New iMacs and 10.2.4 Coming...

[MacRumors]

ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/ilifehardwaredelay.html) reports that hardware upgrades are coming:



In fact, the delay has nothing to do with iLife itself or its applications, but rather the forthcoming upgrades to iMacs and other hardware, sources said.

They even give February 3rd as a tentative date.

A reliable MacRumors source confirms that new iMacs are coming in the next few week.

15" and 17" models will be updated with a few feature upgrades in the 17" model, while the 15" model will remain a "true basic model". No 19" model will be released. Despite a seemingly undramatic upgrade, they are expected to be seen as a good value.

[wdw_]

I've been runing 10.2.4 for over a week now.:)

[ennerseed]

I have a couple of things on order from the Apple Store and they give a Feb 4 shipping date. So maybe there are things going to happen around then.

[beez7777]

I think this is a very good thing. The iMacs, although good as they are, desperately need an update. Don't get me wrong, i have a 17", and couldnt be happier. I would really like to see cheaper prices for the most part; the hard drive in the top of the line is plenty, i dont know how long its gonna take me to fill. a nicer video card would be cool, hopefully a 64 MB one. im glad that there will be no 19". i think that the 17 is a perfect size for the average prosumer such as myself. also, 933 mHz clock speeds would be nice, they havent gotten a speed upgrade for over a year. cheers :)

[MrMacMan]

Darn and I just got my 17" too... oh well...
:(
Well do people really need the 19".
We should have a poll, I mean 17" is really nice but 19" I can imagine would be enormous.

Whatever apple, you baffle me once again.

Originally posted by wdw_
I've been runing 10.2.4 for over a week now.:)

Someone either knows someone else or got it leaked. BTW, anything new?

[Titanium.X]

That doesn't make any sense. If the new iMacs come preloaded with the four applications making up iLife what other reason would they have to delay it other than software issues? Why would they want to sell the iLife retail package only after the new iMacs have been announced if they already come with them? I don't see why new hardware would delay the release of iLife at all.

Now if iDVD 3 is not ready yet or if iLife requires 10.2.4 then that would delay the new iMacs if they are to come preloaded with it. So clearly the software would be the holdup not the hardware as ThinkSecret suggests.

Also, it doesn't make sense to say they are waiting for new hardware to release iLife (January 31st) and then go on to say that said hardware will be announced later (February 4th). They have it backwards.

Titanium.X

[Griffindor73]

10.2.4!!!!

I am still trying to download the rediculusly (is that a word?) sized 10.2.3 update- 50mb is just too large a file when you just have a phone line that drops out after about two hours- what happened to the good old days when they used to do them in 20Mb chunks??? (Remember the 9.2 update- that was a sensible way to do it!) Fine if you have broadband- not good if you don't!

However-new iMac would be very welcome- will it be 1GHz- or more.......? (Falls into dream of 1.2Ghz....)

[Titanium.X]

Originally posted by Macrumors

A reliable MacRumors source confirms that new iMacs are coming in the next few week.

15" and 17" models will be updated with a few feature upgrades in the 17" model, while the 15" model will remain a "true basic model". No 19" model will be released. Despite a seemingly undramatic upgrade, they are expected to be seen as a good value.

Details please. Undramatic? Does that mean they won't hit 1Ghz on the high-end or what? What about Airport X and Bluetooth support?

Titanium.X

[MacFan25]

A 19" would be nice, but I think that the 17" is perfect. I love my 17". And I agree, with some of the above posters, that the iMac is due for some updates.

[mac15]

I think they will ad Bluetooth and Airport Extreme, Its almost a necessity now, with my t68i it would help out so much.

As far a proc speed, I see 800mhz - 867mhz - 933mhz. But other specs I don't really know

[HyperliteG4]

I have iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2 already...they don't require the 10.2.4 update...now, maybe iDVD does... I don't know...

[beez7777]

Originally posted by Griffindor73
10.2.4!!!!

I am still trying to download the rediculusly (is that a word?)

yup, its a word, only its spelled ridiculously. :)

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Titanium.X
That doesn't make any sense. If the new iMacs come preloaded with the four applications making up iLife what other reason would they have to delay it other than software issues?

My thoughts exactly. Either TS has their facts wrong or something more than what they are alluding to is up.

I can almost halfway sorta see Apple delaying the software if embedded in it somehow (marketing materials?) it mentioned not-yet-released hardware and for some reason Apple couldn't purge those mentions from the software (perhaps because the GM has already been burned ...). But then, as pointed out, I would expect such a delay to definitely extend past the hardware introduction, not just to three-four days prior to it ...

Something's missing here which is keeping this rumor from making sense.

Another possibility is that Apple is delaying the software for the reason listed above, but is reburning the disks without said premature disclosures. Apple store reps would then have to return/dispose of the previous set of disks, or set them aside until the hardware itself is introduced. This scenario would also explain the previous rumors that the delay stemmed from a "bad" GM sent to production.

Otherwise, ThinkSecret may well just be completely off-base. Assuming TS is right that Apple Stores are already receiving iLife disks, perhaps Apple found a killer bug just after sending the first batch out and is going to repress their initial batch with the fix in place? This would explain both the "bad GM" rumors and the assertion that dealers already have iLife disks.

Assuming dealers do have disks, the only way to know for certain would be for one of those disks to "escape" and suffer a thorough examination ...

[Fender2112]

In fact, the delay has nothing to do with iLife itself or its applications, but rather the forthcoming upgrades to iMacs and other other hardware, sources said. iLife has been delayed to correspond with the release of the new hardware, upon which the iLife applications will be pre-installed.

I want to know what the other hardware is!:D

[ctb]

Originally posted by Fender2112
In fact, the delay has nothing to do with iLife itself or its applications, but rather the forthcoming upgrades to iMacs and other other hardware, sources said. iLife has been delayed to correspond with the release of the new hardware, upon which the iLife applications will be pre-installed.

I want to know what the other hardware is!:D

Hmm... I hope it's the TiBook! I keep hearing rumors about the 15.4" LCD and it makes sense that this would make it into an iMac revision. But that makes me wonder if there will be a TiBook revision. Anybody know?

[yzedf]

15"
800MHz
128MB PC133
32MB GF2MX
CD-RW/DVD
Airport ready (old)
$1099

17"
867MHz
256MB PC133
32MB GF4MX
CD-RW/DVD (Super Drive for add'l $200)
BT
Airport ready (old)
$1399

17"
933MHz
256MB DDR
64MB GF4MX
Super Drive
BT
Airport Extreme ready
$1899

That would be cool...

:rolleyes:

[trog]

[i]I want to know what the other hardware is!:D [/B]

Check this out. I ordered a 20 gig iPod on the 12th of Jan. Expected shipping was 1-2 days. Then it was changed to 5-7 days. The next day the 5 gig iPod was "unavailable".

NOW... I get this message,


Dear Valued Apple Customer,

We appreciate your recent Apple Store Order W4XXXXXX

Due to an unexpected supply delay, we are unable to ship the following
item(s) by the date that you were originally quoted:

M8738LL/A, IPOD FOR MAC 20GB-USA
will now ship on or before 02/03/2003

Please note that product availability can change rapidly, and it is
possible that your order may ship much sooner than we anticipate. You
may even receive a shipment confirmation between the time we send this
email and the time that you read it.

If you prefer, you may change or cancel your order anytime before it
is shipped, and receive a prompt refund, by calling us at
800-676-2775 ext-56500 Mon-Fri 7am-9pm, Sat-Sun 9am-6pm (Central).

If we do not hear from you, we will continue processing your order.
You will receive an email notification once your order has been
shipped.


Sounds like new Pods are coming. Should I cancel?? Or just wait and see what happens?

[ctb]

Originally posted by yzedf
15"
800MHz
128MB PC133
32MB GF2MX
CD-RW/DVD
Airport ready (old)
$1099

17"
867MHz
256MB PC133
32MB GF4MX
CD-RW/DVD (Super Drive for add'l $200)
BT
Airport ready (old)
$1399

17"
933MHz
256MB DDR
64MB GF4MX
Super Drive
BT
Airport Extreme ready
$1899

That would be cool...

:rolleyes:

That's similar to what LoopRumors (http://www.looprumors.com/) predicted:

Fast:
15-inch LCD flat screen
800MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
DVD/CD-RW
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Faster:
17-inch LCD flat screen
867MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Fastest:
17-inch LCD flat screen
1GHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
512MB SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

[Fender2112]

Sounds like new Pods are coming. Should I cancel?? Or just wait and see what happens?

Unless you really have to have it, I'd cancel and wait to see what happens in the next few weeks.

[greenstork]

Take it for what its worth but we my workplace has been having numerous problems with an old iMac. We just got a quite a bit of work done on this iMac that did nothing to solve the problem. Disgruntled by the quality of service, we asked for our money back and to take back the new parts and reinstall the old. In typical crappy customer service fashion, they denied our request. However, she did say that she would put a refund towards a new computer purchase. She indicated that Apple would soon be reducing the price of their iMac computers in the next couple of weeks. I hope old Westwind Computers (in Seattle) gets in trouble for letting this cat out of the bag, they really screwed us on this old iMac. I believe this story in light of all of the other rumors surfacing about iMacs.

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by Titanium.X
That doesn't make any sense. If the new iMacs come preloaded with the four applications making up iLife what other reason would they have to delay it other than software issues? Why would they want to sell the iLife retail package only after the new iMacs have been announced if they already come with them? I don't see why new hardware would delay the release of iLife at all.

Titanium.X

It could be something as simple as someone screwed up the master disc somehow. And it was not caught till the first batch was already run. Frisbees anyone?

I find it even more likely sufficient bugs were found that a slight delay to kill some major ones was covered up by a GM excuse.

Sometimes insanely great is better when it is not also insanely fast.

Rocketman

[Sonofhaig]

Take it for what its worth but we my workplace has been having numerous problems with an old iMac.

>>>>>>>>>

Old imac. Classic old, or new old?
And what was the problem?
Just wondering.....

Either way, I'm looking forward to these updates!

-Sonof

[MrMacMan]

If I can get some clarity, I heard someone has 10.2.4, mind letting us in on what is new?
Maybe we can shed some light on this...

[Sol]

If anyone here has OS X.2.4 they are either: an Apple employee, or someone who downloaded warez.

I agree that new desktops will be released by Apple and possibly even new iPods but the reason for the delay may well be related to the war. After all, who would give a damn what new computers are available when on the same day Dubya starts a war?

[praetorian_x]

Originally posted by Sol
I agree that new desktops will be released by Apple and possibly even new iPods but the reason for the delay may well be related to the war. After all, who would give a damn what new computers are available when on the same day Dubya starts a war?

<laugh/> Now *there's* a first. I've seen W blamed for an awful lot of stuff, but I've never seen him blamed for delaying apple hardware.

Hell, if Gore were president, he would have *invented* the 970 and had it in production for six months by now...

Cheers,
prat

[JW Pepper]

How about the new machines have "Gobi" chips and the support for Gobi is on the iLife disks. Hence the delay.

:D :D :D :D :D

[yzedf]

Originally posted by ctb
[B]

That's similar to what LoopRumors (http://www.looprumors.com/) predicted:

Looks good besides 1GHz... I can't see that happening. PowerMac sales suck enough as it is... :(

[bbarnhart]

Originally posted by Sol
If anyone here has OS X.2.4 they are either: an Apple employee, or someone who downloaded warez.
...

Someone who is an Apple software developer and is testing their products with the new OS.

[yosoyjay]

Originally posted by yzedf


Looks good besides 1GHz... I can't see that happening. PowerMac sales suck enough as it is... :(

No crap PowerMac sales suck. I'm looking for a new desktop and there is no way I'm buying a PowerMac. The way I see it I have two options. If I give in and submit to immediate gratification I will buy the new iMacs when they are released if they include Bluetooth & 802.11g. If I am patient, and/or if Bluetooth & 802.11g are not included with the iMac updates, I will wait until there is a 970 based PowerMac. No way I am going to buy a PowerMac as is because they are overpriced and outdated.

[bentmywookie]

Originally posted by yosoyjay


No crap PowerMac sales suck. I'm looking for a new desktop and there is no way I'm buying a PowerMac. The way I see it I have two options. If I give in and submit to immediate gratification I will buy the new iMacs when they are released if they include Bluetooth & 802.11g. If I am patient, and/or if Bluetooth & 802.11g are not included with the iMac updates, I will wait until there is a 970 based PowerMac. No way I am going to buy a PowerMac as is because they are overpriced and outdated.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the iMac updates will have bluetooth and Airport Extreme. The max speed (and this is wishful thinking) on these updates will be 1.25 ghz - nothing impressive whatsoever, so stuff like BT and AE need to be there to make the update look semi-worthwhile.

Even then, that's not enough, so I would expect (fake) DDR RAM and a better graphics card. Firewire 800? maybe.

[bbowdon]

While it might not make sense from an engineering perspective to delay an Apple software announcement to coincide with a hardware announcement (prompting theorists on this board to muse about what could "really" be up) -- such a decision would be absolutely understandable from a PR point-of-view, particularly if the delays we're talking about are just a few days or weeks.

Public relations initiatives cost money, and that's why announcements are almost always grouped together by just about every company looking for an efficient PR bang for its buck.

If there were some unresolved issue with production or even documentation pertaining to a new iMac upgrade or a new iLife software component, it would make sense to get all the ducks in a row first, allowing for a more impactful product announcement second.

-- Bob
Former Engineer turned Media Guy

[mangoman]

Originally posted by praetorian_x


<laugh/> Now *there's* a first. I've seen W blamed for an awful lot of stuff, but I've never seen him blamed for delaying apple hardware.

Hell, if Gore were president, he would have *invented* the 970 and had it in production for six months by now...

Cheers,
prat

Exactly.

[Sol]

Those of you saying that iMacs and PowerMacs are too slow will not be satisfied until you use an Intel or AMD processor. The Mac platform has always used a different architecture to Windows boxes and this makes GHz comparisons between different processors nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Macs use PPC processors that are more efficient than x86 processors. This is why an x86 processor needs to have the highest GHz rating regardless of heat issues (which explains why only Apple could manufacture fanless iMacs & Cubes). If GHz is all that matters to you go spend (waste?) your money on a PeeCee. The fact remains that only Apple sells computers like the iMac, iBook, Powerbook and the PowerMac.

[ennerseed]

Originally posted by Sol
If anyone here has OS X.2.4 they are either: an Apple employee, or someone who downloaded warez.


I do believe the new AI Powerbooks are shipping with 10.2.4.

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by yosoyjay


I'm looking for a new desktop and there is no way I'm buying a PowerMac. The way I see it I have two options. If I give in and submit to immediate gratification I will buy the new iMacs when they are released if they include Bluetooth & 802.11g. If I am patient, and/or if Bluetooth & 802.11g are not included with the iMac updates, I will wait until there is a 970 based PowerMac. No way I am going to buy a PowerMac as is because they are overpriced and outdated.

I'm in the same boat. I've decided to buy the new iMac when it comes out. I've got to upgrade very soon and would love to buy a tower but...1) why buy a computer that (probably) won't be upgradeable with the 970 technology and 2) don't know when it will be exactly be released? So I'll buy a new iMac and probably (hopefully) buy a 970 AlBook in a year or two.

I'm not expecting a major jump in speed though it would be nice to have. I think we'll mainly see new hardware (FW2, APEx, BT, etc) and hopefully iLife added too if it's not delayed agian. ;) :p

[G4scott]

Hey, I'm not sure if this is just an iMovie 3 thing or what, but look at the buttons here...

http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/ilifeimovie3images/kenburnseffect.jpg

The shadows below the buttons are gone... Is just a new part of the brushed metal apps, or a 10.2.4 update thing?

[Capt. Obvious]

Originally posted by Rocketman

Frisbees anyone?
Nah - SKEETS!!

Those shiny little disks make great targets! And they shatter so nicely when you hit one....

[Greenlightboi]

I think we will definitly see 1 Ghz... remember when the new slot loading DV SE iMacs came out? They had the 400 Mhz G3s in them, which b4 was only heard of in the Yosemite Towers, which at that point were just ceaseing production at that point.... so, not the same case scenrio, but maybe?

I also would expect a new Keyboard and mouse design... at this point, correct me if I'm wrong, but its been three years with these Pro devices? It would make sense... they would be bluetooth enabled. And of course the new iMacs will have Airport eXtreme... Apple would never release a new computer with old technology, lol, I mean, at least technology they are pushing. And oh yeah, I think Firewire 800 will be there as a poor excuse for no USB 2.0.

Sound about right to you? Speed bumps, mild updates?

[Wano]

I hope that the top end iMac will have at least a 1Ghz processor. Would it hurt the PowerMac sales if they had that plus an L3 cache?...cause the L3cache in a iMac would be sweet!

[Greenlightboi]

oh yeah... Gore is an idiot, ok? Lets keep politics outta this....

[Wano]

hopefully it will have a better graphics card and and ddr!...i can't wait to find out!

[Fender2112]

Originally posted by Sol
Those of you saying that iMacs and PowerMacs are too slow will not be satisfied until you use an Intel or AMD processor. The Mac platform has always used a different architecture to Windows boxes and this makes GHz comparisons between different processors nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Macs use PPC processors that are more efficient than x86 processors. This is why an x86 processor needs to have the highest GHz rating regardless of heat issues (which explains why only Apple could manufacture fanless iMacs & Cubes). If GHz is all that matters to you go spend (waste?) your money on a PeeCee. The fact remains that only Apple sells computers like the iMac, iBook, Powerbook and the PowerMac.

I don't think anyone here is comparing x86 to PPC MHz. We are anxious for speed bumps or a new chip (970) that will put the PPC back in the race. It's time we get a faster machine: faster bus speed, faster ram, faster cpu. The 166 Mhz will allow the cpu to top out at 1.33GHz (8x) to 1.66 GHz (10x), 1.25 GHz is only 7.5x ... alot of room for improvement. True DDR ram sounds good, when we get it. The sum of the parts of a Mac need to be faster than the sum of the parts of a PC.

[nickmcghie]

Originally posted by Griffindor73
10.2.4!!!!

I am still trying to download the rediculusly (is that a word?) sized 10.2.3 update- 50mb is just too large a file when you just have a phone line that drops out after about two hours- what happened to the good old days when they used to do them in 20Mb chunks??? (Remember the 9.2 update- that was a sensible way to do it!) Fine if you have broadband- not good if you don't!

jump on the technology bandwagon and get broadband then ;)

[Sol]

If only your wagon had easy access to us as it does in your part of the woods. In Australia for example subscriptions with ADSL modems have single digit GB restrictions per month so fast Net is something different to us here. OS X is obviously running in its best on a fast network and with local content, such as the maps offered to American users of Sherlock

[sonny]

any chance apple will use the 15.4" powerbook screen for that 15" imac???

the way i see it, if they wanna continue the widescreen thing throughout their line up, it would be the only way to go, and cost effective as well seeing as apple has to have it for the powerbooks already.

and it would offer a better resolution at 1280x? right?

that would be sweet, especially at $1199

[bentmywookie]

My gripe on the iMacs is this - how can they have these machines out for over a year now and only have a $100 price drop in them?? This really seems ridiculous to me. The specs on the high-end 15" are pretty laughable too - GeForce 2 MX?? - no wonder the 17" is the top seller.

I think apple's prices on their laptop lines are fairly competitive, but damn, they don't really do much for you with the iMacs.

$100 price drop over a year is a joke, especially for the hardware in the iMac which was already so-so when it first debuted.

[Sol]

So-so does not get you a cover-story on Time Magazine. The iMacs like all of Apple's best is years ahead of the other 95% in the computer industry. As for the slow upgrades, this is not a good time for retail spending and Apple has little incentive to release new products early if no one is rushing to buy.

[yamadataro]

I'm still confused about the 10.2.4 release thingy. I saw my friend's brand new PowerBook running 10.2.4. I guess it's out already?

She bought it in Tokyo on January 12th. It came with 10.2.4 pre-installed... No, I was not drunk when I saw that! I tried to install 10.2.3 update for her. The OS refused to accept it. Checked profile, and it said 10.2.4.

Weird.

[MorganX]

NEC is selling the Valuestar FS. It's only being sold in Japan and Russia right now, but it's sure to make it's way to the US. It only has a 1.7Ghz Celeron but it has a TV Tuner, USB, and Firewire. The 17" widescreen LCD contains center, left, and right speakers.

PC hardware will compete with the iMac but there will still be no integrated PC equivalent to iMac and iLife. Even at a significantly lower price, I think I'm going to support Apple on this one. If they can get to 1GHz, maybe, maybe 933MHz with a better video card, more RAM, AE, FW800, and BT with a meaningful price drop ($200 drop for top model) I'll still buy into the iMac.

The sooner the better. I'm tired of waiting on Wintel to get at cool as the Mac and I'll pay a little extra.

Hurry up Apple, while the choice is still an easy one.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by MorganX
NEC is selling the Valuestar FS. It's only being sold in Japan and Russia right now, but it's sure to make it's way to the US. It only has a 1.7Ghz Celeron but it has a TV Tuner, USB, and Firewire. The 17" widescreen LCD contains center, left, and right speakers.

PC hardware will compete with the iMac but there will still be no integrated PC equivalent to iMac and iLife. Even at a significantly lower price, I think I'm going to support Apple on this one. If they can get to 1GHz, maybe, maybe 933MHz with a better video card, more RAM, AE, FW800, and BT with a meaningful price drop ($200 drop for top model) I'll still buy into the iMac.

The sooner the better. I'm tired of waiting on Wintel to get at cool as the Mac and I'll pay a little extra.

Hurry up Apple, while the choice is still an easy one.
That is one ugly mofo (I'm talking about the PeeCee, of course :D).

NicoMan

[nickmcghie]

Originally posted by Sol
If only your wagon had easy access to us as it does in your part of the woods. In Australia for example subscriptions with ADSL modems have single digit GB restrictions per month so fast Net is something different to us here. OS X is obviously running in its best on a fast network and with local content, such as the maps offered to American users of Sherlock

well, you're the consumer, so let the phone and cable companies know what you want... trust me, broadband is totally worth it, it completely changed my life :p

as for blaming apple for providing US-only local content and complaining that you're in australia, i'm sorry, but i don't buy that... i lived in taiwan until i came here (to LA) just 4 months ago to attend college, and even without all the local content there, broadband still was totally worth it :D

[JBracy]

Originally posted by Sol
If anyone here has OS X.2.4 they are either: an Apple employee, or someone who downloaded warez.

Don't forget Apple developers. I've just started working for a company that has a paid ADC membership, and access to 10.2.4 (build 6l15) from Apple's developer site.

I haven't bothered downloading it yet, as it's 80MB.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Sol
Actually I do have broadband but I cannot say the same about the majority of my fellow countrymen. I was not complaining about living in Australia - better here than in gun-crazy, enviromentally pollutting, we-are-civilised-but-still-execute-prisoners America. Sherlock and iPhoto should work the same in whatever country one is using them.

AMEN

I'm with you 100%.

NicoMan

[JBracy]

Originally posted by Sol
Actually I do have broadband but I cannot say the same about the majority of my fellow countrymen. I was not complaining about living in Australia - better here than in gun-crazy, enviromentally pollutting, we-are-civilised-but-still-execute-prisoners America. Sherlock and iPhoto should work the same in whatever country one is using them.

Let's keep politics out of this shall we.

Sherlock and iPhoto do "work" the same, they just don't have localised content, or agreements with third parties outside the US to provide services. Probably because the services outside the US are greedy. In the UK the equivalent to the Yellow Pages web site charges a per use fee. Obviously Apple couldn't link into that, without incurring huge charges.

[melchior]

the australian yellowpages and whitepages are free and excellent. as is the japanese.

sounds like the uk is the greedy one.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by JBracy


Let's keep politics out of this shall we.

Sherlock and iPhoto do "work" the same, they just don't have localised content, or agreements with third parties outside the US to provide services. Probably because the services outside the US are greedy. In the UK the equivalent to the Yellow Pages web site charges a per use fee. Obviously Apple couldn't link into that, without incurring huge charges.

Hmm OK for yellow pages. But iPhoto print ordering facility (along with albums printing) is not hard to implement, UK or not. How about the dates being all displayed the US way (MMDDYY as opposed to DDMMYY or whatever is standard in your country) in Address Book or iCal (Tell you what, I can see a reply coming telling me it can be changed via a preference pane, etc... making me look stupid, but I'll take the risk I am too lazy to look thoroughly:D).

Anyway, you get the idea of Sol's (and my) complaint.

NicoMan

[JBracy]

Originally posted by NicoMan


Hmm OK for yellow pages. But iPhoto print ordering facility (along with albums printing) is not hard to implement, UK or not. How about the dates being all displayed the US way (MMDDYY as opposed to DDMMYY or whatever is standard in your country) in Address Book or iCal (Tell you what, I can see a reply coming telling me it can be changed via a preference pane, etc... making me look stupid, but I'll take the risk I am too lazy to look thoroughly:D).

Anyway, you get the idea of Sol's (and my) complaint.

NicoMan

You're correct with the date stuff, should use your "International Preferences".

Album printing requires an agreement with a third party, and apparently Apple is in talks with Kodak to implement worldwide.

I don't know about the sherlock stuff, as I'm pretty sure it's up to the content provider to allow Apple access. As most of these sites gain revenue through advertising, they are very reluctant to give access to utilities that bypass those ads. Yes, I know that there are shareware and freeware utilities that may access these sites, however, I think they would see an Apple commercial utility as more of a threat to their revenue.

[cubist]

Originally posted by nickmcghie


jump on the technology bandwagon and get broadband then ;)

If anyone is having trouble downloading updates, mail me $5 and I will burn them on a CD for you. (Do other people do this? Would anyone have a problem with this? Is $5 too low?)

[ryan]

Originally posted by cubist


If anyone is having trouble downloading updates, mail me $5 and I will burn them on a CD for you. (Do other people do this? Would anyone have a problem with this? Is $5 too low?)
Don't let Apple catch you doing this, its in violation of their license agreement. If someone is having trouble downloading updates the best thing to do is to bring their Mac to an Apple store or Apple friendly retailer (be sure to call first) and use their broadband access to download/install software.

[JBracy]

Originally posted by ryan

Don't let Apple catch you doing this, its in violation of their license agreement. If someone is having trouble downloading updates the best thing to do is to bring their Mac to an Apple store or Apple friendly retailer (be sure to call first) and use their broadband access to download/install software.

Or you can buy the update CD directly from the Apple Store for $19.95:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/57/wo/yL3DtYF3CDKz3a7cCSw1POhZX1Y/1.3.0.3.27.8.3.3.13.0

[yosoyjay]

Originally posted by Sol
The iMacs like all of Apple's best is years ahead of the other 95% in the computer industry.

Why do people insist on placing arbitrary numbers in their posts?

I think it makes people just look silly.

[cubist]

Originally posted by ryan

Don't let Apple catch you doing this, its in violation of their license agreement. If someone is having trouble downloading updates the best thing to do is to bring their Mac to an Apple store or Apple friendly retailer (be sure to call first) and use their broadband access to download/install software.

OK, if so, I'll retract the offer. I suppose if you have airport you could sit in the mall outside the store and download the update! :-)

[maximage]

Fair enough using a proper Apple Store, but do people ever consider that when they go into an Apple reseller, those guys are working on commission? Would you go into your friendly Ford dealer and expect them to tune the engine on your car for free? Well when you go and take someones time because you cant be bothered doing things for yourself (providing OS updatesd is not in the purchase agreement you make with the store) you are probably making the poor sales guy miss out on other sales on the floor or phone, which is literally food on the plate. If they charge you for their time (ie, the cd with downloaded software) they are breaking licencing laws, but if they spend time keeping your machine updated with new software, they are potentially losing money personally, not just the business. I know it's off topic, and Im posting to the wrong crowd coz most people here are obviously here because they look after things themselves, I just had to have my off topic rant! :D Its just one of my pet peeves. You may think youve spent a fortune on a machine, but the margin that the retailer, and especially the helpful salesperson sees is pitiful compared to other retail outlets. Just remeber the poor guys time you are using. He is a valuable person and resource, dont waste his time and abuse his position. Thanks for listening! ;)

[jMc]

Originally posted by JBracy
Yes, I know that there are shareware and freeware utilities that may access these sites, however, I think they would see an Apple commercial utility as more of a threat to their revenue.

You all probably know about this, but to anyone who's interested some UK Sherlock channels were released by a third party a couple of days ago... Only books and dvd/video at the moment, but they seem to work well - ordered some books from amazon.co.uk yesterday... Here they are opn VT-

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=18052&db=mac

jx

[Ambrose Chapel]

I'm pretty sure the Apple retail stores charge you for use of their connection - they had a 'data transfer' fee of 50 bucks if I remember correctly. Wouldn't other resellers have a similar charge?

Back on topic, I really hope the updated iMacs come out by the end of the month. I have a friend who is waiting to switch, and I had told her last month to wait til MWSF b/c they would surely get a speed bump then. Now I feel terrible that it's taking so long, but since she's already waited a couple of months she may as well hold out a couple more weeks.

[SmileyDude]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I'm pretty sure the Apple retail stores charge you for use of their connection - they had a 'data transfer' fee of 50 bucks if I remember correctly.

Hmmm.. this would be news to me... I've taken my iBook up to the local Apple Stores (Peabody, MA, and Salem, NH) and been able to get on the web with no problems. I haven't done this recently, so I guess it might have changed.

Besides, $50 sounds awfully high to me... I pay $50 a month for my cable modem connection. I wouldn't think of paying $50 for the privledge of using a shared connection in a mall one time... that's just insane.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by G4scott
Hey, I'm not sure if this is just an iMovie 3 thing or what, but look at the buttons here...

http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/ilifeimovie3images/kenburnseffect.jpg

The shadows below the buttons are gone... Is just a new part of the brushed metal apps, or a 10.2.4 update thing?

Go to the ThinkSecret page that hosted that image, and you'll get the explanation: the iPhoto/iMovie images were taken on Macs with (non-Apple) themes installed, which change the look of buttons et al. Hence, they don't look like what a "normal" Mac will look like. The images are to show features and relative placements, not button decorations.

[frescies]

Jezzz... I'm cursed with poor will power. I always end up getting the first Generation of EVERYTHING! (first generation Macintosh, first generation PowerPC, first generation g3 233, first generation g4-400, first generation LCD imac 17". Why can't I have enough will power to wait a year on things for the more impressive (and typically cheaper) versions!

[bigpics]

[ OFF TOPIC ]

[jMc]

Originally posted by bigpics

And, hey, in case you haven't heard, there's a WAR on. And WE didn't start it.


I'm not going to rise to this bait - does this really have anything to do with Macs?

jx

[Ambrose Chapel]

Hmmm.. this would be news to me... I've taken my iBook up to the local Apple Stores (Peabody, MA, and Salem, NH) and been able to get on the web with no problems. I haven't done this recently, so I guess it might have changed.

I'm not sure...I was at the Genius Bar at the Cambridgeside (MA) Store getting my TiBook fixed and just glanced at the price list they had. 'Data transer' was the closest thing to 'Internet use' so maybe it means something totally different.

[JBracy]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel


I'm not sure...I was at the Genius Bar at the Cambridgeside (MA) Store getting my TiBook fixed and just glanced at the price list they had. 'Data transer' was the closest thing to 'Internet use' so maybe it means something totally different.

That's the charge they make to transfer your data from an old Mac to your new Mac

[HyperliteG4]

Originally posted by SmileyDude


Hmmm.. this would be news to me... I've taken my iBook up to the local Apple Stores (Peabody, MA, and Salem, NH) and been able to get on the web with no problems. I haven't done this recently, so I guess it might have changed.


I've taken my Powerbook down to the Apple Store (Fashion Valley-San Diego) a few different times, and with my Airport have been online instantly...they didn't care at all...I downloaded one update when I was there once, and I was checking my email another time.

[freemidnight]

I've not found this upgrade (with OS software update app.).

Lots of peoples seem to have it on the Macrumors site.

Is this a rumor by itself!:D :D :D

I presently have 10.2.3.

Why my upgrade app doesn't sees it?

Are you all beta testers?:o ;)

[freemidnight]

I hope someone will answer to my post:

how did you get 10,2,4?:o :confused:

[Centris 650]

Uh-oh...before this thread gets out of hand....

Do you think that Apple will release new powermacs at the same time as iMacs? If Apple really boosts the pMacs then maybe would could see a decent iMac speed boost (above 933mhz).

I'm just wondering also when we might see a new iBook this bein' the year of the laptop and all.

Originally posted by freemidnight
I hope someone will answer to my post:

how did you get 10,2,4?:o :confused:

I think that some people are reporting that they have gotten their 12" AlBook. It should have 10.2.4 however the update is not yet out for the rest of us. Hopefully soon!

[Dont Hurt Me]

for ydzef Thought this would be the case with my 733 wanted a dual 800 or 1 gig upgrade but did not think i would get much out of it ( most stuff i use does not use SMP ) so bumped it up to 800 and will make do until the next fantastic thing to come out of apple. So tired of motorola stagnation:mad:

[rebelbear]

Assuming that Feb. 3 is the big day of the iMac release, what exactly is supposed to happen on this day? Is that the first day that we can actually order the iMac?

And here's something that I've been wondering about: During non-Apple event times, what time of the day does Apple make big announcements?

[mangoman]

The time issue...good question... anyone? Beuller?
Beuller?

[york2600]

Originally posted by Sol
Those of you saying that iMacs and PowerMacs are too slow will not be satisfied until you use an Intel or AMD processor. The Mac platform has always used a different architecture to Windows boxes and this makes GHz comparisons between different processors nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Macs use PPC processors that are more efficient than x86 processors. This is why an x86 processor needs to have the highest GHz rating regardless of heat issues (which explains why only Apple could manufacture fanless iMacs & Cubes). If GHz is all that matters to you go spend (waste?) your money on a PeeCee. The fact remains that only Apple sells computers like the iMac, iBook, Powerbook and the PowerMac.


I own a 1.2Ghz Athlon from way back in the day. My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow. Faster per Mhz, but dual processors dont add up to their respective clock in a single processor and better motherboards w/ faster buses. His motherboard has serial ata, firewire, really nice sound (spdif and all the other nice digital outs), ata 133 raid, gig ethernet, 533mhz bus, doesn't sound like a jet engine, etc etc. When Apple puts all this into a computer for about a grand I will be impressed. Till then it's kinda depressing to be a Mac user.

[JBracy]

According to reports on other sites the 12" PowerBook only has 10.2.3. It's the 17" that needs 10.2.4 and that's not shipping yet. So the only way to have 10.2.4 legally is to be an Apple developer.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by iTry
Anyone got any ideas what sort of bag I could put my (not quite bought yet!) iMac in while transporting it. I'm likely to have to take it from my university housing back to my parents' every so often and I'd like to have something to protect it and avoid some little scrote seeing what it is and mugging me!

Carry handles would be good, and something that would flat pack when i don't need it. Any ideas anyone???

I know it's off topic, but let's just say it's closer then some posts...

:rolleyes:

how about the original box? they're pretty cool boxes that apple makes. you'd have to be darn careful with an imac, as that neck has to be very very fragile to just plop in a bag that's not designed for it.

[arn]

Australia, Guns etc... discussion moved here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=18352

Further posts in this thread that are off topic will be deleted.

arn

[MacKid]

Originally posted by mangoman
The time issue...good question... anyone? Beuller?
Beuller?

I think that they might have it on a programmed timer to automatically change it on a certain day, because I remember when twice I was lucky enough to have been staying up especially late, when I clicked to the Apple site at about 1:30 in the morning, and up popped some faster iBooks and PowerBooks, so I think that maybe it's just set to change at 12:00am:D

[bentmywookie]

Originally posted by york2600



I own a 1.2Ghz Athlon from way back in the day. My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow. Faster per Mhz, but dual processors dont add up to their respective clock in a single processor and better motherboards w/ faster buses. His motherboard has serial ata, firewire, really nice sound (spdif and all the other nice digital outs), ata 133 raid, gig ethernet, 533mhz bus, doesn't sound like a jet engine, etc etc. When Apple puts all this into a computer for about a grand I will be impressed. Till then it's kinda depressing to be a Mac user.


I totally agree (well for desktops at least) - PC hardware prices drop by the day, but Macs stay pretty much the same for over a year? I don't get it - it's not like Apple's hard drives, graphics cards, and motherboards come from Shangri-La laced with platinum. Why do the prices barely go down? X, iLife, all of Apple's software is all excellent, but when Jaguar sells for $130 and iLife for $50, these can't be the reasons that desktop Macs are not dropping significantly in price.

I really hope things change once the IBM chips come in.

[ktlx]

Originally posted by york2600

My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow.

I have a system I built myself with an Intel 2.53Ghz Pentium 4 with 512MB of PC2700 memory and an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro. I had a PowerMac G4 dual 1Ghz with 1GB of PC2700 memory and an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro.

There wasn't anything the PowerMac G4 could do faster than the Pentium 4. Even in Photoshop (the most CPU demanding application that I use) the G4 was smoked by the P4. It wasn't even close.

I don't find OS X any easier to use than XP other than AppleScript being a great scripting language. So I sold the G4 for almost what I paid for it and kept only the P4 system. I like the Lian-Li brushed aluminum case much better too. It is much quieter and I never was a big fan of the PowerMac G4 case. I think it looks goofy.

I would like to get another Mac but I need expansion slots and the current crop of PowerMac G4s are overpriced and underpowered.

[pyrotoaster]

I know I'm digging up an old post, but I think I have a point worth making.
Originally posted by Titanium.X

That doesn't make any sense. If the new iMacs come preloaded with the four applications making up iLife what other reason would they have to delay it other than software issues?

Oh, but it makes so much sense!
While yes, Apple could just release iLife this weekend, and iMacs over a week later, but they want the least amount of time possible between the two.
Why?
I'm guessing that the iMac release was planned for the last week of January, but got pushed back for some reason, so Apple just pushed iLife back as well.
Apple doesn't want someone to purchase iLife for $50, and then have that new software make them decide to hold off on a new computer announced a few days later (which they would wind up paying over $1000 for).
Of course, announcing the iMacs on the same day as iLife would be crazy... for some reason...;)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by york2600



I own a 1.2Ghz Athlon from way back in the day. My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow. Faster per Mhz, but dual processors dont add up to their respective clock in a single processor and better motherboards w/ faster buses. His motherboard has serial ata, firewire, really nice sound (spdif and all the other nice digital outs), ata 133 raid, gig ethernet, 533mhz bus, doesn't sound like a jet engine, etc etc. When Apple puts all this into a computer for about a grand I will be impressed. Till then it's kinda depressing to be a Mac user. Must agree their software rocks but hardware is allways behind lets hope they will correct some of this in 2003 forget cpu's we all know about that with motorolas lil bumps----- look at bus speed --- 100mhz come on-------no ddr ram come on------Thank god for iapps,OSX, and cool looking machines!

[pyrotoaster]

It's the year of the laptop for a reason...
Apple's desktop offerings are sub-par in the speed region, but their laptops are top-notch.
If you really need a desktop, though, start saving your hard earned dollars. In the next few months IBM starts producing the PowerPC 970.
By the end of the year you'll be able to buy a Powermac with a true 64-bit processor and enough power to make the Dell Interns cry.
Sure, I'm a little optimistic, but the 970 truly is promising. It has something so similar to AltiVec Apple can continue to just call it the Velocity Engine... and clock speeds Motorola will never reach... and amazing gigaflops (don't you just love saying "Gigaflops?")... and a design that really uses DDR RAM... and it strains pasta!
Apple innovates, and there's some big innovation on its way...

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Originally posted by JBracy


Let's keep politics out of this shall we.

Sherlock and iPhoto do "work" the same, they just don't have localised content, or agreements with third parties outside the US to provide services. Probably because the services outside the US are greedy. In the UK the equivalent to the Yellow Pages web site charges a per use fee. Obviously Apple couldn't link into that, without incurring huge charges.
Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by pyrotoaster
It's the year of the laptop for a reason...
Apple's desktop offerings are sub-par in the speed region, but their laptops are top-notch.
If you really need a desktop, though, start saving your hard earned dollars. In the next few months IBM starts producing the PowerPC 970.
By the end of the year you'll be able to buy a Powermac with a true 64-bit processor and enough power to make the Dell Interns cry.
Sure, I'm a little optimistic, but the 970 truly is promising. It has something so similar to AltiVec Apple can continue to just call it the Velocity Engine... and clock speeds Motorola will never reach... and amazing gigaflops (don't you just love saying "Gigaflops?")... and a design that really uses DDR RAM... and it strains pasta!
Apple innovates, and there's some big innovation on its way...

First Pyro let me say I'm a big fan of Macunderground! (Hope you're feeling better!) Second I might be willing to wait (though there could be outside circumstances that might make it imparative to upgrade my desktop ASAP) I'm wondering...IF all goes well and taking what we know now...when at the earliest might we see 970 towers?

Thoughts?

EDIT: And just for fun and keeping this on topic...knowing Apples trickledown effect (pMacs get upgrade with new processors first then pBooks, then iMacs) when might we see 970 iMacs?

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by Centris 650

First Pyro let me say I'm a big fan of Macunderground! (Hope you're feeling better!) Second I might be willing to wait (though there could be outside circumstances that might make it imparative to upgrade my desktop ASAP) I'm wondering...IF all goes well and taking what we know now...when at the earliest might we see 970 towers?

Thoughts?

That's tough to answer, I'm thinking something like this:
IBM says the 970 should be a real reality during the second half of the year. And Apple won't announce a Powermac 970 until they're almost ready to go.

So really, the release of a new 970 Tower really depends on when in the six month long second half of the year IBM has the processor ready. But there are a couple things worth considering.

1. It won't be released in December...
2. Assuming IBM has the processor ready mid-June (I wish!) or later, it won't be in July (last time I checked, Apple wasn't in MWNY) or August.

That leaves September, October, and November. November and October seem to be big months for Apple releases (iPod, last year's iBooks and TiBooks), so I'd bet on one of those.

The last thing to consider here is Apple's desire to get this thing on the market. All the talk about slow PMs here means that Apple will want this next generation machine on the market as soon as it's ready. Personally, I'm looking into the 12" Powerbook.

BTW... yes, I'm feeling better :D

EDIT: In my opinion, 970 iMacs depend on affordable the processor is to Apple. However, MWSF04 would be a great time to release a great new consumer machine (like MWSF02!).

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel


I'm not sure...I was at the Genius Bar at the Cambridgeside (MA) Store getting my TiBook fixed and just glanced at the price list they had. 'Data transer' was the closest thing to 'Internet use' so maybe it means something totally different.

I would guess that "Data Transfer" is transferring data/settings from an old computer to a newly purchased Mac.

[artistry]

Originally posted by jMc


You all probably know about this, but to anyone who's interested some UK Sherlock channels were released by a third party a couple of days ago... Only books and dvd/video at the moment, but they seem to work well - ordered some books from amazon.co.uk yesterday... Here they are opn VT-

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=18052&db=mac

jx

I'd missed that - cheers!

Jonathan

[freemidnight]

York 2600
I own a 1.2Ghz Athlon from way back in the day. My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow. Faster per Mhz, but dual processors dont add up to their respective clock in a single processor and better motherboards w/ faster buses. His motherboard has serial ata, firewire, really nice sound (spdif and all the other nice digital outs), ata 133 raid, gig ethernet, 533mhz bus, doesn't sound like a jet engine, etc etc. When Apple puts all this into a computer for about a grand I will be impressed. Till then it's kinda depressing to be a Mac user.

I agree too!

I don't understand why Apple tries to bull peoples with their "Ilife" or If***!!!

Do they take us as granted?


...mmmmm!:mad:

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by york2600



I own a 1.2Ghz Athlon from way back in the day. My friend has a 2.2Ghz P4 that he just bought for 600 bucks minus HD/CD-R. I have a mirror door dual 867Mhz G4 that I paid about 2 grand for. The PCs smoke it. It's sad. I love Macs, but these things are damn slow. Faster per Mhz, but dual processors dont add up to their respective clock in a single processor and better motherboards w/ faster buses. His motherboard has serial ata, firewire, really nice sound (spdif and all the other nice digital outs), ata 133 raid, gig ethernet, 533mhz bus, doesn't sound like a jet engine, etc etc. When Apple puts all this into a computer for about a grand I will be impressed. Till then it's kinda depressing to be a Mac user.

Free association thought here:

Let's say for the sake of arguement this is literally true. Should Mac users buy one of these as an "accessory" to their Macs?

What software and hardware would it take to seamlessly hook the two together at highest possible transfer speed?

I use PC's for vertical market applications and single purpose jobs so the idea of a "free" server farm or pooch farm is appealing to me. Besides I can get unlimited used PC's dirt cheap.

Rocketman

[iTry]

Originally posted by Shadowfax


how about the original box? they're pretty cool boxes that apple makes. you'd have to be darn careful with an imac, as that neck has to be very very fragile to just plop in a bag that's not designed for it.

Apparently it's tougher than it looks. A magazine article I read once went through the process of chucking one down some stairs. It survived!

That said, obviously I'm not going to just bung it in a holdall! I was thinking of making a hard plastic cover for the screen, and maybe some sort of rigid support for the neck, to keep it in place. I was hoping to find a bag that has hard walls, but which collapse when you store them.

I would use the box, but I have no room to keep it in my uni house so its gonna have to stay at my parents'.

I still ain't found anything that'll do the job, so I might have to make one myself. I'll maybe make it out of aluminium, so when people ask I can say 'I have a portable, alumiunum, widescreen mac'! I think I've found a market niche! I could make millions... ;) ;) ;)

[springscansing]

Someone either knows someone else or got it leaked. BTW, anything new?

The Apple OS updates are always leaked, even the builds inbetween updates. I've had 10.2.4 on my Carracho server for quite awhile. Shhh...

[springscansing]

Originally posted by freemidnight
York 2600


I agree too!

I don't understand why Apple tries to bull peoples with their "Ilife" or If***!!!

Do they take us as granted?


...mmmmm!:mad:

You're an idiot.. damn. Apple doesn't make the chips. Moto does. They make iLife because its GREAT for some people and it draws attention away from the speed problem.

Are you that dense? God, you're all monkies.

[springscansing]

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

I live in NY, and I must agree with you. That poster was a damn idiot.

Welcome to MacRumors! ;-)

[springscansing]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Must agree their software rocks but hardware is allways behind lets hope they will correct some of this in 2003 forget cpu's we all know about that with motorolas lil bumps----- look at bus speed --- 100mhz come on-------no ddr ram come on------Thank god for iapps,OSX, and cool looking machines!

The G4 towers hae DDR ram. It just doesn't do much.

[Sol]

Isn't it a bit cynical to look at iLife and see a distraction from "the speed problem" as you call it? I bought a dual G4 Quicksilver at the end of 2001 and it still makes for a fast and reliable video workstation. In that time your PC would have propably become corrupted by virus, hardware reliability and general compatibility issues that hardly exist on the Mac. The software titles from Apple are not a distraction but proof of the benefits in building the computer and the operating system under the same roof.

[mike3k]

I suspect the reason for the delay is the new apps require 10.2.4, and they're waiting to release 10.2.4.

A 19" iMac would require a larger base, since it would be too top-heavy with the current base.

[bentmywookie]

Originally posted by Sol
Isn't it a bit cynical to look at iLife and see a distraction from "the speed problem" as you call it? I bought a dual G4 Quicksilver at the end of 2001 and it still makes for a fast and reliable video workstation. In that time your PC would have propably become corrupted by virus, hardware reliability and general compatibility issues that hardly exist on the Mac. The software titles from Apple are not a distraction but proof of the benefits in building the computer and the operating system under the same roof.


Apple's software is just tops in my book. In these hard (processor) times, they just keep pumping out great software, and you know, it's just that good that it makes it worth putting up with "ok" hardware and speed. I don't think that makes it a distraction. Apple's software is just worth it.

To go on a slight tangent though, I would like to express my thoughts on the issue of speed. It will never hurt computers (Macs or PCs) to be faster. Until ripping a CD in iTunes and encoding it into MP3 happens virtual instantaneously, Apple's can be faster.

I don't feel like they are slow (for my uses) now, but like I said, they can definitely be faster. Expressing this desire doesn't necessarily mean that Mhz are all that matters to me and that I should go use a P4.

[nighthawk]

When Apple first released the iMac, it was a 700mhz G4 processor, and the bottom of the line Powermac was the 733mhz G4 Quicksilver. It was almost too weird that the iMac would have nearly the identical setup for less and included the monitor. A few months later, the Powermacs were updated and the product line was more even.

The way I see it, this could happen again. Apple knows that their Powermac lines are suffering, but (if I was Apple marketing) they should not let that hold back the iMacs from having the good features. Once the 970 comes out for the Powermac, it will not matter anyways for a while... there will be such a difference between the iMac and Powermac.

This could happen:

Good:
800mhz G4 (100mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
No Firewire 800

Better:
933mhz G4 (133mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800

Best:
1.13ghz G4 (133mhz bus)
17" Flatpanel
Superdrive
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800

[JBracy]

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

Excuse me, but I live in the UK. My point was the the improper wording - the applications still WORK exactly how they do in the US - which is obviously not how you want them to work in other countries. Now if the applications would crash non US systems then you would have a serious complaint.

I did state that I agree that the application should take advantage of system settings and that is a valid point of feedback, but you can't blame Apple for policies set by third parties. And I know for a fact that at least in the UK third party web content providers don't want to give Apple access to their content. I also know that Apple is in talks with Kodak about providing iPhoto services worldwide.

My comments were in no way inflammatory or derogatory to anyone and definitely not deserving of the flames that have been sent regarding them. So grow up. :eek:

[cubist]

I agree with Nighthawk re the speeds, except that I would imagine that if any have FW800, they all will, since they are built on the same motherboard.

Re transporting the iMac, recently saw a TV commercial where some girls, carrying an iMac by the neck, put it in the trunk of a car unpackaged. IMHO, that's nutty (the screen, at least, is fragile!), but it's only a commercial.

The iMac is getting a lot of publicity today. Given the 'recognizability' it is attaining, I'd really like it if Apple remodels their smaller monitors to look like it, with the same arm. It can have a weighted base with a USB hub in it.

[superfula]

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

No YOUR statement is about the stupidest thing ever written. You have no clue what he's talking about, and that shows with your confusing post. What he said is true. Services like that are not usually free in Europe, that's why Apple hasn't, or possibly won't use them. That's exactly what he said.

[Sol]

Well I live in Australia and access to the Yellow Pages Online is free through a web browser. I do not think that generalising foreign (to America) companies as "greedy" is a fair assessment to the situation and it reveals a certain amount of ignorance (or stupidity).

Anyway, in regards to iPhoto and photo albums not being available to non-US citizens, Kodak would be making money out of such a service so they should offer the service internationally. If they do not then it is a matter of time before Windows users get the bragging rights for photo albums (if they do not have them allready).

It is not fair that Apple charges the same price for their OS internationally but only American users get the most value. Considering all the money Apple has made outside your country I would expect it to treat all its customers equally.

[JBracy]

Originally posted by Sol
Well I live in Australia and access to the Yellow Pages Online is free through a web browser. I do not think that generalising foreign (to America) companies as "greedy" is a fair assessment to the situation and it reveals a certain amount of ignorance (or stupidity).

Anyway, in regards to iPhoto and photo albums not being available to non-US citizens, Kodak would be making money out of such a service so they should offer the service internationally. If they do not then it is a matter of time before Windows users get the bragging rights for photo albums (if they do not have them allready).

It is not fair that Apple charges the same price for their OS internationally but only American users get the most value. Considering all the money Apple has made outside your country I would expect it to treat all its customers equally.

Yes, but I also said that these sites probably make their money from online advertising. I'm sure the YellowPages in Australia does.

Photo Album printing is available to no-US Citizens, but they have to be delivered to a US address :) (My wife a UK Citizen orders prints and has them sent to my family in the US) It's not Apple's fault that this agreement is not yet in place. I know for a fact that they are working on it.

Which country should they focus on? Apple receive 57% of their revenue from the US, so obviously they are going to focus on the US. I would assume that no other country accounts for even 10% of their revenue, so who should they focus on first? UK? Australia? Canada? Germany? France? Who?

So which are you - Ignorant or stupid? I've been in this industry for 20 years, I know Apple, I know people who work for Apple, I've worked for major Apple developers. I'm neither ignorant or stupid.

[SwitchHitter]

There's a 50% chance that the new iMac will be introduced tomorrow, on Tuesday, Jan 28 and a 50% chance it will be introduced sometime during the week of Feb. 3rd.

Don't ask me how.

[MacKid]

Originally posted by mike3k
I suspect the reason for the delay is the new apps require 10.2.4, and they're waiting to release 10.2.4.

A 19" iMac would require a larger base, since it would be too top-heavy with the current base.

Actually, one of the iMac's selling points is that it's so small, compared to a 2x4 foot beige box.

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
There's a 50% chance that the new iMac will be introduced tomorrow, on Tuesday, Jan 28 and a 50% chance it will be introduced sometime during the week of Feb. 3rd.

Don't ask me how.

I won't ask how, but I will throw in my own two cents.
New iMacs won't be released tomorrow.
Why?
Because iLife was delayed. Although we don't know when iLife will actually be released, it'll be before (or simultaneously with) new hardware.
I'm betting on February 4 for the new iMacs, and this Saturday for iLife.
edit: Saturday or Friday
edit, again: MacCentral has confirmed a January 31 iLife release.

[SwitchHitter]

My last comment stands corrected.

There is ZERO probability of the release of a new iMac tomorrow.

There is 50% probability during the week of the 3rd and ...

There is 50% probability during the week of Jan 17th (Presidents' Day).

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by JBracy

I would assume that no other country accounts for even 10% of their revenue, so who should they focus on first? UK? Australia? Canada? Germany? France? Who?


San Marino, of course. Or Liechtenstein, take your pick.

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

There's a world OUTSIDE of the U.S.? Wow, I'll be damned. There is! Hmmmm....this is going to make geography quite a bit more difficult. I thought learning the names and capitals of 50 states was bad...now I have to learn close to 200 new countries?!

P.S. I'm kidding! Although, grouping all of the countries together in the world and naming it Sweden would certainly simplify things.

[Sol]

France or Germany?! Have you not heard yet? They are "old Europe" now.

There is a whole other world out here. You should read up on it sometime.

[iTry]

The UK education apple store is being updated as I write...

What are they up to...?! New products? I hope so!

[jMc]

yeah, UK store is down...

[JBracy]

Originally posted by iTry
The UK education apple store is being updated as I write...

What are they up to...?! New products? I hope so!

Check the US site. New PowerMacs: 1gHz, dual 1.25gHz, dual 1.42gHz, FW 800 Airport extreme, New 20.1" Cinema dsiplay $1299

OK, no new iMacs today, but new PowerMacs with iLife included, so new hardware can't be the reason for the delay, unless they release the downloads today.

[macphisto]

That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???

[jMc]

Originally posted by macphisto
That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???

macphisto - i feel your pain...

[MacKid]

Originally posted by macphisto
That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???

In case you missed all the other posts, people are suggesting the first week of Feb.

[DakotaGuy]

Originally posted by MacKid


In case you missed all the other posts, people are suggesting the first week of Feb.

I don't know. The i/e mac rumor has been going on the longest and still nothing. New Powerbooks, New Power Macs and still no upgrades at all to the consumer lines. I would like a new computer. How many more weeks or months is it going to take or has Apple just fogotten about their best selling lines of computers???

[awinn233]

The updates are trickling down their computer lines. The iMac/eMac should be next, and possibly the iBook. I'm really hoping those iMacs come out Feb 3!! I'm thinking they'll lower the iMac prices significantly as with the power mac. The cheapest PM is $1500 w/ 1 gig and combo drive, yet the most expensive iMac is $2000 for 800meg w/ SuperDrive. Ooohhhhhhh! I just can't wait!

[DavPeanut]

Originally posted by MrMacman
Well do people really need the 19".
We should have a poll, I mean 17" is really nice but 19" I can imagine would be enormous.

It would be almost exactly the same as the 20 inch

[Sol]

While there is talk of war Apple would not be rushing to release consumer-class products. PowerMacs are aimed at industry and the flat panel displays are for the rich. If you are a consumer you are better off saving your money and forgetting about gadgets.

[Sol]

While there is talk of war Apple would not be rushing to release consumer-class products. PowerMacs are aimed at industry and the flat panel displays are for the rich. If you are a consumer you are better off saving your money and forget about the gadgets.

[mangoman]

Originally posted by Sol
While there is talk of war Apple would not be rushing to release consumer-class products. PowerMacs are aimed at industry and the flat panel displays are for the rich. If you are a consumer you are better off saving your money and forget about the gadgets.

"Every party needs a pooper, that's why we invited you--Party Pooper! Party Pooper!"

:D

<sigh> You're prolly right...I just wish you weren't. Thought: what if Apple's gadget has been in dev' for months--long before George started talkin' hardball--would they really delay the date? I'm talking in broad, flaming post-inducing generalities here, but-- 'They' say that corporations are sitting on their money right now. Makes sense. But that doesn't necessarily speak for consumer behavior...

(thinking out loud)

[DakotaGuy]

Originally posted by nighthawk
This could happen:

Good:
800mhz G4 (100mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
No Firewire 800

Better:
933mhz G4 (133mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800

Best:
1.13ghz G4 (133mhz bus)
17" Flatpanel
Superdrive
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800

If I had to bet money on the new iMacs/eMacs I would still bet on only 2 processor speeds being used just as now. Right now a 700 and 800Mhz machine are being offered. I think the updated will be an 867Mhz for lower end machines and 1Ghz for higher end. Just take a look at what Apple is using right now. They have not used a 933 for a long time and I have never seen a 1.13Ghz processor in my life...last...why have all these different speeds...they should use what they have in mass quanity right now that will give a good bump in performance...so I still bet on an 867 and a 1Ghz!

[rice_web]

I'm very much doubting a speed bump past the 1GHz mark, largely because the PowerMacs begin at 1GHz. However, there are many other reasons that the iMac will likely not exceed 1GHz:

(1) The G4 may or may not be clocking higher than the 1.4GHz level seen in the PowerMacs right now. If, for example, the G4 only sees the light of 1.4GHz, the iMac will need to stretch out its updates. The iMac would then have to go 1GHz now, 1.2GHz or so six months from now, and 1.4GHz one year from now. This would then put the rumored IBM 970 into the iMac at roughly MWNY 2004.

(2) Apple likely has boatloads of "slow" iMacs, and has continued to delay any release of a new iMac until those numbers decrease a bit more. Apple does not suddenly want to lower the value of its iMac line solely to offer faster machines.

(3) Don't forget, the recession is still on. Heck, the DJIA is below 8,000 again (ok, it's on a little spike right now at 8,046, but still). Granted, this is no sophisticated meter for the health of the U.S. economy, but it certainly spells the mood of the American people. America is spending less, saving more, and businesses are feeling that pinch. Apple is likely the most conservative of companies at a time like this.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by rice_web
Apple is likely the most conservative of companies at a time like this.

you know, i completely agreed until that line. did you hear about MWSF just a few weeks? did you see what they're selling their LCD panels for now? i think you'll have to retract your statement, or qualify what you mean by "conservative."

[macphisto]

Originally posted by rice_web

(2) Apple likely has boatloads of "slow" iMacs, and has continued to delay any release of a new iMac until those numbers decrease a bit more. Apple does not suddenly want to lower the value of its iMac line solely to offer faster machines.

Yeah, but it is easily for Apple to gut those machines and through in the new hardware.

[Sol]

I could tell you what 'conservative' means to me but I do not think those words are permitted in this forum.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Sol
I could tell you what 'conservative' means to me but I do not think those words are permitted in this forum.

lol, i didn't mean "what do you think of bushy boy?" or the republican national party. i meant, in context. obviously apple is not a very politically conservative company--putting carter on its homepage when he won the nobel... i am thinking more, fiscally and such.

[Crunz]

Originally posted by trog


Check this out. I ordered a 20 gig iPod on the 12th of Jan. Expected shipping was 1-2 days. Then it was changed to 5-7 days. The next day the 5 gig iPod was "unavailable".

NOW... I get this message,


Dear Valued Apple Customer,

We appreciate your recent Apple Store Order W4XXXXXX

Due to an unexpected supply delay, we are unable to ship the following
item(s) by the date that you were originally quoted:

M8738LL/A, IPOD FOR MAC 20GB-USA
will now ship on or before 02/03/2003

Please note that product availability can change rapidly, and it is
possible that your order may ship much sooner than we anticipate. You
may even receive a shipment confirmation between the time we send this
email and the time that you read it.

If you prefer, you may change or cancel your order anytime before it
is shipped, and receive a prompt refund, by calling us at
800-676-2775 ext-56500 Mon-Fri 7am-9pm, Sat-Sun 9am-6pm (Central).

If we do not hear from you, we will continue processing your order.
You will receive an email notification once your order has been
shipped.


Sounds like new Pods are coming. Should I cancel?? Or just wait and see what happens?

This is probably the wrong place to say this in this forum but dont bother with the imacs get the newest G4 have you seen the flops and Mtops of the thing???? its madness. It puts the latest PC 3.06Ghz way out of the League.

Check out this website: http://forgetcomputers.com/~jdroz/09.html

or if u cant be bothered then ill give u the gist of it all......
G4 dual 1.42 Ghz = 38,340 Mtops.
Pentium 4 3.06Ghz = 8,160 Mtops.
(Mtops = Millions of theoretical operations per second).
Thats the gist of it but it says a lot more that u ought to know on that website. Quite cool i thought, most i knew already but its a good way of replying to PC users. Send them that website address......... read it and weep....hehe ;)

[rideahyperLite]

Originally posted by Crunz


This is probably the wrong place to say this in this forum but dont bother with the imacs get the newest G4 have you seen the flops and Mtops of the thing???? its madness. It puts the latest PC 3.06Ghz way out of the League.

Check out this website: http://forgetcomputers.com/~jdroz/09.html

or if u cant be bothered then ill give u the gist of it all......
G4 dual 1.42 Ghz = 38,340 Mtops.
Pentium 4 3.06Ghz = 8,160 Mtops.
(Mtops = Millions of theoretical operations per second).
Thats the gist of it but it says a lot more that u ought to know on that website. Quite cool i thought, most i knew already but its a good way of replying to PC users. Send them that website address......... read it and weep....hehe ;)

insane