God Kills Soldiers Because US Supports Gays [Archive]

XNine

Mar 24, 2006, 09:40 AM

I just saw on one of my local news channels, a story about how a law will be passed prohibiting funeral protests here in Colorado. The protests are specific to soldiers who died in Iraq.

The reason the protesters are there: "God is killing our soldiers because we support homosexuality in the United States."

Some of the picket signs read of course:
"God hates fags, God hates the USA," and my favorite "Gays Kill Soldiers."

:rolleyes:

And here I thought I lived in a state which was more proactive on co-existant living.. Guess I was wrong.

Anyway, this is just one more example of the stupidity of Pat Robertson's disciples and brethren.

GOOD JOB AMERICA! Way to support our troops when they're doing a job they're ordered to do!

Daveway

Mar 24, 2006, 09:43 AM

Do you have a link to that news station?

Lyle

Mar 24, 2006, 10:07 AM

Also being discussed in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=185739).

Anyway, this is just one more example of the stupidity of Pat Robertson's disciples and brethren.I believe the protestors are from the Westboro Baptist Church (not affiliated with Pat Robertson's "disciples and brethren").

Thomas Veil

Mar 24, 2006, 10:14 AM

And the subject actually began way back in this one (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=157786).

XNine

Mar 24, 2006, 10:24 AM

Do you have a link to that news station?

This is the news station: http://wb2.trb.com/

But can't find anything worth a damn on the site anyway.

Lyle

Mar 24, 2006, 10:34 AM

Google (http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=funeral%20protest%20colorado) can point you to a number of news stories about the proposed bill in Colorado.

As Thomas noted, this topic has come up before in recent history when other states have considered similar measures. One story (http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_082182811.html) I read said that Indiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Wisconsin have already enacted laws similar to the one proposed in Colorado, and another 27 states are considering it.

Sdashiki

Mar 24, 2006, 11:45 AM

My favorite God hates Fags picture:

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I wish I could find the larger version.

for those who cant read, the two people on either side of Phelps have T-Shirts with "He's" and "Gay" on their shirts.

Funny how I dont see the word HATE anywhere in the Bible....yet they quote it.

scem0

Mar 24, 2006, 12:29 PM

The gay agenda is wide and cruel! In addition to killing US soldiers, we like to steal candy from babies, throw itching powder into your dryer with your laundry, pee in your lemonade, and rape defenseless children. Beware!

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Heb1228

Mar 24, 2006, 12:38 PM

These guys have been in the news before. They're idiots. If they showed up at a funeral I was attending, I'd walk over and break their signs over their heads.

EDIT: John Hinderaker at Powerline, a lawyer himself, has argued that there shouldn't be a law passed, but these kinds of things should be left to "informal sanctions."

link
(http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013451.php)As a lawyer, I suppose I shouldn't complain; but as a citizen, I think it's ridiculous. If a bunch of crazies show up waving signs at a funeral, the appropriate course is for an able-bodied man--there should be at least one at any funeral--to take a sign and break it over the ringleader's head. One of the basic problems in our society is that nearly all informal sanctions have been forfeited, so that there is hardly any middle ground between passive acceptance of antisocial behavior and a felony prosecution. Legislation and criminal prosecution are blunt instruments that cannot be brought to bear against every deviancy that may arise.

Funny how I dont see the word HATE anywhere in the Bible....yet they quote it.
Actually, it seems to occur 128 times.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=hate&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no

But that doesn't mean these people are right.

XNine

Mar 24, 2006, 12:42 PM

These guys have been in the news before. They're idiots. If they showed up at a funeral I was attending, I'd walk over and break their signs over their heads.

I think we're brothers...

LYLE: sorry, I would have provided a better link, but at Work I'm restricted from Search Engines. Thank you for providing a couple. :)

2nyRiggz

Mar 24, 2006, 12:47 PM

Wow the ballz on some people...talking about God did this and that.....boy i tell ya some people are just stupid...thats it plain and simple.

Bless

hcuar

Mar 24, 2006, 12:56 PM

Some of the most ignorant, uninformed people are dedicated members of an organized religion. You're either with us... or against us.

If you're against us... you must be evil.

Kingsly

Mar 24, 2006, 12:58 PM

Lyle

Mar 24, 2006, 01:04 PM

I would like to give them a piece of my mind... in the form of a Mk. 12 thermonuclear warhead. :pOK, now I know the Bible definitely doesn't cover that.

bousozoku

Mar 24, 2006, 02:27 PM

That is some of the most disrespectful things I have ever heard anyone say... both toward the soldier's grieving families and to my religion. "Christians" like this are, IMO, missing a large part of their religion... a bible! If they ever picked it up and read it they would learn that Jesus preached peace and love and stressed to love one's enemies. The plain and simple fact is: GOD HATES NO ONE!!!!!!! You could be a multi murderer and God still loves you... (it is an unfortunate circumstance that the said murderer chose to distance himself from god.

I would like to give them a piece of my mind... in the form of a Mk. 12 thermonuclear warhead. :p

They've seen the verses talking about love, but they're told that it's only directed toward them. I've been with people who have been carefully guided through church services and sunday school to keep them ignorant.

How else would you find people against cutting women's hair or dancing or music in the church?

These people know that other Christians are terrible and that God wants them to repent their sins. The fact that they've chosen to pick up on certain things while ignoring others is the great thing about Christianity. It can be whatever you want.

These guys have been in the news before. They're idiots. If they showed up at a funeral I was attending, I'd walk over and break their signs over their heads.

I like that but they'd probably tell you that you weren't Christian.

Kingsly

Mar 24, 2006, 02:37 PM

They've seen the verses talking about love, but they're told that it's only directed toward them. I've been with people who have been carefully guided through church services and sunday school to keep them ignorant.

How else would you find people against cutting women's hair or dancing or music in the church?

These people know that other Christians are terrible and that God wants them to repent their sins. The fact that they've chosen to pick up on certain things while ignoring others is the great thing about Christianity. It can be whatever you want.
Thats the problem with a lot of organized religion and the media. Only the psycho nut-jobs are deemed news worthy. You never see the really down to earth, cool Christians (or muslims, or any other religion) that you would actually like for a friend.

jelloshotsrule

Mar 24, 2006, 03:21 PM

not to be a smartass, but... well. duh.

bousozoku

Mar 24, 2006, 04:15 PM

Thats the problem with a lot of organized religion and the media. Only the psycho nut-jobs are deemed news worthy. You never see the really down to earth, cool Christians (or muslims, or any other religion) that you would actually like for a friend.

Even when you do, they end the story with a somewhat hidden sarcastic remark.

Where I live, I'd rather know the muslims than the Christians because the everyday Christians are out of hand here.

Kingsly

Mar 24, 2006, 05:19 PM

Even when you do, they end the story with a somewhat hidden sarcastic remark.

Where I live, I'd rather know the muslims than the Christians because the everyday Christians are out of hand here.
I am curious, where do you live? I have had pretty good luck here in CA with churches.
There is a muslim guy at my school who is one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Far from current world stereotypes.

bousozoku

Mar 24, 2006, 05:23 PM

I am curious, where do you live? I have had pretty good luck here in CA with churches.
There is a muslim guy at my school who is one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Far from current world stereotypes.

I'm in Central Floriduh but I'm planning to move to the Los Angeles area soon.

leekohler

Mar 24, 2006, 05:30 PM

I'm in Central Floriduh but I'm planning to move to the Los Angeles area soon.

Yeesh- I can understand why you're moving. Good luck.

Kingsly

Mar 24, 2006, 06:10 PM

I'm in Central Floriduh but I'm planning to move to the Los Angeles area soon.
I like the way you spell it. Is it me, or is Miami stuck in the eighties?
Good luck coming out here. Maybe me, you , Dr. Q (I made a rhyme!), and a few others can have a Mac Rumors BBQ or something. :D

As for the OP, isn't there a biker group that is keeping protesters away from soldier's funerals or something?

XNine

Mar 24, 2006, 06:16 PM

I like the way you spell it. Is it me, or is Miami stuck in the eighties?
Good luck coming out here. Maybe me, you , Dr. Q (I made a rhyme!), and a few others can have a Mac Rumors BBQ or something. :D

As for the OP, isn't there a biker group that is keeping protesters away from soldier's funerals or something?

Not sure, all I saw this morning was some Representative that's FOR the bill talking about how in his opinion the views and expressions of these people are disgusting. They didn't add the reason behind the protests until it panned back to the news girl and then they wen to another story. WB2 news isn't that great, they tell the story how it is without going into extreme detail though. Plus there's one newscaster on there who's just hilarious. He's got the dryest sense of humor and always makes a comment about something.

solvs

Mar 24, 2006, 06:29 PM

I'm in Central Floriduh but I'm planning to move to the Los Angeles area soon.
It's nice here, but people are flaky. I just moved back from WA.

As I said in the other thread, this is not the place for protests. If it was an antiwar protest, I'd have a problem with it too, despite being very much against the war now. You just don't do that at a funeral. I like that the bikers are protecting the families of those killed without resorting to violence. I'm not a violent person, but I don't know if I'd have as much composure. These people are nuts, and every good Christian should be speaking out against them every chance they get. They should also be arrested. I'm all for protesting, but this is not the place to do it.

Rev. Phelps beat his kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps) too.

Kingsly

Mar 24, 2006, 07:29 PM

These people are nuts, and every good Christian should be speaking out against them every chance they get. They should also be arrested. I'm all for protesting, but this is not the place to do it.
I concur on all four points.

bousozoku

Mar 24, 2006, 10:37 PM

It's nice here, but people are flaky. I just moved back from WA.

As I said in the other thread, this is not the place for protests. If it was an antiwar protest, I'd have a problem with it too, despite being very much against the war now. You just don't do that at a funeral. I like that the bikers are protecting the families of those killed without resorting to violence. I'm not a violent person, but I don't know if I'd have as much composure. These people are nuts, and every good Christian should be speaking out against them every chance they get. They should also be arrested. I'm all for protesting, but this is not the place to do it.

Rev. Phelps beat his kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps) too.

There are flaky people everywhere. I think I'll take my chances there, though.

The trouble with having a protest against such things is that most don't want to step into the stoplight because it will be twisted that they're not supporting soldiers but gays. The media will not face it head on. They will contort the issue to meet their ratings requirements.

Kingsly: I guess a cookout would work. Who knows whether I can find anything or not. :D

zap2

Mar 24, 2006, 11:08 PM

God is used to justify anything... it fills me with fear when i think about how this "God or Gods" can be used to "allow"

dornoforpyros

Mar 25, 2006, 12:33 AM

how about "God Hates Ignorance"

Kingsly

Mar 25, 2006, 01:04 AM

how about "God Hates Ignorance"
True 'dat.
:p

xsedrinam

Mar 25, 2006, 01:44 AM

Aren't they the ones who made up the "Oklahomo" bumper stickers to protest Brokeback? Can't find a link, though.

solvs

Mar 26, 2006, 02:55 AM

There are flaky people everywhere. I think I'll take my chances there, though.
Don't get me wrong. It's nice and all. I actually grew up here. But people are very flaky. Very flaky. And rude. And they drive bad. Just a friendly warning, not trying to scare you off. It's still worth it to live here.

And Fred Phelps is still a self hating closet case, but I still wouldn't protest his funeral because you just don't do that.

bousozoku

Mar 26, 2006, 03:36 AM

Don't get me wrong. It's nice and all. I actually grew up here. But people are very flaky. Very flaky. And rude. And they drive bad. Just a friendly warning, not trying to scare you off. It's still worth it to live here.

And Fred Phelps is still a self hating closet case, but I still wouldn't protest his funeral because you just don't do that.

I remember when we lived in the San Fran bay area when I was little that people talked about Los Angeles as being a home for the weird. When I was there last June, I didn't find much of that.

Besides, what you've described and what I've encountered seem to be different degrees of the same thing. Central Floriduh is much worse and I have to deal with a lot of Christians hating their way to heaven.

leekohler

Mar 26, 2006, 03:49 AM

I remember when we lived in the San Fran bay area when I was little that people talked about Los Angeles as being a home for the weird. When I was there last June, I didn't find much of that.

Besides, what you've described and what I've encountered seem to be different degrees of the same thing. Central Floriduh is much worse and I have to deal with a lot of Christians hating their way to heaven.

You'll like CA, man. It's a fun place to be. If you're moving to LA, the weirdos are all on Venice Beach. That place is truly strange and wonderful.

solvs

Mar 26, 2006, 04:27 AM

Not that weird, just flaky and self involved. But still fun, especially if you're into clubs and/or art. Actually the "weird" people are some of the nicer ones. I have a friend in a band with pink hair and she's one of the nicest girls I've met in any state. To attempt to remain on topic, some would consider gay people weird, but the ones I know are pretty nice. Some of them are a little flaky though. :p
Central Floriduh is much worse
I forgot you were in FL too. This will more than likely be a step up. I would rather fight the traffic and deal with snotty wannabe actors and models all day than go back to FL. Must be the humidity.

It's hot here too, but it's a dry heat and we all have air conditioners. It's not as expensive as people say either. Like I said, don't want to scare you away. Just pissed because my flaky friends flaked on me again last night. Flakes. Meh.

mactastic

Mar 26, 2006, 12:11 PM

how about "God Hates Ignorance"
How about "God hates the Phelps family". ;)
(even though He wouldn't if He existed)

aquajet

Mar 27, 2006, 06:02 PM

Crap! It appears the religious right is hot on our trail. Obviously, they've got spies infiltrating our secret meetings. There may even be double agents. We queers need to step up our war against heterosexuality. We need to go into their churches and disrupt their services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers. Stop at nothing! God is dead! Our time is upon us!

Timepass

Mar 27, 2006, 08:47 PM

These guys have been in the news before. They're idiots. If they showed up at a funeral I was attending, I'd walk over and break their signs over their heads.

EDIT: John Hinderaker at Powerline, a lawyer himself, has argued that there shouldn't be a law passed, but these kinds of things should be left to "informal sanctions."

link
(http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013451.php)

Actually, it seems to occur 128 times.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=hate&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no

But that doesn't mean these people are right.

I think it should be better put no where in the bible does it every stated God or Jesus ever hated anything. If I rememeber correctly Jesus stated that hating falls under as a sin. and in his sermon on the mountian I believe he stated so much as hating or thinking ill of some one is the same as killing them. So by doing that you are breaking the 1st of 10 commandments.

All I know God teaches us to love one another and not to hate. He loves the human race and hates no one. He feels pain because of the fact that we comment sins against his creations and that we are not holy and because we are not holy we can not be with him. I could go into that a lot more but the rest of it relates to how Jesus died for our sins to make us holy so we can be with God.

bousozoku

Mar 27, 2006, 08:53 PM

I think it should be better put no where in the bible does it every stated God or Jesus ever hated anything. If I rememeber correctly Jesus stated that hating falls under as a sin. and in his sermon on the mountian I believe he stated so much as hating or thinking ill of some one is the same as killing them. So by doing that you are breaking the 1st of 10 commandments.

All I know God teaches us to love one another and not to hate. He loves the human race and hates no one. He feels pain because of the fact that we comment sins against his creations and that we are not holy and because we are not holy we can not be with him. I could go into that a lot more but the rest of it relates to how Jesus died for our sins to make us holy so we can be with God.

Yes, I remember being taught in Sunday School that it was just as bad to think about hurting someone as it was to actually hurt someone. So, you wonder how people can think that it's okay to eschew the Bible and do what they want.

solvs

Mar 27, 2006, 08:57 PM

So, you wonder how people can think that it's okay to eschew the Bible and do what they want.
Lots of people who aren't really Christian who use religion to justify their hatred, and the people that follow them because they don't know any better.

bousozoku

Mar 27, 2006, 09:35 PM

Lots of people who aren't really Christian who use religion to justify their hatred, and the people that follow them because they don't know any better.

Ignorance, the perfect weapon against reality. :rolleyes:

Even when I was growing up in the Presbyterian Church, I was surprised at how much horror the Pastor threw at us but no one ever told me that it was okay to hate other people.

solvs

Mar 27, 2006, 10:20 PM

Ignorance, the perfect weapon against reality. :rolleyes:
I hear it's bliss.

Even when I was growing up in the Presbyterian Church, I was surprised at how much horror the Pastor threw at us but no one ever told me that it was okay to hate other people.
You must have had a good one then. Or you weren't paying attention. :p That's why I left the church and haven't looked back. I can find religion just fine without someone having to yell it to me while making me feel guilty. Better even. Some people apparently don't have that luxury. Or they're just lazy. Or the pretending thing.

Timepass

Mar 27, 2006, 10:51 PM

Ignorance, the perfect weapon against reality. :rolleyes:

Even when I was growing up in the Presbyterian Church, I was surprised at how much horror the Pastor threw at us but no one ever told me that it was okay to hate other people.

yeah I dont like those pastors who do that all the time. I dont mind a hell and brim stone speech every now and then (them being few and far bettween). It all depends on the pastor. I have had some really good ones and I like how they gave there sermons heck even some very good fire and brime stone ones but it all in how they are done and they need to be few and far bettween.

But like others stated I hate when people start using reliegn like God hates so and so.

Now I can not ague agaist the church not wanting to marry gays. They do have biblical backing for that. But it very few that go on the hate gay thing. The bible does state that being gay is a sin but at the same time we all are constantily sinning and breaking the 10 commandments (and the entire gay thing is not part of the 10 commandments). Heck I know for a fact that the bible time and time again states hating is a sin. Unrightus anger is a sin. Heck we all are constantingly sinning.

Now I will state that I dont agree with how gays live there lives or there belief. But at the same time I dont think they should be prosicuted for it. I dont think of them as any less of a person. They are still human being and should be treated as such. With the same rights and protections. I think that the country should protect gay rights in the legally. It is there life and there belief. It along with the same lines is I dont agree with what mussuim believe. But do think of them like people.

I would perfer it called something other than the term marriage but I be ok with it. What I want is them to have the same legal protection and benifits as a married man and woman as far as the law as concerned.

I will like to stated that I am using the term gay refering to homosexauls it both male and female..

bousozoku

Mar 28, 2006, 12:08 AM

I hear it's bliss.

You must have had a good one then. Or you weren't paying attention. :p That's why I left the church and haven't looked back. I can find religion just fine without someone having to yell it to me while making me feel guilty. Better even. Some people apparently don't have that luxury. Or they're just lazy. Or the pretending thing.

There is a lot of bliss in this country, isn't there?

Well, you know, for a bunch of white people (Hungarians and Germans mostly) to accept a Japanese-white kid, they weren't so bad there. Hate and judgment by humans wasn't acceptable, though I remember half a block away something really nasty coming out of someone's mouth.

I still consider the Bible to be written specifically to keep certain people in power. What's better than writing that some deity made you the "chosen people" or saying that women serve?

The general idea is fine, but it's the specifics that have been interpreted to whatever flavour is desired because the original text is competely vague in most parts.

solvs

Mar 28, 2006, 05:59 PM

I still consider the Bible to be written specifically to keep certain people in power.
I hear the original was pretty good. It was after the rewrite that everything started going downhill. ;)

zimv20

Mar 28, 2006, 06:04 PM

It was after the rewrite that everything started going downhill. ;)
like anything written by committee.

skunk

Mar 28, 2006, 06:32 PM

I hear the original was pretty good. It was after the rewrite that everything started going downhill. ;)Actually, it's the selection process that's critical: there were over 100 gospels around in the third century. What were the criteria for selection of the canonical four?

bousozoku

Mar 28, 2006, 06:32 PM

I hear the original was pretty good. It was after the rewrite that everything started going downhill. ;)

As they say, "something was lost in the translation." ;)

I'm always interested in what can be considered absolute that's required subjective interjection for translation.

solvs

Mar 28, 2006, 07:17 PM

like anything written by committee.
At least they didn't decide to keep it gray (sorry, Futurama reference).

What were the criteria for selection of the canonical four?
Apparently you missed the other thread. Body count.

I'm always interested in what can be considered absolute that's required subjective interjection for translation.
That obvious. You have to follow everything. Even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff. I mean, have you ever read this thing? You're not even supposed to go to the bathroom according to it. You're a naughty child and that's consecrated evil coming out of you.

(sorry, 2 Simpsons and a Family Guy reference in there... I watch a lot of cartoons)

bousozoku

Mar 28, 2006, 08:47 PM

...
That obvious. You have to follow everything. Even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff. I mean, have you ever read this thing? You're not even supposed to go to the bathroom according to it. You're a naughty child and that's consecrated evil coming out of you.

(sorry, 2 Simpsons and a Family Guy reference in there... I watch a lot of cartoons)

Well, I was thinking about this earlier: what about all the people eating eggs and bacon? There is something against eating pork or any other cloven-hoof animal without a cud, at least, in the King James Version and earlier. Eggs are obviously full of chicken embryos. "Life starts at conception." has an impact here, right?

If it's all absolute, I don't think anyone would get through a whole day because of all the restrictions.

solvs

Mar 28, 2006, 09:09 PM

There is something against eating pork or any other cloven-hoof animal without a cud, at least, in the King James Version and earlier. Eggs are obviously full of chicken embryos. "Life starts at conception." has an impact here, right?
I've been told that when Jesus died, it somehow made those animals clean again. Seriously. Can't help you with the chicken embryos. Unborn animals are ok I guess. What about the part where you can't mix clothing fibers? I hope you aren't wearing a poly blend, otherwise you're going to Hell. ;)

leekohler

Mar 29, 2006, 12:07 AM

yeah I dont like those pastors who do that all the time. I dont mind a hell and brim stone speech every now and then (them being few and far bettween). It all depends on the pastor. I have had some really good ones and I like how they gave there sermons heck even some very good fire and brime stone ones but it all in how they are done and they need to be few and far bettween.

But like others stated I hate when people start using reliegn like God hates so and so.

Now I can not ague agaist the church not wanting to marry gays. They do have biblical backing for that. But it very few that go on the hate gay thing. The bible does state that being gay is a sin but at the same time we all are constantily sinning and breaking the 10 commandments (and the entire gay thing is not part of the 10 commandments). Heck I know for a fact that the bible time and time again states hating is a sin. Unrightus anger is a sin. Heck we all are constantingly sinning.

Now I will state that I dont agree with how gays live there lives or there belief. But at the same time I dont think they should be prosicuted for it. I dont think of them as any less of a person. They are still human being and should be treated as such. With the same rights and protections. I think that the country should protect gay rights in the legally. It is there life and there belief. It along with the same lines is I dont agree with what mussuim believe. But do think of them like people.

I would perfer it called something other than the term marriage but I be ok with it. What I want is them to have the same legal protection and benifits as a married man and woman as far as the law as concerned.

I will like to stated that I am using the term gay refering to homosexauls it both male and female..

I have to thank you for your well-reasoned post. I wish we heard from more Christian people like you. Just to clarify though- gay people are not a "belief" or a "lifestyle", we are a fact. But I think I know what you mean to say. Thank you for being supportive or at least, tolerant. We need to hear more voices like yours. You are needed more than you can imagine. Again, thank you. This is the Christianity I was taught to believe and is rare these days.