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iJon
Jan 22, 2003, 08:48 PM
Mac NN is saying iLife will be delayed.

"MacNN reports that Apple may delay the release of iLife, its suite of four digital hub applications due to problems with GM "Golden Master" of the iLife CD. The $50 package will reportedly not be available for sale as anticipated on Saturday, January 25th (and the new release date was not yet known)."

http://www.macnn.com/

I have my doubts with this and i have my reasons why i feel this wont happen. Not allowed to say why I doubt this but I guess we will have to wait and see. If it is delayed I hope we can play with the free software for download. Maybe the CD's got screwed up in dupeing. Hope not, I have lots of customers waiting for this. They got two days to get to me.

iJon

alset
Jan 22, 2003, 09:32 PM
Sounds like only a CD error, which would make me believe that Apple can have at least a moderate amount of discs published in a short amount of time and ship them off right away. I wouldn't figure this to set them back very far, though I expect to see limited availability on shipping.

Dan

imaswitcheryeah
Jan 22, 2003, 11:31 PM
As long as iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2 are available for download, this doesn't matter to me.

I'm one of those "unfortunate souls" who opted out of springing for a superdrive. I figured, if I want to burn dvd's sometime in the future, then I'll get a nice one that may even be faster than the superdrive I did without. Everything will be just dandy with the other mirrored drive door:D filled, and iDVD at my disposal.

But, wait a minute...

I can't use iDVD unless I bought my computer with the superdrive?? No 3rd-party dvd burner support?? Is this true with iDVD 3?

Dare I say it... sounds like something Microsoft would do... :eek:

iJon
Jan 22, 2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah
I can't use iDVD unless I bought my computer with the superdrive?? No 3rd-party dvd burner support?? Is this true with iDVD 3?

Dare I say it... sounds like something Microsoft would do... :eek:
this has always been true. although desktop people could add the same drive apple uses and be set. sorry about you laptop users.

iJon

imaswitcheryeah
Jan 23, 2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by iJon

desktop people could add the same drive apple uses and be set.

That's wack.

irmongoose
Jan 23, 2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah
As long as iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2 are available for download, this doesn't matter to me.


They are already.. if you know what I mean :p

I have it :D




irmongoose

richlen
Jan 23, 2003, 08:01 AM
iDVD has always worked with none Apple superdrives as Apple doesnt make them, they are just Pioneer drives stuck in an Apple computer. There appears to be no change in firmware or anything that identifies them as Apple branded drives. I just bought a 4X Pioneer DVR 105 (the successor to the 2X 104 Apple ships as the Super Drive) and it works fine...Apple released support for this drive in the last OSX update. If iDVD 3 were to do something to not allow non-Apple installed superdrives to work then Apple would have to change all superdrive firmware as well as the OS.

OSeXy!
Jan 23, 2003, 08:15 AM
The UK applestore is saying iLife will ship in 6-8 days. (Keynote, by comparison, ships in 1 day.)

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 23, 2003, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by iJon
Mac NN is saying iLife will be delayed.

"MacNN reports that Apple may delay the release of iLife, its suite of four digital hub applications due to problems with GM "Golden Master" of the iLife CD. The $50 package will reportedly not be available for sale as anticipated on Saturday, January 25th (and the new release date was not yet known)."

http://www.macnn.com/

I have my doubts with this and i have my reasons why i feel this wont happen. Not allowed to say why I doubt this but I guess we will have to wait and see. If it is delayed I hope we can play with the free software for download. Maybe the CD's got screwed up in dupeing. Hope not, I have lots of customers waiting for this. They got two days to get to me.

iJon Not really a big deal when you consider how great these apps are allready. I dont mind waiting, Hey Ijon you work at a apple store or apple reseller?

eric_n_dfw
Jan 23, 2003, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by richlen
iDVD has always worked with none Apple superdrives as Apple doesnt make them, they are just Pioneer drives stuck in an Apple computer. There appears to be no change in firmware or anything that identifies them as Apple branded drives. I just bought a 4X Pioneer DVR 105 (the successor to the 2X 104 Apple ships as the Super Drive) and it works fine...Apple released support for this drive in the last OSX update. If iDVD 3 were to do something to not allow non-Apple installed superdrives to work then Apple would have to change all superdrive firmware as well as the OS.
I do the same thing with iDVD2 on my Blue & White and a Pioneer DVR-104.

But Apple could, very easily screw me out of iDVD3. All they would have to do is check id of the machine and compare it to a table of machines that could have shipped with a superdrive. That would effectively lock out any PowerMac produced before the superdrive models came out.

eric_n_dfw
Jan 23, 2003, 09:06 AM
Oh - and as I posted in another thread - the Apple rep at my local CompUSA would not talk to me about whether or not iDVD3 would work on my machine and told me that I was "already breaking the rules" by running iDVD2 on my machine.
:rolleyes:

irmongoose
Jan 23, 2003, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

I do the same thing with iDVD2 on my Blue & White and a Pioneer DVR-104.

But Apple could, very easily screw me out of iDVD3. All they would have to do is check id of the machine and compare it to a table of machines that could have shipped with a superdrive. That would effectively lock out any PowerMac produced before the superdrive models came out.

But why would Apple want to do that? It ain't Microsh*ttybangbang or the RIAA here you know...



irmongoose

agengler
Jan 23, 2003, 09:11 AM
Well I tend to believe it's true. My shipping date is now 2/11 and I placed my order 1/16.

Bear
Jan 23, 2003, 09:48 AM
I ordered iLife 1/7, and my shipping date is On or before 02/05/2003.

rafaelperini
Jan 23, 2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose


They are already.. if you know what I mean :p

I have it :D

irmongoose

Do you have the GM or just the versions from MWSF?

MacBandit
Jan 23, 2003, 10:23 AM
You can't run iDVD on hardware they don't support for a couple reasons. The primary is that they want control of the user experience. To go along with this and to reply to the person saying this is more like Microsoft. Think about what your saying. When could you run OSX or OS9 on non Apple hardware? The answer is never. Even the Apple-Compatibles (motorola, etc.) had to use an Apple chipset.

The other reason they are trying to prevent the use of iDVD on other hardware is that iDVD is a pay program and always has been. Yes it comes on new Macs with the DVD burner built in but the price of it is included in the price of the computer. They do not offer it as a free download and therefore if you are using it on non supported hardware you STOLE IT.

Arcady
Jan 23, 2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit
Yes it comes on new Macs with the DVD burner built in but the price of it is included in the price of the computer. They do not offer it as a free download and therefore if you are using it on non supported hardware you STOLE IT.

I bought a Quicksilver 867 a few months ago (cheap edu pricing after the MDD G4 came out) and I ordered it with a CD-RW drive. When I booted up into OS X, there was iDVD sitting in my dock. So if I buy a Pioneer DVD-R drive, I have not stolen iDVD. Apple gave it to me (and it is also on the restore CD's that came with my G4.) Did they give me the wrong software?

ngrandy
Jan 23, 2003, 10:36 AM
There was a lot of speculation that tomorrow would see iMac updates. Does the iLife delay mean those might be delayed longer? Is anybody actually sure that iMac updates are coming soon?

MacBandit
Jan 23, 2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Arcady


I bought a Quicksilver 867 a few months ago (cheap edu pricing after the MDD G4 came out) and I ordered it with a CD-RW drive. When I booted up into OS X, there was iDVD sitting in my dock. So if I buy a Pioneer DVD-R drive, I have not stolen iDVD. Apple gave it to me (and it is also on the restore CD's that came with my G4.) Did they give me the wrong software?

No you are correct and I had forgotten that one little loophole. All PowerMacs come with iDVD.

imaswitcheryeah
Jan 23, 2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit
You can't run iDVD on hardware they don't support for a couple reasons. The primary is that they want control of the user experience. To go along with this and to reply to the person saying this is more like Microsoft. Think about what your saying. When could you run OSX or OS9 on non Apple hardware? The answer is never. Even the Apple-Compatibles (motorola, etc.) had to use an Apple chipset.

The other reason they are trying to prevent the use of iDVD on other hardware is that iDVD is a pay program and always has been. Yes it comes on new Macs with the DVD burner built in but the price of it is included in the price of the computer. They do not offer it as a free download and therefore if you are using it on non supported hardware you STOLE IT.

OK... first of all, my computer has no superdrive. That we already know. My computer came with iDVD installed. It was in the dock when I first booted and it's in my applications folder. Why is that? Did I get it for free? Did I steal it??? Um, I don't think I did:confused:

Let's say I buy iLife(iDVD, cause that's all I'm really buying). Then I go and buy a non-apple pioneer burner, the supported one that's faster. (someone mentioned they bought the faster pioneer and its supported earlier in the thread) Now, your saying I stole iDVD? I don't know, I guess your reply really didn't make much sense to me cause obviously I wouldn't be able to use iDVD on something that it doesn't support. (UNLESS, you meant I'm some crazy hacker who programmed a work around to make iDVD work with any burner I choose... even though I bought iLife.:confused: PLEASE clear this up man. My brain hurts....)

EDIT: OK, you forgot the loophole...

MacBandit
Jan 23, 2003, 10:48 AM
Sorry I should have worded that differently. Obviously you could buy iDVD when iLife comes out and not have stolen it. But you are missing something. You and everyone else who has iDVD did buy it. It was in the purchase price of your computer.

imaswitcheryeah
Jan 23, 2003, 10:52 AM
Did anybody get the Apple eNews-letter?

And I quote...

To burn photos to a CD or DVD, run Software Update and install Mac OS X v10.2.2 or later. Burning photos to a DVD in iDVD requires a Mac with a SuperDrive or other DVD-burning drive.

This is a direct cut and paste from a note under the iPhoto 2 part of the email. Could this mean that iDVD 3 will support other drives other than Superdrives (Pioneers)??

If anyone didn't get it I'll gladly foward it, just ask...

MacBandit
Jan 23, 2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah
Did anybody get the Apple eNews-letter?

And I quote...

To burn photos to a CD or DVD, run Software Update and install Mac OS X v10.2.2 or later. Burning photos to a DVD in iDVD requires a Mac with a SuperDrive or other DVD-burning drive.

This is a direct cut and paste from a note under iPhoto 2 part of the email. Could this mean that iDVD 3 will support other drives other that Superdrives (Pioneers)??

If anyone didn't get it I'll gladly foward it, just ask...

It's not supposed to support any additional drives but it could be a surprise thing and the reason why they are releasing it as a separate (from a computer purchase) purchasable program.

tterbo
Jan 23, 2003, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Bear
I ordered iLife 1/7, and my shipping date is On or before 02/05/2003.

IDVD FOR ME WILL BE SHIPPED 1/30 OR BEFORE. ORDERED 1/21

MacBandit
Jan 23, 2003, 10:56 AM
I just received a Apple eNew update and here is a quote from it referring to iDVD and the SuperDrive.


Best news of all: you can get iDVD 3 for just $49—and iMovie 3, iPhoto 2, and iTunes 3, as well—when you order iLife from the Apple Store or an Apple reseller.

iDVD 3 requires a Mac with a SuperDrive.

iSmell
Jan 23, 2003, 10:58 AM
I got that, too. I noticed it didn't give any specific dates for iLife or the downloads. I would think they might delay the downloads until iLife is shipping in volume just to protect some of their sales.

imaswitcheryeah
Jan 23, 2003, 11:02 AM
In that same email you got, the one I referred to earlier, it's says something under iPhoto 2. Maybe you're missing something...

soccer
Jan 23, 2003, 11:14 AM
Just called the Apple store here in Indianapolis and asked if iLife would be available on Saturday...the answer was a 'no' and that it had been 'delayed'. I asked several of the free apps would be available for download; again, the answer was 'no' (although I don't think he had a clue to this apsect of the whole thing).

Wes

bdkennedy1
Jan 23, 2003, 01:07 PM
They may have found a major bug at the last second or to conincide with the realease of 10.2.4.

eric_n_dfw
Jan 23, 2003, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit The other reason they are trying to prevent the use of iDVD on other hardware is that iDVD is a pay program and always has been. Yes it comes on new Macs with the DVD burner built in but the price of it is included in the price of the computer. They do not offer it as a free download and therefore if you are using it on non supported hardware you STOLE IT.
I did not STEAL iDVD 2. I bought it off the Apple Store. More acurately, I may not be abiding by it's EULA by installing it on my older PowerMac.

(iDVD2 doesn't appear to be available anymore, but here's Apple's guildines on how to get it: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50165 )

I doubt that Apple would actually do what my hypothetical note about iDVD 3 checking for compliant models said. But they could.

jelloshotsrule
Jan 23, 2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

I did not STEAL iDVD 2. I bought it off the Apple Store.

exactly... you can buy it... in fact, you have to if you got a mac before idvd 2 and only had idvd 1... like myself.

Backtothemac
Jan 23, 2003, 01:54 PM
Yep, now the AppleStore doesn't even show a release date.

DAMN!

So much for that trip to Memphis on Saturday to visit the AppleStore.

estevan2737
Jan 23, 2003, 01:56 PM
Apple's iLife web page no longer says "Available 1/25 in Apple Stores". Instead, it says "Available soon in Apple Stores." Looks like confirmation to me.

Wonder what this means for downloads of iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2.

robbents99
Jan 23, 2003, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Yep, now the AppleStore doesn't even show a release date.

DAMN!

So much for that trip to Memphis on Saturday to visit the AppleStore.


Ditto, except the plan was to take the trip to NH Store to oggle things I have no monies for but looks like that's on hold. Hopefully the problem is fixed soon.

wallinbl
Jan 23, 2003, 02:59 PM
This is delayed because the new systems are not ready yet.

Think about it. At the Keynote, Jobs said that iLife would be shipped with all new Macs when it was released. That wouldn't make much sense unless all new Macs also had a SuperDrive.

I think that updated hardware is due, and iLife's release will coincide with it.

(Yes, I realize that I am dreaming)

iJon
Jan 23, 2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Not really a big deal when you consider how great these apps are allready. I dont mind waiting, Hey Ijon you work at a apple store or apple reseller?
reseller, but on the other hand it probably is delayed, if it hasnt shipped yet its probably gonna be late.

iJon

damson34
Jan 23, 2003, 03:04 PM
on the iLife website it no longer says that it will be available on the 25th, it also took away the 25th from where it talks about iphoto and imovie being seperate downloads. I hope they are still released though =/

MacBoyX
Jan 23, 2003, 03:21 PM
According to MacCentral Apple officially released a statement saying iLife and all the updated iApps would be available January 31, a week later than expected. Apple gave no reason for the delay.

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/23.ilife.php

Better late than never huh? :)

Gus
Jan 23, 2003, 04:12 PM
Will Apple ever hit a real ship date. Ugh. I am just tired of the delays. Delays in processor speed from Moto, delays on software, blah, blah, blah. This has always been Apple's biggest problem. They have the good stuff, but they never get it to us when we want it.

BTW, since I know you will all start flaming about how "it's free, quit complaining, blah, blah, blah". I don't care if it is free. If they say Jan. 25th, then that should mean the 25th. Oh, and it is "just a problem with the CDs", then why are they pulling the download date too?

Regards,
Gus

dstorey
Jan 23, 2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Gus
Oh, and it is "just a problem with the CDs", then why are they pulling the download date too?


According to ThinkSecret its not a problem with the cds but a hardware problem on the updated imacs and whatnot and they want to start shipping both at the same time i guess...

FelixDerKater
Jan 23, 2003, 06:13 PM
If the updated iApps in iLife require OS X 10.2.4, then that is most likely the reason it is delayed. There is no point in shipping something that requires an update that isn't yet available.

iJon
Jan 23, 2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by FelixDerKater
If the updated iApps in iLife require OS X 10.2.4, then that is most likely the reason it is delayed. There is no point in shipping something that requires an update that isn't yet available.
but ilife requres 10.1.5 not 10.2. but also there could be some problems with it in 10.2, who knows.

iJon

medea
Jan 23, 2003, 06:29 PM
looks like Apple will indeed be shipping our iLife retail package and making iPhoto 2 and iMovie 3 available for download on our Web site by Jan. 31, they have made an official statement but gave no reasons why.

Wardofsky
Jan 23, 2003, 07:08 PM
MacNN said that the downloads of iPhoto and iMovie were delayed to 31st Jan?

richlen
Jan 23, 2003, 09:36 PM
Apple isnt going to make iDVD for Superdrive shipped models only. Youve always been able to upgrade with any pioneer drives and Apple has written the drivers for Pioneer drives (103 and 105) that never shipped as Superdrives and built them into the OS and iDVD has worked well with them as well as Apples CD authoring. Why would they do include these drivers if they didnt expect people to upgrade. Would they rather people bought a new machine with a SD? Definitly, but they also know they cant be draconian and on the sly wish to encourage people to use their products.

MacBandit
Jan 24, 2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah
In that same email you got, the one I referred to earlier, it's says something under iPhoto 2. Maybe you're missing something...

It specifically says burning photos to a DVD. That doesn't require anything special. Yes, it uses iDVD but it's not compressing Mpeg video or anything and streaming it to the DVD burner.

irmongoose
Jan 24, 2003, 02:59 AM
Well I got the GM sitting right here in my dock, works great... wonder if I should throw it away... is it a bug in the CDs or the actual app itself? hmm.. who knows?




irmongoose

MacBandit
Jan 24, 2003, 10:12 AM
As stated elsewhere and on many other sites. It's much more likely that it is either. a) A problem with the duplication process. or b) A delay so that they may release new iMac or other hardware that will have it preinstalled at the same time.

Although I must say it is always a mistake to be running prerelease software. Especially if you aren't in the beta program, meaning..........