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macdaddy121
Feb 14, 2006, 09:13 PM
Hey everyone, I just did a quick search on this and didn't pull up to much info so I checked Apple's website really quick and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for so I decided to ask for your opinions. Mainly because I'm really busy with finals and studying so thanks for the help in advance. I am studying architecture and I was wondering what were the qualifications to pay the $99 and get the discounts and extras for the developer student membership. I would obviously use my Mac for a lot of school related things but I didn't know if for the developer membership you actually had to be studying something related to computer science. If anyone could help I would appreciate it.


Zorn
Feb 14, 2006, 09:21 PM
No requirements at all, just have to be a student. I don't take anything related to programming, and I still got the ADC student membership, and the discount.
NeuronBasher
Feb 14, 2006, 09:23 PM
According to the ADC Student Program Page (http://developer.apple.com/students/), the only requirement is that you are enrolled part-time or full-time at a college or university. That's the only requirement they list.
Matt Phoenix
Feb 14, 2006, 09:24 PM
How much of a discount are we talking about?
NeuronBasher
Feb 14, 2006, 09:25 PM
How much of a discount are we talking about?

A 20% one-time discount. Translates to in excess of $500 on a high end MacBook Pro.
turtlebud
Feb 14, 2006, 09:28 PM
A 20% one-time discount. Translates to in excess of $500 on a high end MacBook Pro.

Depends on the system that you're buying. 20% discount applies to macbook pro & powermac dual cores. I think the imacs/ibooks/displays are 10%.
Zorn
Feb 14, 2006, 09:31 PM
Depends on the system that you're buying. 20% discount applies to macbook pro & powermac dual cores. I think the imacs/ibooks/displays are 10%.

Ya its only worth it on Pro machines, otherwise when considering the $99 cost of the membership its not worth it. I got my 2.0Ghz/256 Macbook Pro for $2079 with the 7200RPM drive added. That's less than the Education store price even with the $99 factored in.

Plus, with that membership you can get Leopard for free when it comes out =) The FAQ says that Student members aren't supposed to get OS's but the Tiger DVD is posted on the site for download.
powerbook911
Feb 14, 2006, 09:36 PM
What about resale of the machines?

I never know, when I might be upgrading. Could you keep a machine only say 3-4 months under ADC and be able to sell it?
Zorn
Feb 14, 2006, 10:06 PM
What about resale of the machines?

I never know, when I might be upgrading. Could you keep a machine only say 3-4 months under ADC and be able to sell it?

I have no idea what the technically legal answer to this is, I would assume the terms say "not for resale", but there's no realistic reason you couldn't sell the machine. Apple doesn't even keep track of laptops their owners report as stolen, I don't see any way they would know you sold your ADC purchase or not.
powerbook911
Feb 14, 2006, 10:16 PM
I have no idea what the technically legal answer to this is, I would assume the terms say "not for resale", but there's no realistic reason you couldn't sell the machine. Apple doesn't even keep track of laptops their owners report as stolen, I don't see any way they would know you sold your ADC purchase or not.

Well, if the second owner tried to claim warranty.

Apple told me years ago that on the student purchases there is no problem when selling whenever you wish. I just wasn't sure about ADC. I think it's probably ok, particularly if you're losing money by selling (not making profit).
turtlebud
Feb 14, 2006, 10:18 PM
What about resale of the machines?

I never know, when I might be upgrading. Could you keep a machine only say 3-4 months under ADC and be able to sell it?

Terms & Conditions of the Hardware Purchase Program say that you have to keep it for a year before you sell it. Of course, it's very unlikely that they enforce that.

6. You may not resell or otherwise transfer any items purchased for a period of at least one year from
the date of shipment. You may use products that you order under the ADC Hardware Purchase
Program only for the purpose of developing software and/or hardware products that will be sold for
use with Apple products.
turtlebud
Feb 14, 2006, 10:19 PM
Ya its only worth it on Pro machines, otherwise when considering the $99 cost of the membership its not worth it. I got my 2.0Ghz/256 Macbook Pro for $2079 with the 7200RPM drive added. That's less than the Education store price even with the $99 factored in.

Plus, with that membership you can get Leopard for free when it comes out =) The FAQ says that Student members aren't supposed to get OS's but the Tiger DVD is posted on the site for download.

Yeah, the fact that you get at least 2 releases of the current OS (I got 3 for Tiger, if you factor in the upgrade DVD) then it's a pretty good deal.
Jovian9
Feb 14, 2006, 10:36 PM
What about resale of the machines?

I never know, when I might be upgrading. Could you keep a machine only say 3-4 months under ADC and be able to sell it?

Our ADC Student membership ended last June. We were told we could not sell the hardware for one year after the purchase date.

It was definitely worth it. We saved $150 off of the original iMac G5 (student savings were $100 I believe). We received 3 copies of Panther, 1 upgrade copy of Tiger, and 1 full copy of Tiger.....plus a free t-shirt:)
Glenn Wolsey
Feb 14, 2006, 11:32 PM
This might well be worth it to join before I get my next machine. Would this be available in New Zealand?
macdaddy121
Feb 15, 2006, 02:25 AM
Wow. I just got in from a late night of studying and I appreciate all of the info. Seems like the right thing to do before I buy the Macbook Pro. Is it a one time discount (for life) or once a year (everytime you pay the $99). Again thanks for all of the help. These finals are killing me and I just don't have much time to research it all right now.
Dr. J
Feb 15, 2006, 02:28 AM
I graduate in april. If I were to sign up for this program, could I use the discount through out the year? I wonder if it would expire when I am no longer a student.
kylos
Feb 15, 2006, 02:41 AM
It depends on how much you value your word. The ADC student membership and accompanying hardware discount specifically state in the Terms and Conditions that any machine you purchase with the discount must be used for development. Also, you can't sell your machine for a year. Now this is all on the honor system, so it really depends on whether you plan on keeping your word when you click the "I accept" button.

Also, for a student account, it is a one-time discount. I'm actually a CS and use my mac for programming projects, so I've been waiting until the right time to spend the $99 to get 20% off. But if I had considered that I get the os discs free, I probably would have paid the annual $99 more often since I seem to keep buying the os upgrades even though I tell myself that I won't do it this time :). They send you a lot of useful info, that with an os upgrade would well be worth the $99.
Dr. J
Feb 15, 2006, 02:46 AM
I doubt I would ever use the computer for development. I am not going to sign up for the program. Thanks for the information.
Nermal
Feb 15, 2006, 02:56 AM
This might well be worth it to join before I get my next machine. Would this be available in New Zealand?

Yes, it is. It gives you 10 % off "i" systems and 15 % off "Pro" systems.
Jovian9
Feb 15, 2006, 09:08 AM
I graduate in april. If I were to sign up for this program, could I use the discount through out the year? I wonder if it would expire when I am no longer a student.

Yes. My wife graduated 5 months before we purchased the iMac G5. The ADC discount is good for one year (from signing up) regardless of whether you graduate or drop out. As long as you are a student when you sign up.
Glenn Wolsey
Feb 16, 2006, 09:00 PM
Yes, it is. It gives you 10 % off "i" systems and 15 % off "Pro" systems.

Are you sure this is available in New Zealand? Apple dont ship computers bought from the Apple US store internationally and I cant find any developer info on the Apple NZ site.

This would save me about $800 NZD on my next machine, huge savings.
Nermal
Feb 16, 2006, 10:25 PM
Are you sure this is available in New Zealand?

I didn't say "yes" just to mislead you, you know :rolleyes:

It works. It's how I got my G4. Happy?
Glenn Wolsey
Feb 16, 2006, 10:26 PM
I didn't say "yes" just to mislead you, you know :rolleyes:

It works. It's how I got my G4. Happy?

Awesome. So you just order it from the US developer store then? :)
Nermal
Feb 16, 2006, 10:31 PM
No, you order from Renaissance, the details are on the ADC site somewhere.

Edit: That somewhere is here (http://developer.apple.com/membership/ap.html).

To use your ADC hardware discount for products shipped to New Zealand, please send an email to Roger Thomas at Renaissance Ltd, Apple Computer Division.
asherman13
Feb 16, 2006, 10:43 PM
Regarding the whole "keeping your word" issue of development (not resale):

When I sign up for it, (gotta be in college, they even ask for a student ID # :mad: ) I'm going to say that I work with "HTML/Internet" (I think that's the category) development, and I'm then either going to get .mac or a free website and tinker with it every once and a while, so as to keep my word and develop HTML stuff.

Hey, it's not a loophole, it's the truth.

EDIT That would be "Internet/Web"