Nokia Series 60 Phones With iTunes?

[MacRumors]

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A post at faq-mac.com (http://www.faq-mac.com/mt/archives/016093.php) (in spanish) claims the upcoming Nokia Series 60 phones will include iTunes, and sport a Front Row-style user interface design.

A picture of the Nokia N80i displaying the interface & iTunes buttons is available in the discussion thread.

[zap2]

i doubt is but i'd might buy the Phone any way!!

[Mudbug]

from www.nokioteca.net:

I should probably mention this is unsubstantiated information (hence page 2) but is posted here since it's getting some buzz around Nokia-fan websites.

[Superdrive]

Considering my SLVR shows up tomorrow, I'd say this is true. :p

While I was on GSM carriers back in the day, the Nokia phones were by far the easiest to use. We'll see how this stands next to Moto.

[Stella]

I really hope so.

There isn't any reason why Apple can't make a iTunes client for any phone. Apple should target Series60, being one of the most popular platforms around.

[miketcool]

Don't they get it, im happy with listening to my music, i still dont care to talk to it!!

[Prom1]

I wish this would be true .... would be a HUGE boost for Apples mobile iTunes development since they already have a solid working relationship with Nokia (part of the Alliance of Symbian consortium) that develops their own S60 user interface. (Currently its officially named S60 instead of Series 60).

unfortunately I dont see this coming to light as I've had a picture displayed on that site for over 7 months now .... even have another to show those curious about it.

Though I'm not loosing hope since Apple worked closely with Nokia for the 3rd gen S60 devices to use the co-developed Nokia Browser = which is fantastic by all pictorial accounts & its feature set.

EDIT: by the way that is a REAL phone due out in 2 months on Vodafone in Europe its the N80
specs UMTS 2100, EDGE/GPRS 850/900/1800/1900Mhz Bands with WIFI 802.11g with UPnP support. oh yeah for us on this side of the pond ... there is an 1900Mhz UMTS with the rest of the above goodies expected soon as well. BOTH have already received FCC approval in the past month!!!!

[bigandy]

would be a great boost for iTunes phones. personally i don't like nokias, but that's rather sweet, and might tempt me back from the mighty SonyEricsson P9xx series...

if it can hold more than 100 tunes, that is.

[CRTC]

So Nokia have supposedly forgotten how to spell 'calendar', and can't work out how to set leading correctly on Illustrator (I mean, there needs to be a good bit more space between 'iTunes + Nokia' and 'New: the first...').

And what's 'Frontrow'? Apple call it Front Row.

Not one of the more convincing fakes out there.

[Stella]

would be a great boost for iTunes phones. personally i don't like nokias, but that's rather sweet, and might tempt me back from the mighty SonyEricsson P9xx series...

if it can hold more than 100 tunes, that is.

BUT... P9xx isn't Series 60 so this iTunes client wouldn't work. You need a Symbian UIQ flavour.

[itsbetteronamac]

This would be awsome, I have been waiting for the N80 for some time now, and this would just make me ***** in my pants. Oh, there is one problem for us int he US... it's not going to be here for some time. The version approved by the FCC is quadband GSM, but only 1900mhz UMTS... which means cingular has refused to carry it. And tmo will not be carring it because they are no where near having UMTS, they don't even have EDGE everywhere. But, the good news is that rumor has it that Cingy sent the phone back to nokia and asked for a verision with 850mhz UMTS... which should be called the N80i. So I guess with that being true, we should see Cingular releasing a N80i with iTunes sometime this late summer.

YAY~!

[fowler.]

it's fake, check the spelling of "Frontrow". it should be "Front Row"

edit, someone already said it :p

[superleccy]

Well, I'm a S60 fan so this would suit me down to the ground.

This may be wishful thinking (the advert does look pretty fake), but I can half believe it too. Apple want to form a partnership with a mobile manufacturer, and the relationship with Moto is collapsing for several reasons. SonyEricsson are out because of their links with iPod rival Walkman. Nokia is the next logical choice.

Also, Noika are advertising their "XpressMusic" music player feature for the nextgen S60, but haven't released any details yet. Could this be iTunes in disguise? After the negative publicity caused by the dissapointment of the ROKR, I should imagine that Jobs would want to keep things even more top-secret than usual. But, Nokia, who announce their new products months in advance, had to say something. Hence "XpressMusic".

Finally, anyone noticed how remarkably well iSync works with the S60? OK, it took them long enough to support the SyncML models like the 7610, but it's flawless. I remember reading somewhere that Apple engineers collaborated with Nokia engineers to get this working... so the two companies are already working together. Oh yeah, and the Safari tie-in too.

Of course, the fly in the ointment will be the Networks, who will complain for the same reason they complained about the ROKR. They'll also complain about the N80 because of it's WLAN capabilities. Sure, the likes of Voda might carry it, but expect a crippled version unless you buy one independently of a contract.

That'll be my €0.02, then.

Regards
Superleccy

[plinkoman]

ugh, i hate nokia phones...

add my name to the list who thinks this is fake...

[MacRumors]

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Faq-Mac claims (http://www.faq-mac.com/mt/archives/016093.php) to have a picture of an upcoming Nokia iTunes-enabled cell phone.

The picture reads: "iTunes + NOKIA. New: The first Series 60 iTunes phone!"

It also reportedly ships with a cell-phone version of Frontrow. "Frontrow on your phone". Of note, Apple uses the spacing "Front Row" rather than "Frontrow" on its website.

The validity of the image is clearly remains in question.

[mlrproducts]

Def a fake - the photo posted by prom1 shows a user's iTunes in the background, with their lists and a whole bunch of 50 cent songs. Apple would put the store view on any ad.

What an idiot. Study up on Apple before you make fakes people!!!! (not you prom1, referring to creator of pic)

[zap2]

repost?

[yankeefan24]

why would they switch so suddenly from motorola to nokia. i didn't even realize nokia was still around. everyone i know has moto or lg (with some exceptions like 1 with sidekick, etc.) i highly doubt this.

BTW, on the ipod, isn't now playing at the bottom of the entire list, and not second to last as shown in the picture. And why would you want Front Row on your cell phone. Watch movies on it, not going to happen.

[Spanky Deluxe]

It certainly does look like a fake when one looks at the details. I've been planning of buying this phone for ages anyway so I'll get it as soon as it comes out. If it sports Frontrow and iTunes integration then all the better. Although I wouldn't use it. IPod all the way. Keep it seperate.

[nagromme]

Not to mention, Front Row and iTunes are redundant with each other, unless you're talking about library management--which is not what iTunes does on a phone. It's just a player, like iPod or Front Row.

Looks like someone's wishful thinking got away from them.

[Steve1496]

Front Row is spelled wrong.

[iShane]

It sure would be cool. I bet they photoshopped it somehow from a Treo. It looks about the same bodyshape.

[zap2]

It sure would be cool. I bet they photoshopped it somehow from a Treo. It looks about the same bodyshape.


hear its a phone to be released in europe some time this year

[Patch^]

interesting if this is real..Maybe it's one of their fun new products? lol. If this is true, surely apple would of made an announcement like they did with Motorola?

[itsbetteronamac]

i think the pic is fake that pony1 posted. You can tell because there are a bunch of songs with out album titles. Apple, just wouldn't do that.

[Stella]

why would they switch so suddenly from motorola to nokia. i didn't even realize nokia was still around.

I'm quite stunned by your comment. You don't get out much, do you?

Nokia is one of the most popular brands in the world, especially Europe - where the cell phone market is way more advanced that the north American market. ( north american market is quite pathetic ).

Another fact you may find interesting: Nokia, is the number one smartphone, and its not based on microsoft or palm.

Soo... it stands to reason why Apple would get Nokia in on the act.... Nokia, more popular ( worldwide - an important fact - the usa is not the world, despite popular belief amongst you lot ) than Moto.. so do the maths. Simple.

Its not a switch... from Moto to Nokia, its an addition.

[SpitfireMKv]

Well, I'm a S60 fan so this would suit me down to the ground.

This may be wishful thinking (the advert does look pretty fake), but I can half believe it too. Apple want to form a partnership with a mobile manufacturer, and the relationship with Moto is collapsing for several reasons. SonyEricsson are out because of their links with iPod rival Walkman. Nokia is the next logical choice.



This all well and true but have you looked at the compatibility of Nokia phones with OSX compared to that of Sony Ericsson phones. It just doesn't give you the impression that they are working together all that closely. Nokia do make good phones but over the years have neglected technology and haven't put things like bluetooth into their phones....WHY? you have to wonder.

I wouldn't be surprised if SonyEricsson surprised everyone due to the fact that they have 2 very interesting phones about to be launched the W950i and M600i which will both have touch screen interfaces. The W950i is also going to have 4gb flash memory and the ability to have album art. All this is also running on the symbian platform. Sony don't have a desktop interface for music that is popular so I can see them using iTunes to interface with their phone.

[superleccy]

This all well and true but have you looked at the compatibility of Nokia phones with OSX compared to that of Sony Ericsson phones... <snip> Nokia do make good phones but over the years have neglected technology and haven't put things like bluetooth into their phones....WHY? you have to wonder.

Um, my Nokia phone has Bluetooth, and it works well. I never got the impression that Nokia used Bluetooth throughout their range any less than their competitors. On the contrary... have you tried to do anything useful with Bluetooth with a Blackberry Charm?

I do like some of the newer SonyEricsson phones. However, I have never tried to used a one with a Mac. I'd love to give it a go, I doubt I'll get the opportunity.

Sony don't have a desktop interface for music that is popular so I can see them using iTunes to interface with their phone.

Good theory. Although, Sony would probably insist on ATRAC support, which probably wouldn't go down well with Steve.

Regards
Superleccy

[cycocelica]

I doubt it but Nokia does own Motorola

[Spock]

I doubt it but Nokia does own Motorola

Can You please give me some information to back this up? I must have missed it.

[cycocelica]

Can You please give me some information to back this up? I must have missed it.

really? do i have to? It just my opinion. The Motorola interface to me is very slow and poorly made. I had one and the menus took time to load and the whole layout just was weird to me. Plus the send button is on the other side of the phone (its cool to be different). Nokia has always been very pleasing to me. Very easy to use.

[mikaelrules]

Can You please give me some information to back this up? I must have missed it.

I think he didn't mean "own" in a literal sense. It was more like "Nokia 0wNz Motorola". :rolleyes:

[cycocelica]

I think he didn't mean "own" in a literal sense. It was more like "Nokia 0wNz Motorola". :rolleyes:

hahaha i thought he wanted to know why Nokia was better than Motorola.

[iEric]

too bad the S60s are PDA/Cell phone combinations.

i still like my SLVR a lot better...cause first it's from motorola and second it's so sleek!

many complain about the 100 song cap but that's 7 hours! and i only listen to the songs over and over again anyways.

moto all the way.

"moto is so loco"

[Dark Horse]

Nokia do make good phones but over the years have neglected technology and haven't put things like bluetooth into their phones....WHY? you have to wonder.Um, my Nokia phone has Bluetooth, and it works well. I never got the impression that Nokia used Bluetooth throughout their range any less than their competitors.

Mmm.. Spitfire is right to an extent. Bluetooth is missing from some really quite surprising Nokia Models. Such as (from memory) the 7260, which was out well after BT became mainstream.

[mozmac]

I definitely think that this pic is a fake, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see it. I use a BlackBerry because of work, and I miss my Nokia every single day. I was so bummed when Apple teamed up with Motorola on the ROKR. Motorola phones are horrible; everyone knows that. Why on earth did Apple team up with an inferior phone maker? Nokia makes better phones, hands down. They have the same mindset as Apple. It seemed natural that they would've teamed up together. Maybe this image is an oman of future products to come.

[Macnoviz]

I don't know if these are available in America, but we have this gorgeous Nokia 7380 cellphone (we call this a GSM, if you'd ever hear that, now you know)
It really has a nice design, combining apple-style simplicity and originality with a nice ecletic theme and soft materials. It even has some sort of clickwheel
http://www.europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,82378,00.html

It already supports apple iTools (don't really know what that is) and has bluetooth, OTA, media player with AAC,...

It might be an inspiration if there was going to be a cellphone with iTunes/ Front row
I think the ad is fake, but the possibility still exists...

[UCGrafix]

I would run to the store to buy one of these.

[zaxxon]

This all well and true but have you looked at the compatibility of Nokia phones with OSX compared to that of Sony Ericsson phones. It just doesn't give you the impression that they are working together all that closely. Nokia do make good phones but over the years have neglected technology and haven't put things like bluetooth into their phones....WHY? you have to wonder.

I wouldn't be surprised if SonyEricsson surprised everyone due to the fact that they have 2 very interesting phones about to be launched the W950i and M600i which will both have touch screen interfaces. The W950i is also going to have 4gb flash memory and the ability to have album art. All this is also running on the symbian platform. Sony don't have a desktop interface for music that is popular so I can see them using iTunes to interface with their phone.

I happen to have some inside information from Nokia's side, and to tell you the truth Nokia and Apple have a pretty cold corporate relations. If Nokia was to release an iTunes phone, I'd be as surprised as if I heard Apple would be sold to Microsoft.

[yankeefan24]

I'm quite stunned by your comment. You don't get out much, do you?

Nokia is one of the most popular brands in the world, especially Europe - where the cell phone market is way more advanced that the north American market. ( north american market is quite pathetic ).

Another fact you may find interesting: Nokia, is the number one smartphone, and its not based on microsoft or palm.

Soo... it stands to reason why Apple would get Nokia in on the act.... Nokia, more popular ( worldwide - an important fact - the usa is not the world, despite popular belief amongst you lot ) than Moto.. so do the maths. Simple.

Its not a switch... from Moto to Nokia, its an addition.


1. I am serious about not knowing anyone with a new nokia phone. I still see some onld ones, but maybe they are new with an old design.

2. I have never seen in person a nokia smartphone. only treo's and blackberrys. and i like the treo and palm os alot. sad they made a windows version. thats like apple putting windows on their MB's(ibooks) and calling it MBw, with the mac version coming out in a few months.

3. I thought i heard somewhere that apple was droping motorola. maybe i am wrong, but that was my basis for my coment on switching.

I wish apple would make an iPhone that works with verizon. the only way i could get it:(

[Anonymous Freak]

This all well and true but have you looked at the compatibility of Nokia phones with OSX compared to that of Sony Ericsson phones. It just doesn't give you the impression that they are working together all that closely. Nokia do make good phones but over the years have neglected technology and haven't put things like bluetooth into their phones....WHY? you have to wonder.

Odd, my Nokia N-Gage has Bluetooth, and syncs through iSync as well as any other device. Sony-Ericsson may have been the first company to support syncing over Bluetooth with iSync; but Nokia is just as compatible.

Just look at Apple's iSync Compatibility (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/devices.html) page. You see that all Nokia 'series 60 smartphones' (which is all of them on the list,) support Bluetooth syncing of Address Book, add book pictures, Calendar, and To Do items. Only SE's high end P-series phones support all of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if SonyEricsson surprised everyone due to the fact that they have 2 very interesting phones about to be launched the W950i and M600i which will both have touch screen interfaces. The W950i is also going to have 4gb flash memory and the ability to have album art. All this is also running on the symbian platform. Sony don't have a desktop interface for music that is popular so I can see them using iTunes to interface with their phone.

Except SonyEricsson is (surprise) half owned by Sony, who has their own music agenda. That's why a SE phone is marketed as a 'Walkman'.

I'm not saying SE phones are bad, I happen to have had access to an N-Gage for free, otherwise I would have bought an SE phone; just that Nokia isn't as bad as you think they are.

[Anonymous Freak]

1. I am serious about not knowing anyone with a new nokia phone. I still see some onld ones, but maybe they are new with an old design.
That's not too big a deal. I don't know anyone with a Blackberry, or a Treo, or a Motorola 'smartphone'. I know plenty of people with non-smartphones (Motorola RAZR, SE 68i, other 'plain cellphones',) but none who have anything that would qualify as a 'smartphone', other than my own Nokia N-Gage.

2. I have never seen in person a nokia smartphone. only treo's and blackberrys. and i like the treo and palm os alot. sad they made a windows version. thats like apple putting windows on their MB's(ibooks) and calling it MBw, with the mac version coming out in a few months.

That's probably because Nokia makes 'smartphones' that look like normal phones, not half-PDA monstrosities. They have a whole line of phones that run Symbian Series 60, and are true 'smartphones'. Treos are PDAs with a cell phone crammed in. Blackberries are portable IM devices with a cell phone crammed in. Nokia's smartphones are more of a cell phone with good PDA features added.

[Chundles]

1. I am serious about not knowing anyone with a new nokia phone. I still see some onld ones, but maybe they are new with an old design.

2. I have never seen in person a nokia smartphone. only treo's and blackberrys. and i like the treo and palm os alot. sad they made a windows version. thats like apple putting windows on their MB's(ibooks) and calling it MBw, with the mac version coming out in a few months.

3. I thought i heard somewhere that apple was droping motorola. maybe i am wrong, but that was my basis for my coment on switching.

I wish apple would make an iPhone that works with verizon. the only way i could get it:(

I noticed a distinct lack of Nokia phones in the US and Canada, lots of Motos and SE's and a bunch of those "smartphones" I hear so much about. Everywhere else I have been however has shown that Nokia phones are by far the most popular.

[Dalriada]

There is a huge difference in quality between Nokia and SE/Moto and I'm not talking from the outside. Moto may make rather good looking phones but they do not last... so I'd be real pleased to see Nokia & Apple gettin back closer together and marketing some cool well built products together :D

[ZeroSixty]

I can squash this rumour, the pics were created by user 'AF' from mobile-review.com

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=324037&postcount=262
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=324642&postcount=365

They were not supposed to be very convincing, just to show what he wanted Nokia to do ;)

[kntgsp]

Gosh that would be sweet. I was looking for a new phone anyway.

[Max on Macs]

I would really like to see Apple release iTunes for Series 60, as well as that lovely looking Apple theme for Series 60. Firstly because then I'd be able to have iTunes on a phone as I need a Series 60 phone to run the magnification software I use to see the screen and secondly because while I don't use my phone much for listening to music I do occasionally and I'd like an iTunes app rather than the useless system Nokia currently includes. Also, with a bit of luck this would mean that iSync would FINALLY work with the phones that my magnification software supports, and that I will soon be able to sync my iCal, Mail, iTunes and more to my Nokia N70 via bluetooth :D

Of course, Apple could release their own phone, and include Universal Access in the operating system - that would be very, very nice!

[SilvorX]

I'm used to Nokia's phones being too bulky/oldschool for me but recently Nokia seems to be making some pretty nice phones, I wouldnt mind seeing Apple help out on a Nokia phone for some software, since they did help out with Safari (IIRC?), so why not go all the way and bring iTunes as well?

[rockthecasbah]

it's hideous. At the present there are NO itunes compatible phones that are attractive. Designers, just because something is iTunes compatible doesn't mean it has to be ugly...:mad:

yes i know about the new Razr one ;)

[chasepgh]

So Nokia have supposedly forgotten how to spell 'calendar', and can't work out how to set leading correctly on Illustrator (I mean, there needs to be a good bit more space between 'iTunes + Nokia' and 'New: the first...').

And what's 'Frontrow'? Apple call it Front Row.

Not one of the more convincing fakes out there.

um, euro spelling? (or an idiot that can't spell made a really nice looking fake! lol) and I can buy it coming out over seas but not in the us, unless cingular carries the phone, forget it. and i think cingular will drop the itunes phones soon anyway. everyone is launching their own music servcies.

[maxterpiece]

Motorola cell phones are horrible. They look pretty and usually have decent technical specs, but it has been my experience that they fall apart, and the software they use on them is by far the most annoying software of any cell phone.

I've never owned a Nokia, but if you look around you, you'll notice that most people who are still using their phones from like the year 2000 have clunky old Nokias that they refuse to give up. They make a quality product.

I think the cell phone industry is missing the same kind of product that the MP3 market was missing before the iPod: something that is stylish, and at the same time, totally user friendly and full of useful and easy to use features. Nokia would make a good partner for apple if they don't go it alone.

[iMeowbot]

So Nokia have supposedly forgotten how to spell 'calendar',
Maybe it is supposed to be "calender", and the new Nokia phones will have miniature laminating machines built in!

[Prom1]

That's probably because Nokia makes 'smartphones' that look like normal phones, not half-PDA monstrosities. They have a whole line of phones that run Symbian Series 60, and are true 'smartphones'. Treos are PDAs with a cell phone crammed in. Blackberries are portable IM devices with a cell phone crammed in. Nokia's smartphones are more of a cell phone with good PDA features added.

LMAO! Man if only you truely knew the full power of a RIM BlackBerry! They are the only phones that can be software/firmware upgraded (well with just this feature their not alone anymore as SE phones new ones can, PocketPC/Smartphone from MS will many issues & unit diversities making it more than a chore; RIM where the pioneers in this regard for 4 years running) & downgraded (still the only units that can downgrade after a successful or failed upgrade by the owner with FULL warranty support!). BlackBerry's are incredible with reception (actually the only phones that not only tell you BARS for signal strength but if you have one you can goto Options>Status and see the signal strength rating as -78/ect dBm rating). Furthermore look at all the ppl wearing suits and look what their using. Their all speaking, IM, emailing - you know the recent 1.5yr craze of receiving your email in realtime ... um that started with RIM BlackBerry's not the Danger Inc Sidekick/Hiptops or anything else. And I do mean realtime. Scheduling is upmost including the Ajenda view. Please spend a week to play with one and not just read the news headlines to inform yourself about a wireless unit.

Um did you know that RIMS BlackBerry's are the only 1 complete solution to wirelessly secure (lock if lost/theft) firmware/software (complete firmware or individual software upgrade a specific software) wirelessly over GPRS/EDGE (depending on the unit, ie 7290=GPRS, 8700r/c=EDGE) ?!!! Sure their are some pocketpc's & Treo 600/650s that can with the competing GoodLink Technologies to do the same but again thats not a complete unit for unit on either of those OS' supported (ex not all MS smartphones are supported for such tasks by GoodLink)!!

Now this Nokia N80 is a real device but NO iTunes support. No question their; look, or download my photo I posted and take a look at the information of it. It'll tell you that it was made with Photoshop CS on a Macintosh, lol. Looks good doesnt it, ;)

By the way In Canada & the US their are plenty of Nokia phones; most by contract (6102,6282 new, 3120, 3300, etc etc) by Rogers, Cingular, Tmobile, etc but smartphone wise I only know of the N-Gage carried in Canada by Fido, and in the US by Tmobile along with the 3650/60 by Tmobile. Their S60 phones are much more popular around the world.

Oh yeah someone though that 3G is more popular than EDGE? are you crazy?!
EDGE is in Canada & US Nationwide! Its also in Australia, South America in many countries full country coverage, and also no in France, a few countries in Africa, and in Italy nationwide for some time as well. It has more worldwide coverage than 3G due to its seemless integration with GPRS and low cost to implement & deploy. That will begin to change soon by mid 2006 though.

[Xeem]

I'll keep my Nokia observations relatively short:

1. I own an N-Gage QD, which came free with a contract the week the PSP was released, and it syncs perfectly with iCal and Address Book via Bluetooth on my iBook.

2. I have never seen anyone else with a Nokia smartphone, but I think the most popular phone I see (by some measure) is the Nokia 6010; it is not a smartphone, but it is very popular for those on a budget.

3. I would buy an N80 if it had iTunes, period. I want one anyways, and I feel that music functionality would finally make it a justifiable purchase.

[corywoolf]

Motorola cell phones are horrible. They look pretty and usually have decent technical specs, but it has been my experience that they fall apart, and the software they use on them is by far the most annoying software of any cell phone.

I've never owned a Nokia, but if you look around you, you'll notice that most people who are still using their phones from like the year 2000 have clunky old Nokias that they refuse to give up. They make a quality product.

I think the cell phone industry is missing the same kind of product that the MP3 market was missing before the iPod: something that is stylish, and at the same time, totally user friendly and full of useful and easy to use features. Nokia would make a good partner for apple if they don't go it alone.

ah-men to that, I just bought a new RAZR V3 from moviecutter and it is pretty good, but I went through 2 V180s that were defective (in a row) and finally just kept one of the defective ones and could only use speakerphone for a year. I like the solidness of the RAZR, but the usability is still horrendous.

[Anonymous Freak]

LMAO! Man if only you truely knew the full power of a RIM BlackBerry! They are the only phones that can be software/firmware upgraded (well with just this feature their not alone anymore as SE phones new ones can, PocketPC/Smartphone from MS will many issues & unit diversities making it more than a chore; RIM where the pioneers in this regard for 4 years running) & downgraded (still the only units that can downgrade after a successful or failed upgrade by the owner with FULL warranty support!). BlackBerry's are incredible with reception (actually the only phones that not only tell you BARS for signal strength but if you have one you can goto Options>Status and see the signal strength rating as -78/ect dBm rating). Furthermore look at all the ppl wearing suits and look what their using. Their all speaking, IM, emailing - you know the recent 1.5yr craze of receiving your email in realtime ... um that started with RIM BlackBerry's not the Danger Inc Sidekick/Hiptops or anything else. And I do mean realtime. Scheduling is upmost including the Ajenda view. Please spend a week to play with one and not just read the news headlines to inform yourself about a wireless unit.

Yes, RIM started it. I never said anything that they didn't. As for upgradeable/downgradable? S60 phones can do that, too. S60 phones have lots more third-party software available than anything but Palm, including software that duplicates all of the functionality you espouse above. I had a Crackberry as part of my job a few years ago. I just didn't like it. It felt too much like it was just a two-way pager. Yes, I've played with the newer ones, and they're a little better; but S60 is still a better smartphone OS. Palm and Windows are just too bloated, and RIM and SE are just too awkward to use. S60 is both fast, and simple; yet it does everything I've ever found I needed in a smartphone. (I wish more S60 phones were avaialble in the U.S. The N-Gage really has a crappy form factor for a phone; at least I have a Bluetooth headset.)

[Sammis89]

Even if the phone is a fake, i cant wait till nokia does some kind of phone with apple. I lvoe nokias. They have the best interfave, IMHO, and i think that the craftsmanship of nokia mixed with the style, craftsmanship, and reliability of apple would be a match made in heaven.

[Prom1]

...S60 phones can do that, too. S60 phones have lots more third-party software available than anything but Palm, including software that duplicates all of the functionality you espouse above. I had a Crackberry as part of my job a few years ago. I just didn't like it. It felt too much like it was just a two-way pager. Yes, I've played with the newer ones, and they're a little better; but S60 is still a better smartphone OS. Palm and Windows are just too bloated, and RIM and SE are just too awkward to use. S60 is both fast, and simple; yet it does everything I've ever found I needed in a smartphone. (I wish more S60 phones were avaialble in the U.S. The N-Gage really has a crappy form factor for a phone; at least I have a Bluetooth headset.)

Wrong; name 1 just 1 S60 phone out right now that you can upgrade then downgrade the firmware?! Even with voiding the firmware its NOT possible (6600/6620/6630/6280/6682/N70/N90/3650/3660/7610/3230/N-Gage/N-Gage QD; etc) NON of them you can upgrade the firmware yourself without voiding the warranty. And even with the N90 I still think the CPU vs the higher resolution is too slow. UIQ as an interface (the current 2.1 & upcoming 3.0) is much faster than the S60; although the N91/N80/N61/E61/e62/e70 will ALL change that with FOTA (firmware over the air upgrade) features.

Remember SE has had a LONG history of making convergence devices ... slightly longer than Nokia had with the 9100 series devices (even before Symbian/Epoc based core devices); Ericsson with the R360 was the very first smatphone of is kind, ever bar none. it had 3 generations the third being based on Epoc which evolved to Symbian when Psion sold its wares to an open group that it is today.

N80 I'm still reluctant to buy although I love its design & features .... no dedicated volume keys is a pain for my needs ... so the SE P990i with 802.11g will suffice as my K750i upgrade (I just got the phone 3 weeks ago & you can tell I'm a phone whore; the 6620 served its purpose and was fun but GPRS/EDGE data centric apps that made it productive was costly; without unlimited internet.

Those that want the N80 purchase it even without iTunes.

[Xeem]

Those that want the N80 purchase it even without iTunes.

I want the N80, but I almost certainly won't buy one unless it has iTunes. If it comes with iTunes, I can ALMOST justify it, and I'll do my best to get one.

[Xeem]

Double post, sorry.

[mjstew33]

Interesting. I'd buy it if it works for Verizon.