Apple could be big winner from Windows delay

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Description:: SEATTLE - Microsoft Corp.'s delay in releasing the consumer version of its new Windows operating system is a blow to companies that make and sell computers, but perhaps good news for others in the electronics industry.

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[yankeefan24]

if it's good for apple, it's good for me.

when did apple say they would release leopard by the holidays? just wondering. did i miss something?

[kev0476]

its kind of a no duh thing.

[dornoforpyros]

if you leave fresh cookies outside with a sign that says "free, help yourself" they might get eaten

[iMeowbot]

Do people really wait around for new OS releases to buy new computers, or is it when they find out their old workhorses won't hold any more RAM and the hard drive is too small to accommodate the new release of Super EDLIN Pro?

[LimeiBook86]

if you leave fresh cookies outside with a sign that says "free, help yourself" they might get eaten
Cookies?! Where? :eek::rolleyes:

I am not surprised that Vista is delayed again, it'll come out eventually but, by then I'll be on Leopard...haha :p

[Timepass]

Do people really wait around for new OS releases to buy new computers, or is it when they find out their old workhorses won't hold any more RAM and the hard drive is too small to accommodate the new release of Super EDLIN Pro?

depends with vista so close my parents are now holding delaying 6 more months before replacing the home computer (no point in trying to get them to switch mac) The home computer was going to be a little shy of 6 years old when it was going to get replaced. It can easily last a little longer to make it to vista. It was orginally plan to replace it over this summer but now they are just going to wait until Vista comes out and just go with that.

[DMann]

depends with vista so close my parents are now holding delaying 6 more months before replacing the home computer (no point in trying to get them to switch mac) The home computer was going to be a little shy of 6 years old when it was going to get replaced. It can easily last a little longer to make it to vista. It was orginally plan to replace it over this summer but now they are just going to wait until Vista comes out and just go with that.

Microsoft announced this morning that Vista will be again, delayed until
May of 2007. Extra time is needed to stabilize the search engine, and
to integrate Google-like web applications into the system. The swarm of
viruses awaiting the release will have to wait a bit longer now........

[bigandy]

just a friendly reminder to everyone that vista is really, actually, still 2 years AHEAD of schedule despite this delay, since they pulled WinFS from the final product.

and anything else that might actually have been useful. :rolleyes:

the original release slate was mid 2009 while WinFS was still being included...

[ahuman7341]

The real reason why vista was delayed is becasue the Leopard preview was moved to august, microsoft as everyone else was planning for it to be in june like usual, when they heard the news of the Leopard preview being delayed they had to delay their release so they could copy all of the features think of nifty (bad) names for them, and beta test (aka not beta test but release a extreely unstable product and say they did anyway) in time for their release.

[Nermal]

just a friendly reminder to everyone that vista is really, actually, still 2 years AHEAD of schedule despite this delay, since they pulled WinFS from the final product.

and anything else that might actually have been useful. :rolleyes:

the original release slate was mid 2009 while WinFS was still being included...

Bah, I remember when Blackcomb (the successor to Vista) was planned for around 2006/2007 :rolleyes:

[BenRoethig]

It's time for Apple to decide if they want to become the major player in the computer industry or remain a niche company. If they are to take advantage of this, it's going to take some decisions that you hardcore mac users will not like.

[1macker1]

Blah...XP came out in 2001, if Apple haven't gained ground in 5 years, why do this person think anohter 7 months is gonna give them some type of push.

[RichP]

It's time for Apple to decide if they want to become the major player in the computer industry or remain a niche company. If they are to take advantage of this, it's going to take some decisions that you hardcore mac users will not like.

Yeah, but opening up that pandora's box is going to reveal many weaknesses in OSX. There are a bazillion types of PC hardware configurations, and its questionable how OSX could handle such a thing. And our only barometer, OSx86 project, reveals alot of stuff isnt supported, nevermind stability.

[p0intblank]

I'm looking forward to Jobs' stab at the fact that Vista was delayed again! :p

But seriously, this is definitely good news for Apple. As soon as Vista is released, Leopard will most likely already be out. It's kind of ironic, too... Vista copied Tiger for most of its innovative features, but Leopard will be out with brand new features as well. It's the never-ending chain for innovation and Microsoft is behind as usual. :)

[GilGrissom]

The delay could be bad for Apple in giving it a false sense of security.

Microsoft now know that Apple are demoing Leopard in August and aim to have it out end of 06/early 07? It will be the first look at Leopard and won't leave much time until the end of the year/start of next when it's supposed to be released, it doesn't give Microsoft much chance to take a look and make Vista better to beat what they see Leopard coming out with.

Apple can't get complacent and go easy on the development, thinking "Oh, we won't bother doing as much on this as first thought, there's no pressure or competition".

All this delays and items being dropped from Vista all could be a bluff. Microsoft could just be waiting for Apple to play it's cards sooner so it knows what to do better or knows what it is up against, or maybe how to market Vista based on Leopards initial reaction? Microsoft could infact (theoretically) release Vista with all the bells and whistles we thought had been dropped, after all what businesses say and reveal and what they actually do and have behind the scenes are different things, it just depends on how many bluffs (if any) are being played and how deep and tricky you get with it.

Then again, thinking about Microsofts actions with the XBox 360, quickly releasing it before the PS3 (delayed console there anyone?!) just to get the early market etc, could mean that this is a genuine delay, it could also prove nothing and Microsoft might be (quite likely) taking a totally different approach with their Windows OS than what they would do the XBox 360, (so the delays are tactical, playing the waiting game waiting for Apple perhaps.). Maybe the delays are so that they can perhaps try and get back in some of the things they have had to drop?...no one really knows until it's done.

Just some thoughts for you. Enjoy!

[backspinner]

Do people really wait around for new OS releases to buy new computerswell I do (only with Macs of course)

[galstaph]

This really isn't all that much news... M$ always releases late... I think Steve takes this to his advantage... More technological innovation for apple while M$ programmers are trying to play catch-up (and delaying in the process). Its either this or I'm hopelessly caught in Steve's reality distortion field and m$ is going to bring out a strong, stable, compotent, efficient os.... or not:D

[BenRoethig]

Yeah, but opening up that pandora's box is going to reveal many weaknesses in OSX. There are a bazillion types of PC hardware configurations, and its questionable how OSX could handle such a thing. And our only barometer, OSx86 project, reveals alot of stuff isnt supported, nevermind stability.

There's not really a bazillion configurations anymore, especially if Apple limits it to EFI machines. There are three widely modern chipset types (intel 900, Nforce4, and Radeon Xpress) and Apple supported more than that during the PowerPC days. Besides, the 900 series chipsets are already supported since that is what Apple uses. The rest is things like drives which Apple has to support anyway. As for that that Pandora's box, it's already wide open.

[dqm]

The real reason why vista was delayed is becasue the Leopard preview was moved to august, microsoft as everyone else was planning for it to be in june like usual, when they heard the news of the Leopard preview being delayed they had to delay their release so they could copy all of the features think of nifty (bad) names for them, and beta test (aka not beta test but release a extreely unstable product and say they did anyway) in time for their release.
Posts like this are so juvenile it's laughable. Do you honestly believe this yourself?
No matter how loyal you may be, it does not change the fact that Apple is a bit/niche (take your pick on the word to choose) in the OS market. I seriously too many people in Redmond lose sleep over an Apple OS release.

[yankeefan24]

Posts like this are so juvenile it's laughable. Do you honestly believe this yourself?
No matter how loyal you may be, it does not change the fact that Apple is a bit/niche (take your pick on the word to choose) in the OS market. I seriously too many people in Redmond lose sleep over an Apple OS release.

i happen to believe that and agree with his post. WWDC is scheduled two months after people thought it would be, Vista is delayed 2 months. Also, vista is currently using everything tiger is known for in vista.

i don't think that Apple is a niche in the OS market. Consumers use it, Video editors use it, students use it, some businesses use it, the army uses it, its just not as popular because big businesses generally use Windows and supply windows laptops for their employees and they buy windows desktops for home offices, etc. That's like saying BMW is a niche car company because not everyone can afford them and people can get better prices and power for a lower price with chevy (dell).

[dqm]

4% (?) market share is irrelevant no matter how you spin it. BMW and Apple?? Not quite an apples to apples comparison.

Far more people can afford a computer compared to buying an M3.

[1dterbeest]

but by your comparison

$500 Dell vs. $2000 Apple

$1200 Chevy vs. $48,000 BMW

The percentages line up here.

[tutubibi]

I see they quoted "Analyst Rob Enderle".

Sure sign that article is worthless read (and written by "expert" :D)

[macnulty]

but by your comparison

$500 Dell vs. $2000 Apple

$1200 Chevy vs. $48,000 BMW

The percentages line up here.

Typo? :D $1200 Chevy, maybe when they finish laying off everyone.

[Timepass]

i happen to believe that and agree with his post. WWDC is scheduled two months after people thought it would be, Vista is delayed 2 months. Also, vista is currently using everything tiger is known for in vista.

i don't think that Apple is a niche in the OS market. Consumers use it, Video editors use it, students use it, some businesses use it, the army uses it, its just not as popular because big businesses generally use Windows and supply windows laptops for their employees and they buy windows desktops for home offices, etc. That's like saying BMW is a niche car company because not everyone can afford them and people can get better prices and power for a lower price with chevy (dell).

You should releize that vista has been feature lock already. They are not going to really be adding anything new to it. Anything that they would "copy" from leapord would require more than 2 months to copy since vista is going out to the buniness in november and you can do the math on how little time there would be bettween that mac world and novermeber shiping date. Btw it be at least least 2 months of minor things being fix test and re tested so they need to have everything added to a near complete verson of Vista by Setemeber so that almost no time to add anything new to it.

I think the comment just shows how little Mac commenity knows or understands about coding anything much less an OS. It just happens to be they are the same lenth of time. Besides do you really think M$ wouldnt know about what going on a head of time big time since they are the largest delevpor of Apple software outside of apple. I really dont think any thing at accountment of leapord is going to suprise them. They would more than likely of known about it well in advance.

[plinden]

I think the comment just shows how little Mac commenity knows or understands about coding anything much less an OS.
Wow. That's a BIG assumption to make about the Mac "commenity" (sic) from a few throwaway comments on a forum.

I'm not the only professional software engineer who regularly posts here. A lot of us have a lot more experience with the software development process that you do, and none of us would think that MS are going to copy Leopard in the time they have ... perhaps in Vista SP1, but not before its general release.

Something about your posts is familiar ... the spelling and grammar is slightly better, but you're not Timelessblur are you, returned under a slightly different name?

[Timepass]

Wow. That's a BIG assumption to make about the Mac "commenity" (sic) from a few throwaway comments on a forum.

I'm not the only professional software engineer who regularly posts here. A lot of us have a lot more experience with the software development process that you do, and none of us would think that MS are going to copy Leopard in the time they have ... perhaps in Vista SP1, but not before its general release.



That what I get for not thinking all the way though. It should of been stated more that comments like that mac the apple commenity look a bunch of idoits who know little about doing any design work. I know there are quite a few who know what they are doing and understrand the turth but then there is the flip side of the coin on where they dont know anything about it.

That small group would be the one calling M$ copy cats if apple release something 1 day before they did (that was huge) and then the next day M$ release something a lot like it and before hand neither side knew anything about what the other was working on. It was just luck. But that being said for something to be copied in vista from leapord I am thinking it be at best a lot later on. SP1 more than likely will be fixing several things that come up after a mass release and then adding in stuff that they orginally wanted in vista. By sp2 maybe the coping will be in place.

[shamino]

just a friendly reminder to everyone that vista is really, actually, still 2 years AHEAD of schedule despite this delay, since they pulled WinFS from the final product.

and anything else that might actually have been useful. :rolleyes:

the original release slate was mid 2009 while WinFS was still being included...
Depends on how you define "original".

I remember reading MS press releases claiming that Longhorn would ship (with WinFS) in mid-2004.

Of course, nobody seriously believed them. I told everybody "add two years to whatever they say", making it mid-2006. I guess I should start adding three years to Microsoft's first-announced release dates.

If they're now announcing 2009 for WinFS, I'm going to tell the world 2012 ;)

[shamino]

but by your comparison

$500 Dell vs. $2000 Apple
$1200 Chevy vs. $48,000 BMW

The percentages line up here.
Assuming you meant to say "$12,000 Chevy"...

The one problem here is that Apple also sells $600 systems (20% more), but I don't think BMW doesn't sells any $14,000 cars.

And Dell sells $2000 computers. Of course, Chevy sells $50,000 cars (the Corvette).

Of course, Apple and Dell also sell $3000+ systems. Does BMW or Chevy ship any $72,000+ cars? I don't think so.

[avus]

Does BMW or Chevy ship any $72,000+ cars? I don't think so.

BMW does, both 6 series and 7 series actually start from $71,800!

I am sick of car analogy, it is often stupid and wrong, so FORGET IT, people!

[Stridder44]

BMW does, both 6 series and 7 series actually start from $71,800!

I am sick of car analogy, it is often stupid and wrong, so FORGET IT, people!

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[triangle]

WinFS seems to me to be a really interesting structure. I've searched to get some info on it and came upon this source http://www.ntfs.com/ There's much useful data on the subject there. If you wish, you might give it a glance.