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Chacala_Nayarit
Mar 22, 2006, 08:03 PM
Dead child's mom sought discipline tips
Lynn Paddock ordered books by a minister and his wife that recommended using pipe to spank kids

Mandy Locke, Staff Writer

A few years ago, Lynn Paddock sought Christian advice on how to discipline her growing brood of adopted children.

Paddock -- a Johnston County mother accused of murdering Sean, her 4-year-old adopted son, and beating two other adopted children -- surfed the Internet, said her attorney, Michael Reece. She found literature by an evangelical minister and his wife who recommended using plumbing supply lines to spank misbehaving children.

Paddock ordered Michael and Debi Pearl's books and started spanking her adopted children as suggested. After Sean, the youngest of Paddock's six adopted children, died last month, his older sister and brother told investigators about Paddock's spankings.

Sean's 9-year-old brother was beaten so badly he limped, a prosecutor said. Bruises marred Sean's backside, too, doctors found.

Sean died after being wrapped so tightly in blankets he suffocated. That, too, was a form of punishment, Johnston County Sheriff Steve Bizzell said.

The Pearls' advice from their Web site: A swift whack with the plastic tubing would sting but not bruise. Give 10 licks at a time, more if the child resists. Be careful about using it in front of others -- even at church; nosy neighbors might call social workers. Save hands for nurturing, not disciplining. Heed the warning, taken from Proverbs in the Old Testament, that sparing the rod will spoil the child.

Paddock and other moms in her rural Baptist church chatted about the Pearls' strategies for rearing obedient children, Reece said.

"I think she was trying to do the right thing by her children," he said.

Paddock, 45, faces a possible lifetime behind bars or execution if convicted of causing Sean's death.

Paddock seems to have carefully followed the Pearls' teachings. Investigators found 2-foot lengths of plumbing supply line in several rooms of her remote farmhouse.

The Pearls offer shopping advice on their Web site, www.nogreaterjoy.org: "You can buy them for under $1.00 at Home Depot or any hardware store. They come cheaper by the dozen and can be widely distributed in every room and vehicle. Just the high profile of their accessibility will keep the kids in line."

The Pearls' first book, "To Train Up a Child," has sold more than 400,000 copies since it was published in 1994, according to Mel Cohen, general manager of the Pearls' business, No Greater Joy Ministries. After the book came out, so many readers wrote in with questions that the Pearls started a newsletter. Every two months, Cohen said, the Pleasantville, Tenn.-based ministry mails more than 60,000 newsletters to parents around the world.

The Pearls declined to be interviewed. "They feel the material speaks for itself," Cohen said.

Christian evangelicals who, like the Pearls, teach the importance of corporal punishment have loyal followers. The results are tangible, said Dot Ehlers, executive director of a Smithfield nonprofit who teaches parenting skills to mothers and fathers referred to them by the Johnston County Department of Social Services. She said about a quarter of the 60 parents she instructs each week say their faith defends and encourages corporal punishment.

The Pearls' techniques helped Sandy Hicks, a mother in Texas who said she was desperate to restore peace in her home.

"Some people would rather spend an hour reasoning with a defiant 5-year-old instead of requiring the kid to behave and giving him a swat if he doesn't," said Hicks, who said she has used a peach-tree switch to spank her four children. "Some people are just queasy about swatting their kids."

The Pearls' teachings helped mobilize another group of Christian parents to speak out against such corporal punishment. The Web site Stoptherod.net rails against the Pearls' first book; the Web site's founders, Susan and Steve Lawrence of Virginia, say the book "reads like a child abuse manual." The Web site encourages parents to post critical reviews of the book on Amazon.com.

Some of the Pearls' defenders say you can't blame them for parents who take their advice to an unhealthy extreme.

Gena Suarez, publisher of a magazine for home-schooling parents that publishes advertisements for the Pearls' books, said their teachings are often inappropriately used to defend child abuse.

"[The Pearls] are talking about something that would fit in a purse," Suarez said. "The only way you can kill a child with that is by shoving it down his throat."

The Pearls acknowledge that discipline turns to abuse when the "child is broken in spirit, cowed and subdued ..."

The minister advises one mother on his Web site: "I always give myself one swat before I swat the child to remind myself how much force to exert. It stings the skin without bruising or damaging tissue. It's a real attention-getter."

(News researchers Susan Ebbs, Becky Ogburn and Lamara Williams-Hackett contributed to this report.)


Sicko evangelical fundamentalist trash! :mad:



zimv20
Mar 22, 2006, 08:07 PM
LINK

IJ Reilly
Mar 22, 2006, 08:24 PM
Spare the jail cell, spoil the parent.

Ugg
Mar 22, 2006, 10:00 PM
It's amazing how people pervert religion and destroy children in the process. I recently read a book by Julia Scheeres called "Jesus Land, a Memoir" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1582433380/ref=sr_11_1/103-5021532-0753461?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

Her parents were devout Christians but beat their two adopted sons to the point where they were scarred for life. The younger son had his arm broken by his dad. Julia and her brother David were shipped off to a rat infested "reform" school in the Dominican Republic. It's an amazing story of parental cruelty and viciousness in the name of god.

pdham
Mar 22, 2006, 10:28 PM
Some people would rather spend an hour reasoning with a defiant 5-year-old instead of requiring the kid to behave and giving him a swat if he doesn't

Gena Suarez, publisher of a magazine for home-schooling parents that publishes advertisements for the Pearls' books, said their teachings are often inappropriately used to defend child abuse.

"[The Pearls] are talking about something that would fit in a purse," Suarez said. "The only way you can kill a child with that is by shoving it down his throat."

The Pearls acknowledge that discipline turns to abuse when the "child is broken in spirit, cowed and subdued ..."

The minister advises one mother on his Web site: "I always give myself one swat before I swat the child to remind myself how much force to exert. It stings the skin without bruising or damaging tissue. It's a real attention-getter."

You mean to tell me this sounds like child abuse? This has nothing to do with "Sicko evangelical fundamentalist trash!" as you put it, but a mother who clearly had the leaning to beat her children and used this book as personal justification to do it.

It's amazing how people pervert religion and destroy children in the process. I recently read a book by Julia Scheeres called "Jesus Land, a Memoir"

I completely agree, but the key to your statement is the word PEOPLE. It is truely amazing how poeple can distort there religion to justify horrible acts. But remember those acts are a result of clearly troubled people that use religion as an excuse to act, those actions do not condem that religion, they only condem the sick people that distorted it.
*I know you weren't implying anything of that sort Ugg, it is just usually where these threads end

XNine
Mar 22, 2006, 10:44 PM
Spare the jail cell, spoil the parent.

I like that! Can I use it sometime?

Funny though, how the media finds these stories all at once. Doesn't mean they aren't truly out there, just that the media works in trends is all. Like religious people are best to take advice on discipline...?

Ugg
Mar 22, 2006, 11:43 PM
I completely agree, but the key to your statement is the word PEOPLE. It is truely amazing how poeple can distort there religion to justify horrible acts. But remember those acts are a result of clearly troubled people that use religion as an excuse to act, those actions do not condem that religion, they only condem the sick people that distorted it.
*I know you weren't implying anything of that sort Ugg, it is just usually where these threads end

Sure, people will use any excuse to justify their actions, the problem is, at this point in time in the USA, religion is being used to justify a lot of ugly things. From the denial of reproductive rights, to gay marriage, to, well take your pick. If I accept your troubled people defense then that can only mean that there are a lot of deeply disturbed religious people in the USA. Why is that? Does religion act like a magnet to distubed people?

We've seen a number of horrible crimes committed in god's name these past few years. The proliferation of web sites like the one mentioned above only exacerbates the problem. Unfortunately, many of the "christian" criminals have been acquitted or handed lesser sentences. It's time this country come to its senses and stops advocating repressive and destructive "christian" values as a cure all for what ails us. People have the right to practice their own religion but they don't have the right to circumvent laws designed to protect children in order to appease their god. The website should be held partly responsible for this child's death. Only when those who are advocating abuse are held responsible will any justice be done.

OutThere
Mar 23, 2006, 12:04 AM
LINK

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Lynn+Paddock+ordered+books+by+a+minister%22&btnG=Google+Search

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http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/418676.html

scem0
Mar 23, 2006, 12:05 AM
thou shalt not kill unless it's in my name, then it's fine and dandy. The edited commandment.

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IJ Reilly
Mar 23, 2006, 01:30 AM
I like that! Can I use it sometime?

Be my guest. :)

Funny though, how the media finds these stories all at once. Doesn't mean they aren't truly out there, just that the media works in trends is all. Like religious people are best to take advice on discipline...?

This may come as a shock, but the number of actual media sources is shrinking rapidly. Most of what we see these days, especially on the web, is just aggregation. IOW, you think everyone in the media is leaping on a story, when in fact you're seeing the same copy repeated over and over.

solvs
Mar 23, 2006, 04:06 AM
That guy who protests military funerals because he hates gay people (yeah, I still don't get the connection either) beat his kids so severely, they have permanent damage to their systems. Yet he was never convicted and they still stand by him, refusing to file charges. His wife too. It's all on his Wiki page. I can't remember his name at the moment, nor do I care to, but yeah... fundie.

Lyle
Mar 23, 2006, 10:51 AM
I'm not familiar with the Pearls' books or web site, so I can't comment on them. It is extremely troubling, though, that they've devoting so much time into giving parents "tips" on how to beat their children with plastic tubing that will "sting but not bruise." If that's true, they are indeed sickos.

I would note, however, that my parents used corporal punishment on me and my brothers when we were growing up. And by corporal punishment, I mean spanking with hands, a belt or a paddle. I don't believe that that's the kind of discipline we'll use with our kids, if and when we have kids, but I don't feel like my parents were being abusive. I think pdham is correct to say that the woman described in this news story is someone who enjoys beating children and was looking for some way to justify that behavior.

aquajet
Mar 23, 2006, 10:54 AM
That guy who protests military funerals because he hates gay people (yeah, I still don't get the connection either) beat his kids so severely, they have permanent damage to their systems. Yet he was never convicted and they still stand by him, refusing to file charges. His wife too. It's all on his Wiki page. I can't remember his name at the moment, nor do I care to, but yeah... fundie.

Rev. Fred Phelps

Sdashiki
Mar 23, 2006, 11:24 AM
I see nothing wrong with beatin a kid.

but "beatin" can mean many things.

Son, go fetch me a switch to beat you with. Comes to mind.

but so does a slap to the ass, a grab of the arm etc etc.

In my childhood it was mostly just really loud yelling that made me stop, and cry sometimes.

Parents have a right to discipline their kids, its how as humans we learn certain things. But it is also up to the parent to decide when/where/how they do beat their kids.

I dont condone physical abuse, but slapping a kid to keep them in line is totally normal in every sense of the word. Reward and punishment is how a childs brain, or an mammilian brain, works.

Within reason, beatings (harsh word for negative reinforcement) can be very useful.

sparing the rod spoils the child, is as dumb a quote from the bible as the one used by snake handlers.

Once a child can snatch the hand before they get slapped is the day you cant beat your child anymore.

Lyle
Mar 23, 2006, 11:48 AM
Once a child can snatch the hand before they get slapped is the day you cant beat your child anymore.For my Mom and me, it was the day that she had me over her knee trying to give me a spanking and I was laughing about it because it didn't hurt. And then she started laughing about it too. I still got punished, but it was something along the lines of being grounded or losing some other privilege for awhile.

greatdevourer
Mar 23, 2006, 12:00 PM
If I accept your troubled people defense then that can only mean that there are a lot of deeply disturbed religious people in the USA. Why is that? Does religion act like a magnet to distubed people? F*cked up people do f*cked up things, no matter what the influence. It's like with games - for a game to make you want to kill people, you have to be screwed up in the head already

The comments about the woman enjoying the beatings tyed in with my first thoughts of this thread when all I could see of the title was "Gonna get a whoppin' with PVC" :eek: I don't think I need to go any further...

Chacala_Nayarit
Mar 23, 2006, 04:02 PM
Sing along children:

Jesus loves me this I know because the two-foot PVC pipe tells me so

I deserve a beating until I die because my mom a ****wit xian this I know

Yes Jesus whips me, Yes that asshole Jesus whips me, Yes Jesus loves me.....

The fundies whip hard to death

Toby! Fetch me a switch to whip you to death so you can be with Jesus! :rolleyes:

http://users.erols.com/oddities-inc/top.gif (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0404/easterkids.html)

yellow
Mar 23, 2006, 04:09 PM
Living in North Carolina, I'm constantly amazed at the crazy stories coming out of Johntson COunty. It's like every inbred hillbilliy in NC lives there.

And you DO know that LBC is a satirical site, right?

Desertrat
Mar 23, 2006, 09:44 PM
Leaving the religious bit out: I've never understood "beating" a child in the name of discipline. The main utility of corporal punishment is to get a kid's attention after the usual process of remonstrance(s) hasn't succeeded. But to actually harm? Leave bruises?

Pardon me while my old red neck lights up and glows...

I remember my mother making me go cut the "right size" of switch. She'd work my legs over a little bit. I'd scream and dance and yell and give a grand performance and it was all over with in about two minutes. Maybe a slight bit of red marks, but not enough to stay. I'd behave for, oh, maybe a week.

Then she had open-guilt surgery, and decided Talking To was better. Now, when a trained psychologist lays the words on you, I guarantee you that the switching was much, much more desirable. Guilt Trip City ws a terrible place.

Then there is the other side of this coin, where just yelling at a kid can be referred to the authorities as "abuse", which is total BS in its own right.

Common sense ain't real common...

'Rat

Chacala_Nayarit
Mar 23, 2006, 10:46 PM
Living in North Carolina, I'm constantly amazed at the crazy stories coming out of Johntson COunty. It's like every inbred hillbilliy in NC lives there.

And you DO know that LBC is a satirical site, right?

Yes, indeed, this I know.

Although the 4 year old getting beat to death is not - just thought I'd add that.

solvs
Mar 24, 2006, 04:40 AM
Rev. Fred Phelps
Thank you. That guy is sick. So are these people. But as I say, and has been alluded too, these people are just using religion to justify their sickness. I don't remember Jesus ever advocating beating children.

yellow
Mar 24, 2006, 09:22 AM
Although the 4 year old getting beat to death is not - just thought I'd add that.

Never said it was.. this was almost "local" news to me.

Chacala_Nayarit
Mar 25, 2006, 03:40 PM
Never said it was.. this was almost "local" news to me.

Never said you did.

Now go fetch a switch John boy!

And tell Toby to hurry with his chores, so he can getta switchin' too!!!! :p