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giganten
Feb 14, 2006, 12:43 PM
Hello!

I have a question, if i want to make posters or some type off card what program should i use?
I like to play in photoshop but is it any better program for this task.

Thank you!



i.Feature
Feb 14, 2006, 02:33 PM
Hello!

I have a question, if i want to make posters or some type off card what program should i use?
I like to play in photoshop but is it any better program for this task.

Thank you!

I'd say for any layout project you should use Quark or inDesign... They're made for those specific tasks...

Photoshops gets overused in my opinion... Photoshop is for creating and manipulating graphics/photos..not page layout...

Mitthrawnuruodo
Feb 14, 2006, 02:37 PM
If you don't have InDesign, and don't want to spend a fortune on it (or use the 30 day trial for this project), there is a free alternative: RagTime Solo (http://www.ragtime-online.com/).

mouchoir
Feb 17, 2006, 10:30 AM
I'd say for any layout project you should use Quark or inDesign... They're made for those specific tasks...

Photoshops gets overused in my opinion... Photoshop is for creating and manipulating graphics/photos..not page layout...

If it's only a one page document, like a poster, photoshop is fine. Use seperate layers for type, and keep them on top. Illustrator is also great, especially for type on a poster, as is indesign.

GrannySmith_G5
Feb 17, 2006, 06:07 PM
Quark is an ugly turd used by old school designers and still preferred by most printers. InDesign is a little nicer and more fun to use. A lot of know it all designers will say otherwise but to poop with them. Anyway, I'd just use illustrator for a single page poster. Use Photoshop for any photo work you need to do. Then throw it in illustrator and do your text, layout, graphics and printing from there. Yeahhh Boyyyyy

cgratti
Feb 17, 2006, 11:08 PM
Use Illustrator for posters. Nothing else matters....

Sdashiki
Feb 18, 2006, 09:10 AM
you have to think about your final output.

does the printer want Vector art or RGB composite?

Can they print photos? Or just solid colors?


Illustrator for text and solid colors and shapes (best with text and vectors)

and/or

Photoshop for photos. (PS sucks with text but is the only choice if you use photos)

Blue Velvet
Feb 18, 2006, 09:31 AM
Quark is an ugly turd used by old school designers and still preferred by most printers. InDesign is a little nicer and more fun to use. A lot of know it all designers will say otherwise but to poop with them.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

RideIt
Feb 20, 2006, 12:33 PM
Quark is an ugly turd used by old school designers and still preferred by most printers. InDesign is a little nicer and more fun to use. A lot of know it all designers will say otherwise but to poop with them. Anyway, I'd just use illustrator for a single page poster. Use Photoshop for any photo work you need to do. Then throw it in illustrator and do your text, layout, graphics and printing from there. Yeahhh Boyyyyy


There is nothing wrong with quark. Indesign is over rated in some aspect. When i can't get an indesign file to print right i export it out and drop into quark.

You can design your poster in anything you want.... Don't forget to add your bleeds if you do it in photoshop or Illustrator.

ijimk
Feb 20, 2006, 03:56 PM
you have to think about your final output.

does the printer want Vector art or RGB composite?

Can they print photos? Or just solid colors?


Illustrator for text and solid colors and shapes (best with text and vectors)

and/or

Photoshop for photos. (PS sucks with text but is the only choice if you use photos)
very nicely stated. i agree it depends on your design mainly...

GrannySmith_G5
Feb 20, 2006, 08:29 PM
You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
How so? Every old timer I know uses Quark for page layout. Have been for over a decade. A ton of printers still prefer getting quark files, this I can assure you of. As far as it being an ugly turd...it is, it's hideous. Indesign being "nicer and more fun" is simply an opinion. just kidding..
You are right I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about. What I meant to say is that quark is the industry standard program for page layout and is clearly the best most reliable software in the field for layout and prepress.

At work I pray everyday that every file I pull off our FTP is a Quark file. If the file happens to be an InDesign file, I'll export every page as an eps and import them into quark. I like it that much. Plus, naturally the rip for our Inca Spyder handles quark files so much better that it's a no brainer.

GrannySmith_G5
Feb 20, 2006, 08:42 PM
How much market share do you think Quark has over InDesign? 8 times?

sintaxi
Feb 21, 2006, 02:26 AM
Photoshop or Illustrator depending on your style.

InDesign and Quark for multi page documents.

Blue Velvet
Feb 21, 2006, 03:49 AM
How so? Every old timer I know uses Quark for page layout. Have been for over a decade. A ton of printers still prefer getting quark files, this I can assure you of. As far as it being an ugly turd...it is, it's hideous. Indesign being "nicer and more fun" is simply an opinion. just kidding..
You are right I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about. What I meant to say is that quark is the industry standard program for page layout and is clearly the best most reliable software in the field for layout and prepress.

At work I pray everyday that every file I pull off our FTP is a Quark file. If the file happens to be an InDesign file, I'll export every page as an eps and import them into quark. I like it that much. Plus, naturally the rip for our Inca Spyder handles quark files so much better that it's a no brainer.


Well, in that case I'll leave the decision on repro to you (somebody who by their own words and less than a year ago was: '...running samples in the blood lab at their local hospital all day long.')

...and I'll listen to other experienced print designers on the suitability for their workflow of any piece of particular software.

If you know anything of my posting history, I'm no great lover of Quark not have I been particularly impressed with certain aspects of InDesign but reasons for using a particular layout program often go far beyond features, particularly for larger studios. It's easier for a small setup to retrain and transition.

Personally speaking, we're giving Quark one last shot with Xpress 7 while simultaneously getting some external training with InDesign. Every time I consider what is involved, I pull out our production schedule -- for a dose of cold realism -- which has about 150 jobs on it and covers the next 3-4 months or so.

GrannySmith_G5
Feb 21, 2006, 06:11 AM
Ha, not that it matters, but I've been involved in the printing field for over 15 years. My dad owned a shop for 30 years which sold 2 years ago (when I left). I'm back in action now though in a very successful shop. For what it's worth I still work in the blood lab per diem. Nice sleuthing though. Well, off to Quark land I go.

Sammie
Feb 21, 2006, 07:21 AM
Look down any street at downtown and I am sure that all those banners are made in Illustrator. Small posters, the ,most may be in Quark followed closely by Indesign. The rest that are in lobby's, restaurant menus etc are made in a cheap computer somewhere in the administration room.

Just be sure that the poster is in cmyk before printing and it is rastorized. Original and rastorized are two different things. So "save as" as u will need your original.

RideIt
Feb 21, 2006, 07:34 AM
At work I pray everyday that every file I pull off our FTP is a Quark file. If the file happens to be an InDesign file, I'll export every page as an eps and import them into quark. I like it that much. Plus, naturally the rip for our Inca Spyder handles quark files so much better that it's a no brainer.


Your wasting your time, you don't have to do that with every job from Indesign. Why not export a PDF and use that to print???

Blue Velvet
Feb 21, 2006, 07:37 AM
Your wasting your time, you don't have to do that with every job from Indesign. Why not export a PDF and use that to print???

You obviously don't understand sarcasm when you see it.

kretzy
Feb 21, 2006, 07:46 AM
I personally use Illustrator. I've never been trained in it, but can find my way around well enough to produce decent looking posters/cards etc. If you're looking for a less "professional" option, then perhaps consider Pages - it has some very nice templates which are highly customizable, or you can just as easily work from scratch.

neocell
Feb 21, 2006, 08:03 AM
I usually end up making a couple of posters a year (research work), and I've always used illustrator for these. I have InDesign, though I've never used it. What's the difference between the two? Every time I use an Adobe product I'm sure I start losing years of my life, (4 hours wasted just to get a colour outline for a picture, then have the file crash :mad: ). So Not User Friendly, at least for this user. Is InDesign more intuitive than Illustrator?

RideIt
Feb 21, 2006, 08:14 AM
Indesign has tools from all 3 products, pagemaker, photoshop and Illustrator. Once you start to use it it will get better..

Blue Velvet
Feb 21, 2006, 08:15 AM
What's the difference between the two?

InDesign is specifically designed for page-layout and is a far more flexible and powerful tool than Illustrator for these purposes from its handling of type with style-sheets, master pages, and colour, supporting multi-page documents etc.

Images and illustrations are usually done in Photoshop and Illustrator and these components are linked to and laid-out in a page-layout app like QuarkXpress or InDesign.

Sure, you can do a poster entirely in Illustrator but most print designers would prefer to use InDesign or Xpress.

InDesign is the bowl where all the ingredients are mixed together.

neocell
Feb 21, 2006, 08:19 AM
Thanks RideIt and Blue Velvet. Next time I have to make one I'll fire up InDesign and give it a whirl.

RideIt
Feb 21, 2006, 08:21 AM
Most of the tools in indesign work great, the drop shadow tool does not always work, its best to do that in a native file like Illustrator.