Quad-Core Intels (Kentsfield) in Q1 2007?

[MacRumors]

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Digitimes claims (http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060327A5019.html) that Intel will be introducing their first Quad-core CPUs in the first quarter of 2007.

The Quad core chip is codenamed "Kentsfield". They also report that Intel's dual-core Conroe chip which is speculated to make its way into Apple PowerMacs (Mac Pros?) this fall will be introduced in September of this year.

[kozmic stu]

Wow! High powered!

[iriejedi]

Wow! High powered!

Should be just intime to upgrade my dual 2.5 G5... late 2007 early 2008 - finally perfect timing!

[crees!]

That sounds about right.. announce the powermacs in august and ship 1+ months later :D

[Josh396]

I wonder if they'll used dual processors in the high end Powermac or xserves.

[Cooknn]

Just in time for Universal CS3 - well a little early, actually :cool:

[~Shard~]

I wonder if they'll used dual processors in the high end Powermac or xserves.

You mean dual quad-cores? That would be sweet... Although they may just focus on Cloverton instead of Kentsfield when considering a situation like that. :cool:

[~Shard~]

That sounds about right.. announce the powermacs in august and ship 1+ months later :D

Yep - hence why WWDC has been delayed this year - it all makes sense. :)

[adamfilip]

well im saving up for my dual 4ghz - Quad core PowerMac

[cgratti]

well im saving up for my dual 4ghz - Quad core PowerMac
Me too, when I turn that puppy on I want my house lights to dim!

[adamfilip]

Me too, when I turn that puppy on I want my house lights to dim!

me too.. who cares about power or noise when you can render a C4D scene in 2 seconds flat

[Thataboy]

Maybe the quad-core will be able to run CS2 at G4 speeds :)

[boncellis]

Forgive me for not keeping track of all the new Intel intel, but isn't Conroe 64 bit? Does this suggest anything for the prospect of 64 bit applications or even a 64 bit OS?

[XIII]

Sadly I point out this is *the* most unreliable source ever. Digitimes.

[twoodcc]

i just hope the current quad goes on sale soon

[maxvamp]

Sadly I point out this is *the* most unreliable source ever. Digitimes.


It has to be true... MacOSrumors just confirmed the rumor!!!

Max. :eek: :eek: :D :D

[longofest]

Sadly I point out this is *the* most unreliable source ever. Digitimes.

YUP. However, it is merely a re-hash of old info, so it is probably accurate (but not because Digitimes said it, but rather because other people said it first).

[Kingsly]

Me too, when I turn that puppy on I want my house lights to dim!
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4ghz FSB
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[iGary]

Yes! This will further accent the awesome power of the, dare I say it, "MacPro Octo":eek: :D
2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
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Purchase with the all new Integrated sensing Apple Cinema display (30" or 42") and save $999

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Geez, don't you now anything - it will most definitely have Intel integrated graphics. :eek: :p

[andrew050703]

2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
$4999

Purchase with the all new Integrated sensing Apple Cinema display (30" or 42") and save $999



right, i want one. just need to hijack the thread a bit - got to work out my strategy for convincing my wife that we 'need' one in Q2 2007. At the moment I have my signature computers, which are fine, but:

1. I don't want the PC any longer than necessary - it got me through uni, but i'm starting a PhD in October so will have more money. My wife'll also start a nursing job, so money will be less of an issue.

2. I only just managed to get the mbp - my brother died and left an inheritance for me & my other brother.

3. my wife wasn't sold on the mbp, but now we have it, she's on it all the time. don't thinks that'll be the case for a £3500-4000 system though.

Any experience, hints or tips would be very much appreciated

[BlueRevolution]

I think it should be called Macintosh Octavius, Mac Oc for short.

it wouldn't ship with multiple of any graphics card... BTO maybe. and if it comes with 8 GB RAM standard (I predict 4 GB) it would be expandible to more like 64 GB. what would we do without 64 bit procs, eh?

edit: it is gonna be 64 bit isn't it?

[~Shard~]

edit: it is gonna be 64 bit isn't it?

Since Conroe is going to be 64-bit, I should hope that its successor is as well. :p :cool:

[Spock]

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[l008com]

Its not confirmed until ThinkSecret says it is!

It has to be true... MacOSrumors just confirmed the rumor!!!

Max. :eek: :eek: :D :D

[Mass Hysteria]

I hope it's true – I'd love a Mac V8

[scotto07]

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What about it's cooling...


a turbo jet (with the sound and everything):) :)

[scotto07]

I hope it's true – I'd love a Mac V8


More like a Mac Pro C8

[thejadedmonkey]

OMG FASTER CPUZ!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :mad:

That's amazing for all the pros who need em for rendering, but for EVERYONE else, why in the world would you want it? I have a G4 that plays my iTunes music just as fast as a quad-core "G6" powermac could. It connects to my DSL line just as fast as a quad-core dual CPU powermac could, and it uses a LOT less electricity.

I can't wait for the dual core GPU's!

[Kingsly]

I forgot:
Yes! This will further accent the awesome power of the, dare I say it, "MacPro Octo":eek: :D
2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
SmartCool system immerses the processing core, GPU's, and power supply in Liquid Helium: keeping the computer running at a brisk -425°F
$4999

Purchase with the all new Integrated sensing Apple Cinema display (30" or 42") and save $999

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[millarj]

Well, I can definitely tell the difference between my revA G5 and my previous Quicksilver. For example, I'm able to type nearly twice as fast on the G5. :)

Bring on the quad TowerMac!



OMG FASTER CPUZ!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :mad:

That's amazing for all the pros who need em for rendering, but for EVERYONE else, why in the world would you want it? I have a G4 that plays my iTunes music just as fast as a quad-core "G6" powermac could. It connects to my DSL line just as fast as a quad-core dual CPU powermac could, and it uses a LOT less electricity.

I can't wait for the dual core GPU's!

[Bosunsfate]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4261827163265447245&q=5ghz&pl=true

Oh yea....I can make this at home.:D

[p0intblank]

A quad-core CPU... talk about power! :eek:

[Chundles]

A quad-core CPU... talk about power! :eek:

I'm archiving this and going to quote you in 5 years. I love looking into the future.

[bigandy]

I'm archiving this and going to quote you in 5 years. I love looking into the future.


yeah, five years down the line we'll have these things in our phones, we'll be using 32-core processors, and everyone will have a flying car built on to their back.

and a third arm with a pint glass instead of a hand, for ease of drinking at the local.

:rolleyes:

[BWhaler]

Sure, nothing to see here.

But I must say, the concept of a dual CPU, quad Intel chip makes me drool. 8 CPU's cranking away...wow...

[~Shard~]

A quad-core CPU... talk about power! :eek:

Yeah, I remember when the P-90s came out and I had to rewrite all the timing loops in my QuickBASIC programs which I had coded on a 386 to compensate for the amazing power in those new machines... :p :cool:

[FoxyKaye]

Seems consistent with Intel's roadmap that's been linked to on other threads. Whether or not they make it into the PowerMacs that soon remains to be seen.

The most exciting part of Intel's roadmap, though, is that they're predicting 8-core chips by 2010-2011 in the 10-12GHz speeds, IIRC. That's a lot of horsepower.

If anything, it's nice to dream about.

[maxvamp]

Most here realize that it will be most difficult to get any more productivity and performance out of an 8-way processor system versus a 4-way, and at times, even a 2-way system...right?

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

Max.

[BlueRevolution]

yeah, five years down the line we'll have these things in our phones, we'll be using 32-core processors, and everyone will have a flying car built on to their back.

and a third arm with a pint glass instead of a hand, for ease of drinking at the local.

:rolleyes:

looking forward to that last one. especially if it comes with free seconds.

[budpam]

Conroe will be 32 bit. Merom will be 64 bit.




Since Conroe is going to be 64-bit, I should hope that its successor is as well. :p :cool:

[~Shard~]

Conroe will be 32 bit. Merom will be 64 bit.

You are completely incorrect. Conroe is based off Merom, and is the 64-bit desktop version of Merom. Read the article which started this whole thread. It states that Conroe is 64-bit. I can provide other sources as well. :cool:

[Shadow]

Most here realize that it will be most difficult to get any more productivity and performance out of an 8-way processor system versus a 4-way, and at times, even a 2-way system...right?

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

Max.
Excellent point. Although dual-core systems do actually give some speed improvements over single core. My Intel Pentium 4 3.06 GHz Hyper-Threading (Northwood) is noticably slower than my friends AMD X2 (not sure which model).

[The Red Wolf]

It's just fun to be "That Chick" ~SHARD~.

;P~

~The Red Wolf~

[~Shard~]

It's just fun to be "That Chick" ~SHARD~.

;P~

I appreciate it Red Wolf, thanks for thinking of me. :p ;) :D

[DStaal]

Most here realize that it will be most difficult to get any more productivity and performance out of an 8-way processor system versus a 4-way, and at times, even a 2-way system...right?

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

It's not about getting more performance out of any one application, it's about being able to run more high-CPU applications at once.

And, of course, having the best computer in town. :D

(That said, I occasionally work with Photoshop files that take 3+ minutes to open, so raw processing power would be nice...)

[generik]

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

Max.

The mistake you made is hardware cannot be duplicated infinitely at zero extra cost :rolleyes:

Money on hardware is never wasted. Each dollar you spend on apps however is of questionable value.

[maxvamp]

The mistake you made is hardware cannot be duplicated infinitely at zero extra cost :rolleyes:

Money on hardware is never wasted. Each dollar you spend on apps however is of questionable value.

Hardware / Software you spend money on but don't use turns into wasted money...

Max.

[eclipse525]

Even if they do debut Quad or New Duo Core in the Pro-Line, it's rather pointless being that most of the pro app's aren't available yet. Best bet is Q1 2007. Which might buy some of the developers time to catch up. Especially, Adobe.

~e

[FoxyKaye]

Most here realize that it will be most difficult to get any more productivity and performance out of an 8-way processor system versus a 4-way, and at times, even a 2-way system...right?

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

Max.
It's true that there may come a point at which the everyday user won't notice the difference as the Intel processors develop. If the fact that folks are still using the original iMacs pretty much fine, one could even say that we've reached one of these points for folks who check email, surf the Web, and use Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Quicken. However, the underlying assumption (and what will hopefully be true) is that professional applications will be compiled to take full advantage of multiple processor cores. So, there could be a huge difference in horsepower for folks doing audio, video and graphics work.

[maxvamp]

It's true that there may come a point at which the everyday user won't notice the difference as the Intel processors develop. If the fact that folks are still using the original iMacs pretty much fine, one could even say that we've reached one of these points for folks who check email, surf the Web, and use Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Quicken. However, the underlying assumption (and what will hopefully be true) is that professional applications will be compiled to take full advantage of multiple processor cores. So, there could be a huge difference in horsepower for folks doing audio, video and graphics work.

Even still, There are reports from the field where people, using the Pro apps, are having a problem using the full power of the 4-way systems.

Even I have run into this problem to some extent with my Quad G5, but for me a 4-way system is still worth it, since I can flood a 2-way system with ease.


Max.

[tristan]

This isn't really news - Intel announced this at IDF about a month ago. They said that quad cores are as dense as they plan to go in the near future because it'll take software systems a while to catch up. Most applications and OSs aren't designed for 4-way or 8-way parallelization, and its also hard to tell what other bottlenecks will show up in a system that has a CPU that powerful. There's going to be a huge learning curve for the industry here. Kudos to Intel though for making it happen, and to Mr Jobs for making sure that we're a part of it.

[ACW]

Forgive me for not keeping track of all the new Intel intel, but isn't Conroe 64 bit? Does this suggest anything for the prospect of 64 bit applications or even a 64 bit OS?

I thought that Tiger was already 64 Bit. Apple advertised the Dual processor G5's as the worlds first 64 Bit computer.

[guzhogi]

Am I the only one confused by all the different Intel chips out there (not just the ones Apple uses)? There's the Pentium D, M, Core Solo & Duo, Cloverton, Xeon and a bunch of others I think. I really wish Intel would really consolidate its CPU line. Maybe one like Core Solo for consumer and laptop computers, one like Core Duo or the quad-core one for workstations and Xeon for servers. I know people like options but most people (or at least I) don't really know what the differences are and which option is right for them. Plus, I hope Intel makes its lineup all 64-bit and possibly multi-core so that they can crank down the clock speed so they would decrease the heat and electrical noise produced. I was just thinking about how Altivec, SSE and graphics cards are something like 256-bit or something. What would the CPU be like if all of it ran at 256-bit (or whatever the width is of Altivec/SSE) so that all the bits can go to all parts of the processor at the same time instead of having to be buffered and then pushed out. Also, from what I've heard, the data path between the CPU and everything else is simplex, meaning that the information can only go in or out, not both at the same time. What would it be like if it were duplex? That would scream, but before all of you say it, I know. Both the duplex & the 256-bit thing would need a lot of more wiring on the motherboard making it gigantic, but the computer would be a hell of a lot faster.

[MacQuest]

...
3. my wife wasn't sold on the mbp, but now we have it, she's on it all the time. don't thinks that'll be the case for a £3500-4000 system though.

Any experience, hints or tips would be very much appreciated

Get a divorce.

:p ;)

Oh, and Quad-Core Intels (Kentsfield) in Q1 2007?... HECK YEAH!!!

[~Shard~]

Oh, and Quad-Core Intels (Kentsfield) in Q1 2007?... HECK YEAH!!!

Don't forget about Cloverton... ;) :cool:

[trogdor!]

Yes! This will further accent the awesome power of the, dare I say it, "MacPro Octo":eek: :D
2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
$4999

Purchase with the all new Integrated sensing Apple Cinema display (30" or 42") and save $999

*Warning* MacPro Octo requires 240VAC 14kW. Please contact your local electricity provider for more information about installing a dedicated power line. If you wish, you can purchase a Tabletop Nuclear Fusion device (http://www.physorg.com/news10806.html) for an additional $499


Out of all of that, the PCI "insane" is what made me laugh. haha

[shemp9999]

Yes! This will further accent the awesome power of the, dare I say it, "MacPro Octo"
2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
$4999

i think you might need more ram to fill all those cores.:D

[Hattig]

Kentsfield is two dual-core chips on a MCM (Multi Chip Module).

It'd be like IBM trying to claim their POWER5 was 8-core, when they put 4 dual-core dies (+cache, interconnects) on the same package.

This doesn't mean that the solution is technically worse - indeed it has significant cost and yield advantages. Only that it is terminologically poor.

AMD will have true quad-core chips out in the same timeframe.

In terms of AMD, the cost of a 2 quad-core processors + 2 socket motherboard/system is very likely to be higher than the cost of a 4 socket motherboard/system + 4 dual-core processors in the beginning. Computing density is the main reason you'd pay extra. Of course in 65nm AMD's quad-core is going to be around the size of their 90nm dual-core, so it won't be *that* rare. OTOH dual-core (1MB cache/core) on 65nm for AMD will be around 110mm^2, which is mass market size.

[Multimedia]

This is very old news. Was reported during the Intel Developer's conference early last month.

Apple will want to put two Kentsfield processors in the top of the Mac Pro line - of this I am 100% certain. I'll limp along with my Quad PPC until then. :D :p :) ;)

[Multimedia]

You mean dual quad-cores? That would be sweet... Although they may just focus on Cloverton instead of Kentsfield when considering a situation like that. :cool:OK I give up. What is Cloverton? This is the first time I have seen that processor's name. :confused:

It is the true quad core successor to Kentsfield?

[Multimedia]

Yes! This will further accent the awesome power of the, dare I say it, "MacPro Octo":eek: :D
2x Intel Core Quad running at 4ghz each core
500GB (upgradable to 1TB) HDD connected via internal Fibre Channel
4x ATI X2800 GPU's (each capible of processing 8 trillion triangles per second) with 1GB VRAM each
PCIi (PCI insane) up to 8gbps data transfer rates
4ghz FSB
1GB L2 cache per core
8GB 1ghz DDR3 SDRAM (PC2-9000) expandable to 16GB
$4999

Purchase with the all new Integrated sensing Apple Cinema display (30" or 42") and save $999

*Warning* MacPro Octo requires 240VAC 14kW. Please contact your local electricity provider for more information about installing a dedicated power line. If you wish, you can purchase a Tabletop Nuclear Fusion device (http://www.physorg.com/news10806.html) for an additional $499ROTFLMAO. For the record, the PPC Quad is radically quieter than any of the dual core models. And its 1000 Watt power supply is easily supported and continually powered from its battery with only a 1500 VA 850 watt Belkin UPS. :D

[Multimedia]

I think it should be called Macintosh Octavius, Mac Oc for short.

it wouldn't ship with multiple of any graphics card... BTO maybe. and if it comes with 8 GB RAM standard (I predict 4 GB) it would be expandible to more like 64 GB. what would we do without 64 bit procs, eh?

edit: it is gonna be 64 bit isn't it?Make mine Pink. :D So I can THINK. :D :D :D :eek:

[Multimedia]

Most here realize that it will be most difficult to get any more productivity and performance out of an 8-way processor system versus a 4-way, and at times, even a 2-way system...right?

Unless you are running large web servers, Databases, and specific ( usually scientific ) applications designed to take advantage of that many procs, you will be just giving Steve a nice Christmas bonus, and tossing good money away that could be used for apps.

Max.WRONG. BULLETIN - Earth to MaxVamp. The current "State-of-the-art" Quad PPC Mac is CRAP for any kind of Transcoding video work. Converting native HD video recordings takes HOURS of time to achieve a reduced and usable mp4 file. You are completely out of touch with how much power is NEEDED RIGHT NOW that we still have to wait many more YEARS to get. :mad: :mad: :mad:

This is a fundamental consumer electronics application - nothing sophisticated at all. Primitive need in fact. Something EVERYONE NEEDS. For you to sit there and say none of us need 32 processors running 10 GHz each shows just how little time you spend doing stuff that needs power simply because you don't want to take the enormous amount of time it currently takes so you pretend it isn't needed. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[wwworry]

These kinds of rumors are the reason I still have my G4 500 sawtooth. Wait for the dual proc. G4. Wait for the G5. Wait for the quad G5. Wait for Conroe. Now Kentsfield. It's diabolical.

Someone tell me the Kentsfield will be a lot more expensive than the Conroe.

[~Shard~]

OK I give up. What is Cloverton? This is the first time I have seen that processor's name. :confused:

It is the true quad core successor to Kentsfield?

Yep, pretty much. Cloverton is a true quad-core processor, and isn’t expected to be on the market until late 2006—if not 2007. :cool:

[Multimedia]

OK I give up. What is Cloverton? This is the first time I have seen that processor's name. It is the true quad core successor to Kentsfield?
Yep, pretty much. Cloverton is a true quad-core processor, and isn’t expected to be on the market until late 2006—if not 2007. :cool:I think you meant late 2007—if not 2008. Right? That would still be within the Leopard era. Do you have any more info on what Cloverton's architechture might include ~Shard? Has Intel named a Mobile Quad Core Processor as well? :confused:

[~Shard~]

I think you meant late 2007—if not 2008. Right? That would still be within the Leopard era. Do you have any more info on what Cloverton's architechture might include ~Shard? Has Intel named a Mobile Quad Core Processor as well? :confused:

Nope, I think Cloverton, which consists of 2 Woodcrest dies, is actually out before Woodcrest, and is scheduled for later this year. It's similar to Conroe in that respect - Conroe is based off Merom, however Merom is coming out after Conroe. ;)

Here's some more info for you... :cool:

[macgeek2005]

Will they put 2 Quad-Core proccesors in the Mac Pro's by Spring 07?

[Multimedia]

Will they put 2 Quad-Core proccesors in the Mac Pro's by Spring 07?I feel certain that an 8 core Mac will be shipping a year from now as the top of the line flagship Mac. As the owner of a Quad, I can tell you that for certain consumer level basic video transcoding work it is way too slow and 8 cores will probably still be too slow. I am not kidding.

I hope to live to see the day when these "simple" tasks that currently take about 10 hours will take no more than 5 minutes. :)

[Multimedia]

Nope, I think Cloverton, which consists of 2 Woodcrest dies, is actually out before Woodcrest, and is scheduled for later this year. It's similar to Conroe in that respect - Conroe is based off Merom, however Merom is coming out after Conroe. ;)

Here's some more info for you... :cool:Thank you very much ~Shard~. So is what I have been calling Kentsfield Cloverton? I don't see Kentsfield mentioned anywhere in those pages. And yet I saw a photograph of a Kentsfield four core prototype posted during the IDC. :confused:

[D*I*S_Frontman]

I feel certain that an 8 core Mac will be shipping a year from now as the top of the line flagship Mac. As the owner of a Quad, I can tell you that for certain consumer level basic video transcoding work it is way too slow and 8 cores will probably still be too slow. I am not kidding.

I hope to live to see the day when these "simple" tasks that currently take about 10 hours will take no more than 5 minutes. :)


I am out of the business now, but when I used to do SD video editing on my DP1.25ghz G4 tower, doing major renders or encoding big mp2 streams would take several hours. I would usually set them up to work overnight and check back in the morning.

I never really successfully employed editing using an OfflineRT workflow, but that would seem to make even more sense w/HD content--get your basic editing done using a scratch codec, then set up a massive rerender at full HD res before final color correction and encoding.

It will be very interesting to find out if Apple will optimize the new UB Final Cut Studio for massive parallel-CPU usage. That would make a "V8" system more appealing. Imagine three or four connected to a Gigabit switch--there's a render farm for ya!

[jelwell]

http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture/coremicro/index.htm

Search for Kentsfield. You'll see this:
"Intel will also deliver a quad-core (4 full execution cores) processor to the high-end desktop based upon this new microarchitecture, codenamed Kentsfield. Kentsfield is targeted for introduction in the first quarter of 2007."

Kentsfield exists, so the only rumor is whether or not Apple will be the first out the gate.
Joseph Elwell.

[Mammoth]

Hmm...

Powermac Ultra
4x Quad-Core 64 bit CPU's with Hyper Threading- 16 Physical Cores, 32 Virtual (each core at 2.5Ghz, total of 40Ghz)
4-64GB of RAM
4x 500GB SATA 20k rpm hard drives
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Burners
4x ATI Radeon video cards, 2GB of video RAM each, 1Ghz processor each. 1Ghz physics processor each, 2 DVI-D ports each, 1 HDMI each, 1x S-Video each
12x USB
16x Firewire 400
4x Firewire 800
Quad Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Infinite Channel
Dual Fibre Channel
Optical in/out
Bluetooth
Integraded 802.11a/b/g/n/i, doubles as a base station
6x PCI Express
4x TV tuners, 2 HD, 2 analog
Frontrow
PnP Compatibility with Xserve/Xserve RAID
...and an iPod dock.

..What do you think?

[Multimedia]

Hmm...

Powermac Ultra
4x Quad-Core 64 bit CPU's with Hyper Threading- 16 Physical Cores, 32 Virtual (each core at 2.5Ghz, total of 40Ghz)
4-64GB of RAM
4x 500GB SATA 20k rpm hard drives
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Burners
4x ATI Radeon video cards, 2GB of video RAM each, 1Ghz processor each. 1Ghz physics processor each, 2 DVI-D ports each, 1 HDMI each, 1x S-Video each
12x USB
16x Firewire 400
4x Firewire 800
Quad Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Infinite Channel
Dual Fibre Channel
Optical in/out
Bluetooth
Integraded 802.11a/b/g/n/i, doubles as a base station
6x PCI Express
4x TV tuners, 2 HD, 2 analog
Frontrow
PnP Compatibility with Xserve/Xserve RAID
...and an iPod dock.

..What do you think?I think you better take a chill pill and come back down to earth Mammoth. This is an impossible prospect. Everybody knows Analog TV is going to be discontinued in two and three quarter years. :D

[menziep]

Hmm...

Powermac Ultra
4x Quad-Core 64 bit CPU's with Hyper Threading- 16 Physical Cores, 32 Virtual (each core at 2.5Ghz, total of 40Ghz)
4-64GB of RAM
4x 500GB SATA 20k rpm hard drives
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Burners
4x ATI Radeon video cards, 2GB of video RAM each, 1Ghz processor each. 1Ghz physics processor each, 2 DVI-D ports each, 1 HDMI each, 1x S-Video each
12x USB
16x Firewire 400
4x Firewire 800
Quad Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Infinite Channel
Dual Fibre Channel
Optical in/out
Bluetooth
Integraded 802.11a/b/g/n/i, doubles as a base station
6x PCI Express
4x TV tuners, 2 HD, 2 analog
Frontrow
PnP Compatibility with Xserve/Xserve RAID
...and an iPod dock.

..What do you think?

Jew Drops :eek:

[Mammoth]

I don't just think different, I think BIG.

[sunfast]

Hmm...

Powermac Ultra
4x Quad-Core 64 bit CPU's with Hyper Threading- 16 Physical Cores, 32 Virtual (each core at 2.5Ghz, total of 40Ghz)
4-64GB of RAM
4x 500GB SATA 20k rpm hard drives
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Burners
4x ATI Radeon video cards, 2GB of video RAM each, 1Ghz processor each. 1Ghz physics processor each, 2 DVI-D ports each, 1 HDMI each, 1x S-Video each
12x USB
16x Firewire 400
4x Firewire 800
Quad Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Infinite Channel
Dual Fibre Channel
Optical in/out
Bluetooth
Integraded 802.11a/b/g/n/i, doubles as a base station
6x PCI Express
4x TV tuners, 2 HD, 2 analog
Frontrow
PnP Compatibility with Xserve/Xserve RAID
...and an iPod dock.

..What do you think?

That is mental!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Fancy coming up with a price?

[generik]

That is mental!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Fancy coming up with a price?

It is "impossible"

4 sockets, 4 CPU slots, 6 expansion slots + 4 graphics cards = 10 expansion slots, 16+12+??? ports = 30+ USB/FW/Whatever ports...

What's this? "Mac Pro-in-a-truck"?

How big will be a casing that can fit all of that in?!

[macpastor]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Digitimes claims (http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060327A5019.html) that Intel will be introducing their first Quad-core CPUs in the first quarter of 2007.

The Quad core chip is codenamed "Kentsfield". They also report that Intel's dual-core Conroe chip which is speculated to make its way into Apple PowerMacs (Mac Pros?) this fall will be introduced in September of this year.

Any speculation as to what real world gains could be seen over a Quad PPC?

[Lord Kythe]

I keep seeing poor performance from the Core Duo chips, even compared to single G5 iMacs, when, for example, compressing video files, converting video and audio formats and animation rendering...

I know current Intel Macs are 32 bits, but jeez, 2-3x faster my @$$ (perhaps for booting and surfing the web!!)

I can't wait to see the real Intel chips in action (when Apple won't be ashamed of putting some in PowerMacs or Mac Pros, whatever they'll call 'em)

[timmillwood]

I am hoping to get a new powermac in Q1 2007, and i hope the quad cores are out by then, i want a dual quad core, but i think that will only be on the top model and i will only be able to afford the bottom.

will the quad core have HT?

[Multimedia]

I am hoping to get a new powermac in Q1 2007, and i hope the quad cores are out by then, i want a dual quad core, but i think that will only be on the top model and i will only be able to afford the bottom.

Will the quad core have HT?From the excellent intelligence I've read over at Mac OS Rumors (http://macosrumors.com), Leopard will be all about distributed processing across 4 and 8 cores inside each Mac Pro. They believe that 10.5 will be able to distribute workloads more eficiently than Tiger ever will. I sure hope so. I am frequently using all 4 of my cores simultaneously for relatively mundane video transcoding - Encoding a DVD Image with Toast 7 while I rip MP4 files with Handbrake from the last Image created while recording HD with EyeTV 2.1, while editing out commercials from someting just recorded and checking mail and surfing. It all adds up to a pretty full load even for the Quad.

I'll have to see some amazing reviews before I will move to the 8 core Leopard powered Kentsfield model (Dual Quad-Core) next year. I'm not sure I want to give up the PPC Quad even when I move to the 8 core as it will have some lasting value as what can still run classic (not that I ever want to) and it's the world's first 4 core mass market personal computer that will still kick ass for years to come. In fact I imagine Leopard will breath new life into the Quad Classic next year. :p That's likely in fact. :D I really love my Quad. But it's still way too slow. Not kidding. :(

[Photorun]

Jew Drops :eek:

Jew Drops?Hasidic Poops?

And why did people vote this negative? Let me guess, it was the "wwwahhhh, we want a Powerbook G5, wwwaaahahhh" contingent of Macrumors.

[Sirin]

Or You could get You one of these http://www.physorg.com/news10806.html

Teh iNuke Portable! :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

[macgeek2005]

Hmm...

Powermac Ultra
4x Quad-Core 64 bit CPU's with Hyper Threading- 16 Physical Cores, 32 Virtual (each core at 2.5Ghz, total of 40Ghz)
4-64GB of RAM
4x 500GB SATA 20k rpm hard drives
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Burners
4x ATI Radeon video cards, 2GB of video RAM each, 1Ghz processor each. 1Ghz physics processor each, 2 DVI-D ports each, 1 HDMI each, 1x S-Video each
12x USB
16x Firewire 400
4x Firewire 800
Quad Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Infinite Channel
Dual Fibre Channel
Optical in/out
Bluetooth
Integraded 802.11a/b/g/n/i, doubles as a base station
6x PCI Express
4x TV tuners, 2 HD, 2 analog
Frontrow
PnP Compatibility with Xserve/Xserve RAID
...and an iPod dock.

..What do you think?

Retail Price: $249,999,99.

[sam10685]

i say it it should be two seperate processors with two cores each. each core runs at 3.2 gigahertz. for a personal computer that runs at a grand total of... 12.8 gigahertz.

[newrigel]

I keep seeing poor performance from the Core Duo chips, even compared to single G5 iMacs, when, for example, compressing video files, converting video and audio formats and animation rendering...

I know current Intel Macs are 32 bits, but jeez, 2-3x faster my @$$ (perhaps for booting and surfing the web!!)

I can't wait to see the real Intel chips in action (when Apple won't be ashamed of putting some in PowerMacs or Mac Pros, whatever they'll call 'em)
My thoughts exactly! I've used em and I don't see where all the hype is...
Us Mac Loyalist will have to see dramatic changes to become happy with this new Intel emplementation. The octal thing sounds more realistic considering Leopard.

[Josias]

Dual Quad Kentsfiels (8 cores total, each core running at 1.5 GHz, a total of 12 GHz)
1 GHz FSB and BSB pr. core
32 GB PC3-10000 1 GHz DDR3 RAM
4 SATA bays, 3 TB of storage at 10k rpm.
Dual Ati X3000 w. 1 GB VRAM each. 2 Duallink DVI, and one Quadlink DVI each.
HD DVD/Blu-Ray burner
5xUSB (4 back, 1 front), 3xFW400 (2 back, 1 front), 2xFW800 (2 back)
Dual Gigabit ethernet
4 16x lanes of PCI-Express
Dual 30" ACD's at 3840x2400 each (maximum res. that DDL can pull)
FrontRow (:p )
Integrated 8.1 channel soundcard, 32-bit, analog and opticla digital in/out
AP+BT

Price: $ 25k

A maxed out top of the line PM in May 2007:D

[shyataroo]

Its obvious that apple is going back to the PPC970 when they release the new 8 Core Dual-cell processor (8 cores with 7 SPE's each core) it will run at 4.5Ghz and will render Final Fantasy Advent Children in Real time.


The Stats for the computer are like So

Dual Cell2 8 Processors Running at 4.5Ghz
4X1TB XATA 20,000RPM HDD
24X Ultra Drive HVD (holographic versitile disc)-R/BD-R/HD-DVD-R/DVD-R/DVD-RAM/DVD+R/CD-R
24X Ultra Drive (slot 2)
8GB VRAM on 2 Nvidia 8950 GX2 XOC (extreme overclocked) and 2 ATIX2950 XTX Platnium Pro XOC (each running at 2.5Ghz)
32X PCI-Express 3.0
64GB DDR3-XDRAM
22.2 Surround Sound
203" OLED monitor 7,680 × 4,320 with a 100,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio and .008 Picosecond response time

$250,000,000 US. but it comes with free airlift to anywhere in the world and a Rolls Royce and a custom built house.

[Salasm]

Interesting, seems Digitimes has been on the money so far regarding the dual-core chips, and may be on track to correctly predict Quad-cores by Q1 of 2007.

btw, LOL on how many members got banned on this page, four! generik, macpastor, photorun, macgeek2005.

[blitzkrieg79]

Its obvious that apple is going back to the PPC970 when they release the new 8 Core Dual-cell processor (8 cores with 7 SPE's each core) it will run at 4.1Ghz and will render Final Fantasy Advent Children in Real time.

Cell processor, given a fact that compilers are not even fully optimized to take advantage of it, is showing that it's more of a general purpose processor than some people were saying. Intel could put 10 cores on a chip and they'll match neither it's performance or price. The APUs are dedicated vector processors, x86 are not. The x86 cores include the SSE vector units but these are no match for even a single APU.

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/sabl/2006/Jul/CellProcessorPotential.pdf

Cell processor is not only more power efficient than Itanium or Opteron but in most applications its 6-10 times faster and in specialized fully optimized applications it can be up to 40 times faster. Now that is impressive. Intel Core Duo or Quads are just a processor evolution, Cell is a revolution.

[DavidCar]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35192

[exabytes18]

Yeah, current speculations make the first Kentsfield available in November. Now that chip will be blazing fast!

4 * 2.66GHz

[dusanv]

Kentsfield will be the desktop part (using plain DDR2). It can't be used in dual configuration. The server part (Xeon, using FB-DDR2) is called Clovertown and it can be used in dual configurations giving us a possibility of a 8 core Mac (not that I'd know what to do with it). They'll be announced on November 13th although that doesn't mean they'll be available immediately.

[newrigel]

Kentsfield will be the desktop part (using plain DDR2). It can't be used in dual configuration. The server part (Xeon, using FB-DDR2) is called Clovertown and it can be used in dual configurations giving us a possibility of a 8 core Mac (not that I'd know what to do with it). They'll be announced on November 13th although that doesn't mean they'll be available immediately.
YOUR FIRED! YOU ARE LEAKING OUT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!!!!
Oh well... It was nice to just act like I was an Apple top dawg hehe!:D :D

[dusanv]

YOUR FIRED! YOU ARE LEAKING OUT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!!!!
Oh well... It was nice to just act like I was an Apple top dawg hehe!:D :D
LOL, sorry bud, I don't work for them. Wish I did, but I don't...