off cheaper or through the refurb store? Did they build them as 1.67 and then open them up again to replace the chips? (in which case you're effectively getting a refurb)

If they were never going to ship the 1.67 versions then why announce them to start with? Just curious...

[Hattig]

Don't get me wrong...I was THRILLED to learn this AM that my 1.67 is being bumped to a 1.83, but Apple didn't do this out of altruism. Necessity drove this decision, as it drives all business decisions.

Either there is a shortage of 1.67 chips or Apple did not feel the 1.67 model was competitive (based on their pre-order sales), or they decided to use the 1.67 chip in the iBook. I don't know the exact reason, but there was a logical basis for Apple KO'ing the 1.67 chip. Obviously it was not Apple's intention to bump up the MBPs before they even shipped.

More likely they used preorder sales information to get Intel to give them a speed bump for free - or in other words a greater rebate on processors in return for buying a speed grade higher, resulting in the same wholesale price for the processor + 166MHz. It makes Apple's laptops look better in comparison with other manufacturers.

And as I predicted, Apple are offering processor options (well, an option). Nice.

[kretzy]

Well I guess this is a nice bonus for all those people that pre-ordered!

But it does make me wonder... did they actually build any 1.67GHz models at all and just not ship them - and if so are they now going to be sold off cheaper or through the refurb store? Did they build them as 1.67 and then open them up again to replace the chips? (in which case you're effectively getting a refurb)

If they were never going to ship the 1.67 versions then why announce them to start with? Just curious...

Marketing and PR, 'nuff said. ;)


You look very pretty in that little pink number DCV!

[applemax]

Well the new one seems to be a bit thicker! Look at the thumbnails on the UK and US stores. The UK store seems a LOT thinner!

[MacSA]

Hey hey hey hey hey! What about us poor Brits? Do we have to drag behind with 1.83s??????!!!!

LOL........the rest of the world will probably get the slower 1.6/1.8 MacBook Pro :eek:

[gedto]

I bet this is the reason:

- 12'' Core Solo MacBook
- 13.3'' Core Duo 1.67 GHz MacBook

Date: April 1st, 2006 - Thirtieth anniversary ;)

[FireArse]

Well I guess this is a nice bonus for all those people that pre-ordered!

But it does make me wonder... did they actually build any 1.67GHz models at all and just not ship them - and if so are they now going to be sold off cheaper or through the refurb store? Did they build them as 1.67 and then open them up again to replace the chips? (in which case you're effectively getting a refurb)

If they were never going to ship the 1.67 versions then why announce them to start with? Just curious...

Maybe they just clocled them higher on the motherboards? I am happy for you 1st gen people - hope they're as good as they're advertised!! Just waiting on the Intel iBook. I wonder if this 2.16GHz beats the dual 2.3GHz G5.....ignoring the graphics card.

I think the Mac is going to be big this year and next year :)

F

[gnasher729]

the difference is that a $240 chip is too expensive for a $999 notebook.

if apple gets the chip for $200 (~20% rebate) it might be just cheap enough to put it in a $999 notebook.

so it's more about the absolute price that a duo core can have in order to allow apple to still make money on the ibooks. if the absolute price for the duo core is too high they will have to go single core.

There are four kind of chips Intel is offering for laptops: Celeron M, Pentium M, Core Solo, and Core Duo.

Pentium M has just been made obsolete by Core Duo, which is faster at the same price. Celeron M is cheap, and almost as good as Core Solo. Core Duo is only a tiny bit more expensive than Core Solo, at twice the performance. That is why I don't think there is any chance of a Core Solo; it is the wrong chip if you want a cheap chip, and it is the wrong chip if you want performance.

With today's announcement, it might be just about possible that Apple will ship iBooks with the slowest Core Duo, because they will want a gap between iBook and MacBook Pro, and now they can have that gap. Another possibility is two models; some people want a laptop at the cheapest possible price, and for some the performance is more important. Say $899 and $1099 for basic model with Celeron M and Core Duo. Instead of $1049 for Core Solo.

With these prices, just as an example, I would be very willing to pay $200 extra for Core Duo vs. Celeron M. I would _not_ pay $100 or $150 more for Core Solo.

[rog]

Well it's good that you can at least get them faster than in the iMac. I've always thought it was lame that a "Pro" machine was much slower than the current iMac as has been the case since the iMac G5 came out.

[reyesmac]

I will not be surprised if upgrades like this happen more often with the intel macs. When Apple announces a machine it is not ready to ship there will be many PC competitors who will make a better spec'd machine at a lower price by the time the Mac comes out. Apple will not be able to get away with slow increases in speed like it could with the PPC's. Now they will have to offer the fastest chips they can buy, at least on their pro machines. I like it.

[Svennig]

With these prices, just as an example, I would be very willing to pay $200 extra for Core Duo vs. Celeron M. I would _not_ pay $100 or $150 more for Core Solo.

Amen. Core Duo is a must, and I don't mind if they up the price of the ibooks a tad to make it happen.

[Diatribe]

I bet this is the reason:

- 12'' Core Solo MacBook
- 13.3'' Core Duo 1.67 GHz MacBook

Date: April 1st, 2006 - Thirtieth anniversary ;)

Now this would make a lot of sense.

[gnasher729]

Maybe they just clocled them higher on the motherboards?

No ****ing way. If Intel sells a 1.83 GHz chip, there is a fifty percent chance that it didn't pass the 2.00 GHz tests, and a considerable chance that it didn't pass those tests in very rare cases only - cases that are rare enough that Apple has no chance of finding them in tests, and often enough for your laptop to crash all the time.

Selling overclocked chips is a recipe for disaster, law suits, and the end of a promising business relationship with Intel.

Remember that Intel knows exactly how many of each chips Apple has bought. If there is anything suspicious, they will buy a laptop or two, and if they find overclocked chips, Apple would be in the deepest trouble you can imagine.

[iGary]

Well I guess this is a nice bonus for all those people that pre-ordered!

But it does make me wonder... did they actually build any 1.67GHz models at all and just not ship them - and if so are they now going to be sold off cheaper or through the refurb store? Did they build them as 1.67 and then open them up again to replace the chips? (in which case you're effectively getting a refurb)

If they were never going to ship the 1.67 versions then why announce them to start with? Just curious...

I think it is all marketing.

[Subliving]

Well, this cements my decision to opt for the MBP instead of the iMac. Thank you Apple for making my mind up for me. :p

Subliving

[Malcster]

Hey hey hey hey hey! What about us poor Brits? Do we have to drag behind with 1.83s??????!!!!

I checked with Apple Uk, my 1.67 has automagically been upgraded to a 1.83, altho an estimated ship date of March 6th.. :(

[Peace]

No ****ing way. If Intel sells a 1.83 GHz chip, there is a fifty percent chance that it didn't pass the 2.00 GHz tests, and a considerable chance that it didn't pass those tests in very rare cases only - cases that are rare enough that Apple has no chance of finding them in tests, and often enough for your laptop to crash all the time.

Selling overclocked chips is a recipe for disaster, law suits, and the end of a promising business relationship with Intel.

Remember that Intel knows exactly how many of each chips Apple has bought. If there is anything suspicious, they will buy a laptop or two, and if they find overclocked chips, Apple would be in the deepest trouble you can imagine.

I haven't been around Intel chips for a while but in the old days Intel's fab plants would churn out thousands of chips and run them through tests.Almost all of the time some chips were faster than others and labeled accordingly..Off the same wafer.

It might very well be after rigorous testing Intel found the the speeds were more in line with the 1.83 and 2.0 rather than 1.67 and 1.83..

[Cantab]

No, the ones who ordered the very first MacBooks will get them in 1-3 days as well. The difference is that there are thousands and thousands of orders for the other MacBooks, and there were exactly zero backorders for the 2.16 GHz. They don't ship any earlier really, but when you order a 1.83 or 2.00 GHz MacBook right now, you find yourself at the end of a very very long queue. For the 2.16 GHz, you are at the head of the queue.
On the Canadian Apple store site, any customization of the 2.0GHz model -- including downgrading from 1x1GB DIMM to 2x512MHz DIMMs, or pre-installing iWork -- reduces the estimated ship time from 3-4 weeks to 1-3 business days.

Which can't be right, so I think ship times are still in flux.

[inkhead]

There are quite a few confused people here, so let me clear up a few things.

1. Intel NEVER MADE A Dual Core 1.67ghz Processor. Ever.

Apple bought 1.8ghz rated chips, which some were considered "to not have baked" to the rated 1.8ghz rating. So Apple decided to underclock them and sell them all evenly as 1.67ghz to ensure consistency. Apple has now figured out however that the chips they bought all work fine at 1.8ghz. Just like the 1.8ghz chips are actually 2ghz chips, and the 2ghz ones will most likely all work at 2.16ghz. You'll easily be ablel to overclock and try this for yourself.

Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.

[TheMasin9]

im happy for all you guys who have ordered your macbooks. nice little boost for yall.

[Svennig]

There are quite a few confused people here, so let me clear up a few things.

1. Intel NEVER MADE A Dual Core 1.67ghz Processor. Ever.

Apple bought 1.8ghz rated chips, which some were considered "to not have baked" to the rated 1.8ghz rating. So Apple decided to underclock them and sell them all evenly as 1.67ghz to ensure consistency. Apple has now figured out however that the chips they bought all work fine at 1.8ghz. Just like the 1.8ghz chips are actually 2ghz chips, and the 2ghz ones will most likely all work at 2.16ghz. You'll easily be ablel to overclock and try this for yourself.

Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.

By this logic, Intel never made Celerons which were, afterall, Pentium 4s with defects in the cache or other problems that made them working, but crippled.

[Hattig]

There are quite a few confused people here, so let me clear up a few things.

1. Intel NEVER MADE A Dual Core 1.67ghz Processor. Ever.

Apple bought 1.8ghz rated chips, which some were considered "to not have baked" to the rated 1.8ghz rating. So Apple decided to underclock them and sell them all evenly as 1.67ghz to ensure consistency. Apple has now figured out however that the chips they bought all work fine at 1.8ghz. Just like the 1.8ghz chips are actually 2ghz chips, and the 2ghz ones will most likely all work at 2.16ghz. You'll easily be ablel to overclock and try this for yourself.

Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.

Bull

[SiliconAddict]

There are quite a few confused people here, so let me clear up a few things.

1. Intel NEVER MADE A Dual Core 1.67ghz Processor. Ever.

A


Oh really? You better tell Intel to update their webpages.

http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/CoreDuo.jpg

The .01 is a formality.

[sylgeist]

The 2Ghz model now meets the minimum specs to play 1080p content - that is huge!

[somo]

There are four kind of chips Intel is offering for laptops: Celeron M, Pentium M, Core Solo, and Core Duo.

Pentium M has just been made obsolete by Core Duo, which is faster at the same price. Celeron M is cheap, and almost as good as Core Solo. Core Duo is only a tiny bit more expensive than Core Solo, at twice the performance. That is why I don't think there is any chance of a Core Solo; it is the wrong chip if you want a cheap chip, and it is the wrong chip if you want performance.

With today's announcement, it might be just about possible that Apple will ship iBooks with the slowest Core Duo, because they will want a gap between iBook and MacBook Pro, and now they can have that gap. Another possibility is two models; some people want a laptop at the cheapest possible price, and for some the performance is more important. Say $899 and $1099 for basic model with Celeron M and Core Duo. Instead of $1049 for Core Solo.

With these prices, just as an example, I would be very willing to pay $200 extra for Core Duo vs. Celeron M. I would _not_ pay $100 or $150 more for Core Solo.

Did anyone think here about the death of the iBook as we know it? Why not give people something else at the low-end. Let's say a Tablet MAcBook able of normal people love to do- surf the net, import pictures from camera and using it for not such a high end software as I do at the momnet. Oh my poor G4 iBook!1!:cool:

[chrisk]

I called 2x (has 2 questions, forgot one)...2 things:

1: the 2nd guy on the phone said the 1-3 day shipping for the MBP w/ 100-7200rpm or 120-5400rpm is an error

2: first guy said mine looks like it will ship this week. the second guy told me *all* macbooks were delayed until the 28th. :confused:

but this conflicts with the press release. so who knows. the 28th is 2 weeks...that is outside of either option in the press release (ie this week or next) :confused:

[Platform]

There are quite a few confused people here, so let me clear up a few things.

1. Intel NEVER MADE A Dual Core 1.67ghz Processor. Ever.

Apple bought 1.8ghz rated chips, which some were considered "to not have baked" to the rated 1.8ghz rating. So Apple decided to underclock them and sell them all evenly as 1.67ghz to ensure consistency. Apple has now figured out however that the chips they bought all work fine at 1.8ghz. Just like the 1.8ghz chips are actually 2ghz chips, and the 2ghz ones will most likely all work at 2.16ghz. You'll easily be ablel to overclock and try this for yourself.

Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.

Thanks for the info.....but how the h*** do you know.....references ;)

[powerbook911]

The 2Ghz model now meets the minimum specs to play 1080p content - that is huge!

1.83 GHZ Core Duo iMac here, and it plays 1080p fine.

[SiliconAddict]

The 2Ghz model now meets the minimum specs to play 1080p content - that is huge!


1080P could be played on the 1.83Ghz. Prob the 1.67Ghz one as well. H.264 playback is being aided by the GPU.

[Peace]

Oh really? You better tell Intel to update their webpages.

http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/CoreDuo.jpg

The .01 is a formality.

After looking at that graphic I'd say Apple is planning on putting the lower power Dual 1.67 in the MacBook..
Thus the speed bump to clearly show the different specs between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.

[MacTruck]

i wonder what htey did with all the 1.67 chips.


Intel mini or ibook probably.

[Platform]

1.83 GHZ Core Duo iMac here, and it plays 1080p fine.

My G5 does too...although it's not suppose to according to Apple :D

[Svennig]

Bull

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040106-3258.html

Intel can either disable Pentium Ms purposely, or they can utilize defective Pentium Ms and selectively create Celeron Ms from them.

It is my understanding that the majority of celerons (non-M) came from the latter source, as pentium 4 chip yield was quite low.

[gedto]

I call BS to that never-made 1.67 story - there's evidence everywhere.

Plus... what's number 2 on your conspiracy theory? ;)

[SiliconAddict]

Seriously....I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl. :eek: :D


Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.

Maybe. There is still a number of things that could bar you from upgrading. the biggest being the firmware. The chipset is even what will be used in the next generation dual cores so all that is really left is EFI.

[.jacob]

I saw this this morning and in a frezny I placed a 2nd order for the 2.0mhz MBP not realizing that my original order for the 1.83mhz would be speed bumped for free! Thank God I didn't cancel my initial order!!!

[~Shard~]

Wow, this is great news from Apple. I had my concerns on how they would step up to the quickly-changing Intel way of doing things (i.e. more frequent updates), but so far they haven't missed a step! This is a great bonus for all those early adopters, and it also increases the probability that we'll see more powerful chips in the upcoming MacBooks as well - possibly even the 1.67 GHz chips as others have speculated - this would be much better than having the Core Solos in them! Perhaps the Solos will be saved for the Mac minis....

So does this count as a Rev B Intel Mac then? :p ;) :D

[crees!]

Not only that, the chips in the Mac Book Pro are pin-for-pin compatible with the new 64bit chips shipping in june. Meaning the brave people will be able to buy the chip and upgrade their laptop just like any old windows machine.
From what I read in the last couple days these Core Duo chips are in fact already 64-bit. I'll have to look up the source where I read that, but I do remember that.

EDIT: Okay, here's the link. Don't know how true this is. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/intel/intel-hiding-features-from-users-153822.php

[LimeiBook86]

*looks at Intel iMac :(* Your outdated! Nooo! Hahaha :p :rolleyes:

Nah, my iMac is fine, it's nice to see the speed bump in the Mac Book Pro, it might of tempted me to purchase one instead of the iMac. It has a smaller screen but, it has a better Video-Out option...oh and it costs more. Oh well, good thing for you people that ordered, enjoy! :D

[bpd115]

People on the Apple forums are going nuts...being told different things by phone reps.

Namely that the 1.8s won't be upgraded for free and their will just be a monitary credit (For how much? a 1.8 with a 256 Vram doesn't exist) and wasn't there a phone automated message stating the contrary?

And that shipping has been pushed to the 28th.

[alep85]

Well, when someone who had a Feb. 15th ship date gets an order update email, let us know!

[robbieduncan]

From what I read in the last couple days these Core Duo chips are in fact already 64-bit. I'll have to look up the source where I read that, but I do remember that.

EDIT: Okay, here's the link. Don't know how true this is. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/intel/intel-hiding-features-from-users-153822.php

See the thread already existing in Page 2 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2140510#post2140510) if you want to discuss this.

[maverick808]

*looks at Intel iMac :(* Your outdated! Nooo! Hahaha :p :rolleyes:

Nah, my iMac is fine, it's nice to see the speed bump in the Mac Book Pro, it might of tempted me to purchase one instead of the iMac. It has a smaller screen but, it has a better Video-Out option...oh and it costs more. Oh well, good thing for you people that ordered, enjoy! :D

Don't the iMac video adapters give you exactly the same video out options on the iMac? I know my friend has plugged his iMac into his 20" ACD.

[fabsgwu]

I bet they're going to use the now slower chips for the MacBook (iBook) to differentiate the laptop lines. Announcement in March anyone? :)

Apple marketing speed-hype watch: They've updated the MacBook Pro product page with new benchmarks (now up to 5.2 x faster! :p)

Apple marketing battery life watch: Instead of telling us the battery life for the MacBook Pro, Apple points you to this ridiculous page on notebook/ipod batteries. It practically goes through a physics theory lesson: http://www.apple.com/batteries/

[mmcxiiad]

i just called about my 1.83, which got comp'ed to a 2.0, and did the cpu upgrade to 2.16. I ordered it as fast as i could after macworld and it was set to ship tomorrow (yeah right). *exhale* i am really thrilled about this. the rep on the phone told me a few things:

1. this upgrade *may* push back my ship time 1 - 3 weeks
2. the order wasn"t at a point that the cpu upgrade would be impossible.

this got me thinking. i could be way off, but....

i personally don;t think that the cpu was was finalized when it was announced. they prob knew that they could atleast get the 1.67/1.83's and were hoping to get the 1.83/2.0/2.16;s but better to not announce that if you are unsure. More importantly, this is a great way to break the bad news that your laptop isn't going to be shipping.

"we have some good news and bad news for you. the good news is that you are getting a free upgraded cpu. the bad news is that, it is going to be another week or so"

ultimatly, it is possible that all of the macbook's ordered were going to be delayed anyway... this was just the spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down.... and the stock prices to come back up.

well, that is just my opinion.... i could be wrong
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[Lepton]

So I order the fastest available MacBook Pro, and a faster 2.16GHz model becomes available before it even ships! :eek: That has GOT to be some kind of record! I'm delighted to get the free upgrade though. ;)

[Mord]

No ********** way. If Intel sells a 1.83 GHz chip, there is a fifty percent chance that it didn't pass the 2.00 GHz tests, and a considerable chance that it didn't pass those tests in very rare cases only - cases that are rare enough that Apple has no chance of finding them in tests, and often enough for your laptop to crash all the time.

Selling overclocked chips is a recipe for disaster, law suits, and the end of a promising business relationship with Intel.

Remember that Intel knows exactly how many of each chips Apple has bought. If there is anything suspicious, they will buy a laptop or two, and if they find overclocked chips, Apple would be in the deepest trouble you can imagine.


intel does not "test" chips in that way, to do so is time consuming, they test one 300mm disk and work out safe clock speeds for different areas, closer to the middle cpu's are better quality cpu's near the edge have more defects, they may run them through a quick test to see if they work but not intencive testing to determine clock speed.

[SiliconAddict]

People on the Apple forums are going nuts...being told different things by phone reps.

Namely that the 1.8s won't be upgraded for free and their will just be a monitary credit (For how much? a 1.8 with a 256 Vram doesn't exist) and wasn't there a phone automated message stating the contrary?

And that shipping has been pushed to the 28th.

Umm no. This is why people need to settle down. They are spreading all kinds of rumors. there are free upgrades across the board except for the 2.16Ghz. So

If you had ----> You get..
--------------------------
1.67Ghz -----> 1.83Ghz
1.83Ghz -----> 2Ghz

[maverick808]

Apple marketing battery life watch: Instead of telling us the battery life for the MacBook Pro, Apple points you to this ridiculous page on notebook/ipod batteries. It practically goes through a physics theory lesson: http://www.apple.com/batteries/

The page only talks about LION and Nickel batteries anyway... no mention of the LiPo battery that is actually used for the MacBook.

[darwin022]

People on the Apple forums are going nuts...being told different things by phone reps.

Namely that the 1.8s won't be upgraded for free and their will just be a monitary credit (For how much? a 1.8 with a 256 Vram doesn't exist) and wasn't there a phone automated message stating the contrary?

And that shipping has been pushed to the 28th.

according to the automated message: ALL 1.67GHz will be upgraded to 1.83ghz and ALL 1.83GHz orders will be upgraded to 2.0GHz

I will call back and verify this afternoon. They said that the updates will show up tomorrow.

[Avenger23]

I just had mine upgraded to the 2.16 option. I thought it was really funny that the gentleman that was helping me stated that they just found out this morning in a email that was sent around.

[Lepton]

I'm guessing Intel came though with faster chips quicker than planned, and Apple pulled a bunch of slow Macs and replaced them with the faster chips. This all makes me think the CPUs must be socketed and in a not-so-hard place to get to. Perhaps for a while at least, as faster chips come out, we users can just pop 'em into the book!

[bpd115]

I'm guessing Intel came though with faster chips quicker than planned, and Apple pulled a bunch of slow Macs and replaced them with the faster chips. This all makes me think the CPUs must be socketed and in a not-so-hard place to get to. Perhaps for a while at least, as faster chips come out, we users can just pop 'em into the book!

Welcome to the world of Intel and using standard parts. Upgrading Mac processors will become more common across the board...

*Setting my sights on the Mac Pro or Pro Mac or whatever...*

[turbopants]

Wow, the Intel transition has already provided some sweet surprises! Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Personally, I'm waiting for the successor to the iBook (MacBook?) for my first Intel Mac laptop. Must be a nice surprise for those that have already ordered their Mac Book Pro's!

[g0gie]

omg should i upgrade to 2.16 for $270? its so tempting!

[Hattig]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040106-3258.html


What's a post about Celeron Ms in January 2004 got to do with Intel never shipping a dual-core 1.67GHz processor, when said processor is all over the news and Intel's processor pages?

[DakotaGuy]

So does this mean if you wait a couple more months you will get a 2.3 Ghz model? Looks like specs. will now be subject to change at any minute like the PC world, which is a great thing. It just looks like the old...should I wait or should I buy...threads around here won't really matter anymore.

[gnasher729]

intel does not "test" chips in that way, to do so is time consuming, they test one 300mm disk and work out safe clock speeds for different areas, closer to the middle cpu's are better quality cpu's near the edge have more defects, they may run them through a quick test to see if they work but not intencive testing to determine clock speed.

If that were the case, Dell would have long switched to AMD, Apple would never have switched to Intel in the first place, and Intel would be bankrupt. Every single chip is checked on its own. You need some incredibly expensive equipment to do that at speed, but that is what Intel and every processor manufacturer does.

[SiliconAddict]

I'm guessing Intel came though with faster chips quicker than planned, and Apple pulled a bunch of slow Macs and replaced them with the faster chips. This all makes me think the CPUs must be socketed and in a not-so-hard place to get to. Perhaps for a while at least, as faster chips come out, we users can just pop 'em into the book!

Right now it doesn't make much sense. A 2.16Ghz Core Duo is going to run you close to $700. Where things get interesting is in a year with Intel's next generation core Duo. That will be Dual Core, cooler, faster, 64-bit, double the cache size, pin compatible with the current MBP, and will, at least initially, sport the same chipset that is found in the MBP. The only roadblock as I stated before is Apple's EFI. Even if you can’t get Merom. I expect a die shrink on current Core Duo chips in a year. Enough that 2007’s Core Duos will consume less power then today’s. Pop in the same chip and get better battery life. Or pop in a 2.25Ghz Core Duo and increase the performance while eating the same amount of power. That alone would be cool.

[Fabio_gsilva]

Sounds good to me! Don't understand why 2 people so far has said this story is negative!?

Yeah... this always the same...

If Apple just star to give every mac user US$ 100.00 in cash, just for the fact that you someday bought a Mac, people will still vote this as negative, and complaining:

"ouch!!! They could at least give us US$ 200, because 100 is nothing compared to bla bla bla bla..."

TFA

[BornAgainMac]

Ive been using a 667mhz powerbook for four years.
I hope it comes soon.

Dinobook

[buryyourbrideau]

I think that the reasoning behind all of this is they werent finished testing the prototypes and figured that the 1.67 was too slow for a pro machine.

[shooby]

they never existed ;)

They probably are going to make the lower end intel iBook for $999 with a core solo 1.66ghz processor

and the high end $1299 intel iBook will probably have the dual core 1.66

[shadowfayre]

FYI,

I just called to bump my order to the 2.16 and was told there was an additional lead out time (4-6 weeks). Maybe I should call and get a different rep. Not that 160x2mhz is worth the 300 bucks, but if it takes be down from the March delivery (ordered mine late)... the cost would have been worth it.

Bummer.

[ThomasM]

i think its quite obvious that they will use the 1,67ghz cpus for the next ibook

[mmcxiiad]

i don't think that intel just called apple and said "listen, we know that you are supposed to be shipping these things today, but what if we upgraded your chips at no cost"

besides even if that did happen, it would cost apple big time to open boxes, swap cpus, change stats on boxes, put them back in and ship them out. i think that apple knew about this for a little while and waited untill now to say so.

overclocking is out to, you would want todo some serious test before releasing those. besides once people found out, and it would have happened, people would be ticked. this definitly would have made thier intel launch be very soured.

to me, i think that apple would have rather shipped the slower chips then get caught overclocking. besides, overclocking a laptop seems like a really bad idea.... "is that smoke i smell and see coming out of my new macbook pro?"

maybe a better way to say the spoonful of sugar bit is this:

a spoonful of megahurtz helps the wait time go down. (down as in swallow not shorten)

[akac]

Just ordered the 2.16Ghz for my wife....awesome :)

[gnasher729]

I call BS to that never-made 1.67 story - there's evidence everywhere.

Plus... what's number 2 on your conspiracy theory? ;)

Dell seems to be selling laptops with 1.67 GHz Core Duo, so if Intel doesn't build them, maybe we should tell Michael Dell?

[Macmaniac]

I Love Apple's New Graphic for the MacBook Pro: It's even faster then we thought:)

Now the iMac is outdated, when do they get a speed bump? If a guy in Japan can replace the chip why can't Apple lol.

[nagromme]

A nice surprise for the early adopters!

BTO processors are a new one for Apple, aren't they? Sounds like they're not fixed to the mobo to me.

So does this mean Apple was afraid of constrained chip supplies at the high end, and now it turns out Intel can deliver better than expected? That too would be a new one for Apple...

[SiliconAddict]

FYI,

I just called to bump my order to the 2.16 and was told there was an additional lead out time (4-6 weeks). Maybe I should call and get a different rep. Not that 160x2mhz is worth the 300 bucks, but if it takes be down from the March delivery (ordered mine late)... the cost would have been worth it.

Bummer.


Dude you are screwed. You can change it back but you just lost your place in line. :(

[nomad01]

I wasn't planning on buying for a month or two yet but this is just great news.

I was settled on the 1.67 model but secretly longing for the faster one. :D Whether it's been caused by necessity (probably) or just a marketing ploy, I'm happy.

[nagromme]

I just called to bump my order to the 2.16 and was told there was an additional lead out time (4-6 weeks).
Maybe because Apple sold all they had in a matter of hours :)

[Peace]

I Love Apple's New Graphic for the MacBook Pro: It's even faster then we thought:)

Now the iMac is outdated, when do they get a speed bump? If a guy in Japan can replace the chip why can't Apple lol.

Outdated iMac? are you referring to the G5 or the Intel?
The 17" Intel has the 1.83 dual-core and the 20" has the 2.0 dual-core

[laidbackliam]

Im wondering if those that ordered a 1.6 are getting the 1.8 and so forth.

i just called apple and they said that even though i ordered the 1.67 processor, i'm getting the 1.83

[kretzy]

Outdated iMac? are you referring to the G5 or the Intel?
The 17" Intel has the 1.83 dual-core and the 20" has the 2.0 dual-core
Yes, but it doesn't have the 2.16 :p ;)

[Macmaniac]

Outdated iMac? are you referring to the G5 or the Intel?
The 17" Intel has the 1.83 dual-core and the 20" has the 2.0 dual-core
I am referring to the Intel one, already the MacBook Pro is faster then it! The Intel iMac's have a socket, Apple could just swap procs, its not that hard, some guy in Japan got it to work!

[milo]

How the HELL does someone rate a free speed upgrade a negative?????

[Peace]

How the HELL does someone rate a free speed upgrade a negative?????

There's obviously a broken Window pane in the Apple barrel :p

[gedto]

I am referring to the Intel one, already the MacBook Pro is faster then it!

As it should. PowerBook/MacBook Pro should be exactly that, a PRO computer.

iMac should be a consumer powerful computer, but I think it's time they realized that the PowerBo... er... MacBook Pro is a portable version of the PowerMac, not an iBook on steroids.

As of last year it was like:

PowerMac--->NOTHING
iMac-------->NOTHING
Mac mini---->iBook/PowerBook

From now on it will be:

PowerMac--->MacBook Pro
iMac-------->iBook
Mac mini---->NOTHING

Makes A LOT more sense, IMHO.

[Peace]

I am referring to the Intel one, already the MacBook Pro is faster then it! The Intel iMac's have a socket, Apple could just swap procs, its not that hard, some guy in Japan got it to work!

By that logic if one buys the standard 2.0 MacBook Pro it's outdated also.

[DHagan4755]

I just got off of the phone with Apple and they said my 1.67GHz model was upgraded to the 1.83GHz, everything was on track and would be shipped tomorrow, and since I did express shipping, I should have it by Friday.

[Yvan256]

Yah for $300. Ouch. 160mhz isn't worth $300 IMHO.

<style voice="oldman">Back in my days, 160MHz was ten times faster than the fastest processor available!</style> ;)

[Macmaniac]

By that logic if one buys the standard 2.0 MacBook Pro it's outdated also.
Not true, it has not even been released, and since it is party of the same family as the 2.16 it is not outdated.

[Yvan256]

From now on it will be:

PowerMac--->MacBook Pro
iMac-------->iBook
Mac mini---->NOTHING

Makes A LOT more sense, IMHO.

Sorry, but I don't see the iBook getting a dual-core processor... And the PowerMac (or "Mac Pro") should most likely be a quad cores (two dual-core processors).

So that makes it (as far as processor cores are concerned):
Mac Pro ---> Nothing
iMac ---> MacBook Pro
Mac mini ---> iBook

I'm still wishing for a "Mac mini pro" (same specs as the entry model of iMac in a Mac mini casing, taller if needed).

[Peace]

If one upgrades from the 2.0 to the 2.16 you're not just upping 160mhz..
These are dual cores..
you're upping 320 mhz.

[berkleeboy210]

I just got off of the phone with Apple and they said my 1.67GHz model was upgraded to the 1.83GHz, everything was on track and would be shipped tomorrow, and since I did express shipping, I should have it by Friday.

Sounds Hopeful. When did you order yours? I ordered mine on 1/10 and have the exact same order.

Several people @ Apple have told me it will go out tomorrow, others have told me not until the 28th :(

[SiliconAddict]

If one upgrades from the 2.0 to the 2.16 you're not just upping 160mhz..
These are dual cores..
you're upping 320 mhz.


CPU's don't work like that. we don't have a 4Ghz CPU in our MBP's do we? the dual core dual CPU G5 isn't a 10Ghz system is it?
Also MANY apps can't take advantage of the second core so by and large you are getting a 160Mhz upgrade.

[bpd115]

If one upgrades from the 2.0 to the 2.16 you're not just upping 160mhz..
These are dual cores..
you're upping 320 mhz.

Dual 2 Ghz does not = 4 Ghz.

So yes, you're getting 320 mhz total but not really


or something

[Peace]

CPU's don't work like that. we don't have a 4Ghz CPU in our MBP's do we? Also MANY apps can't take advantage of the second core so by and large you are getting a 160Mhz upgrade.

Ok.I'll give but you're getting a "dual" 160Mhz upgrade :p

[ijimk]

HOLY CRAP THAT :eek: THING IS INSANE!

[DHagan4755]

When did you order yours? I ordered mine on 1/10 and have the exact same order.
I ordered my on 1/10/06 at 11:14AM PDT. It better not be the 28th!!!

[berkleeboy210]

I ordered my on 1/10/06 at 11:14AM PDT. It better not be the 28th!!!

Mine was ordered at 11:11AM PDT, So i'm a few minutes ahead of you. hopefully we will get email confirms tomorrow.

I'm gunna be pissed off, if we have to technically wait till march for it since feb has 28 days

[milo]

Well, you can hope, of course. On the other hand, google for "Intel price list". Then check the difference between 2.0 GHz and 2.16 GHz; it is $210 difference in the price list which translates to $300 in the end user price. The cheapest Core Duo is $240, which would translate to about $350 in the end user price. Do you expect a $350 chip in an iBook selling for $999?

End user price means nothing, Apple buys in volume so they get even cheaper than list price. The core solo lists at $209, by your logic I guess the ibooks won't have that either? (meaning what instead? old celerons?) We'll likely see the core solo in the $999 ibook, but if they have a duo (1.83) in a $1999 15 inch macbook (which means they'll likely also have it in a $1499 12 or 13 inch model), I don't see what's so farfetched about also having a slower clocked one in a $1299 ibook. And, as we've seen this speed bump so fast, we also may see price drops on the Core chips before the ibook even ships.

We know that $210 in the Intel price list translate to $300 coming out of your wallet.

Not really. Sounds like you don't know anything and are just making numbers up.

So when do we see the $300 2.16 option for iMacs? Hell, when do we see options of ALL THREE speeds for either size monitor? I miss BTO processors. Apple used to do it. I used the option when I bought my beige G3/333. I'd love to see them bring it back.

The battery life thing is pretty alarming, I'd NEVER buy a laptop without knowing battery life beforehand. Although, battery life may be a bit shorter with the faster chips, this could be their reason for waiting. They just better say SOMETHING soon.

[pgwalsh]

Rosetta looks more and more appealing.
I hear ya. :D

[themacman]

now with the fastest macbook at 2.16ghz does this mean it is possibly as fast or faster then a powermac G5?

[noelister]

i wonder what htey did with all the 1.67 chips.

They are going into the Mac Mini. Duh! :D

[Sogo]

I guess apple is showing the love <3 !!!

[brepublican]

Maybe because Apple sold all they had in a matter of hours :)
Doubt that, 'pparently the intel macs arent doing as well as expected...

[Elrond39]

Now I'm thinking that the smaller-sized lappys will be as follows:
13.3" iBook Core Solo ($999) 1.67
13.3" iBook Core Duo ($1199/1299) 1.5 low-voltage
13.3" MacBook Pro Core Duo ($1499) 1.67 (with a 1.83 BTO)

Seem plausible?

[milo]

Doubt that, 'pparently the intel macs arent doing as well as expected...

Says who? Think secret? Don't make me laugh.

Apple Insider says intel sales are doing great, TS says bad. After seeing how bad TS's predictions were for the January announcements, and how close AI was, who are you going to believe?

[pgwalsh]

Doubt that, 'pparently the intel macs arent doing as well as expected...
I heard that too and it makes sense considering most Pro software applications aren't ported yet. Until Adobe/Macromedia port their apps, I don't see MacBooks Pro pushing out the door in large numbers. A lot of musicians use Macs as well, but most of those aren't ported either. So what's the point of buying now.

[chaos86]

why are people jumping for joy about the extra .16 ghz when a couple of months ago ppl were bitching that the powerbook update was ONLY .16 ghz?

[bpd115]

why are people freaking out about the extra .16 ghz when a couple of months ago ppl were bitching that the powerbook update was ONLY .1something ghz?

Because it was .1something ghz after about 10 months and you had to pay for it?

This is free and before the product started shipping.


Just a guess :rolleyes:

[Kingsly]

Yesssssssssssss!

[nxent]

well this is certainly a change of pace. whereas before we'd have to wait several months with speculation and theory about a G4/G5 speed boost, it just magically happens sans all the fanfare with intel duo. interesting... yay for apple's freedom from processor supply issues and speed problems.:)

[Chupa Chupa]

Doubt that, 'pparently the intel macs arent doing as well as expected...


Got some hard numbers to back that up? Since Apple doesn't release actual or projected sales numbers for specific machines I'm going to go out on a limb and say I bet only a small group of Apple execs know this info, and they aren't the types to leak.

You don't think Apple number crunchers took into account the lack of UB software in their own internal sales projections? I mean you are guessing Intel macs aren't doing well as expected....what is expected. Please show me the hard numbers.

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Remember when we'd pay $1000 for 160MHz back in the G4 days? Ah nostalgia *sigh* :-)

Yah for $300. Ouch. 160mhz isn't worth $300 IMHO.

[guffman]

why are people jumping for joy about the extra .16 ghz when a couple of months ago ppl were bitching that the powerbook update was ONLY .16 ghz?

Becuase it was unexpected and it was free! But I feel like a speed bump with the Intel chips is a bigger deal than with PPC. But I really have no clue. Would you NOT be happy if your long awaited 1.83 suddenly became a 2.0 overnight? :confused:

[NitRam Den Gale]

Finally someone gave me a Valentinesday gift! Thank you Steve! :)

[p0intblank]

Well isn't this a nice surprise for those you ordered their MacBook Pro. :) Surprise speed bumps are always nice little extras. If Apple is upgrading the specs of the new Intel Macs this easily and quickly, the long rumored 3 GHz ship shouldn't be TOO far off. :D

I can't wait to read impressions!

[BornAgainMac]

I bet the marketshare of the 2.16 Ghz Intel CPU is high for Apple. I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of them are going to Apple.

[easymac800g4]

must...

stop...

adding macbook to cart...

pretending that...

i am going...

to buy it!

[bpd115]

must...

stop...

adding macbook to cart...

pretending that...

i am going...

to buy it!

Do what I did...don't look at the order total, put the mouse on the submit button, close your eyes really tight, turn your head and click.

[syklee26]

I guess Apple had about 5 2.16ghz processors. now wait time is back to 3-4 weeks for those too.

and the darn thing is I ordered what is now a 2.0ghz within 30 minutes after Apple's announcement of macbook pro and now shipping date is delayed for a week. damn it.

[seancusick]

Everyone check your order status. Mine, ordered 30 min after the keynote just went from Feb 15th, to feb 23. Stock 1.67.

I applaud the extra speed bump, but I sold off my ibook, and was counting on this macbook to ship on the 15th (like all of us).

[mdavey]

Now I'm thinking that the smaller-sized lappys will be as follows:
13.3" iBook Core Solo ($999) 1.67
13.3" iBook Core Duo ($1199/1299) 1.5 low-power
13.3" MacBook Pro Core Duo ($1499) 1.67 (with a 1.83 BTO)

Seem plausible?

Very plausible. I came to a similar conclusion, but got there a different way:

11.1" MacBook mini (similar specs as low-end Intel Mac mini: Core Solo 1.67): $799
11.1" MacBook mini (similar specs as high-end Intel Mac mini: Core Duo 1.67): $999
13.3" MacBook (Core Duo 1.67): $1299
13.3" MacBook Pro (Core Duo 1.83): $1499

I think we'll see the low-power chips appear in the MacBook Pro line before the iBook/MacBook line.

The MacBook mini: The price looks very competitive but just like the Mac mini (and PC manufacturers such as Dell), doesn't include anything you actually need. By the time you've upgraded the HDD, RAM, VRAM and Optical drive and added in Bluetooth and WiFi the machine is significantly more than the original price tag suggested.

I could see Apple wanting to put a 1.5GHz Core Duo in the Mac mini. I am surprised that Intel doesn't offer one (but then perhaps the likelyhood of the chip working a 1.5GHz but not 1.67GHz is fairly small or perhaps they are worried about inpacting their legacy chip lines). What do you think the likelyhood is of Apple asking Intel for a 1.5GHz Core Duo and Intel agreeing (either just for Apple or to be announced when Apple announces they'll ship their computers based on the chip)?

[MacBoobsPro]

Yeah I take this as a sign of very good things to come. As incremental CPU speeds come off the line from Intel, Apple will just slip them into currently shipping models/builds. No need for a "whole rev" just because of a modestly faster processor.

Speaking of which, I don't think the .16 boost is worth $300 personally, but it's great that Apple is making it an option. . .

TM


Its all just good marketing.

'Lets get Intels out early oh and a free upgrade when they ship.'

Why keep making chips that are only slightly faster. Its not very profitable!

This is just a quick gimmick to say 'hey we are releasing new stuff, oh and by the way its on Intel.'

Cant freakin wait for the G6 or whatever it will be called... has anyone put any thought into the name of the new powermac?

I like Mac '****ing mint' Pro! :D

[Chupa Chupa]

Everyone check your order status. Mine, ordered 30 min after the keynote just went from Feb 15th, to feb 23. Stock 1.67.


Just checked mine. Still 1.67 with ETA Shipping 2/15. Also ordered w/i 30 min of keynote ending. Maybe they haven't gotten around to the CTOs yet (7200 HD).

[bpd115]

Everyone check your order status. Mine, ordered 30 min after the keynote just went from Feb 15th, to feb 23. Stock 1.67.

I applaud the extra speed bump, but I sold off my ibook, and was counting on this macbook to ship on the 15th (like all of us).

This is in line with the press release.

My 1.83 (now 2.0) ordered Jan 11th 2006 @ 8:35am PST still shows 2/15.

[chrisk]

my stock 1.83 order hasn't changed.

i'd rather have my 1.83 delivered friday than have a 2.0 delivered in march, if the new Feb 28 date i was told is true. .17ghz is worthless.

[rainmanbk]

So I just called and asked about the shipping and the speed bump. She said all orders are automatically bumped up, and I changed my shipping to 2-day for $15.00. Still set to ship tomorrow, hopefully I will get by Friday.

I don't want to wait anymore!

[SiliconAddict]

Just checked mine. Still 1.67 with ETA Shipping 2/15. Also ordered w/i 30 min of keynote ending. Maybe they haven't gotten around to the CTOs yet (7200 HD).


Still 1.83Ghz and the 15th. Was told by the rep that it would change by end of day.

[mitaiwan82]

MacBook Pro: (667 FSB)
... extra $300 to get 2.16 GHZ (Core DUO)
... extra $300 to get total 2 GB ram
... extra $100 to get the proper 100 gig 7200 rpm hard drive
... extra $349 for AppleCare 3 year warranty

Bottom line:

$3548
=-=-=
Highest end Dull: $3781
2.26 GHZ, 2 gig ram, 60 gig 7200 RPM hard drive, 2 year warranty.
533 MHZ FSB, single processor.

100 GB 7200 RPM hard drive: $270

$4051

Gosh. More money for fewer but faster processor. Faster by a whopping 100 MHZ. More money for a slower Front Side Bus. More money for less warranty.
=-=-=
Okay, all of you lab rats. Compare the MacBook Pro 2.16 to the Dull XPS M170.

Use only Universal applications on the Mac Intel. No Rosetta emulation.
... we already know that Rosetta slows everything.

I am betting that the cheaper computer wins in most of the scores because of the dual core processor and faster FSB.
=-=-=
JJ

Do you know there's a new Dell Inspiron E1705 that comes with a Core Duo processor? I priced out the following E1705:

Intel Core Duo Processor T2600 2.16Ghz
17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display (1920 x 1200)
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
8x CD/DVD burner (dual layer writing capable)
3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year At-Home Service plus Nights and Weekend

Total cost: $3646 - $250 rebate = $3396

Higher resolution screen (albeit it's 17"), faster discrete graphics solution...sorry to break it to you, but the "Dull" is still cheaper.

[amac4me]

This is great news, good job Apple. I think this is a great way for Apple to thank their customers for ordering the MacBook Pro when it was announced. This is great PR and lets customers know that Apple is committed to providing a great value for the money thier customers spend.

I think the option to upgrade to a 2.16 Dual Core processor will give consumers additional incentive to make the switch.

I think that we'll see the Dual Core 1.67 processors show up in the next Mac mini as Apple was probably demonstrating to Intel that demand exists in the market for its computers. For that reason, Apple was able to get better pricing from Intel on the faster chips and hence could upgrade the processors on the MacBooks.

It's a great way for Apple and Intel to begin the relationship.

[MacBoobsPro]

Do you know there's a new Dell Inspiron E1705 that comes with a Core Duo processor? I priced out the following E1705:

Intel Core Duo Processor T2600 2.16Ghz
17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display (1920 x 1200)
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
8x CD/DVD burner (dual layer writing capable)
3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year At-Home Service plus Nights and Weekend

Total cost: $3646 - $250 rebate = $3396

Higher resolution screen (albeit it's 17"), faster discrete graphics solution...sorry to break it to you, but the "Dull" is still cheaper.

Yeh but its Dull!

[SiliconAddict]

Yeh but its Dull!


to many that doesn't matter.

[agentkow]

Everyone check your order status. Mine, ordered 30 min after the keynote just went from Feb 15th, to feb 23. Stock 1.67.

I applaud the extra speed bump, but I sold off my ibook, and was counting on this macbook to ship on the 15th (like all of us).

Still Feb. 15 here, MBPRO 15/1.67, updated Feb. 14, 10:30 am.

[Svennig]

What's a post about Celeron Ms in January 2004 got to do with Intel never shipping a dual-core 1.67GHz processor, when said processor is all over the news and Intel's processor pages?

Apologies, I had a complete mental lapse and thought you were talking about something else :o

[syklee26]

ibook, macbook, macbook mini, ibookmac or whatever....it is not gonna have duo at 1.83 or 1.67 ghz.

it will probably have core solo at around 1.5ghz. Apple always does something to persuade buyers to buy higher end models, not lower end models.

$240 processor in a $999 laptop? I don't think so.

if Apple does indeed go with $240 processor in a $999 laptop, then they will seriously skimp on other stuff such as

no fire-wire (since all new ipods do not support it)
60gb hard drive max
pretty putrid video resolution (1280 x 768 widescreen at max)
512mb ram

I will bet that they do not go with core duo at the launch.....later they will put it in when the price drops to around $150.

[guffman]

I just called Apple and asked about upgrading my shipping. The Customer Service Rep transferred me over to the "solutions" dept.

I talked to the rep about upgrading my shipping from standard to 2-day. The following exchange occured:

Apple Sol. Rep: I don't know why you would want to do that. When a new product comes out they all get Fed-Exed from China on the same shipping type.
Me: Oh really? So there's no sense in me upgrading...
Apple Sol. Rep: That's correct. They will all ship overnight.
Me: So when is my order due to go out? My est. shipping date is still 2/15 with delievery by the 23rd, I haven't recieved any emails, and my card hasn't been charged.
Apple Sol. Rep:Your card will be charged when it ships tomorrow.
Me: It's shipping tomorrow? Are you sure?
Apple Sol. Rep: I can confirm that your's will ship tomorrow. It's been slated to go out on overnight air.
Me: So when will I recieve it?
Apple Sol. Rep: Thursday, or Friday at the latest.

So that's it. For clarity purposes, I originally ordered on the January 12th, and it was a 1.83 with a 7200 HD and 2GB RAM. This has been upgraded to 2.0, but I have not recieved any updates from Apple.

[bigandy]

s'great that they've done a free upgrade on it, and that the notebooks have finally passed 2ghz :D

i'm going to be ordering one in the summer, hopefully there'll be regular bumps in the speed like there is with peecees...

[Monaco10]

I couldn't resist a 1.83GHz MBP and ordered one as soon as it was announced.

I really wanted a speed boost from my 2 year old 1.5GHz 17inch PB - so was delighted to see the speed bumps today. I wanted to change my order to the 2.16GHz model - but I'm in the UK - and speaking to the Apple store - they don't yet know whether they can order the speed bumped model. As of 18:40 GMT the UK website has not been updated and is still showing the 1.67 and 1.83 models.

Kudos Apple for uping the speed on these babies - but alas once again Apple's second class customer service outside the US means a long wait for the fastest MBP for me!

[berkleeboy210]

"Now Shipping" my a**............ My'n just got bumped back to Feb. 23rd

Dammit

[Gasu E.]

Do you know there's a new Dell Inspiron E1705 that comes with a Core Duo processor? I priced out the following E1705:

Intel Core Duo Processor T2600 2.16Ghz
17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display (1920 x 1200)
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
8x CD/DVD burner (dual layer writing capable)
3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year At-Home Service plus Nights and Weekend

Total cost: $3646 - $250 rebate = $3396

Higher resolution screen (albeit it's 17"), faster discrete graphics solution...sorry to break it to you, but the "Dull" is still cheaper.

Help me out here:

- Does the Dell config include 3 years of anti-virus software?

- Say I'm a college student. Then I will need XP Pro. Is that included?

- Say I do a wee bit of video editing. Then I should have a firewire port. Is that included? How about a nice little easy to use video editing program?

I guess my final question is "cheaper" for whom?

[supergod]

I think in a way it would make sense to put a core duo in the next iBook revision rather than holding onto firewire ports. Apple needs to convince PC users that the system is not underpowered. So many computer users don't have any use for firewire, let alone even know what it is. For the most part, only semi-pro users will make use of the firewire ports, so why not leave that to the higher end systems? Firewire is the most important for using external HDs and burners and for video (and now audio) uses, things that someone buying a lower end laptop is less likely to have a need for. The iBook and mac mini will need the faster processors if they want to have any potential for gaming and for front row applications, but what would you need firewire for?

Of course they're still probably not going to do it.

[bpd115]

I just called Apple and asked about upgrading my shipping. The Customer Service Rep transferred me over to the "solutions" dept.

I talked to the rep about upgrading my shipping from standard to 2-day. The following exchange occured:

Apple Sol. Rep: I don't know why you would want to do that. When a new product comes out they all get Fed-Exed from China on the same shipping type.
Me: Oh really? So there's no sense in me upgrading...
Apple Sol. Rep: That's correct. They will all ship overnight.
Me: So when is my order due to go out? My est. shipping date is still 2/15 with delievery by the 23rd, I haven't recieved any emails, and my card hasn't been charged.
Apple Sol. Rep:Your card will be charged when it ships tomorrow.
Me: It's shipping tomorrow? Are you sure?
Apple Sol. Rep: I can confirm that your's will ship tomorrow. It's been slated to go out on overnight air.
Me: So when will I recieve it?
Apple Sol. Rep: Thursday, or Friday at the latest.

So that's it. For clarity purposes, I originally ordered on the January 12th, and it was a 1.83 with a 7200 HD and 2GB RAM. This has been upgraded to 2.0, but I have not recieved any updates from Apple.

I've often heard no matter what shipping you use, it's going to be 2 day no matter if you pay for it or not.

I'm off Thursday through Sunday....c'mon Apple give me a new toy!

[shrimpdesign]

Total cost: $3646 - $250 rebate = $3396

Higher resolution screen (albeit it's 17"), faster discrete graphics solution...sorry to break it to you, but the "Dull" is still cheaper.
Sure it's cheaper, but not $1000 cheaper like some would have you think. It's only ~200 cheaper. I think that can easily be justified with all the extras that MBP has.

[riversky]

According to Intel's roadmap these Duo Cores will be at 2.5GHZ by June and 2.8GHZ by October.

I would expect the next bump in speed to be at those times. Nice thing about MacTel is we can see the speed bumps coming.

Apple has a huge supplier who updates fast and must do it to keep things even with the WinTel world or if they fall behind it would be obvious and there would be no "we have a different architecture argument." Now you can look at the latest processor on a Dell and Apple will have to be at the same speed for marketing reasons as well as value reasons.

Wow isn't it great not to have PowerPC and wait a year for a little bump!!

[ThomasM]

Sure it's cheaper, but not $1000 cheaper like some would have you think. It's only ~200 cheaper. I think that can easily be justified with all the extras that MBP has.

i set up a inspiron 9400, 1,83 ghz core duo, 1gb ram, 100gb hdd, windows xp and office pack, it turned out to cost 17400 norwegian kr, similar macbook before the update costed 23000

[SiliconAddict]

"Now Shipping" my a**............ My'n just got bumped back to Feb. 23rd

Dammit


When and WHAT did you order?

[TyleRomeo]

Yah for $300. Ouch. 160mhz isn't worth $300 IMHO.

how about 320mhz, its dual remmeber.

[eme jota ce]

Just called Apple to check the shipping date on my order for a 1.67Ghz MacBook Pro (now a 1.83Ghz as confirmed by the rep).

Rep said that the 1.67GHz upgrades will delay shipping. I've had a Feb 15th shipping date since ordering. She couldn't give a new date.

She said that Apple won't know the shipping dates for the 1.67 models until tomorrow, 15th.

I can't wait to get it in my hands, but the speed upgrade seems worth a few days to a week delay. (I'll just keep playing with the Intel iMac they already sent.)

[SiliconAddict]

how about 320mhz, its dual remmeber.


Yes and I'm soon going to be getting a 4Ghz MacBook Pro in the mail. CPU's don't work like that.

[solstice]

I also have a 1.83 ordered 1/10 that just got pushed back to the 23rd. I'm hoping this is because it just hasn't been auto-upgraded to 2.0 yet, and they automatically bumped the ship dates on all the 1.67 -> 1.83 orders to the 23rd, and since mine is still listed as 1.83, it fell into that category. Wishful thinking. :)

[bpd115]

how about 320mhz, its dual remmeber.
Again, it's 320 mhz total but 160+160 does not equal a 320mhz performance bump.

Same way dual 2 Ghz does not = 4 Ghz.

[artifex]

It's Finally Powerboko Tuesd,,, er Doh- MacBook Pro Tuesday??

Doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely- but it'll do.
:D

But Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

For all those thinking of spending $270 (edu price) to upgrade to the 2.16: in 6 months or so, you'll be able to get a faster chip for the same price. And since the Intel iMacs have socketed chips, I'll bet so do the MBPs. It's just not worth it, especially with the same FSB.