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dralfonzo
Mar 17, 2006, 10:22 AM
I posted this on the Binary Bonsai (http://www.binarybonsai.com) forums, but though that it would also be of intrest here. Before I start this post I would just like to note that i'm not a semi-deranged Windows basher in the slightest. Unlike many people I do not have a big problem with windows. I can see why people would but it doesn't really bother me. Saying that, i'm a big mac fan and of course OS X is the superiour OS :]

I was looking at some screenshots of Vista and noticed a few similarities between it, and OS X. I think it's interesting to see the features that have been 'imitated' and then maybe been improved upon/ruined. What do you think?

The pictures of Vista used are from TechRepublic.com (http://techrepublic.com/2300-10877_11-6043696-2.html).

This first one shows the 'almost' completly avaliable integrated search function thats been added to the Start bar in Vista. It's not as acessible as Spotlight (if you being picky and value your clicks) but it's the same principle.

Vista:
http://static.flickr.com/49/113733352_a67bcf1aba_o.jpg



Another feature added into Vista is the 'Gadgets' which show up on a sort of sidepanel on your screen/desktop. The gadgets feature looks quite similar to dashboard in the fact that you can choose the different 'mini apps' (widgets) that you want to have displayed. It seems more like Konfabulator in that you can interact with other applications etc while having the 'Gadgets' open;

Vista:
http://static.flickr.com/36/113733851_e5c172ce7a_o.jpg

OS X:
http://static.flickr.com/53/113733349_4997719462_o.jpg


Here you can see how the 'Gadgets' are integrated in;

http://static.flickr.com/43/113733852_6fa98e1a79_o.jpg

Yet another similar feature that seems to have made its way into the new Microsoft OS is an expose like function, which although you can't see it here in the picture - allows you to scroll through the open windows while in the 'expose' mode;

Vista:
http://static.flickr.com/46/113733853_9c7af6af0e_o.jpg

OS X:
http://static.flickr.com/19/113739455_d7fe8319c9_o.jpg

Although it's obviously not an exact copy, I think it's safe to say certain 'influences' have been made on the Vista team from OS X


The last set of similarities are not so obvious, more just little features that both systems will be using. The first is the star rating system from iTunes which has made its way into Vista;

Vista:
http://static.flickr.com/56/113733350_c9b1890088_o.jpg

OS X:
http://static.flickr.com/45/113733351_ce9d39b25f_o.jpg



...and last but not least the little image size toggle slider thing feature that can be seen in apps like iPhoto also has made its way into Vista. It amuses me to see microsoft treating its customers like dipsh*ts, they just can't leave things alone! On the slider they've marked "Extra-Large icons" and "Small icons", yet they still feel like they need to tell the user that "Medium Icons" will probably come somewhere inbetween. It's little things like this that make OS X and the rest of the Apple design ethos appear minimalistic, Apple usually realises that they don't always have to point out the obvious whereas microsoft feels the need to label and annotate everything

Vista:
http://static.flickr.com/35/113733354_7cddb8f52e_o.jpg

OS X:
http://static.flickr.com/39/113733850_34a790fe2e_o.jpg


So there we go, what does everyone else think.



yankeefan24
Mar 17, 2006, 10:27 AM
apple should make an ad campaign and show the similarities and the time. then show leopard and a new virtual pc-like app standard on all new hardware where it can run all files (such as .exe which isn't in darwine) without the windows GUI.

too similar. its sad.

drumpat01
Mar 17, 2006, 10:47 AM
the star rating system has been in windows media player since WMP10 if not before that even. other than that, good work.

Voidness
Mar 17, 2006, 10:52 AM
Nice...

From what I understand, the "Start Search" isn't equivalent to Spotlight. Start Search searches only within the Start Menu (in other words, the shortcuts in the Start Menu), so it's much more like filtering. System-wide search is located somewhere else.

Other than that, even though Vista has some nice "eye candy", the important aspects of the GUI needs a ton of work, IMO. It's all just messed up and wasted. I would point out a few examples to clarify my opinion, but I'm really not in the mood nor have time, right now.

JonHimself
Mar 17, 2006, 10:54 AM
I remember hearing about all the similarities but it's nice to see some pictures. However, I think that media player has always (or at least for like past few years) used the star rating system. I haven't used my pc for over a year (i'm completely mac-reliant now!) so I don't *really* remember but i think it did.

4JNA
Mar 17, 2006, 11:58 AM
V.I.S.T.A. (various improvements similar to apple) :cool:

Josh
Mar 17, 2006, 12:02 PM
the star rating system has been in windows media player since WMP10 if not before that even. other than that, good work.
Yeah, I laughed when I saw that.

The star rating system has been around long before either Windows or OS X.

I don't think Expose was a factor in Vistas window 'rotate' either.

That's more of an influence from Sun's Project Looking Glass - which came before Expose as well.

It seems like if Apple copies company X, and MS copies company X as well, rather than being seen as both copying company X, MS somehow copied Apple.

And the comparison to Windows explorer's icon selector (ie - the actual file browser that works across the entire system) to one single app (iPhoto) in OS X is pretty weak.

No need to look for signs of 'copying' that aren't there. Of course if you want to find evidence of copying, you will see it no matter what, copying or not.

From the pics posted, Vista is hardly a copy of OS X.

bousozoku
Mar 17, 2006, 12:11 PM
That's great...yeah, whatever. Mac OS X borrows from a number of things, too. (I wish that it borrowed the open/save dialog boxes from Windows. I'd like to rename things while I'm in there.)

It's actually good that operating systems work more the same. You showed me a slider and I could point out that Apple didn't have one until years after Windows had one. The right-click contextual menus were made popular by Borland before Windows 3.0 was out and Windows and OS/2 had them far earlier than Mac OS--even My Atari ST applications had them in the late 1980s.

There was recently an article about two UI designers--one from Apple, one from Microsoft who are working together now--and they were mentioning that a lot of things just happen to occur at different places at the same time. They didn't mention that everyone had probably seen the innovation in a little-known piece of software, though. :p

AlmostThere
Mar 17, 2006, 12:12 PM
Although it's obviously not an exact copy, I think it's safe to say certain 'influences' have been made on the Vista team from OS X

Posted on Mac Bytes (Forum Thread) (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=187019), this probably happens much less than one would imagine, as these designers from Apple and MS and now working together discuss (http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/03/15.9.shtml).

Many of the features of Vista have been developed pre-Pather, if not Jaguar. It is partly the nature of the smaller, more agile company that these things can come to fruition earlier.

steelfist
Mar 17, 2006, 12:23 PM
V.I.S.T.A. (various improvements similar to apple) :cool:

LOL best laugh of the week i had!

dralfonzo
Mar 17, 2006, 01:05 PM
And the comparison to Windows explorer's icon selector (ie - the actual file browser that works across the entire system) to one single app (iPhoto) in OS X is pretty weak.

No need to look for signs of 'copying' that aren't there. Of course if you want to find evidence of copying, you will see it no matter what, copying or not.

From the pics posted, Vista is hardly a copy of OS X.

Fair enough, I happen to disagree but thats your personal opinion :) I agree that there's features of both OS's that have come from outside influence - but I think features like the Windows "Gadgets" are blatent copies from OS X


http://static.flickr.com/40/113813421_34ce3f8563_o.jpg

SummerBreeze
Mar 17, 2006, 03:31 PM
It's amazing that even when Windows is "borrowing" from Apple or other operating systems, they can manage to make things look so horrible. The gadget integration is hideous!

theBB
Mar 17, 2006, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the pics. The only thing that looked nicer with Vista is its Expose. Vista's dock still looks almost as clunky as XP's and I certainly prefer the OSX's fonts used in its GUI.

Apple may have been "inspired" from other companies while designing their GUI. However, considering that almost all of the eye-candies and other more useful features became available in Mac's years earlier and Vista is still not out, I think it is fair to say that MS uses Apple's innovations as a gauge to see what works and what is popular. In the end, it may not matter much; even though Vista is going to be late by a few years in bringing these features, for most users there will be fewer reasons to switch once Vista is out. (Unless, 10.5 introduces some earth shattering innovations or Vista is not very stable...) That may be a bit of an issue for the future of Macs.

theBB
Mar 17, 2006, 03:47 PM
Many of the features of Vista have been developed pre-Pather, if not Jaguar. It is partly the nature of the smaller, more agile company that these things can come to fruition earlier.
Your logic is a bit flawed here. You are comparing one product's features when it is introduced (let's say Jaguar) with when the other one started developing them (Vista) Besides, Apple is not exactly a startup, its size alone would not explain why it is years ahead of MS.

dotdotdot
Mar 17, 2006, 03:57 PM
Your logic is a bit flawed here. You are comparing one product's features when it is introduced (let's say Jaguar) with when the other one started developing them (Vista) Besides, Apple is not exactly a startup, its size alone would not explain why it is years ahead of MS.

"Longhorn" started development in 2002, as "Blackcomb," which is now "Vienna," which is now scheduled to come after Vista ("Longhorn") is released.

And though the themes and stuff have changed, many of the basic features have not.

BlueT
Mar 17, 2006, 03:57 PM
Hell, I'm happy Vista is like OSX. The reason I chose Apple a few years ago was because of Microsoft's security flaws and crappy OS design. If those get fixed, I'll gladly switch back and spend 20-30% less on my hardware and be compatible with most offices across America. It's Apple's fault that OSX is only on 5% of computers worldwide. If they'd open themselves up to the PC world, more (office/industrial/financial) developers would gladly create programs for OSX. As it stands now, OSX is limited and so its software and user base will never rival Windows (at the current pace).

VanNess
Mar 17, 2006, 04:16 PM
Another feature added into Vista is the 'Gadgets' which show up on a sort of sidepanel on your screen/desktop. The gadgets feature looks quite similar to dashboard in the fact that you can choose the different 'mini apps' (widgets) that you want to have displayed. It seems more like Konfabulator in that you can interact with other applications etc while having the 'Gadgets' open;

Unless the controls for what you happen to be "interacting" with are full screen and extend into the Dashboard-esq "side panel"

Here you can see how the 'Gadgets' are integrated in;

So basically, it's about a fifth of your screen real-estate dedicated full-time to a miniature "dashboard."

That will be just great for viewing/editing full sized jpegs or other tasks dependent upon an abundance of screen real estate. Presumably. MS has built-in a function to switch it (the side panel) on and off, but that's extra, unneeded user managment/involvment with MS's clumsy UI.

In other words, it's in the god damn way


Yet another similar feature that seems to have made its way into the new Microsoft OS is an expose like function, which although you can't see it here in the picture - allows you to scroll through the open windows while in the 'expose' mode;

Obvious expose rip-off and very badly implemented. The whole point of expose is too see all windows at a glance, not rifle through them one at a time rolodex style. MS sacrificed usability here for cheap eye-candy gimmickry.


The last set of similarities are not so obvious, more just little features that both systems will be using. The first is the star rating system from iTunes which has made its way into Vista;

Not even a thinly disguised rip-off.

...and last but not least the little image size toggle slider thing feature that can be seen in apps like iPhoto also has made its way into Vista. It amuses me to see microsoft treating its customers like dipsh*ts, they just can't leave things alone! On the slider they've marked "Extra-Large icons" and "Small icons", yet they still feel like they need to tell the user that "Medium Icons" will probably come somewhere inbetween. It's little things like this that make OS X and the rest of the Apple design ethos appear minimalistic, Apple usually realises that they don't always have to point out the obvious whereas microsoft feels the need to label and annotate everything

Once again, not even a thinly disguised rip-off. Just what have these guys been doing for the last several years?

Bubbasteve
Mar 17, 2006, 04:21 PM
Is it wrong for me to say that I like the look of Vista? I mean I don't intend to start an uproar or anything but I really like some aspects of Vista...now bring on Leopard!

Josh
Mar 17, 2006, 04:30 PM
Obvious expose rip-off and very badly implemented. The whole point of expose is too see all windows at a glance, not rifle through them one at a time rolodex style. MS sacrificed usability here for cheap eye-candy gimmickry.


Please see my previous post and/or refer to Sun's 'Project Looking Glass.'

That resembles *nothing* of Expose, and is an influence from Sun, not Apple.

Likewise, it was Apple who copied Project Looking Glass to come up with Expose.

Apple did not invent a single thing that so many claim Vista is copying.

mkrishnan
Mar 17, 2006, 04:39 PM
Is it wrong for me to say that I like the look of Vista? I mean I don't intend to start an uproar or anything but I really like some aspects of Vista...now bring on Leopard!

I think you're far from being in the minority. I think it'll be an improvement in a lot of ways.... I'm not quite ready to switch back, but I'm paying attention. :)

Bubbasteve
Mar 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
I think you're far from being in the minority. I think it'll be an improvement in a lot of ways.... I'm not quite ready to switch back, but I'm paying attention. :)
Well thank God I'm not the only one

VanNess
Mar 17, 2006, 05:02 PM
That resembles *nothing* of Expose, and is an influence from Sun, not Apple.

Likewise, it was Apple who copied Project Looking Glass to come up with Expose.

Nonsense.

Project Looking Glass was an attempt at rendering a standard desktop environment as 3d shapes (http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/). That has absolutely nothing to with expose, the function of expose, or the appearance of expose.

On the other hand, Microsoft's window management feature has, in presence, in style, in implementation, etc., more than an overt - if not abject - similarity to expose

chaos86
Mar 17, 2006, 05:39 PM
the comparisons from exposť to the windows app switcher thing are a little far fetched, but they do share the same function.

personally i prefer exposť because the vista thing shows only one window at a time, but apple could make it a little nicer. like instead of having the windows turn blue and have the name over them, they should grow a little and the others should shrink slightly, while the name appears off to the side somewhere.

rendezvouscp
Mar 17, 2006, 05:52 PM
Hell, I'm happy Vista is like OSX. The reason I chose Apple a few years ago was because of Microsoft's security flaws and crappy OS design. If those get fixed, I'll gladly switch back and spend 20-30% less on my hardware and be compatible with most offices across America. It's Apple's fault that OSX is only on 5% of computers worldwide. If they'd open themselves up to the PC world, more (office/industrial/financial) developers would gladly create programs for OSX. As it stands now, OSX is limited and so its software and user base will never rival Windows (at the current pace).

When you say "open themselves up," what do you mean? How would the "open themselves up" as to invite more developers? Aren't the developers currently working on the Mac fine enough? Frankly, I think we have some of the best hardware and software available; there are developers that create apps that fill niche markets (no matter how large) that haven't caught on to the Mac, and may never will. Are those the developers you're talking about?
-Chasen

howesey
Mar 17, 2006, 05:59 PM
Nonsense.

Project Looking Glass was an attempt at rendering a standard desktop environment as 3d shapes (http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/). That has absolutely nothing to with expose, the function of expose, or the appearance of expose.

On the other hand, Microsoft's window management feature has, in presence, in style, in implementation, etc., more than an overt - if not abject - similarity to expose
I have used PLG for a few years now, it is nothing like Expose. Just downlaod a copy, they do builds for PPC as well.


http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-introducing-the-real-windows-vista/

chaos86
Mar 17, 2006, 06:29 PM
I have used PLG for a few years now, it is nothing like Expose. Just downlaod a copy, they do builds for PPC as well.


link?

dralfonzo
Mar 17, 2006, 06:42 PM
So basically, it's about a fifth of your screen real-estate dedicated full-time to a miniature "dashboard."

That will be just great for viewing/editing full sized jpegs or other tasks dependent upon an abundance of screen real estate. Presumably. MS has built-in a function to switch it (the side panel) on and off, but that's extra, unneeded user managment/involvment with MS's clumsy UI.

In other words, it's in the god damn way



Lol don't rip my head off, I didn't design it.

And Bubbasteve, I agree - I think Vista looks quite nice, although I think on many parts they've tried too hard and just ended up making it look tacky. The recent screenshots of the new IE for example, and also the back/foward buttons on some of the windows look a bit crap and 'plastic' I think.

mark!
Mar 17, 2006, 07:05 PM
Lol don't rip my head off, I didn't design it.

And Bubbasteve, I agree - I think Vista looks quite nice, although I think on many parts they've tried too hard and just ended up making it look tacky. The recent screenshots of the new IE for example, and also the back/foward buttons on some of the windows look a bit crap and 'plastic' I think.

I like parts of Vista too *GASP* but I just wouldn't use it...I just like the look. I hope that Leopard is updated in terms of interface because Tiger & Panther are starting to look a little a bit outdated. I don't like the whole pin stripe look anymore...I also wish Apple would choose 1 theme...theres 3 themes in OS X, pin stripe, aqua & brushed...even their product pages in the Apple stores they still have a trillion million different looks. Maybe it'd be cool if they made 3 themes built in the OS, like XP kinda does (that weird luna and whatever the other things are) ... idk...this probably doesn't make sense so ill stop now...:o

VanNess
Mar 17, 2006, 07:24 PM
Lol don't rip my head off, I didn't design it.

I didn't mean to direct that at you, lol. More of an outward looking statement and...well, I guess I got a little carried away. lol

mkrishnan
Mar 17, 2006, 07:52 PM
Well thank God I'm not the only one

Yeah, I like the Compositor a lot. And I think they're adding a lot of great functionality. And I think it's a great, modern look, that has been getting progressively better as it has been refined over the course of the releases to date.

*The* thing I *don't* like about Vista is that there's no appearance that it'll be any less prone to viruses, malware, and spyware, than the current Windows. And there isn't much of a solution in site to the endless cornucopia of annoying background programs and monitors and so on that every non-standard Windows accessory or peripheral uses, and the amount of nuisance involved in new hardware.

And there are also things about Apple that I don't like. Like the fact that the new generation of MBPs seems to get worse battery life than the PB. Wrong direction. :( But OS X is reasonably cute, mostly intuitive and easy to use, quite stable, and has few viruses and no spyware.

And I like Windows Mobile, because it's also cute, and also has few viruses or other problems, although WM5 has annoying bluetooth issues, and there is a lot of software out there that doesn't play nice with it.

So, in the balance, I'm happy where I am. But I don't underestimate MS.

ImNoSuperMan
Mar 19, 2006, 02:44 PM
Well I have heard that Vista will be free from the nightmare called "Blue Screen of death". Seriously guys, Vista is going to change things forever. M$ has confirmed that users all over the world dont need to worry bout the Blue anymore.

They are changing the colour.:p

Macmadant
Mar 19, 2006, 03:03 PM
I also heard on vista you can have icons scalable to 128X128 "thats funny where have i seen that before" you may say to your self. it gets me so angry when i boast about the good features of mac osx and the stunning interface, then microsoft copies them the icons for example, also expose, also a new "minimize' effect in windows, also a version of dashboard messed about with, also... well i could go on forever but i won't, i mean transparent windows, that was so last year, thats come and gone in osx:mad: The dirty, evil robbing b******

steve_hill4
Mar 19, 2006, 03:13 PM
Currently I am working in retail, selling both Macs and PCs. I like to keep up to date with knowledge on both.

In the future, my intention is still to get into journalism and writing, starting with technical writing. I will really ahve to keep up to date with knowledge on both.

I also like open source software, like Linux and its various distros. I therefore like to keep an eye on what's happening on that front.

Overall, I prefer using OSX, but my attitude to Windows goes in and out. I certainly won't be upgrading to Vista just because it's there, probably more like a year or two down the line. While I also agree that some features are near blatent rip-offs of elements of OSX and other Apple apps, the ones outlined here aren't really those.

Kingsly
Mar 19, 2006, 04:04 PM
They can change the GUI all they want... It wont help at all as long as the underlying architecture remains the same.
No support for EFI!? What were they thinking!? :mad:
While Apple shoots off into the future M$ is still stuck with 80's BIOS technology for at least a five more years.

MacBoobsPro
Mar 19, 2006, 04:26 PM
V.I.S.T.A. (various improvements similar to apple) :cool:

Ok I have to admit the above had me spurting milk out of my nose and pee in my pants!

Its probably been around for ages but its the first time ive seen it!

:D

MacBoobsPro
Mar 19, 2006, 04:30 PM
Thought this was funny!

http://vistaosx.blog.co.uk/

notjustjay
Mar 19, 2006, 04:39 PM
Ok I have to admit the above had me spurting milk out of my nose and pee in my pants!

Well, better than the other way around I guess :eek:

What's fun is going to be when our less-up-to-date Windows friends get Vista and show off their fun new features and say "Ha! Can YOUR Mac do that?" :D

sunfast
Mar 20, 2006, 10:25 AM
Thought this was funny!

http://vistaosx.blog.co.uk/

That link is hilarious

notjustjay
Mar 20, 2006, 10:26 AM
That link is hilarious

I personally didn't find it all that amusing. The one redeeming joke was this:

"Theft or loss of corporate intellectual property is an increasing concern for organizations.
Particularly Apple!"

:D

mox358
Mar 20, 2006, 03:19 PM
When I look at the screenshots for Vista I have to admit they look nice. On the other hand, when I think about trying to *USE* said OS I cringe a little. Screenshots can be deceiving. Just because it looks good doesn't mean it will work well.

The "Exposť copy" is the perfect example. What does making it 3D do to enhance the function? The "stacked" windows block each other, so its hard to tell at a glance what each window is. It seems like they made it 3D just for the sake of making it 3D. If it was a tech demo that would be great - it shows off their new display technology. For a window switcher in a shipping product I couldn't imagine trying to use it. To me, and this is my personal opinion, it seems like a lot of the components of Vista are tech demos that were just left in. Almost like the first idea they thought of they implemented and abandoned the brainstorming process at that point.

I also couldn't believe no one mentioned the fact that they discontinued the bloated OE in favor of separate, smaller apps with only one main function. :D Sounds like the development mantra of a different company. Also they decided to name them Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Address Book if I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be, I haven't followed Vista progress very much).

Just keep in mind "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" :)

chaos86
Mar 20, 2006, 09:19 PM
for the young'ns out there.

microsoft borrowing ideas from apple?!? no way!

mark!
Mar 20, 2006, 09:29 PM
for the young'ns out there.

microsoft borrowing ideas from apple?!? no way!

OOOH IM YOUNG. haha but apparently too young because i dont know what it is.

sushi
Mar 20, 2006, 09:49 PM
V.I.S.T.A. (various improvements similar to apple) :cool:
Almost as good as Windows Not There! :D

P.S. That's in reference to WindowsNT for those Mac only users.

mkrishnan
Mar 20, 2006, 10:02 PM
for the young'ns out there.

microsoft borrowing ideas from apple?!? no way!

At least have the decency to name your attachment something attractive, like latestpics.tgz.

What's in it?

sushi
Mar 20, 2006, 10:06 PM
for the young'ns out there.

microsoft borrowing ideas from apple?!? no way!
Not bad! :D

(Short clip from Pirates of Silicon Valley)

MattyMac
Mar 20, 2006, 10:21 PM
Not bad! :D

(Short clip from Pirates of Silicon Valley)

ahhh what a great movie!

chaos86
Mar 21, 2006, 11:48 AM
At least have the decency to name your attachment something attractive, like latestpics.tgz.

What's in it?

It's the part in Pirates of Silicon Valley when Jobs called Gates to come over and visit, and Gates walks in to find Jobs with his back to him listening to classical music and he yells at him "YOU'RE STEALING FROM US!", in reference to this new OS, copied mosly from Apple and called, "what is it, windows or something?"

oh, and its the scene depicted in my avatar, i think im gonna animate it later.

Josh
Mar 21, 2006, 12:06 PM
I also heard on vista you can have icons scalable to 128X128 "thats funny where have i seen that before" you may say to your self. it gets me so angry when i boast about the good features of mac osx and the stunning interface, then microsoft copies them the icons for example, also expose, also a new "minimize' effect in windows, also a version of dashboard messed about with, also... well i could go on forever but i won't, i mean transparent windows, that was so last year, thats come and gone in osx:mad: The dirty, evil robbing b******

So any other OS that makes an improvement is copying Apple? I wasn't aware that Apple was leading the way to the future with icon sizes.

Screen resolutions are getting higher. Monitors are getting bigger. Icons and other images getting bigger (and the development of scalable, vector-based interfaces) is just the way ALL graphical interfaces are going.

Nonsense.

Project Looking Glass was an attempt at rendering a standard desktop environment as 3d shapes (http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/). That has absolutely nothing to with expose, the function of expose, or the appearance of expose.

On the other hand, Microsoft's window management feature has, in presence, in style, in implementation, etc., more than an overt - if not abject - similarity to expose

Nonsense?

You're right. Vista's window switching is a dead knock-off of Expose, and Sun had no influence. :rolleyes:

p0intblank
Mar 21, 2006, 12:31 PM
From the pics posted, Vista is hardly a copy of OS X.

I 100% disagree with this statement. If you can't see that Microsoft is copying Apple in their OS, then you must not be thinking straight. :rolleyes:

As for the Gadgets integration, it's funny how the sidebar takes up a good bit of the user's workspace. I realize there is probably a 'Hide' option, but OS X handles this situation in a more traditional fashion: entire screen, but in it's own "layer"

balofagus
Mar 21, 2006, 03:29 PM
Hmm... I don't know about all the "ripping-off" but opposed to people saying they like how it looks, I personally think its a bit ugly. I actually like the way XP looks better!

chaos86
Mar 21, 2006, 04:57 PM
Hmm... I don't know about all the "ripping-off" but opposed to people saying they like how it looks, I personally think its a bit ugly. I actually like the way XP looks better!

i wouldnt say ugly, id say disorganized. look at any of the control panel windows and try to figure out what it does just by the title bar, then look at the windows contents and see if it matches.

Dominatus
Mar 21, 2006, 11:06 PM
Does anyone here realize that both the integrated search and the sidebar gadgets thing were demonstrated and talked about many many times way before Tiger was announced?

Macmadant
Mar 22, 2006, 01:35 AM
It's the part in Pirates of Silicon Valley when Jobs called Gates to come over and visit, and Gates walks in to find Jobs with his back to him listening to classical music and he yells at him "YOU'RE STEALING FROM US!", in reference to this new OS, copied mosly from Apple and called, "what is it, windows or something?"

oh, and its the scene depicted in my avatar, i think im gonna animate it later.
a Very good movie, i presume you know, that when the film was released apple got noah wyle to come on to the stage at the start of the keynote dressed in black shirt + jeans they all thought it was him until steve walked on 10 mins later :p

brap
Mar 22, 2006, 04:26 AM
Question: can the fluff be turned off? I still quite like 'Windows classic'.

sushi
Mar 22, 2006, 08:51 AM
Question: can the fluff be turned off? I still quite like 'Windows classic'.
With regards to XP, yes you can.

brap
Mar 22, 2006, 01:03 PM
With regards to XP, yes you can.Nah, I was rather referring to Vista (since it's likely someone expressing opinions here has the beta through whatever means).

G99
Mar 22, 2006, 04:57 PM
Thats funny, I was thinking about this a few weeks ago: The word Gadget even sounds like widget!

sushi
Mar 22, 2006, 05:08 PM
Nah, I was rather referring to Vista (since it's likely someone expressing opinions here has the beta through whatever means).
As for Vista, no idea personally.

Hopefully as you say, someone with a copy will enlighten us on that point.

thestaton
Mar 24, 2006, 12:03 PM
V.I.S.T.A. (various improvements similar to apple)

haha, with your permission I'm not using this as my quote on several forums & on myspace :) best I have read in awhile!

Josh
Mar 24, 2006, 12:15 PM
haha, with your permission I'm not using this as my quote on several forums & on myspace :) best I have read in awhile!
No you may not. It is his trademarked phrase, for which he originally invented and gets paid for every time it's used.

Anyone caught using it will be sued. :rolleyes:

Sorry....just see too many of these "zOMG! LOLZORS!! Funnist phrase of my life can I put on forum?!" questions.

Post it all over the place, make shirts out of it, name a sandwich after it....you need no ones permission to do this.

Sorry, bad day :)

mark88
Mar 24, 2006, 02:07 PM
I *was* looking forward to Vista, but reading the official site last week I came away with this list...

Quick/Desktop Search = Spotlight
Windows Aero = Apple Aqua
Windows Flip = Expose
Search Folders = Smart Folders
Gadgets & Sidebar = Dashboard
DVD Maker HD = iDVD HD
Windows Photo Gallery = iPhoto
Windows Calendar = iCal
Windows Mail = Mail

And I'm sure I've missed a few, like Parental controls etc. To me, the above list is embarrassing more than anything. It really is true that most of the new features of Vista that Microsft are making a song and dance about are just lifted from OS X.

I'd love to have been in the meeting where they decided upon the "Aero interface" :-/

On the other hand, at least they are stealing from the competition, not their own developers.

bense27
Mar 24, 2006, 09:49 PM
haha what a rip off...widgets and gadgets....i hate microsoft. But, I think the windows version of expose is much cooler than OS X

MisterMe
Mar 25, 2006, 12:13 AM
haha what a rip off...widgets and gadgets....i hate microsoft. But, I think the windows version of expose is much cooler than OS XI don't think that you need to worry about Vista's ripping-off MacOS X. If the blogs are to be believed--and I believe they are--Vista is pretty much done for. Although the statement has been denied, it has been reported that 60% of Vista code has to be rewritten. Thursday's announcement of another Microsoft Windows group reorganization would appear not to be the tip of teh iceberg. It appears to be warning whistle on the Titanic.

ethen
Mar 25, 2006, 12:26 AM
it's what you called over inspired :p
but you know, most of new stuff is always inspired from something else. only a few number are real innovated products