Rumor: Steve Jobs and Intel? [Archive]

Sun Baked

Jan 20, 2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by barfoo
It's definitely confirmed!!

Just go to www.intel.com and look! There's a link there called "Jobs at Intel"! That must mean that Apple is going to license OS X on Intel! Marklar here we come!!!

Note: Duh. Right. And the Jets are going to win the superbowl ....

~barfoo The correct link is

http://www.intel.com/jobs/index.htm?iid=Homepage+IntelLinks_jobs&

They want YOU, to work for them. ;)

Durandal7

Jan 20, 2003, 08:27 PM

Assuming this is real then it will be about 6 before anything is known. If Jobs is speaking then it will probably won't be until after he's finished + 10 minutes before anyone gets wind of it.

Of course there is a 90% chance this is Looprumors' iWalk.

iSmell

Jan 20, 2003, 08:33 PM

Funny, this thread isn't showing up on the front page anymore. Not news worthy anymore, Arn?

Only 90% chance? I'd say 99.9998%. But hey, you never know...

The logo looks fake, but if you squint, it does kind of look like a studio display on the table there.

Just maybe...

Sun Baked

Jan 20, 2003, 08:36 PM

Just because the Apple Logo was placed OVER the lights on the wall, and the spots don't show on top of the logo - doesn't mean it's real.

klapauzius

Jan 20, 2003, 08:37 PM

If the picture is fake, it is a thorough one. The High-Res JPG contains EXIF information -- the image was taken with a CoolPix 990, aperture, ISO setting are all plausible.

There's also a second Apple Logo on the Monitor just below the person with the red hair standing on stage. Behind the Logo is the gray gradient that's usually used in Apple presentations.

I say it's not a fake.

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 08:38 PM

Um... I think that is BS...

i think we would of heard something by now, eh?

I mean and Apple-Intel doesn't sound right, I like AMD-Apple.

Fighting against Microsoft and with its biggest chip maker don't seem right.
But AMD is a smaller company....

Whatever, I still would like to see an x86 compaible Mac Os X, but whatever.

ELYXR

Jan 20, 2003, 08:39 PM

Why does Apple get center stage and not Intel? Intel is the big Gorilla... and it's the "Intel Sales & Marketing conference". :rolleyes: I dunno man...

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by iSmell
Funny, this thread isn't showing up on the front page anymore. Not news worthy anymore, Arn?

Kinda wanted to see people's take on it... which I have at this point...

arn

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 08:41 PM

Here's a photo of the image in case it gets taken offline

cosmicsoftceo

Jan 20, 2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by klapauzius
If the picture is fake, it is a thorough one. The High-Res JPG contains EXIF information -- the image was taken with a CoolPix 990, aperture, ISO setting are all plausible.

There's also a second Apple Logo on the Monitor just below the person with the red hair standing on stage. Behind the Logo is the gray gradient that's usually used in Apple presentations.

I say it's not a fake.

I don't have the skill to check the ISO settings, but I noticed the second Apple logo too. It's a pretty darn good fake if it isn't real.

Now as for what Apple would be thinking, going with Intel, that's another story... *cough*AMD!!*cough*

We'll see, I guess. Anyone care to update us?

nighthawk

Jan 20, 2003, 08:50 PM

a thought...

it doesn't have to be a permanant logo... it is about the same size and scale as the other video displays. Maybe it is another video screen with a unique shape cutout. That way whichever company is front and center gets their logo on the big screen too.

AHDuke99

Jan 20, 2003, 08:50 PM

O My gosh, He's going to release Marklar :-/

000111one111000

Jan 20, 2003, 08:51 PM

If you notice on top of the two "test pattern" screens and the screen with the Apple logo, it appears that there are strings holding the screens up, which would explain the blue lights being behing the screen.

You'd think we would have heard at least SOMETHING by now though.

enoch

8thDegreeSavage

Jan 20, 2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by arn
Here's a photo of the image in case it gets taken offline

Is it just me or in the photo dont the two images(i guess they are slide type images) on either side of the Apple logo slide image in the center...well the side images...the overlap over the pilers...isnt that kind of odd...then again it could just be me.

MacAztec

Jan 20, 2003, 08:54 PM

Now on LoopRumors:

In a follow-up email:

I have verbal confirmation that it's Jobs speaking here today via satellite.

We'll keep you posted...

cosmicsoftceo

Jan 20, 2003, 08:55 PM

One rather funny thing though--there doesn't appear to be such a conference. Search for Intel Sales & Marketing Conference and Google and Intel.com turns up nothing.

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by cosmicsoftceo
One rather funny thing though--there doesn't appear to be such a conference. Search for Intel Sales & Marketing Conference and Google and Intel.com turns up nothing.

Me too, I was searching, nada.

unless 'Marketing' Likes keeping secret I saw BS, but it is a decent fake.

000111one111000

Jan 20, 2003, 09:00 PM

Intel is indeed having a conference in Vegas. It runs till the 23rd.

It's at the MGM Grand Hotel.

Here's a link to confirm.

Las Vegas Conference List (http://www.lasvegastourism.com/conventions_1.htm)

UnixMac

Jan 20, 2003, 09:00 PM

This is a bunch of BS... common, Apple would also have a press release if this were real!

HasanDaddy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:01 PM

That Apple logo on the stage....

it looks a lot like a picture taken of the back of a Titanium laptop, and photoshopped to the Intell stage

the Flaky Titanium paint looks similar to my Ti

also, the thin black circle around the Apple logo looks a bit cartoonish

I hope its real - but I'm voting that its fake

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by 000111one111000
Intel is indeed having a conference in Vegas. It runs till the 23rd.

It's at the MGM Grand Hotel.

Here's a link to confirm.

Las Vegas Conference List (http://www.lasvegastourism.com/conventions_1.htm)

good find.

arn

HasanDaddy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:03 PM

One last thing-

the light reflection ovals on the stage (they're white and purple in color) are not reflecting off of the Apple logo......and that's odd if its real

UnixMac

Jan 20, 2003, 09:04 PM

I have to admit though...

From a marketing standpoint and a strategic business standpoint...

OS X on Intel would be the beginning of the end of Microsoft (or atleast their dominance).

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 09:06 PM

6:06 Pacific, no news about anything yet.

000111one111000

Jan 20, 2003, 09:09 PM

In case you missed my post on the last page, it appears that the test pattern screen and Apple logo screen have strings holding them up, which would explain the lights being behind the screens, not reflecting off, etc.

enoch

HasanDaddy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:18 PM

enoch

I'm not an idiot - I obviously saw the strings holding the other two screens

there are no strings holding the Apple logo because its built into the wall, so therefore there ought to be reflections upon it

HasanDaddy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:20 PM

but it doesn't matter anyways -

that Apple logo is obviously a picture off a Titanium laptop

Nipsy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
enoch

I'm not an idiot - I obviously saw the strings holding the other two screens

there are no strings holding the Apple logo because its built into the wall, so therefore there ought to be reflections upon it

When announcing you are not an idiot, it helps to be correct.

There are cables supporting the 'screen' featuring the Apple logo, just as clear as day:
http://www.looprumors.com/DSCN0769.jpg

Chaszmyr

Jan 20, 2003, 09:21 PM

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
but it doesn't matter anyways -

that Apple logo is obviously a picture off a Titanium laptop

just like all the Apple logos in jobs' keynotes, right? just putting my 2 cents cause i really don't think this is fake

but i really would like an update from looprumors or the guy that sent the photo to looprumors.. geez, if only everything was broadcasted on apple's website we wouldn't be in the dark like this...

tick, tick, tick.........

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:24 PM

I can see with my own two eyes that the Apple logo was put on that picture with Photoshop. Look at the edge of the circle, you can see the pixels well. Look anywhere else in the picture, you can't.

Somebody's having a good laugh at LoopRumors's expense right now.

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 09:26 PM

Chaszmyr

Jan 20, 2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster
I can see with my own two eyes that the Apple logo was put on that picture with Photoshop. Look at the edge of the circle, you can see the pixels well. Look anywhere else in the picture, you can't.

Somebody's having a good laugh at LoopRumors's expense right now.

I dont know if the story is real or not, but if the picture is a fake the people who made it did a VERY good job of making it look convincing.

You can see the pixels on the other hanging things, it was just a bad camera.

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 09:27 PM

From past fake rumors/photoshopped images people have usually gone for something abit more awesome like a PDA or new iMac model. I don't think anyone would have bothered faking this.

Yes there are strings on the main Apple logo. I cannot really find any faults with this picture (though not looked fully yet)

Its got me curious. How come we haven't heard anything?

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster
I can see with my own two eyes that the Apple logo was put on that picture with Photoshop. Look at the edge of the circle, you can see the pixels well. Look anywhere else in the picture, you can't.

Somebody's having a good laugh at LoopRumors's expense right now.

perhaps...

but if you put up a legitamite photo, I'd say about 50% of people will say it's fake.

examples include: the Cube photos and Quicksilver Photos. People went on and on how they were "clearly" faked. People going on how they worked in photoshop for years and years and how it should be obvious to a blind man that those were photoshoped.... heh...

anyhow, I think fake mostly due to circumstances.

arn

Kid Red

Jan 20, 2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
One last thing-

the light reflection ovals on the stage (they're white and purple in color) are not reflecting off of the Apple logo......and that's odd if its real

because they are behind the screen.

I second the it's real poinion. Might be for airport or something.

Kid Red

Jan 20, 2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster
I can see with my own two eyes that the Apple logo was put on that picture with Photoshop. Look at the edge of the circle, you can see the pixels well. Look anywhere else in the picture, you can't.

Somebody's having a good laugh at LoopRumors's expense right now.

Yea, I'd like to see you do all those pixels in photoshop around that entire edge perfectly blending each pixel into the background color to maintain a perfect circle. Please, those pixels make it more real.

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by arn

perhaps...

but if you put up a legitamite photo, I'd say about 50% of people will say it's fake.

examples include: the Cube photos and Quicksilver Photos. People went on and on how they were "clearly" faked. People going on how they worked in photoshop for years and years and how it should be obvious to a blind man that those were photoshoped.... heh...

anyhow, I think fake mostly due to circumstances.

arn

You have a good point there, I'm against an Apple-Intel relationship, so I'm probably more likely to call it a fake.

Also, has anyone noticed that this is a Marketing event. I can't believe there would be any ground breaking announcements at a marketing event.

Nipsy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:33 PM

The picture may be 100% real, and still meaningless.

Imagine your an av guy setting up an Intel show, and you wanna stir up all the Mac rumor mongers, just project the logo, snap a pic, and sit back and watch the fracas.

This is the kind of prank av geeks love.

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Kid Red
Might be for airport or something.

I thought Intel was behind 802.11a, not 802.11g which Apple is behind now.

Seems like that would be a conflict of intrest.

fwy

Jan 20, 2003, 09:37 PM

check out the preview monitor @ the center control desk - apple logo there as well

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 09:38 PM

1% convinced this is anything interesting.

michaelyoung

Jan 20, 2003, 09:40 PM

I cant get into photoshop right now..but somebody PLEASE try the following:

measure the circle in the middle of the test pattern on the LCD and compare it to the "apple" circle. If they are exactly the same size i say FAKE. The circle was obviously a convenient grab for a PS job.

ALSO....HELLO! Why would they announce this at a INTEL event...one week after MacWorld..seems like it would be big enough news to make MWSF..

utilizer

Jan 20, 2003, 09:40 PM

This goes against logic -- Apple is in no strategic position to be switching to Intel chips; this would be the equivalent of committing suicide. The IBM 970 is just around the corner and no one should be jumping to any conclusions about this particular engagement. I guarantee you that Jobs is NOT speaking at this gathering.

Perhaps there is something else to do with an Apple tablet-like device or the next iPod, but as far as computers go, the IBM 970 is firmly planted in the Apple camp.

I do know this from a friend in Japan:
Sony is preparing to release the next PlayStation console, Play Station III. The thing is is that they have no idea which processor to place in the machine. The IBM 970 is at the forefront and may be the reason why it was developed in the first place. Velocity Engine technology was placed in it at the microprocessor forum at the last minute, just in case they need a backup plan (IBM that is), i.e., for Apple to buy the chip. Apple has been talking with AMD for a long time now (about two years since the dissolution of the G5 team at Motorola.)

It's just a matter of a strategic decision right now. Does Apple want to rely on its sales of notebooks for one year (the IBM 970 plan) or do they want to place AMD Hammer chips in their PowerMac line at this year's MWNY expo. It's all a matter of economics. :D

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by TMA

1% convinced this is anything interesting.

:D Good point, although I still contend it's fake to begin with.

ezkimo

Jan 20, 2003, 09:41 PM

Is it just me or does the apple look off center (even from the perspective the photographer is at)...I would think, if it is indeed off center that apple would have done a better job..I would love for this to be real but I am having a hard time justifying why it would be there:( ...

-Zach

UnixMac

Jan 20, 2003, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster

You have a good point there, I'm against an Apple-Intel relationship, so I'm probably more likely to call it a fake.

Also, has anyone noticed that this is a Marketing event. I can't believe there would be any ground breaking announcements at a marketing event.

An Apple Intel joint venture on OS X would mean a much cheaper Mac, as more and more people will own one or a clone!

THIS IS GOOD if it's real!

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by utilizer

It's just a matter of a strategic decision right now. Does Apple want to rely on its sales of notebooks for one year (the IBM 970 plan) or do they want to place AMD Hammer chips in their PowerMac line at this year's MWNY expo. It's all a matter of economics.

I think Steve's Keynote answered your question there. Buy a laptop, or wait ten months.

Also, Apple pulled out of MWNY.

MacAztec

Jan 20, 2003, 09:45 PM

Is this an apple laptop? Its near the bottom right corner on the full size picture....

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:46 PM

I don't think so.

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster

Also, Apple pulled out of MWNY.

I don't think there's been a final call on that yet.

arn

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 09:48 PM

what the hell is going on???? who is steve jobs?

FelixDerKater

Jan 20, 2003, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by michaelyoung
I cant get into photoshop right now..but somebody PLEASE try the following:

measure the circle in the middle of the test pattern on the LCD and compare it to the "apple" circle. If they are exactly the same size i say FAKE. The circle was obviously a convenient grab for a PS job.

ALSO....HELLO! Why would they announce this at a INTEL event...one week after MacWorld..seems like it would be big enough news to make MWSF..

I selected the circle and dragged it over the large circle in the color test pattern. Perfect fit... Seems a bit more like a fake... Who knows, though.

000111one111000

Jan 20, 2003, 09:49 PM

If I remember correctly, it wasn't Intel that Apple used for the 802.11a chips and stuff, it was Lucent. The new AirPort Extreme chips may be made by Intel.

If this is real, I certainly don't think it's anything like switching to Intel, etc. Probably something about AirPort or something, with Steve just saying that "Intel provided the best chips for AirPort Extreme" or something like that.

enoch

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah

what the hell is going on???? who is steve jobs?

I'm going to assume that's a joke, and move on.

I though Apple really wanted out of MWNY03, but I could be wrong.

arnette

Jan 20, 2003, 09:50 PM

I laugh a hearty laugh at the excitement of all this. "Goes against logic.." Whatever. You don't know. Just wait and see.

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 09:51 PM

Suprised nobodys in the MR aim chat room talking about it. Really I don't think this is a big deal, if it was we'd know by now.

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by TMA

Really I don't think this is a big deal, if it was we'd know by now.

Bingo.

FelixDerKater

Jan 20, 2003, 09:52 PM

Photoshopped?

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by pyrotoaster

I'm going to assume that's a joke, and move on.

I though Apple really wanted out of MWNY03, but I could be wrong.

WOO HOO!! Hell yeah that was a joke!! i've been laughing ever since i posted it cause its SO DAMN FUNNY!!! if you didnt laugh at it, youre taking this WAY too seriously..

just wanted to get a few laughs out of all the people who are continually checking this thread.. wooooo hooooo!!! yeah!

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by utilizer
This goes against logic -- Apple is in no strategic position to be switching to Intel chips; this would be the equivalent of committing suicide. The IBM 970 is just around the corner and no one should be jumping to any conclusions about this particular engagement. I guarantee you that Jobs is NOT speaking at this gathering.

Perhaps there is something else to do with an Apple tablet-like device or the next iPod, but as far as computers go, the IBM 970 is firmly planted in the Apple camp.

I do know this from a friend in Japan:
Sony is preparing to release the next PlayStation console, Play Station III. The thing is is that they have no idea which processor to place in the machine. The IBM 970 is at the forefront and may be the reason why it was developed in the first place. Velocity Engine technology was placed in it at the microprocessor forum at the last minute, just in case they need a backup plan (IBM that is), i.e., for Apple to buy the chip. Apple has been talking with AMD for a long time now (about two years since the dissolution of the G5 team at Motorola.)

It's just a matter of a strategic decision right now. Does Apple want to rely on its sales of notebooks for one year (the IBM 970 plan) or do they want to place AMD Hammer chips in their PowerMac line at this year's MWNY expo. It's all a matter of economics. :D

Look the IBM 970 is not 'around the corner' it is more like down the hallway take a right and down the staires.
Look they are like pre-testing. Testing, Maybe.

they are no where near producing this chip inless you want to tell us something we DON'T know.

Bets are against this being real for many factors but again I'd like to see a AMD-Apple Annocment.

kiwi

Jan 20, 2003, 09:54 PM

Yes Intel (and the majority of corporations) is behind 802.11a and Apple is behind 802.11g = big conflict (at least for now, until a chip is ready for 802.11a/b/g etc). That alone makes any sort of Intel/Apple collaboration less likely. add to that the firewire vs USB 2 conflict. Apple did all the initial work for Intel, basically allowing Intel's USB to take off then Intel jumped on the USB market with USB 2 and so on..

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 09:56 PM

As previously stated, this is the fastest growing thread in recent history, 3386 views in two hours. That's more than any active thread on the general board.

Whoever did this, real or fake, sure did cause a lot of commotion.

Galahad

Jan 20, 2003, 09:56 PM

Look at the TV at the bottom, near the center-left. It's got a clear picture of the Apple in its lower left quadrent. If this is a fake, it's an exceedingly well done one.

pyrotoaster

Jan 20, 2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah

WOO HOO!! Hell yeah that was a joke!! i've been laughing ever since i posted it cause its SO DAMN FUNNY!!! if you didnt laugh at it, youre taking this WAY too seriously..

just wanted to get a few laughs out of all the people who are continually checking this thread.. wooooo hooooo!!! yeah!

I would have posted "He is Apple's CEO" if I had thought you were serious. :p

Anyway, I've got a question: "Why does 802.11g come after 802.11b?" I'm guessing it's the same reason 802.11a comes after 802.11b, but before 802.11g. :D

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by FelixDerKater
Photoshopped?

Good find, although the Apple banner could've been made to fit inside that, who knows?

Any news yet?

michaelyoung

Jan 20, 2003, 09:58 PM

it's a tibook in the cirlce...no doubt about it..apple uses BLACK and white at events and stores....

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by eyeluvmyimac
As previously stated, this is the fastest growing thread in recent history, 3386 views in two hours. That's more than any active thread on the general board.

Whoever did this, real or fake, sure did cause a lot of commotion.

Ahhh Run for the hills.

anyways.
Intel is all 802.11a.
Apple is in a whole different direction in that sense.

iJon

Jan 20, 2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by UnixMac
I have to admit though...

From a marketing standpoint and a strategic business standpoint...

OS X on Intel would be the beginning of the end of Microsoft (or atleast their dominance).
i'm gonna have to disagree with you. there is no way i would put mac os x on my windows machine. the reason i have a windows machine is because my mac os x machine cant fill all my needs. now if i could have dual boot system with windows and mac i would probably get rid of my macintosh because there would be no need for it. until all of my games, audigy drive, and video card and every other piece of hardware i own are available for mac, i will no longer have a windows machine and i dont see that happening very soon. unless apple wants to become a software comany i dont see them doing this anytime soon. guess we will have to wait and see.

iJon

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by michaelyoung
it's a tibook in the cirlce...no doubt about it..apple uses BLACK and white...

no no no... apple use a gray to black in the back round... the backround is too small to show that it has gradient... or something

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by iJon
audigy drive

speaking of that..... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18044)

Chaszmyr

Jan 20, 2003, 10:03 PM

I must say it did look like a real image, but its been 2 hours now and we havent heard anything...

shadowfax

Jan 20, 2003, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by FelixDerKater
Photoshopped?

that's a good observation, but couldn't it just be due to the fact that each screen has a standard size? if the test image's circle were not fullscreen, i would totally agree with you. as it is, i am still skeptical.

NeoPod

Jan 20, 2003, 10:04 PM

http://www.lasvegastourism.com/lasvegas_conventions.htm

http://www.lasvegastourism.com/conventions_1.htm

Why is there two sets of html's for Janurary 2003? One featuring Intel, one doesn't!

Any one else get a confirmation of this event actually happening right now other than this lasvegas website?

Be gentle, first post and it's my birthday too!

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 10:05 PM

1) the "strings" holding the apple logo and test boards up are actually lines in the wall i believe, just breaks in the wall and nothing more.

2) the apple logo and test boards are (as someone else suggested) at an incorrect perspective and placed at an appropriate 2d angle but not 3d as the real world is. in other words, if this picture was real and we were standing in front of this display, the logos and boards would have to be painted on or something and not actually in front of the wall

3) the transition from black/gray to white in the background of each of the supposedly hung boards appears to be the exact same which means they were being consistant or the PS'er saw it as a perfect opp.

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah

no no no... apple use a gray to black in the back round... the backround is too small to show that it has gradient... or something

also... the backround of the apple logo, is the exact same color as the backround of the two test screens... check out the link to the picture on the VERY FIRST POST of this thread:p

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by NeoPod
Be gentle, first post and it's my birthday too!

Happy birthday!http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/grinning.gifhttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/grinning.gif

And welcome to Macrumors!http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/that5c27scool.gif

Chaszmyr

Jan 20, 2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by eyeluvmyimac
1) the "strings" holding the apple logo and test boards up are actually lines in the wall i believe, just breaks in the wall and nothing more.

They dont continue below the Apple logo though

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Chaszmyr

They dont continue below the Apple logo though

beneath the left test screen they do, but underneath the apple logo i dont see them, however this could be from the lighting

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 10:11 PM

Whatever someone mailbomb looprumors and force him to tell the truth.

I hate these wild rumors spun out of control looking for every flaw.

bah!

UnixMac

Jan 20, 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by MrMacman

Look the IBM 970 is not 'around the corner' it is more like down the hallway take a right and down the staires.
Look they are like pre-testing. Testing, Maybe.

Man, that was funny.... literally had me on the floor! :p

Will Jones

Jan 20, 2003, 10:14 PM

Notice that you can clearly see the some of the "strings" above the wall. Others... not so easy to see, but they may be there :)

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 10:16 PM

Ok...

For now, we're going to write this off as "fake" until any other supporting evidence comes up. ie. press release, news article etc....

I de-linked this off the main sites as not to encourage fakes.

... enjoy. :)

arn

reedm007

Jan 20, 2003, 10:17 PM

Anyone else this the monitor on stage looks vaguely like a cinema display? ;)

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Will Jones
Notice that you can clearly see the some of the "strings" above the wall. Others... not so easy to see, but they may be there :)

you have a point

on a new note, i tried looking through the viewfinders on the two cameras to distinguish real from fake, but could not, has anyone else tried this?

this is 99.999% fake now (if it wasnt before) we would have heard SOMETHING even if it were just a little announcement. But it's kinda fun (but not really) to see how good or bad this PS'er may have been.

Will Jones

Jan 20, 2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by arn
Ok...

For now, we're going to write this off as "fake" until any other supporting evidence comes up. ie. press release, news article etc....

I de-linked this off the main sites as not to encourage fakes.

... enjoy. :)

arn

Exactly what I would have done. :)

Chaszmyr

Jan 20, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by reedm007
Anyone else this the monitor on stage looks vaguely like a cinema display? ;)

Indeed it does... And this photo still looks REALLY real to me, but its been so long now i have to say I am thinking its a fake :-(

tych0

Jan 20, 2003, 10:24 PM

hey all!
I dunno what you guys think, but maybe it has something to do with Bluetooth?
People got excited when Apple decided to include USB w/ its first iMac... it jump-started the technology. Now they decide to build in BT to its powerbooks...

-tych0

szark

Jan 20, 2003, 10:27 PM

Well, I'm not a Photoshop expert, but this corner of the Apple logo circle looks mighty suspicious to me:

alex_ant

Jan 20, 2003, 10:28 PM

Reasons this photo is likely a fake:

- The big Apple logo is off-center in the circle. It's high and to the right. It's also not in the correct perspective. The camera is tilted slightly counterclockwise, and is not looking at the logo directly, yet the Apple logo is dead on, as if it had been copy-pasted and the doctorer of this photo forgot to rotate and skew it.

- If this is an Intel conference, why does the Apple logo take center stage and why is the Intel logo small and less noticeable?

- What the hell does Apple have to do with Intel with the socks-rocking 970 less than a year away?!?

- History has shown that when big unwanted information releases like this are made, Apple Legal is on them like flies on rotten crap, and they get pulled immediately. This is still online.

- Why did the anonymous e-mailer reveal himself? That's suicide. No sane person would do that.

MrMacMan

Jan 20, 2003, 10:28 PM

So anyone want to request more info from this guy?

Start sending e-mails requesting (angrily) an update.

IMO.

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 10:29 PM

Steve Jobs face live via satellite on the big round display! That would freak me out!

Rajj

Jan 20, 2003, 10:39 PM

It is definitely fake, if you look closely, you can see that the circle is pixilated and smudged!!!

Besides, I want AMD and Apple not Intel!! ;) :p

technocoy

Jan 20, 2003, 10:39 PM

there is a shadow on the non-lit valence behind the circle one on the wall... If something's fake it's the images themselves. It's very good but i call fake... i work for a trade show company and the screens that are being projected onto are called lumin-oz, what's bothering me is that they are normaly projected onto from the back, and the viewer sees it through the front, so that there is no bleed of the image onto the wall behind it, and it is tough to have such perfect edges on the screens... the hangings are real, the images, i'm not so sure, but it is possible... does look like there is some fade toward the edge of the screen... I'm a graphics guys who works with AV guys and they are not usually this good with Photoshop!!

I could go either way... fake

shadowfax

Jan 20, 2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by xrhajj
It is definitely fake, if you look closely, you can see that the circle is pixilated and smudged!!!

Besides, I want AMD and Apple not Intel!! ;) :p

yeah, that edge looked almost methodical, but i thought it might be the way the camera inputs the data into its jpg algorithm. i really don't know though.

GeeYouEye

Jan 20, 2003, 10:53 PM

I was originally going to say real, but upon further examination, I'm going towards fake. Zooming in on the Apple Logo, or rather, both logos, there seems to be a bit of distortion, like a quickly applied smudge-type tool around the edges of both. Further proof - the distortion is uneven. The Apple logos are the only instance where a white object, against any background seem to have a distortion around them.

Choppaface

Jan 20, 2003, 10:53 PM

jpeg artifacts != proof of fakeness

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 10:55 PM

It's probably best not to nit pick about the photo. As people said earlier, ones that have been called fake before turned out to be genuine. However I can't help myself... ;)

I own a digital camera and I often find artifacts around edges (down to the jpeg compression) and ghosting/fuzzyness around edges.

The 3 hanging boards do look in the right perspective. They are hanging straight (compare them to the pillars) Any slight un-eveness could be caused by the strings not being adjusted correctly on either side. Also cameras (especially cheap and digital ones) can distort perspective slightly.

Looking at the large image, the strings do not appear to continue down underneath the left board. It looks like underneath is a shadow. The reason it doesn't match the shadow above the board is unknown, but is consitant because the shadows to the right of the pillar do not run parrallel either (sorry if that doesn't compute easily its pretty late here heh)

The only real 'evidence' I can see suggesting this is a fake is the fact that the circle containing the Apple logo matches the circle in the left test card. But this could easily be co-incidence or designed to match. The gradiant on the apple board looks to me to be at a different angle to the gradiant on the test board and again fits the perspective well.

If this is genuine it doesn't mean that Marklar is coming or Apple will start using Pentium CPU's, it just means someone from Apple will likely have been talking (we're lead to believe Steve Jobs) what about - we don't know.

If its fake then congratulations to the artist. It's been fun :)

synthetickittie

Jan 20, 2003, 10:57 PM

looprumors.com haven taken off the e-mail, pic, and everything else to with this from thier site... at least I dont see it anymore. they must of relized some how it was a fake

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 10:58 PM

Guess they're not to sure now either

iJon

Jan 20, 2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by vniow

speaking of that..... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18044)
wow, thanks man, now lets get some good ports of my favorite games with eax technology and this will be a big step up in the apple world. thanks for the news. now apple will have to include more drive bays unless they are just coding strictly for the soundcard. personally i like having the remote control for my pc.

iJon

vniow

Jan 20, 2003, 11:03 PM

Well since LoopRumors pulled it, consider this thread officially dead then.

Blah.

MacQuest

Jan 20, 2003, 11:09 PM

I concurr, sirs.

No references left on Looprumors whatsoever.

New site trying to break a major headline first, I guess.

Just trying to gain the respect that Arn and Macrumors recieved for being the first and only site to confirm, at least with almost certainty, the introduction of 12" & 17" PowerBooks.:)

BTW, a belated "Good Call" on that one Arn as I was not yet a registered Macrumors member.

Kwyjibo

Jan 20, 2003, 11:11 PM

an hour ago we were talking about the power of apple legal.....looprumors takes down this content...not that i want to support the fact that i think its fake but perhaps this is a sign that its legit because it was taken down so quickly? anyone with me

dricci

Jan 20, 2003, 11:17 PM

Here's the real photo. Steve Jobs is there to introduce the iWalk featuring Intel's latest chips with military-grade DRM and a special OS X Lite version that also incorporates Microsoft's "Phone Home" software to automatically search for and bill you for media on your computer. Dell is also going to sell it through their online store and it will integrate with the future Bluetooth video iPod. Bill Gates and Michael Dell were there to congratulate Apple on their wise decisions.

MacQuest

Jan 20, 2003, 11:17 PM

Interesting Kwyjibo-

It's the ol' Glass Half Full, Half Empty" perspective.

Optimist View-
There could be something to this because of possible Apple Legal intervention...

Pessimist View-
Those dirty rotten bastards got fooled and now are trying to cover their tracks...

Oh well, we'll know something either way in awhile, if not tomorrow.

ibjoshua

Jan 20, 2003, 11:17 PM

If I were LoopRumors I would have done as arn does and update with a comment explaining that they had been hoaxed. Just dropping it doesn't really make sense.

i_b_joshua

MacQuest

Jan 20, 2003, 11:20 PM

I will be the FIRST person to point out that dricci's photo is a ....ummm...now that I look at it a little closer...hmmm....i'll get back to you

iJon

Jan 20, 2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by dricci
Here's the real photo. Steve Jobs is there to introduce the iWalk featuring Intel's latest chips with military-grade DRM and a special OS X Lite version that also incorporates Microsoft's "Phone Home" software to automatically search for and bill you for media on your computer. Dell is also going to sell it through their online store and it will integrate with the future Bluetooth video iPod. Bill Gates and Michael Dell were there to congratulate Apple on their wise decisions.
i dont know about this one, if you guys look really closely it appears michael dell is acutally a cardboard cutout of some sort, now this really getting exciting. i like bill's necklace.

iJon

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 11:23 PM

lol, good comic relief dricci, macquest, and iJon. Nice picture, got a good laugh out of it. hehe

About apple legal pulling the story. No. Period. End of story. I'm not even gonna go into the reasons why it isn't true, we will just settle at "no it is not true."

:D

MacQuest

Jan 20, 2003, 11:27 PM

Eyeluvmymac-

Do you mean NO as in the English language context, or in the Spanish context where it actually means YES, i.e This was an interesting Hoax, No?

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 11:28 PM

Sheesh you guys are very quick at dismissing this. Ok the photo has been up for some debate and looprumors has pulled the story (legal matters or not - who knows) but what do we really know? diddly squat.

Why is 'reputation' so important with rumor sites? I think alot of us just read all of them and take it all with a pinch of salt. The people running them post what info they get. So what if your prediction was wrong and your informant took you for a ride. A simple message on the home page saying "Sorry folks looks like we got some bad info" would do, I wouldn't think any less of them.

We can't know for sure either way at the moment and may never find out. Unless we do get some new info can't we leave this as a "What on earth was that all about?" story?

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
an hour ago we were talking about the power of apple legal.....looprumors takes down this content...not that i want to support the fact that i think its fake but perhaps this is a sign that its legit because it was taken down so quickly? anyone with me

Apple Legal can't really make people take down a picture like that. It's just a photo... doesn't contain "apple intellectual property"

arn

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 20, 2003, 11:34 PM

lol

on quite a different side note, do you have to be a special rank to be able to have avatars? I was looking through the profile settings and didn't see anything regarding it, could have missed it however.

I didnt want to start a whole new thread for a dumb qquestion like this so yea...also, is there a listing of at how many posts it takes to move to the next name/rank?

macdop

Jan 20, 2003, 11:36 PM

LoopRumors fessed that it was a fake

arn

Jan 20, 2003, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by eyeluvmyimac

I didnt want to start a whole new thread for a dumb qquestion like this so yea...also, is there a listing of at how many posts it takes to move to the next name/rank?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=109045#post109045

And you need 500 posts to get an avatar.

TMA

Jan 20, 2003, 11:42 PM

Happy Marklar fools day!
good of them to admit to it I think.

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 11:47 PM

Aw man, I finally registered and now I can post!!!

I think Jobs is gonna announce Marklar at this intel conference or something... No, seriously!! This site called looprumors.com posted this picture of an apple logo on a screen and I totally think it's for real!!

Sweet!! I am the man!!!

imaswitcheryeah

Jan 20, 2003, 11:48 PM

wait a minute.....

MacQuest

Jan 21, 2003, 12:04 AM

lol:D

Sun Baked

Jan 21, 2003, 12:09 AM

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571

MacQuest

Jan 21, 2003, 12:13 AM

At least Looprumors humbly apologized and admitted their rush to judgement.:(

After all, it's not their fault they were mislead, but I think this incident will be a valuable lesson for them....to be more like MacRumors!!!:D

[Big wet smoocher on Arn's behind to get him to let me use an avatar with my sub-twenty post count]:o

Queue "Groans of readers' disgust......

HasanDaddy

Jan 21, 2003, 04:25 AM

Well....

at least Apple knows what kind of change would induce the MOST excitement among us

and let's not be too hard on LoopRumors....so far, I like their coverage......especially their MacEsque webpage

besides - you can never have enough Macintosh rumor sites!

MacFan25

Jan 21, 2003, 07:17 AM

Well, it is 7:15 am and there is no word out (I don't think) that this is real. So I am just assuming that it is a fake.

arn

Jan 21, 2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by HasanDaddy

besides - you can never have enough Macintosh rumor sites!

I disagree with this... and not just because I run a rumor site. :)

(and this is not regarding looprumors specifically)

Too many rumor sites end up causing the line between speculation and true rumors to blur... as there is only so many "true" rumors.

Frequently speculation is passed off as rumors... and ends up causing far too many guesses floating around.

arn

couch potato

Jan 21, 2003, 10:26 AM

fake. all fake. besides, im still sticking with the fact that IBM will make apple's chips:D they will. you'll see:)

AnIntelGuy

Jan 24, 2003, 07:04 PM

C'mon, guys. There's nothing crazy or devious going on here. The photo in question is one from a setup session at Intel's International Sales and Marketing Conference held in Las Vegas last week. That really was the Apple logo on the center stage screen.

Steve Jobs was a keynote speaker for one of the evening sessions. Andy Grove invited Mr. Jobs to speak to the Intel sales force about innovation in the PC industry. Steve also demoed video and DVD creation on a Mac and showed some clips from an upcoming Pixar film. After this, Andy joined Steve on stage for an informal chat about their longtime friendship and their respective opinions on the industry past, present, and future.

I know this because I was there with about 4000 other Intel employees. When Steve Jobs stepped onstage we greeted him with a standing ovation.

It was a great keynote speech and the highlight of the week. You don't often get to see two history makers on the same stage and I feel lucky to have been there.

Sun Baked

Jan 24, 2003, 07:19 PM

:confused:

GeneR

Jan 24, 2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by dricci
Here's the real photo. Steve Jobs is there to introduce the iWalk featuring Intel's latest chips with military-grade DRM and a special OS X Lite version that also incorporates Microsoft's "Phone Home" software to automatically search for and bill you for media on your computer. Dell is also going to sell it through their online store and it will integrate with the future Bluetooth video iPod. Bill Gates and Michael Dell were there to congratulate Apple on their wise decisions.

Well, now I've seen everything.... :D

Thanks a bunch, dricci, I was lost but now I am found...was blind but now I see that this is the real deal. Yes, the truth is out there... but not in photoshop land, I'm afraid. :D

By the way, where can I get one of those "Phone Home" things? :D

P.S. Anyone know where I can get a Quicktime .mov of the original 1984 commercial? Thanks!

ezkimo

Jan 24, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by GeneR

Anyone know where I can get a Quicktime .mov of the original 1984 commercial? Thanks!

http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/ ;)

-Zach

Wakko_hack

Feb 8, 2003, 08:02 PM

Hello

I am the one who originally submitted the photo which is seen on the front page of looprumors.com. It is not a fake, and Steve Jobs WAS there. I sat in the audience.

I cannot tell you more than that to protect my identity.

Jobs came on stage and talked to the Intel Sales & Marketing group for 90 minutes. I have the whole thing on DV. He did not discuss ANYTHING regarding Macs on Intel chips, but there were hints in that direction.

Grove was clearly in favor of such a switch. He would just LOVE to have Apple as a client.

While on stage, Jobs wowed the crowd with the new Powerbooks (they just LOVED the backlit keyboard), and he also demoed iDVD. After that, we got a screening of several scenes from Finding Nemo. He also spoke of how Microsoft is out for blood, and they will not stop - even for a behemoth like Intel. VERY sobering words. He is a great speaker.

After that, an editor for Fortune magazine (or was it Money magazine, I forget), came out and interviewed Jobs and Grove - who have apparently been friends for YEARS. They talked about everything from industry innovation issues to digital rights management. It was an enlightening talk. I was lucky to witness it.

I'll send LoopRumors more photos later today to show that the original was not a fake. I can also take some screengrabs from the video showing Jobs, Grove and the interviewer (who's name escapes me).

One last thing. . .

After the show, I was talking to some "intel top brass" (I can't devulge names - I'd be fired!!) backstage, and I was hinted to that Intel is working very hard to develop a relationship with Apple and that Apple Macs running on Intel hardware is a virtual gurantee. I can't personally gurantee anything, but that's what I heard.

cr2sh

Feb 8, 2003, 08:47 PM

Wow, i missed all the action... let's see it wacko_hack... you got proof?
Its quite impressive that you'd be willing to blow every bit of credibility you have on some photoshopped image. Alas, is this a dead thread or what? :confused:

Laurence Mac

Feb 8, 2003, 08:51 PM

I'm not posting 'to debate' if Jobs was really at Intel's Conference or not. I don't really care, although, 4.0GHz H/T P4 CPU's for Mac would be nice. :)

I'm only posting to say, that image is real. I do graphics and video editing for a living - and for countless years now. See the two images I'm posting, from my Photoshop program?

The first one is simply brightened and contrast adjusted to expose the dark areas. AND, to give you a view of the people's shapes which were shrouded in darkness within the original. Second image is an extremely exploded and color corrected view of the L/S corner of the Mac Logo we all saw on stage. It's blown up by 1600%. I then selectively removed colors, so you may now see the perfect symmetry of the logo's edge. You cannot create that digitally, no matter how 'good' you are. I do believe the banners we see on the (L/S - R/S) stage, were suspended by cables. That's why they look awkward at a distance. They are, apparently, NOT fastened to the walls...

If this was a phony, believe me, I can see that at 1600% zoom. At that level, the pixels are perfect squares. I've seen every fake imaginable but trust me, they're always easy to spot if you know what you're looking at! Especially so, when you simply blow them up and have an eye for it. For instance, do my job for 20 years... The so called 'expert' guys, who posted here - "I can do the same thing in my sleep." Well, sadly, they probably cannot even open Photo Shop, let alone make a perfect fake.

Laurence

Laurence Mac

Feb 8, 2003, 08:52 PM

Exploded View of Apple Logo's L/S Edge. (@1600%)

Laurence

GigaWire

Feb 8, 2003, 11:43 PM

is it over yet? Did anything magical happen?

Wakko_hack

Feb 9, 2003, 12:50 AM

I took the photo with a Nikon coolpix 990. I was taking pictures of the Intel top brass as they gave their individual keynotes for use later in a video segment. Someone rushed into the video lab and said "dude, there's an Apple logo on the screen!!!" so I ran out and took a few pics.

The image is a cropped version of the original.

the screens were hanging from cables. The middle "circle" screen was also hanging from cables, and they took it down and replaced it with another rectangular screen on other days. They had three HUGE DLP projectors feeding them from across the auditorium.

This was in the MGM Grand arena. It's not gigantic, but many major acts have played there, as well as many sporting events. It's a pretty big place.

cr2sh

Feb 9, 2003, 12:53 AM

Let me be the first to ask formally: WTF IS GOING ON?
This would be a slap in the face to IBM if pixar goes to intel.. if Jobs is there pushing the power of intel.. i mean, WTF? We've all been dreaming about the power of 970... what happens if the g5 is a p5? :eek:

Wakko_hack

Feb 9, 2003, 01:05 AM

Pixar's entire rendering lab is running Intel hardware. Jobs announced it at the conference with Intel.

shadowfax

Feb 9, 2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by cr2sh
Let me be the first to ask formally: WTF IS GOING ON?
This would be a slap in the face to IBM if pixar goes to intel.. if Jobs is there pushing the power of intel.. i mean, WTF? We've all been dreaming about the power of 970... what happens if the g5 is a p5? :eek:

i wouldn't read TOO much into it. this isn't much more of a slap than using motorola's G4. IBM was with apple for the G3... i think this is about business. who knows, maybe if jobs looks like he is flirting with intel, it will get IBM to haul ass or something.

don't be a pessimist :).

imaswitcheryeah

Feb 9, 2003, 02:28 AM

UnixMac

Feb 9, 2003, 10:11 AM

I find it very funny that all these people on this thread were "certain" the picture was a fake and talked all about how it was photoshopped...

just goes to show how you can't really tell the difference anymore. And just how easy it is to hide secrets in a tech industry that is still in a state of change..

jholzner

Feb 9, 2003, 09:48 PM

Well, looprumors has new pictures and a sound bite as well now...so it appears to be real. I just don't get why there is an apple logo at all. This has nothing to do with Apple but only with Pixar.

iJon

Feb 9, 2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by cr2sh
Let me be the first to ask formally: WTF IS GOING ON?
This would be a slap in the face to IBM if pixar goes to intel.. if Jobs is there pushing the power of intel.. i mean, WTF? We've all been dreaming about the power of 970... what happens if the g5 is a p5? :eek:
i dont think its about who uses what. i think this is about rendering those fish for finding nemo fast. if they have to use linux, why use something slower and less productive. we all know by now that intel is king now, there is no sense using something slower. if they were making "finding nemo" in imovie, they would have a bunch of xserves. this is pixar not apple, its not about selling computers, its about making movies, and you gotta have the best to make movies like theirs.

iJon

cr2sh

Feb 9, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by iJon
i dont think its about who uses what.

While I'm sure you're right.. its just business, tell me why the big to-do about Steve Jobs and Apple? Why not 'Steve Jobs of Pixar'? Why make this big of a deal out of two companies (pixar and apple) that have very little in common, expecially to hype pixar and intel?

If you were going to push 'Pixar moves to Intel', why would you put Apple logos everywhere?

Just seems odd to me.

iJon

Feb 9, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by cr2sh

While I'm sure you're right.. its just business, tell me why the big to-do about Steve Jobs and Apple? Why not 'Steve Jobs of Pixar'? Why make this big of a deal out of two companies (pixar and apple) that have very little in common, expecially to hype pixar and intel?

If you were going to push 'Pixar moves to Intel', why would you put Apple logos everywhere?

Just seems odd to me.
i completly agree, that is odd about the apple logos. But i am guessing that most people know him more by apple, probably more than half those people didnt know he was the ceo of pixar. thats my guess but a very good question indeed.

iJon

Wakko_hack

Feb 9, 2003, 10:30 PM

You're right - the Apple logo for a primarily Pixar announcement. But the Pixar announcement was not the entire focus of the show. The primary focus was the meeting between Jobs and Grove. Simce Jobs is more prominently the CEO of Apple than Pixar, it makes sense to display the logo of the company that provokes more emotion.

It worked, too. He got a standing ocation from Intel.

--------------------Wakko

iJon

Feb 9, 2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Wakko_hack
You're right - the Apple logo for a primarily Pixar announcement. But the Pixar announcement was not the entire focus of the show. The primary focus was the meeting between Jobs and Grove. Simce Jobs is more prominently the CEO of Apple than Pixar, it makes sense to display the logo of the company that provokes more emotion.

It worked, too. He got a standing ocation from Intel.

--------------------Wakko
and they are pretty good friends, since steve started the usb revolution, and intel owns usb. when apple came out with usb, the intel ceo personally thanked him, because no one else would use it.

iJon

Kid Red

Feb 10, 2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by klapauzius
If the picture is fake, it is a thorough one. The High-Res JPG contains EXIF information -- the image was taken with a CoolPix 990, aperture, ISO setting are all plausible.

There's also a second Apple Logo on the Monitor just below the person with the red hair standing on stage. Behind the Logo is the gray gradient that's usually used in Apple presentations.

I say it's not a fake.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

To you and everyone else who thought this was a fake (I didn't and posted that I didn't)

http://www.looprumors.com/

Laurence Mac

Feb 11, 2003, 02:44 AM

You were not alone Kid Red. I posted it was real before it was confirmed as real. (See Page 6 of this thread) What's really annoying, is all the people on a forum like this one - who always think every controversial photo online is "photoshopped." As if it's so easy to make a believable fake image? Again, if you know what you're looking at, it's very easy to tell the difference.

Laurence

MacBandit

Feb 11, 2003, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Laurence Mac
You were not alone Kid Red. I posted it was real before it was confirmed as real. (See Page 6 of this thread) What's really annoying, is all the people on a forum like this one - who always think every controversial photo online is "photoshopped." As if it's so easy to make a believable fake image? Again, if you know what you're looking at, it's very easy to tell the difference.

Laurence

There does seem to be an extraordinary large number of photo experts on this website. I must say though that while it is fairly easy to determine if things have been altered (if you have any clue about how it's done) it can still be very hard to tell if someone smartly compresses the living **** out of it using jpeg. After that is done it becomes hard to tell what was done to it.

Laurence Mac

Feb 11, 2003, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

There does seem to be an extraordinary large number of photo experts on this website. I must say though that while it is fairly easy to determine if things have been altered (if you have any clue about how it's done) it can still be very hard to tell if someone smartly compresses the living **** out of it using jpeg. After that is done it becomes hard to tell what was done to it.

Hey Bandit,

I had to say, simply, Bandit. I'm old enough to remember 'that movie' - you know, with the Black Trans Am in it. LoL.

Well anyway, indeed, if an image is really compressed down quite a lot, regardless of the compression format, it can become so pixilated and unclear, you really would have no idea what's in the image in the first place. (especially if resized with no 'constrain on proportions' being used, thus instant & massive distortion) However, if the image is clear, and the image that fired off this post was good quality, it's then easy to see a Photoshop "add in" so to speak. (like adding in a fake logo and such) I also have some crazy software to get to the bottom of such things that's well beyond Photoshop. But you do need to have an eye for it and some experience as well. Otherwise you're clueless... It's amazing what can be caught when you blow something up a few thousand times it's original size. But I know what you're saying... lot's of photo experts here, huh? ;-)

Laurence

jefhatfield

Feb 15, 2003, 07:15 AM

it's funny how just a few years ago the evil company for mac cultists was the big, bad microsoft

mac office shut them up and so did apple putting ie on their machines

now intel seems to be the big bad wolf

who shall we band together and fight in another few years?

MacBandit

Feb 15, 2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by jefhatfield
it's funny how just a few years ago the evil company for mac cultists was the big, bad microsoft

mac office shut them up and so did apple putting ie on their machines

now intel seems to be the big bad wolf

who shall we band together and fight in another few years?

Office did not shut us up. At least most of us. Microsoft is still number 1. Personally I don't look at Intel as the enemy. It's not there fault that Motorola has fallen behind.