Glad to see we're still living in the 1800s

[yg17]

Some of the most depressing stuff I've read (from another forum I frequent, thread about Hillary Clinton):

I wouldn't vote for a woman president. I wouldn't feel comfortable having a woman run this country. I just don't think one could handle it.
In response to: "I think people forget that this isn't the 1940s where a woman's place was in the kitchen."
Right...keep telling yourself that.
I just wouldn't feel comfortable with a woman being president. Like I said before, it depends on the candidate. I'd like to hear what she has to offer, how she acts, etc.. But right now, I would not vote for a woman. You can argue with me all you want, I'm still going to say the same thing.
This is a mans country.

These people are pathetic. Not wanting to vote for someone because of their political beliefs is one thing....not wanting to vote for someone simply because they don't have a dick is another. It really is sickening how behind the times we are.

[yankeefan24]

i wouldn't vote for hilary because of her political beliefs, but i think that voting for someone or not just because of their sex is just sad.

remember,

GUILIANI '08

[TheMonarch]

You can't run this country without testicles![/sarcasm]

Sad, I know... Each of them gets one vote.

[WildCowboy]

You can't run this country without testicles![/sarcasm]

Sad, I know... Each of them gets one vote.

Each testicle? ;)

[Benjamindaines]

Here's the plan, we find a woman candidate, dress her up as a man, get her elected, keep her dressed / disguised as a man, and on the last day of her term revile that she is not a man. That's what America and the world needs.

[stubeeef]

Here's the plan, we find a woman candidate, dress her up as a man, get her elected, keep her dressed / disguised as a man, and on the last day of her term revile that she is not a man. That's what America and the world needs.

Sounds a lot like the clinton administration, most believe Hilly was the real force in the white house.

[Sedulous]

Sounds a lot like the clinton administration, most believe Hilly was the real force in the white house.

Really? While Hillary certainly wasn't diminutive, I never got the impression she ran the White House.

Strange how other nations have recently elected female leaders. There was a time when the U.S. was the groundbreaker in civil liberties.

[miloblithe]

There was a time when the U.S. was the groundbreaker in civil liberties.

And that was a long long long time ago.

[leekohler]

I just never really liked her. I'm fine with a woman President, but not Hillary.

[Stella]

Some of the most depressing stuff I've read (from another forum I frequent, thread about Hillary Clinton):


In response to: "I think people forget that this isn't the 1940s where a woman's place was in the kitchen."




These people are pathetic. Not wanting to vote for someone because of their political beliefs is one thing....not wanting to vote for someone simply because they don't have a dick is another. It really is sickening how behind the times we are.


Those quotes are just extremely sad. Which country where they from? I bet I can guess where from!

Women can lead a country probably far better than men can. Less wars too - more compromise.

Thanks for highlight them yg17. Some people really need to grow up and live in the real world.

[ahunter3]

I just never really liked her. I'm fine with a woman President, but not Hillary.

She doesn't particularly inspire me (although I think she works hard)... I'd vote for her with great enthusiasm if she sews up the Dem nom and the Republicans run another social conservative.

If the Dems are going female I'd rather they go with Feinstein, though.


I'll tell you something else: if I vote Republican, it would almost have to be for a female candidate. And not Condi Rice. One of the esteemed Senators from Maine, perhaps: Susan Collins (R) or Olympia Snowe (R)

[yg17]

Which country where they from? I bet I can guess where from!

All from the US. St. Louis, MO, or the surrounding area. It's a local site.

[miloblithe]

Women can lead a country probably far better than men can. Less wars too - more compromise.

Indira Ghandi compromising?
Margarett Thatcher unwilling to go to war over 2000 sheep and a bunch of rocks?

[bousozoku]

All from the US. St. Louis, MO, or the surrounding area. It's a local site.

Most likely they were all white men, too. They're the ones most in fear of change in the U.S.A. They were the only ones benefitting from the way things were in the 1950s.

I've seen a few white women say similar things. They seem share the fear of change.

[solvs]

GUILIANI '08
I especially like how he left his wife while she was in the hospital recovering from a potentially lethal illness so he could be with his mistress.

As for Hillary, she's actually a lot more conservative than people give her credit for. I just don't like her. Many different reasons, none of which have anything to do with her gender.

[Thomas Veil]

You can't run this country without testicles!Oh, crap, then we'll never get a Democrat elected! :(

[asherman13]

I would seriously have issues with a Guiliani v. Clinton election in '08, the first of which would be deciding who to vote for!

[solvs]

I would seriously have issues with a Guiliani v. Clinton election in '08, the first of which would be deciding who to vote for!
Canada.

[Stella]

All from the US. St. Louis, MO, or the surrounding area. It's a local site.


Yep, I was right...the states.

:rolleyes:

Why am I not surprised? All you have had are rich white presidents. The 'common' person could not possibly get elected.

[stubeeef]

Really? While Hillary certainly wasn't diminutive, I never got the impression she ran the White House.

Strange how other nations have recently elected female leaders. There was a time when the U.S. was the groundbreaker in civil liberties.

To elect someone based on their "demographic" is lunatic! I personnally hoped Jean Kirkpatrick had been more involved on the elected side of things, I voted for Elizabeth Dole, and think she is wonderful, and M Thatcher was great IMHO. But to elect someone cause they are black, female, gay, or have ADD, is not a reason. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

I wish we could get better candidates, it is a real problem. I wish that the choices weren't W & Kerry. But I would not vote for Hilliary any more than I would Ted Kennedy, and it has nothing to do with the fact they are both white.

[Lyle]

Strange how other nations have recently elected female leaders. There was a time when the U.S. was the groundbreaker in civil liberties.To elect someone based on their "demographic" is lunatic! ... to elect someone cause they are black, female, gay, or have ADD, is not a reason.I don't think Sedulous was suggesting that the U.S. elect a female president just because "it's their turn" (or that other nations have elected female leaders for that reason).

But it's worth pondering why we haven't seen very many female presidential candidates in the U.S., especially given the poor selection of white male presidential candidates as of late. The problem isn't that there just aren't any qualified women out there.

[XNine]

Whiel I don't speak for myself on this particular point, many people do believe that women are unfit to run the country. A good point is that women (in general) are too emotional and not logical. Another good point is that a lot of these female candidates have never foguht in a war (funny enough, neither have our last couple of president, who are male.)

I'd vote for someone if they knew what they were doing and weren't completely on one side, no matter male or female. I hate both democrats and republicans because they're either on one side of the fence or the other. None of them ever take the chance to scale the fence, sit on top of it and spit...

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

[...]and M Thatcher was great IMHO. [...]Isn't that more or less a bannable offence here...? :confused:

:p

[_bnkr612]

Gore/(Bill)Clinton 2008.

Can Bill run for vice pres?

If not, Gore/Dean would be ideal. Regardless, dems need candidates with oh, how do you say it... BALLS.

Power to females for running; I just don't see Hilary as an ideal President.

[IJ Reilly]

How many believe that Al Gore would have been president if his running mate wasn't Jewish?

[LethalWolfe]

Women can lead a country probably far better than men can. Less wars too - more compromise.

Why, because girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Funny comment to make in a thread about gender stereotyping.

Man, woman, democrat, republican, black, white, purple, jackass, nice guy... really don't care as long as they can do the job.


Lethal

[Josh]

Vote for someone's views (ie, their mind), not their gender/race.

While I feel a woman could do the job just as well as anyone else, I think it would be unsuccessful due to the fact that many people aren't ready for it and still have 1800's-ish ignorant views.

So we'd have to decide what's better: A man running the country poorly who a lot of people support.

or a woman running the country well, whom the majority aren't supporting.

Personally, I'd go with the latter. I tend to think that the second the majority accepts something, there must be something wrong with it.

However, the problem (if it is to be seen as such) with a woman running the country transcends more than just presidency. There is a lack of women in leading roles in just about every aspect of our system. I think that if a woman became president before we're able to give leading roles to women elsewhere, then that pinpoints a major problem in our society, and, would likely be an indication that she was elected just to give women 'their turn,' as one user stated.

Women and men are equally capable and qualified for such positions. But let's not try to run before we've learned to crawl.

[katchow]

Whiel I don't speak for myself on this particular point, many people do believe that women are unfit to run the country. A good point is that women (in general) are too emotional and not logical. Another good point is that a lot of these female candidates have never foguht in a war (funny enough, neither have our last couple of president, who are male.)


i'm guessing you don't get many dates :rolleyes:

and what are men in general? too macho and not logical?

[Stella]

Isn't that more or less a bannable offence here...? :confused:

:p

How about M.Thatcher was / is, sex on legs?!

( thats sooo gross!)

[hcuar]

I'd vote for Condi. :eek:

[Stella]

Why, because girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Funny comment to make in a thread about gender stereotyping.

Man, woman, democrat, republican, black, white, purple, jackass, nice guy... really don't care as long as they can do the job.


Lethal

I agree with you second point.

Women can't do much more of a worse job then men already have... its pretty dismal record - human's history has been made up of war and killing.

[OnceUGoMac]

Yep, I was right...the states.

:rolleyes:

Why am I not surprised? All you have had are rich white presidents. The 'common' person could not possibly get elected.

Yeah, Lincoln, Truman, and Clinton were born into rich industrialist families. :rolleyes:

As I've mentioned to you before in previous threads, do your research before making blankent statements.

[bousozoku]

Yep, I was right...the states.

:rolleyes:

Why am I not surprised? All you have had are rich white presidents. The 'common' person could not possibly get elected.

The common person isn't as likely to be swayed by greed. Anything is possible, but a common person in office might try to ban the lobbyists and follow his own moral code instead of the capital way. We couldn't have that, could we? What would happen to free enterprise if politicians weren't up for sale?

[pseudobrit]

Really? While Hillary certainly wasn't diminutive, I never got the impression she ran the White House.

Strange how other nations have recently elected female leaders. There was a time when the U.S. was the groundbreaker in civil liberties.

Other than stubeef, I'd like to know who thinks Hillary was the driving force in the White House. Bill Clinton was quite capable and had enough drive on his own. Hillary may have played a much larger role than most First Ladies, but she certainly wasn't the biggest influence in Clinton's presidency.

But apparently he thinks "most believe" this.

[IJ Reilly]

Other than stubeef, I'd like to know who thinks Hillary was the driving force in the White House. Bill Clinton was quite capable and had enough drive on his own. Hillary may have played a much larger role than most First Ladies, but she certainly wasn't the biggest influence in Clinton's presidency.

But apparently he thinks "most believe" this.

And on FOX, "sources say..."

[pseudobrit]

What would happen to free enterprise if politicians weren't up for sale?

It would be free enterprise for real.

[solvs]

How many believe that Al Gore would have been president if his running mate wasn't Jewish?
I've often thought that, but no one else seems to want to mention it (even though Joe is actually quite conservative). I wonder how Feingold would do. Not saying it's right (the opposite actually) but I hope the Dems are smart enough in '08 to realize the country is still racist and misogynistic, and not elect a Hillary/Feingold ticket.

Personally, I would vote for him in a heatbeat, but sadly know he probably wouldn't win. Maybe as a VP if the Rep candidate was deplorable, but he's also been pegged as a some sort of "liberal wacko" for the censure thing, which ironically is what is making him so popular to the rest of us. Hillary doesn't have a chance no matter what, so I'm hoping she's just a distraction for the right's attack dogs.

I'd vote for Condi. :eek:
Why? She hasn't exactly done a very good job. Regardless of gender or race. Please tell me you're joking, or allow me to point to the article about how she was shoe shopping during Katrina (not to mention "Bin Laden Determined to Attack the US").

[IJ Reilly]

I've often thought that, but no one else seems to want to mention it (even though Joe is actually quite conservative). I wonder how Feingold would do. Not saying it's right (the opposite actually) but I hope the Dems are smart enough in '08 to realize the country is still racist and misogynistic, and not elect a Hillary/Feingold ticket.

Personally, I would vote for him in a heatbeat, but sadly know he probably wouldn't win. Maybe as a VP if the Rep candidate was deplorable, but he's also been pegged as a some sort of "liberal wacko" for the censure thing, which ironically is what is making him so popular to the rest of us. Hillary doesn't have a chance no matter what, so I'm hoping she's just a distraction for the right's attack dogs.

I'll mention it, the elephant standing right in the middle of the room. The Republicans would like nothing better than to run a presidential campaign against a woman named Clinton and a Jew named Feingold.

Why? She hasn't exactly done a very good job. Regardless of gender or race. Please tell me you're joking, or allow me to point to the article about how she was shoe shopping during Katrina (not to mention "Bin Laden Determined to Attack the US").

What that the quality of her work figured into the political calculation! Again, the elephant in the room: If Rice could find her way onto the ticket, the Republicans could then characterize any questions about her views, past actions, or suitability for the job as "liberal racism." This would fit perfectly into the entire right wing schema.

[solvs]

If Rice could find her way onto the ticket, the Republicans could then characterize any questions about her views, past actions, or suitability for the job as "liberal racism."
Sure, but while we're being honest, do you really think a majority of neocons (cough, especially some of the southerners) would ever vote for a woman, any woman? Let alone a black one. Even if she is running against Hillary. I'm pretty sure their heads would just explode.

Lest anyone think I feel that way, I fully support Aaron McGruder's proposal to elect Oprah.

[Mike Teezie]

I doubt it. I really, really hope the Dems are smart enough to know that nominating Hillary is a losing play. I hope it's different in other part os the country, but after the last presidential elections, I've learned to forget hope.

People hate Hillary here, and I don't know why. Most of my liberal friends don't really like her even. They love Bill, but not Hillary.

I don't mind her so much, but admittedly I've not followed her a great a deal.

[solvs]

I like the way Henry Rollins puts it. The only reason he'd like Hillary as pres would be having Bill be able to do whatever he wanted in his personal life, and there's nothing anyone like Sean Hannity can do but complain. It was funny what he said about Condie too. He'd love to see a black lesbian pres... just not her. Ha! That guy's a ****in' genious.

[Thomas Veil]

...admittedly I've not followed her a great a deal.That's not what the FBI says... ;)

[IJ Reilly]

Sure, but while we're being honest, do you really think a majority of neocons (cough, especially some of the southerners) would ever vote for a woman, any woman? Let alone a black one. Even if she is running against Hillary. I'm pretty sure their heads would just explode.

Lest anyone think I feel that way, I fully support Aaron McGruder's proposal to elect Oprah.

That's funny. I thought Oprah had already elected herself.

[mactastic]

I like the way Henry Rollins puts it. The only reason he'd like Hillary as pres would be having Bill be able to do whatever he wanted in his personal life, and there's nothing anyone like Sean Hannity can do but complain. It was funny what he said about Condie too. He'd love to see a black lesbian pres... just not her. Ha! That guy's a ****in' genious.
Ah good old Hank... I think I liked him better when he was a skinny punk singing about TV parties.

I wonder if he's still pissing in the gene pool... (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1880985004/104-9637333-3235163?v=glance&n=283155)

[solvs]

That's funny. I thought Oprah had already elected herself.
If only. She would have done a better job that the last couple of guys. Couldn't exactly do worse, but you know what I mean.

[Leareth]

I thought that women could not become presidents under the US constitution:
Over 50 years of age, land owner and man...

I dont think the US is ready for a female leader. and the way the religious right is going wont be for some time.

[zimv20]

TV parties.
"that's incredible!" "hill street blues!"

[solvs]

Over 50 years of age, land owner and man...
According to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States):
The president must be a natural-born citizen of the United States (or a citizen of the United States at the time the U.S. Constitution was adopted), be at least 35 years old, and have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.

[StarbucksSam]

How many believe that Al Gore would have been president if his running mate wasn't Jewish?

Sadly, yes. I do.

[mactastic]

"that's incredible!" "hill street blues!"
Dallas!

Showing your age, eh? :p

[Sayhey]

For the record, I'd work for Hillary over any of the possible GOP candidates, but, given her stance on the war in Iraq, she is not my first choice. I think people underestimate her chances. I think she can win against most of the GOP field - McCain the most notable exception. If I get to choose, I want either Gore or Feingold. I like people who have stood up to Bush on the critical issues of the day when it wasn't politically expedient.

[IJ Reilly]

My biggest reservations about Hillary Clinton running for president are:

(1) She'd be supported by many within her party for no other reason than she's a political rock star, and not because she exhibits any particularly compelling political ideas or skills.

(2) Her nomination would be a GOP dream come true, for obvious reasons.

I'd like to see Russ Feingold run, and though I doubt he could win either the nomination or the election, he would certainly pepper up the Democrats just by being in the race, as Howard Dean did in 2004.

[Sayhey]

My biggest reservations about Hillary Clinton running for president are:

(1) She'd be supported by many within her party for no other reason than she's a political rock star, and not because she exhibits any particularly compelling political ideas or skills.

(2) Her nomination would be a GOP dream come true, for obvious reasons.

I'd like to see Russ Feingold run, and though I doubt he could win either the nomination or the election, he would certainly pepper up the Democrats just by being in the race, as Howard Dean did in 2004.

I agree with most of this, but I do think Hillary has very compelling political ideas (just not ones I always agree with) and skills (just not always ones I appreciate.) Yes, it would help the GOP to rally their base of Clinton haters, but it would also tap a very deep reservoir of sentiment of people who would like to see a woman get the chance to be President. Which would bring more people out is anyone's guess.

As to Feingold, you and I are in agreement and I'm convinced he is running.

[zimv20]

If I get to choose, I want either Gore or Feingold.
same here.

[solvs]

Which would bring more people out is anyone's guess.
You must not have read the thread then. No chance she'd win. None in the least. There are Dems that wouldn't vote for her, and plenty of women who wouldn't no matter what she called herself. Not to mention misogynistic men and even moderate Reps who can't stand her for various reasons, valid and not. That's why neocons are salivating over running against her because they know they'd have a shot. Hopefully Dems aren't stupid enough to elect her, but I think she knows she can't win anyway and is taking the heat on purpose. She's good like that.

As to Feingold, you and I are in agreement and I'm convinced he is running.
I would love to see him run, and win. Even as VP. Sadly, I don't know if it would happen. At least we know if he was VP, we wouldn't have to worry about some redneck gunning for whoever runs as pres for the Dems if they win. Based on the people I've seen on forums similar to that in the OP, they'd rather have some somewhat moderate hippy liberal like Bill that a jew in charge. Sad to say, but this country still has pretty far to go.

If you recall, wasn't too long ago there was an uproar over a Catholic becoming pres. Of course, he did win. But look what happened to him.

[freeny]

I'd vote for Condi. :eek:
Voting is for suckers.;)