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vniow
Mar 24, 2006, 01:34 PM
This is truly getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:


http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=e7a0f0e1-ecfd-4fc8-bca4-b9997c912a91



jsw
Mar 24, 2006, 01:48 PM
Rome used to rule much of the civilized world.

China used to be centuries or almost millennia ahead of everyone else in many fields

Islamic states used to be the most scientifically advanced in the world.

Perhaps you've wondered what it was like to be in those countries as they fell. Most of them took centuries to do so.

We're lucky enough to see it happen in a decade or two.

OutThere
Mar 24, 2006, 01:53 PM
Rome used to rule much of the civilized world.

China used to be centuries or almost millennia ahead of everyone else in many fields

Islamic states used to be the most scientifically advanced in the world.

Perhaps you've wondered what it was like to be in those countries as they fell. Most of them took centuries to do so.

We're lucky enough to see it happen in a decade or two.

Too true.

Before long we'll have stepped back 500 years and some other power will be moving up...yet the people who are dragging the country into the dirt will be none the wiser...

Blind following is a bad bad way to be.

Doctor Q
Mar 24, 2006, 01:54 PM
A kid once told me she wasn't allowed to say the "E" word. I asked what she meant and she whispered "idiot".

jsw
Mar 24, 2006, 01:55 PM
A kid once told me she wasn't allowed to say the "E" word. I asked what she meant and she whispered "idiot".
Why did she insult you for asking?

xsedrinam
Mar 24, 2006, 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Doctor Q
A kid once told me she wasn't allowed to say the "E" word. I asked what she meant and she whispered "idiot".
Why did she insult you for asking?
I get it! Don't know about those from Arkansas, though. :D

leekohler
Mar 24, 2006, 02:07 PM
Welcome to the United "Christian" States of America. Why don't we just elect Falwell or Robertson President and be done with it? It'll push me to move to Canada sooner.

Ugg
Mar 24, 2006, 02:15 PM
It sounds like the good old USSR. What a nightmare it must be to be a teacher in Arkansas.

jsw
Mar 24, 2006, 02:37 PM
It sounds like the good old USSR. What a nightmare it must be to be a teacher in Arkansas.
There aren't any teachers there any more. They've just changed the titles to start with "pr" instead of 't'.

xsedrinam
Mar 24, 2006, 02:42 PM
There aren't any teachers there any more. They've just changed the titles to start with "pr" instead of 't'.
From what I last recall, winding through the roads around Hardy, the "pr" could well be replaced with "cr".

skunk
Mar 24, 2006, 02:47 PM
From what I last recall, winding through the roads around Hardy, the "pr" could well be replaced with "cr".Nice.;)

scem0
Mar 24, 2006, 02:54 PM
Next they won't be allowed to say that earth is round. And if they do then we'll stone them.

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i.Feature
Mar 24, 2006, 03:16 PM
A friend of mine went down to Colorodo on a teaching exchange (forgive me i can't remember the specific county). She was repremanded and kicked off the exchange in her first week because she discussed, out of the classroom, multiple topics including evolution and homosexuality. She was unaware of any wrong doing and was not informed until she was terminated from the program.

Danksi
Mar 24, 2006, 03:38 PM
Welcome to the United "Christian" States of America. Why don't we just elect Falwell or Robertson President and be done with it? It'll push me to move to Canada sooner.

Sorry, border's closed - nothing to see here! :cool:

XNine
Mar 24, 2006, 03:41 PM
A friend of mine went down to Colorodo on a teaching exchange (forgive me i can't remember the specific county). She was repremanded and kicked off the exchange in her first week because she discussed, out of the classroom, multiple topics including evolution and homosexuality. She was unaware of any wrong doing and was not informed until she was terminated from the program.

Gee, thanks, now I KNOW I lived in a ****hole state. Thanks.

I say we form a militia and throw our current government. Enoguh of this nonsense. We should also not allow Churches any tax exemption, and no one with any religious agendas will be allowed to run the country, and the PEOPLE will run the government, not politicians and the rich.

i.Feature: Please tell your friend I'm sorryw hat happened to her from a Coloradoan.

Lyle
Mar 24, 2006, 04:18 PM
"It is telling that none of the people I spoke with were willing to be identified or to allow me to reveal their respective institutions..."It's also convenient for the article's author. I would have thrown in some death threats or something to make the story a little more cloak-and-dagger, myself.

solvs
Mar 24, 2006, 06:46 PM
It's also convenient for the article's author. I would have thrown in some death threats or something to make the story a little more cloak-and-dagger, myself.
Are you saying you don't believe it? Not saying it's true, but looking at the stuff coming from Kansas and North Carolina lately, I'd say the fact that it's so believable these days is pretty telling.

blackfox
Mar 24, 2006, 07:36 PM
what is it about states with "kansas" in their names?

(Although I like to think of Arkansas as the "pirate" kansas.)

Kingsly
Mar 24, 2006, 07:36 PM
Welcome to the United "Christian" States of America.
While I agree that Arkansas' method is overkill, I don't see why people are dragging Christianity into the issue. Evolution is a THEORY. Kids read the first chapter of their science books that teach about the scientific method and then the book goes on to teach evolution as a fact-completly contradicting the scientific method.
The same thing with abortion. LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF IT!!! We will never solve the issue if the opposing parties are on completely different pages. (no pun intended)

By all means, believe whatever you want but please teach Evolution as a theory because thats what it is. </rant>

IJ Reilly
Mar 24, 2006, 08:07 PM
While I agree that Arkansas' method is overkill, I don't see why people are dragging Christianity into the issue. Evolution is a THEORY. Kids read the first chapter of their science books that teach about the scientific method and then the book goes on to teach evolution as a fact-completly contradicting the scientific method.
The same thing with abortion. LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF IT!!! We will never solve the issue if the opposing parties are on completely different pages. (no pun intended)

By all means, believe whatever you want but please teach Evolution as a theory because thats what it is. </rant>

Gravity is a theory, but just try to get along without it. General Relativity is also a theory, but much of modern physics depends upon it.

A theory is not an idea which may be entirely false, it is an idea supported by empirical evidence. The entire concept of what a scientific theory is and is not is being actively distorted by one side in this debate, which is why we can't just call evolution a "theory" and get on with it. Science itself is under attack.

Ugg
Mar 24, 2006, 09:36 PM
While I agree that Arkansas' method is overkill, I don't see why people are dragging Christianity into the issue. Evolution is a THEORY. Kids read the first chapter of their science books that teach about the scientific method and then the book goes on to teach evolution as a fact-completly contradicting the scientific method.
The same thing with abortion. LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF IT!!! We will never solve the issue if the opposing parties are on completely different pages. (no pun intended)

By all means, believe whatever you want but please teach Evolution as a theory because thats what it is. </rant>

Few theories remain unchanged over the years. The fact that they remain as theories as opposed to being swept away is that the core idea is factual. IF they were false they would be fairly quickly removed. Science is littered with theories that never made it past the starting gate.

There's a big difference between theories in progress that have continually been tested and untested theories. The distinction is important and anyone who discounts the success of the Theory of Evolution is discounting all of science.

Stella
Mar 24, 2006, 10:23 PM
In a couple hundred of years, the u.s will be no more than religious state ( just as many Middle East countries are today ), if the current trend continues.... and most certainly science-phobic.

xsedrinam
Mar 25, 2006, 01:39 AM
In a couple hundred of years, the u.s will be no more than religious state ( just as many Middle East countries are today ), if the current trend continues.... and most certainly science-phobic.
Just don't plan on voting for Strom Thurmond's great, great grandson in 2204, and we might dodge the bullet. :)

dornoforpyros
Mar 26, 2006, 01:12 AM
reminds me of that Queens of the Stone Age gig poster... "Listen to music while you still can" with a picture of bush on it.

Hey to any of you yanks getting more and more scared of your government let me be the first to invite/welcome you to Canada. :D

We've got gay marriages, semi-legal pot and a minority government that can't get anything done because it can topple at the drop of a hat.

calebjohnston
Mar 26, 2006, 01:17 AM
Next they won't be allowed to say that earth is round. And if they do then we'll stone them.

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ROUND!? WHAT!?

OutThere
Mar 26, 2006, 01:50 AM
While I agree that Arkansas' method is overkill, I don't see why people are dragging Christianity into the issue. Evolution is a THEORY. Kids read the first chapter of their science books that teach about the scientific method and then the book goes on to teach evolution as a fact-completly contradicting the scientific method.
The same thing with abortion. LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF IT!!! We will never solve the issue if the opposing parties are on completely different pages. (no pun intended)

By all means, believe whatever you want but please teach Evolution as a theory because thats what it is. </rant>

That's wrong. This is how it works:

Fact: When you drop a baseball it is pulled to the ground.
Fact: You are held down to the ground when you walk.
Fact: When you roll out of bed, you fall to the floor.
Fact: When you hit a golfball it is pulled towards the ground.

Theory: Gravitation.


Facts provide evidence and support for theories, while theories explain the observations.

The problem with the word 'theory' is that in common sense it's used to imply speculation. People who deny the existence of evolution have taken this very far, using the "it's a theory!" argument to convince people who never learned anything about the scientific method or basic scientific vocabulary that evolution is speculative and questionable.

Grrr.

leekohler
Mar 26, 2006, 02:34 AM
While I agree that Arkansas' method is overkill, I don't see why people are dragging Christianity into the issue. Evolution is a THEORY. Kids read the first chapter of their science books that teach about the scientific method and then the book goes on to teach evolution as a fact-completly contradicting the scientific method.
The same thing with abortion. LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF IT!!! We will never solve the issue if the opposing parties are on completely different pages. (no pun intended)

By all means, believe whatever you want but please teach Evolution as a theory because thats what it is. </rant>

Are you seriously trying to deny that there's a right-wing religious component to this?

solvs
Mar 26, 2006, 03:12 AM
Just don't plan on voting for Strom Thurmond's great, great grandson in 2204, and we might dodge the bullet. :)
At this rate, I doubt we'll have a black candidate even by then. ;)

And evolution is taught as a theory because it's ever changing. I don't see what the problem is. Science is the pursuit of answers, which are ever changing. Doesn't discount god at all. Who says a day to god doesn't = a billion years to a human? As I understand it, we were given brains to use them.