View Full Version : uptimes!
vniow
Feb 2, 2003, 04:28 PM
Let's see who keeps their Mac on the longest without a restart.
If you're using OSX (or Linux for that matter) open the terminal, type in 'uptime' and post it.http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/smiley.gif
Here's mine:
pivo6
Feb 2, 2003, 05:13 PM
I'll show you mine since you showed me yours.:D
sparkleytone
Feb 2, 2003, 06:53 PM
:) had to reboot b/c of a stupid piece of software called XPression.
sparkleytone
Feb 2, 2003, 06:54 PM
whoops.
Liamcow
Feb 2, 2003, 10:42 PM
Guess I'm at the bottom of the barrel
maradong
May 23, 2003, 12:24 PM
here is mine @ the moment
while i know it is not really good, lets say as an excuse i use it everyday for about 10 hourse, and somethimes my freshly compiled appz hang the system .D 3-4 times per year
Santiago
May 23, 2003, 12:44 PM
From my server, which I never reboot. (My PowerBook only has an uptime of about 14 days right now.)
maradong
May 23, 2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Santiago
From my server, which I never reboot. (My PowerBook only has an uptime of about 14 days right now.)
well, for a laptop that is not that bad :D
patrick0brien
May 23, 2003, 03:22 PM
-All
$%@# you would start a thread on this subject now!
I just shut down my 12PB to install RAM 1 day and 6 hours ago!
@$#%
That RAM install was the first "Shut Down" I've done since I acquired the machine in February. The only time I "Restart" is for Software Updates.
ExoticFish
May 23, 2003, 03:24 PM
my TiBook: 5 days (darn that OS 9 for VGS!!!)
my Linux box next to me at work: 44 days
my WinXP machine at work: 4 hours (surprise surprise, it crashed)
maradong
May 23, 2003, 03:37 PM
by the way, are all those computers running gah/fah ? wee need every mhz :
ExoticFish
May 23, 2003, 03:40 PM
gah/fah?
szark
May 23, 2003, 03:43 PM
Genome-At-Home/Folding-At-Home
http://folding.stanford.edu
Also see our Folding FAQ (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21908).
maradong
May 24, 2003, 02:36 AM
come on people, just make a screenshotof your uptime. Even if it s not as high, that might be interesting...
mmmdreg
May 24, 2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by szark
Genome-At-Home/Folding-At-Home
http://folding.stanford.edu
Also see our Folding FAQ (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21908).
hmm..how about rc5 (http://distributed.net) for xlr8yourmac. We're coming ~8th overall right now. Anyhow, here's my crappy uptime after a recent restart. rc5 (http://distributed.net) is running in the background on verbose.
maradong
May 24, 2003, 04:36 AM
by the way ;-D all i did was recycle the thread, just running a new one is not that interesting, than continuing an rather old one :D
hugemullens
May 24, 2003, 06:42 AM
Here is the powermac....
such a good machine :)
hugemullens
May 24, 2003, 06:50 AM
Here is the powerbook, it;d be longer but safari went postal a few days ago and crashed everything.
smada
May 24, 2003, 08:57 AM
If you guys don't want to go the terminal route, try this app:
Uptime In Menu Bar (http://www.delamusse.com/UptimeInMenuBar/)
I think you probably get an idea of what it does from the title! It uses the same Uptime command that you enter into the terminal, except it puts the info into your menu bar.
Here's mine:
http://68.53.33.228/~adamscarroll/uptime.jpg
I had to shut down last night so that I could take the airport card out of the ol' iMac and transplant it into my sister's iBook.
shadowfax
May 24, 2003, 01:31 PM
got UTinMB myself, useful little program :D
Up: 5Days, 19 hr.
record: ~28 days
(on a Ti powerbook G4)
Freg3000
May 24, 2003, 01:57 PM
Just over 9 days. I've gone about 16 at the most I think.
icetraxxg5
May 24, 2003, 04:46 PM
I can get about 7 days max, after that the system slows down and sometimes the finder brings the whole system down.
trebblekicked
May 24, 2003, 05:45 PM
...just pathetic.
cb911
May 24, 2003, 05:56 PM
i can't post a pic, since i just sold my TiBook 667. (waiting for the new 15"!!:D )
but i think my highest uptime while i had it was around 20 days. things really started to slow down around 10 days of uptime, and it becomes painful trying to use Photoshop.
also, how does everyone get the Terminal window to be transparent? i thought that TinkerTool could do that, but the new TinkerTool couldn't do it under 10.2 as far as i could remember. so how is everyone doing it? is there a new version of TinkerTool or something?
Doctor Q
May 24, 2003, 06:08 PM
My Mac uptime: 12 days 18 hrs 33 min
The company I work for had a customer who had a Solaris-based Unix system. We told them to reboot after we made a change to a kernel parameter. They asked how to reboot. It turns out they had never done so before. We sold them the computer over a year before, and it had been up continuously ever since!
trebblekicked
May 24, 2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by cb911
also, how does everyone get the Terminal window to be transparent? i thought that TinkerTool could do that, but the new TinkerTool couldn't do it under 10.2 as far as i could remember. so how is everyone doing it? is there a new version of TinkerTool or something?
it's in window settings in the terminal CS menu, select color from the drop down menu. there's a transparency bar at the bottom
ibookin'
May 24, 2003, 07:20 PM
Check this out:
janey
May 24, 2003, 08:13 PM
only 6 days i know :(
MacFan25
May 24, 2003, 09:20 PM
my imac has been up for 4 days. it would have been like 12 days by now, but the power went out for like 2 seconds the other day, so i had to reboot.
shadowfax
May 24, 2003, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by MacFan25
my imac has been up for 4 days. it would have been like 12 days by now, but the power went out for like 2 seconds the other day, so i had to reboot. i hate that dort of thing. i was at 27 days when my laptop's power supply keeled over, and i had to wait a week for apple to send a replacement. i broke down and tried to just buy a spare for the interim, but none were available in austin, anywhere. god i was pissed about that. but in the end, my powerbook ran totally out of batteries, not even enough to keep it asleep.
maradong
May 25, 2003, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
My Mac uptime: 12 days 18 hrs 33 min
The company I work for had a customer who had a Solaris-based Unix system. We told them to reboot after we made a change to a kernel parameter. They asked how to reboot. It turns out they had never done so before. We sold them the computer over a year before, and it had been up continuously ever since!
the record in my fathers company, for the servers is about 550 days :D debian rocks :D
maradong
May 25, 2003, 09:41 AM
hey, come on people, i know it is not good what i m doing right here ( i consider this as spamming ) ut please, post your uptimes... Please. come on.
plasticparadox
May 25, 2003, 11:10 AM
:D
maradong
May 25, 2003, 11:18 AM
:D lol. that s fun. ( i mean the 9 seconds.. they really matter )
Rower_CPU
May 25, 2003, 12:16 PM
My Gigabook.
tazo
May 25, 2003, 12:20 PM
My biggest would be leaving it on for 8 days when i went on vacation, besides no record because I turn it off at night. save power.
Schiffi
May 25, 2003, 12:30 PM
I am the Bestest!
AmbitiousLemon
May 25, 2003, 12:48 PM
the reason some of you get slow downs after long uptimes is ram caching and page outs resulting from no free ram. just free up some ram and you are cool.
mactastic
May 25, 2003, 01:14 PM
Here's my TiBook, I think this is since the 10.2.6 update.
maradong
May 25, 2003, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
the reason some of you get slow downs after long uptimes is ram caching and page outs resulting from no free ram. just free up some ram and you are cool.
how to clear the ram ? it keeps beeing used even after the programs are closed ( as every flavor of unix is doing... )
AmbitiousLemon
May 25, 2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by maradong
how to clear the ram ? it keeps beeing used even after the programs are closed ( as every flavor of unix is doing... )
not entirely true. a poorly coded app won't release its ram. but good apps will. launch photoshop and quit it and you can a couple hundred megs. launch iphoto and quit and ive gained as much as 400megs. if you run crappy network intensive apps (like itunes when sharing) your ram will disappear and new apps will pageout. but if you launch a new app like photoshop or iphoto and quit they are smart enough to use unused memory from other apps and then release it when they are done. there are also shareware apps to scrub ram. i usually just launch and quit iphoto when running low. an instant 200 to 400meg gain everytime. this means i only restart when installing something that requires a restart or a power outage or electrical storm (which we have had a lot of lately... grrrr).
also if you use a lot of lil crappy shareware type apps you may be leaking memory. i make sure all my third party apps are leak free (or if they leak i learn what causes the leak and avoid it)
shadowfax
May 25, 2003, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by maradong
how to clear the ram ? it keeps beeing used even after the programs are closed ( as every flavor of unix is doing... ) open terminal, input "sudo sh /etc/monthly" and hit enter, and give your password. you'll see your RAM usage go down significantly if you are low on free RAM.
AmbitiousLemon
May 25, 2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
open terminal, input "sudo sh /etc/monthly" and hit enter, and give your password. you'll see your RAM usage go down significantly if you are low on free RAM.
there are also a lot of lil apps that do this for you if you are terminal-phobic
shadowfax
May 25, 2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
there are also a lot of lil apps that do this for you if you are terminal-phobic yes, but i think it's better to bite the bullet and grow brain cells :D
AmbitiousLemon
May 25, 2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
yes, but i think it's better to bite the bullet and grow brain cells :D
well some people hear terminal and run screaming. and usually these gui apps have lots of other utilities bundled in so its faster to just click a few buttons tahn type a bunch of commands in the terminal.
shadowfax
May 25, 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
well some people hear terminal and run screaming. and usually these gui apps have lots of other utilities bundled in so its faster to just click a few buttons tahn type a bunch of commands in the terminal. that's when you write a script, hah! (which i did).
i know what you are saying, i am just being sarcastic. but still, there is value in confronting your fears. it won't bite you if you do as you're told.
maradong
May 26, 2003, 03:50 AM
cool
but why do you free the ram ? it is automaticly released as soon as another programm ( than the one cached in the ram ) is opened.
Well at least i never had to free some ram on my *nix machines. even if they run about 90 days and up in general. They are always just as fast as derectly after reboot. They even get faster, the longer they are on.... Strange but true. I suppose it to be something with the caching of some system pref, and other stuff, but i truly don t know.
Now come on people keep on posting some prionscreens. I think that could really become interestant.D
mgargan1
May 26, 2003, 10:21 AM
how do you find out how much ram you are using...? that is one thing that i could never find out how to do...
maradong
May 26, 2003, 02:53 PM
either use top in the terminal, or
" cat /proc/meminfo "
without the "'s
AmbitiousLemon
May 26, 2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by maradong
cool
but why do you free the ram ? it is automaticly released as soon as another programm ( than the one cached in the ram ) is opened.
Well at least i never had to free some ram on my *nix machines. even if they run about 90 days and up in general. They are always just as fast as derectly after reboot. They even get faster, the longer they are on.... Strange but true. I suppose it to be something with the caching of some system pref, and other stuff, but i truly don t know.
Now come on people keep on posting some prionscreens. I think that could really become interestant.D
its got to be some kind of bug with osx or the apps we use. but when there is no free ram and a new app launches it does not always use unsuded but not free ram like iphoto and photoshop do. most apps just start paging out. i do not know if this is an osx error or an error of the apps in question but this is what happens and it means that osx can get very slow if run for a long time.
and to get things rolling again here is a shot of my uptime cpu and ram use one day later than the last.
maradong
May 27, 2003, 02:58 AM
hm. mine is always fully used :D
but well..
which program allows you to put it the uptime, and ram usage in the background ?
and :
keep on posting some screenshots people
shadowfax
May 27, 2003, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by maradong
hm. mine is always fully used :D
but well..
which program allows you to put it the uptime, and ram usage in the background ?
and :
keep on posting some screenshots people aquamon (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14386) will do that for you, thought it may annoy the hell out of you while it's at it.
maradong
May 27, 2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
aquamon (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14386) will do that for you, thought it may annoy the hell out of you while it's at it.
why should it ?
shadowfax
May 27, 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by maradong
why should it ? the last i checked, it forced you to keep its icon on the dock when running, a useless icon sitting there... it bothered me. maybe they changed it now. i wouldn't know, i have all the info i need in the menubar, which is better, IMO, as windows don't ever cover it.
AmbitiousLemon
May 27, 2003, 02:47 PM
i use Echidna (http://www.thelittleappfactory.com/products/echidna.php) to run it without an icon in the dock. i also use this for f@h and clutter.
sure it gets covered up by windows but its not something i want staring in my face all the time. thats why i use the transparency to make it belnd into the desktop picture a bit.
shadowfax
May 27, 2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
i use Echidna (http://www.thelittleappfactory.com/products/echidna.php) to run it without an icon in the dock. i also use this for f@h and clutter.
sure it gets covered up by windows but its not something i want staring in my face all the time. thats why i use the transparency to make it belnd into the desktop picture a bit. it's so much simpler, i think, to just edit the .plist inside the program. if only i could recall the entry. it's like NSWindowSetting set to 0 or something like that. too long since i did that...
AmbitiousLemon
May 27, 2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
it's so much simpler, i think, to just edit the .plist inside the program. if only i could recall the entry. it's like NSWindowSetting set to 0 or something like that. too long since i did that...
well echidna does more than just edit the plist. it also provides you with an easy fast way to launch, quit, and redo undo the headless app thing. a lot simpler than cracking open the plist every time or going into processviewer to quit the app.
nef919
May 27, 2003, 03:27 PM
Installed ram earlier today. Was 11 days.
maradong
May 28, 2003, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by nef919
Installed ram earlier today. Was 11 days.
:D thanks for the picture . :D
i use Echidna to run it without an icon in the dock. i also use this for f@h and clutter.
sure it gets covered up by windows but its not something i want staring in my face all the time. thats why i use the transparency to make it belnd into the desktop picture a bit.
what is clutter ?
vniow
May 28, 2003, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by maradong
what is clutter ? Clutter. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24170)
AmbitiousLemon
May 28, 2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Clutter. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24170)
thanks MsV. Thats clutter. Great lil app. you can keep albums on your desktop and tell itunes to play them simply by double clicking them. Also it auto searches amazon.com if you do not have the art already in itunes. it has a auto copy to itunes feature and a manual search feature.
I have about 6000 songs in itunes and i added art to all of them in just a couple hours using clutter. now i just need a bigger monitor so i can keep 6000 albums on my desktop.
shadowfax
May 28, 2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
I have about 6000 songs in itunes and i added art to all of them in just a couple hours using clutter. now i just need a bigger monitor so i can keep 6000 albums on my desktop. AL, can you post a desktop pic of what it looks like with the albums on the Dtop? is it just a bunch of folders or does it actually like make the icons into album covers or something?
AmbitiousLemon
May 28, 2003, 04:28 PM
well this is the last desktop i submitted to macsnaps.com but the link MsV gave you has a bunch of screenshots from various people.
http://www.macsnaps.com/snaps/screengrab/1053067349.jpg
shadowfax
May 28, 2003, 04:32 PM
very tastefully arranged desktop, thanks. sorry about not checking the link. bit lazy (hey, i just finished my last day of high school) today :D
MacCoaster
May 28, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by plasticparadox
:D
I've got your Windows box beat. See attached.
A friend even has his Windows .NET Server RC1 up for more than 216 days. Amazing Windows can do this.
patrick0brien
May 28, 2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by MacCoaster
I've got your Windows box beat. See attached.
A friend even has his Windows .NET Server RC1 up for more than 216 days. Amazing Windows can do this.
-MacCoaster
Am I missing something? Your screencap says 29 days.
Rower_CPU
May 28, 2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-MacCoaster
Am I missing something? Your screencap says 29 days.
Looks like it says 49 days to me.
MacCoaster
May 29, 2003, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-MacCoaster
Am I missing something? Your screencap says 29 days.
Mine's approaching 50 days per the screenshot.
I was just stating about a friend of mine's Windows box running for over 216 days. It's not even final code, even though the final code has been out for a month.
andyduncan
May 29, 2003, 12:07 AM
Another great way to clear some RAM is to let some app ***** itself (VLC does this) and attempt to write 2gigs to memory. After about 3 minutes or so of paging and a kill -9, you've got 90% of your ram free... course everything else's paged...
oh, and my uptime is 29 days. but thats only because 10.2.6... damn updates...
mcl
May 29, 2003, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by maradong
how to clear the ram ? it keeps beeing used even after the programs are closed ( as every flavor of unix is doing... )
I read through the thread, and there seems to be some confusion on this issue.
The ram isn't "used", in the sense that's it's actively malloc()'d by a running program (i.e., reserved and protected from use by other processes).
Just ignore the "free" and "used" values reported by top; they're misleading.
The "pagein" and "pageout" values don't refer to transfer to/from disk-based swapspace; they merely refer to the acquisition and release of memory pages, which may be from resident cached pages in physical, solid-state RAM, or it may be from disk-based swap.
It's normal for most modern instantiations of Unix (OS X is no exception) to run with very little "free" memory. This is because the pagers these days operate more effficiently by caching rather than completely freeing memory pages. Thus, when an app looks for "free" memory to report, it finds very little truly "free" memory. What is left may not be "free", but it's unused and ready to be allocated to a process if it requests it.
A more appropriate set of values to watch are those reported by vm_stat: watch the reactivated and pagein values. If the reactivated value stays constant and the pagein value starts rising steadily, you're hitting disk-based swap rather than cached memory pages, and you're short of RAM.
If you just watch the pagein or pageout values, you'll be fooled into thinking you're short on RAM when you're not.
It's only when a system is hitting the disk for memory allocation consistently -- paging memory out to and in from disk-based storage -- that you need to worry about freeing up memory by terminating processes, or increasing your RAM.
Otherwise, you're watching the normal functioning of a healthy pager in a modern Unix system.
Tha_Sylent1
May 30, 2003, 03:47 AM
What other commands are useful in the Terminal? (I'm a switcher) :confused:
maradong
May 30, 2003, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by Tha_Sylent1
What other commands are useful in the Terminal? (I'm a switcher) :confused:
hm,
1 top
2 ps -cx ( to check your processes )
3 ps -aucx ( all the processes )
3 *anything* | grep *somethin*
opens any command, executes it, searches for the string formulated after grep.
4 vi or vim for text editing,
5 ping
6 tranceroute
7 ssh -l user www.host.com
8 cd ( :D )
9 ls -l ( :D )
10 and so on :) tell me what you want to do , and ill give you the commands. that s easier.
maradong
May 30, 2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by mcl
I read through the thread, and there seems to be some confusion on this issue.
The ram isn't "used", in the sense that's it's actively malloc()'d by a running program (i.e., reserved and protected from use by other processes).
Just ignore the "free" and "used" values reported by top; they're misleading.
The "pagein" and "pageout" values don't refer to transfer to/from disk-based swapspace; they merely refer to the acquisition and release of memory pages, which may be from resident cached pages in physical, solid-state RAM, or it may be from disk-based swap.
It's normal for most modern instantiations of Unix (OS X is no exception) to run with very little "free" memory. This is because the pagers these days operate more effficiently by caching rather than completely freeing memory pages. Thus, when an app looks for "free" memory to report, it finds very little truly "free" memory. What is left may not be "free", but it's unused and ready to be allocated to a process if it requests it.
A more appropriate set of values to watch are those reported by vm_stat: watch the reactivated and pagein values. If the reactivated value stays constant and the pagein value starts rising steadily, you're hitting disk-based swap rather than cached memory pages, and you're short of RAM.
If you just watch the pagein or pageout values, you'll be fooled into thinking you're short on RAM when you're not.
It's only when a system is hitting the disk for memory allocation consistently -- paging memory out to and in from disk-based storage -- that you need to worry about freeing up memory by terminating processes, or increasing your RAM.
Otherwise, you're watching the normal functioning of a healthy pager in a modern Unix system.
true
cat /proc/mem gives much better information. espeacelly for the number of cached mb s and really used mb s . But in this discussion that doesn t really matter, as most of the users will never really understand the difference ( at least at my school only lets say 5 % did understand it while less than 1 % needed to know it. )
Wardofsky
May 30, 2003, 05:08 AM
I find it interesting how people get competitive over how long their computers have been on.
I give my computer a fresh start as often as possible so it can do everything for me.
Except a few things you'll see:
Tha_Sylent1
May 30, 2003, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by maradong
hm,
10 and so on :) tell me what you want to do , and ill give you the commands. that s easier.
Well nothing too specific I was just wondering what was possible or what you guys use the terminal for? Why would one need it?
Wardofsky
May 30, 2003, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Tha_Sylent1
Well nothing too specific I was just wondering what was possible or what you guys use the terminal for? Why would one need it?
You can get into Darwin with it.
You can pretend to be a die hard programmer by using it to launch apps...
I avoid as often as possible.
maradong
May 30, 2003, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Wardofsky
You can get into Darwin with it.
You can pretend to be a die hard programmer by using it to launch apps...
I avoid as often as possible.
personnaly i use it only for the intranet connections to big linux servers.
Infact i don t use it with os x , but around my worksapce are some machines, all running shall only :-) so i better know what to do. right?
madleech
May 30, 2003, 07:29 AM
Well, here's my uptime. It's from my approx 2 month old iBook which has only ever been turned off for more than 10 mins once, and that was only to install more ram (extra 512mb! mmm). Sleep mode rules!
I love this machine... I take it everywhere!
Someone mentioned the Finder slowing down after a few days. What I do is just logout every few days, and that frees all the paged data and fixes a few other time-related issues I have.
Chomolungma
May 30, 2003, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Santiago
From my server, which I never reboot. (My PowerBook only has an uptime of about 14 days right now.)
I've restarted my PowerBook twice in the last 8 months (software updates). What is that silver button on the upper righthand corner do?:D
celaurie
May 30, 2003, 09:26 AM
Hrm.. Why doth it say 'two' users?
Wardofsky
May 30, 2003, 09:38 AM
Can't remember leaving the iMac on for this long.
mcl
May 30, 2003, 11:23 AM
My 1GHz TiBook's currently:
[dhcp-108:~] mcl% uptime
9:18AM up 17 days, 9:40, 3 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.24, 0.24
...of course, my main home mail/shell server (FreeBSD) is:
(5) skritch@tethys [Fri 30May2003 9:19am] /home/skritch >uptime
9:19AM up 89 days, 18:33, 8 users, load averages: 0.42, 0.39, 0.28
...my home file server (backups, MP3s, etc.) (FreeBSD) is:
$ uptime
9:22AM up 161 days, 17:20, 2 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00
...a random machine I'm responsible for at work (desktop, Solaris) is:
$ uptime
9:21am up 457 day(s), 20 hr(s), 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.02
shadowfax
May 30, 2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by celaurie
Hrm.. Why doth it say 'two' users? your terminal session registers as another instance of yourself logging in. try opening 3 terminal windows and doing uptime in one. it will say "4 users."
kylos
May 30, 2003, 11:41 AM
My power jack on my ibook doesn't always function properly and my battery dies at 30%, sometimes without at least putting my machine to sleep so I can at least plug it in. Anyway, here's my reduced uptime.
EDIT: It's near the bottom of the page.
celaurie
May 30, 2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
your terminal session registers as another instance of yourself logging in. try opening 3 terminal windows and doing uptime in one. it will say "4 users."
Ah, kewlies! Thanks for answer! :)
celaurie
May 30, 2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Kyle?
My power jack on my ibook doesn't always function properly and my battery dies at 30%, sometimes without at least putting my machine to sleep so I can at least plug it in. Anyway, here's my reduced uptime.
Now there's a thing! Why does the screen capture function make pdfs as opposed to picts these days? And can this be changed?
Oh, and I do know you can use Grab to make tiffs...
kylos
May 30, 2003, 07:02 PM
Good question! As you can see, I had to export it to jpg with preview so it would display properly.
Doctor Q
May 31, 2003, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by celaurie
Now there's a thing! Why does the screen capture function make pdfs as opposed to picts these days? And can this be changed?Because PDF, now the standard file format, and Preview, now the standard viewer, are more general than the PICT files and SimpleText used in the good ol' days. In Preview, you can use the Export... menu choice to save your screenshot in one of a dozen formats, so you can have a PICT (or a Photoshop file or a jpeg) with a few extra clicks.
I don't think you can change the format used for screen captures. I did a little experimenting to try to find out: If you type screencapture and press RETURN in the Terminal window, you can see the options of the command-line method for doing screen captures. It lets you name the output file anything you like, but it seems to be a PDF file no matter what you pick. For example, the command screencapture peekaboo.jpg produces a file named peekaboo.jpg but it's actual still a PDF file, as the file command reveals:
doctorq% screencapture peekaboo.jpg
doctorq% file peekaboo.jpg
peekaboo.jpg: PDF document, version 1.3
kylos
May 31, 2003, 09:49 AM
Sorry to prolong the offtopicness, but Doctor Q., pdf isn't really that standard when your desktop won't accept pdf's for the background. (I found this out while trying to play the 'frozen desktop prank on my mom, had to use the export the function to get it to work)
Doctor Q
May 31, 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Kyle?
Sorry to prolong the offtopicness, but Doctor Q., pdf isn't really that standard when your desktop won't accept pdf's for the background. (I found this out while trying to play the 'frozen desktop prank on my mom, had to use the export the function to get it to work) First of all, that's a great prank. I used it once on April Fool's Day. But I have no trouble using a PDF as a desktop background, as long as the PDF is an image. The Desktop pane in System Preferences lets you select the Collection, and if that Collection is a folder where your screen capture file resides (for example, the desktop folder), you should be able to pick that file as your desktop.
kylos
May 31, 2003, 11:05 AM
Yeah, I know how to do all that. The pdf's just wouldn't show up in the collection list.
Doctor Q
May 31, 2003, 11:50 AM
I realized after I posted that it might behave differently for me than for you because I have QuickTime Pro installed. That makes extra conversions available system-wide, invisibly. Maybe "Desktop" offers files that it can extract images from, and QuickTime Pro lets images be extracted from PDFs on my system. Can somebody else confirm this?
In any case, the solution is obvious: whenever you make a screen capture, we'll put it on my desktop instead of yours! ;)
kylos
May 31, 2003, 11:57 AM
Ahhh. Makes sense.
It doesn't bother me, though. I don't have to worry about your average prankster, only those who would be able to figure out the problem.:)
celaurie
May 31, 2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Because PDF, now the standard file format, and Preview, now the standard viewer, are more general than the PICT files and SimpleText used in the good ol' days. In Preview, you can use the Export... menu choice to save your screenshot in one of a dozen formats, so you can have a PICT (or a Photoshop file or a jpeg) with a few extra clicks.
I don't think you can change the format used for screen captures. I did a little experimenting to try to find out: If you type screencapture and press RETURN in the Terminal window, you can see the options of the command-line method for doing screen captures. It lets you name the output file anything you like, but it seems to be a PDF file no matter what you pick. For example, the command screencapture peekaboo.jpg produces a file named peekaboo.jpg but it's actual still a PDF file, as the file command reveals:
doctorq% screencapture peekaboo.jpg
doctorq% file peekaboo.jpg
peekaboo.jpg: PDF document, version 1.3
Thamnks for clearing that up for me. :)
anneleonard
May 31, 2003, 12:33 PM
http://www.anne-leonard.co.uk/uptime.jpg
8 days, not too bad. I can't remember why I had to restart now. :rolleyes:
maradong
Jun 1, 2003, 05:49 AM
great. anybody got some more :D
all my servers have gotten restarted, due to a powerfailure... :( will take some time to get those noice uptimes back :(
visor
Jun 1, 2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by maradong
great. anybody got some more :D
all my servers have gotten restarted, due to a powerfailure... :( will take some time to get those noice uptimes back :(
welwelwell, check out
sysctl
Doctor Q
Jun 1, 2003, 03:15 PM
I had an idea for another lame joke (one of my specialities). I would look up the day that OS X was first released, then doctor a screenshot to show my uptime as being the elapsed time since then. But (1) I'm lazy and (2) I don't want to encourage cheating. So please pretend I did so and laugh anyway. Thank you. :D
shadowfax
Jun 1, 2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
I had an idea for another lame joke (one of my specialities). I would look up the day that OS X was first released, then doctor a screenshot to show my uptime as being the elapsed time since then. But (1) I'm lazy and (2) I don't want to encourage cheating. So please pretend I did so and laugh anyway. Thank you. :D lol, i have seen people put up uptimes that are greater than the time that OS X has been in existence. ;)
maradong
Jun 1, 2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
lol, i have seen people put up uptimes that are greater than the time that OS X has been in existence. ;)
now those have to be quite , well, dumb :D
MPTV-Ti
Jun 2, 2003, 01:20 AM
my powerbook is on 26 days
janey
Jun 2, 2003, 07:46 PM
my uptime (changed from last post due to a kernel panic)
i love to play around in terminal with other people's computers and do something like "sudo chmod ugo= ~" :p
the thing i like to have available in terminal can be done by typing in "alias settitle echo -n "^[]2;!*^G"" at the prompt so everytime you type in "settitle (insert word)", it will change the name of the terminal window to (insert word).
you can also add that to your ~/.tcshrc file using vi or your text editor of choice to make the alias available every time you open a new Terminal window. It's very useful when you have like ten Terminal windows open :)
janey
Jun 2, 2003, 07:50 PM
whoops forgot teh attachment :p
applemacdude
Jun 2, 2003, 07:52 PM
on my sucky pc...a minute and it crashed
vniow
Jun 2, 2003, 08:08 PM
Had to restart a couple days ago for some reason, forgot what it actually was..
trebblekicked
Jun 2, 2003, 10:22 PM
the quicksilver just passed 10 days. the tibooks been buggy this week, so it's not even worth following.
maradong
Jun 3, 2003, 12:42 AM
on this imac 400 mhz the uptime looks like
[imac-biblio-03:~] admin% uptime
7:42AM up 10 days, 19:53, 3 users, load averages: 0.38, 0.33, 0.27
[imac-biblio-03:~] admin%
unfortunatly i dont know ho to take a screenshot in mac os X :( shame on me :D
Rower_CPU
Jun 3, 2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by maradong
on this imac 400 mhz the uptime looks like
[imac-biblio-03:~] admin% uptime
7:42AM up 10 days, 19:53, 3 users, load averages: 0.38, 0.33, 0.27
[imac-biblio-03:~] admin%
unfortunatly i dont know ho to take a screenshot in mac os X :( shame on me :D
Shame indeed. :p
Cmd + Shift + 3 takes a shot of your whole screen.
Cmd + Shift +4 gives you crosshairs, allowing you to click-drag and select an area.
Cmd + Shift + 4 then Space lets you select a window/screen widget.
Esc cancels out of all of them.
Doctor Q
Jun 3, 2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by maradong
i dont know ho to take a screenshot in mac os XFor more details, open Mac Help (or press Command-?), type "shortcuts for taking pictures of the screen" on the search line, press RETURN, and double-click the first help item listed.
shadowfax
Jun 3, 2003, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
For more details, open Mac Help (or press Command-?), type "shortcuts for taking pictures of the screen" on the search line, press RETURN, and double-click the first help item listed. ah, bitch-slapped by the classic RTFM! again. nice hit, Dr. Q, if maybe on the south side of the belt ;)
maradong
Jun 3, 2003, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
ah, bitch-slapped by the classic RTFM! again. nice hit, Dr. Q, if maybe on the south side of the belt ;)
explanation: i don t own a mac , but in school., if one is free i m always working on them.
i never had to take a screeny :D
btw, i allways use man pages and what i want to say by that is,. the RTFM is not really a good point , as i m doing so , mostly ...
maradong
Jun 22, 2003, 04:49 AM
well, I had to restart the server, because a ram-module has becomen unstable.
Here is my new uptime. It s not really good, but it is not that bad either ;-)
Nermal
Jun 22, 2003, 06:43 AM
Only 2 days here on my iBook, I rebooted to install the AirPort update. I don't even use AirPort! I just installed the thing so that Software Update doesn't keep asking me to install it (yeah I know you can disable it), and so that if I ever get an AirPort it will work straight away :) Besides, I'm on a reasonably fast connection so why not?
AppleMatt
Jun 22, 2003, 07:22 AM
:mad: I turned off my PowerBook this morning to install an Airport Extreme card that arrived in the post. Do I get a prize for having the most pathetic uptime here?
I suppose the good news is I'm sitting in the living room typing this :)
maradong
Jun 22, 2003, 07:45 AM
Do I get a prize for having the most pathetic uptime here?
Perhaps
Only 2 days here on my iBook, I rebooted to install the AirPort update. I don't even use AirPort! I just installed the thing so that Software Update doesn't keep asking me to install it (yeah I know you can disable it), and so that if I ever get an AirPort it will work straight away Besides, I'm on a reasonably fast connection so why not?
I always do every update. Anyway which one, even if i can t use the software.
It has perhaps a few bugs less, and some minor securtiy fixes.
BTW, apple seems to take the way m$ is leading. for more and more updates you ll have to restart. :( i hate that. just look at linux. as long as nothing is changed in the kernel, you don t have to restart. If they release serious bug or security fixes, the just recall the module, or make a hookup. really apple, there is no need to restart for every little update.
kjwebb
Jun 22, 2003, 07:58 AM
My mac (old Power Macintosh 7600/132) is hardly ever on because of the fact that I can do tons more on my PC
My PC is usally on all day (usally in windows xp but sometimes in Mandrake Linux 9.1) and I turn it off at night because of the noise it makes compared to my Pentium 100 Laptop (which I want to replace with a powerbook g4/g5 or an iBook) or my powermac.
acj
Jun 23, 2003, 01:45 AM
Why waste power? Do you really get that much satisfaction out of having long uptimes? It makes no sense to me.
If you are Folding maybe it's a different story.
shadowfax
Jun 23, 2003, 01:56 AM
how is sleeping a waste of power? it's hardly at all more that turning the thing off :p
acj
Jun 23, 2003, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
how is sleeping a waste of power? it's hardly at all more that turning the thing off :p
Good point. I'm stupid.:confused:
AppleMatt
Jun 23, 2003, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by acj
Why waste power? Do you really get that much satisfaction out of having long uptimes? It makes no sense to me.
If you are Folding maybe it's a different story.
Turning a laptop on uses an incredible amount of your battery.
If its sleeping, you don't have to wait a good few minutes for the desktop to appear.
Plus long uptimes make me feel special.
AppleMatt
Nermal
Jun 23, 2003, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
how is sleeping a waste of power? it's hardly at all more that turning the thing off :p
Yeah, and if you take into account the large amount of power used to boot it back up, it almost uses less to put it to sleep :)
I put my iBook to sleep most nights, unless I'm doing a download or something.
maradong
Jun 23, 2003, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Nermal
Yeah, and if you take into account the large amount of power used to boot it back up, it almost uses less to put it to sleep :)
I put my iBook to sleep most nights, unless I'm doing a download or something.
so do i.
if i wont get a powerfailure, this time i m gonna smash all of you ;-)
marcsiry
Jun 23, 2003, 06:20 AM
Here are both my desktop and my co-located Xserve (the second one isn't really very fair, I guess :-)
maradong
Jun 23, 2003, 07:27 AM
wow !
nice uptime for the xserve. really nice...
yzedf
Jun 23, 2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by maradong
Perhaps
I always do every update. Anyway which one, even if i can t use the software.
It has perhaps a few bugs less, and some minor securtiy fixes.
BTW, apple seems to take the way m$ is leading. for more and more updates you ll have to restart. :( i hate that. just look at linux. as long as nothing is changed in the kernel, you don t have to restart. If they release serious bug or security fixes, the just recall the module, or make a hookup. really apple, there is no need to restart for every little update.
Yeah...
$ service pcmcia stop
do whatever needs to be done...
$ service pcmcia start
what is so hard about that apple??? :rolleyes:
my thinkpad usually get 7-14 days uptime... and then i screw with something, my guru won't be around... so i reboot.
nothing worse than hosing your internet config, knowing where to go online to find your answers, but you can't because that hosed config is for the only online capable machine in the house :(
maradong
Jun 24, 2003, 11:26 PM
that s what i mean. just look at linux how well it is managing all that.
and my new uptime:
maradong
Jul 27, 2003, 10:51 AM
come on people, don t let this topic die like that ;D
post your uptimes...
here is my new one.
pEZ
Jul 27, 2003, 11:52 AM
My uptimes are never that great - like right now, my uptime is 19 hours and 28 minutes - nothing to brag about. I screw with my computer as a hobby, try tons of new stuff, install/uninstall software, whatever, so I'm always restarting my iMac. It hasn't been shut down for a good long while (well, there was a power outage not too long ago, if you call that shut down), but I end up restarting my computer before it ever gets to even 7 days up.
AppleMatt
Jul 27, 2003, 12:55 PM
Mine's a whopping 3 days, 2hrs, 49 minutes. At least it's better than 14 minutes :)
Is it normal for it to say "2 users"?
AppleMatt
LordMord
Jul 27, 2003, 02:08 PM
I got 10 days 16:28 hours...but...
Only reason that its not many many months is software update...
My laptop is the same :):D
Gotta love OSX :D :D :D
AppleMatt
Jul 27, 2003, 02:10 PM
***jumps up and down***
Someone answer my question, is it normal for it to say "2 users", like in mine and maradong's uptimes?
Huff
impatient AppleMatt
Doctor Q
Jul 27, 2003, 02:48 PM
There is nothing wrong if you see "2 users", but I can't tell what constitutes a "user". For example, my uptime currently says "5 users" even though I'm the only one logged in. I did some experiments and found that it doesn't seem to be any of these:
* the number of active applications
* the number of open windows
* the number of active processes
* the number of distinct process owners
* the number of active threads
* the number of connected computers on your network
And the "man" page gives no clue!
AppleMatt
Jul 27, 2003, 02:50 PM
Just the prescription, DoctorQ :)
AppleMatt
(I'm sure you've heard that one far too many times, sorry!)
tazo
Jul 27, 2003, 02:51 PM
it couldnt be more than 15 hrs or so for me, since I turn my computer off at night.
Elan0204
Jul 27, 2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
***jumps up and down***
Someone answer my question, is it normal for it to say "2 users", like in mine and maradong's uptimes?
Huff
impatient AppleMatt
I'm not sure if it is "normal", but mine has always said "2 users" in my uptime. I always assumed it had something to do with the root user, but I really have no idea.
up 9 days, 20:25, 2 users, load averages: 0.24, 0.49, 0.51 on my powerbook.
janey
Jul 27, 2003, 03:19 PM
type in "who" in terminal and you'll find out why there are two (or more) users. my uptime is: up 1 day, 2:15, 2 users, load averages: 0.32 0.36 0.33
i guess panther really is preventing me from reaching those 15+ day uptimes again :(
dumb betas lol :p
Doctor Q
Jul 27, 2003, 03:49 PM
The "who" command shows you the console and a list of one or more pseudo terminals (those devices named ttypn, for some n), so we just have to figure out what determines the number of pseudo terminals in use. I would have thought it would be the number of Terminal windows you have open, but that doesn't match on my system. With two Terminal windows open, I sometimes have 3 ttyp's and sometimes 4.
Therefore, uptime's number of users will be one more than the number of pseudo terminals, but that is not one more than the number of Terminal windows open.
Hmmm...
MrMacMan
Jul 27, 2003, 09:58 PM
Meh, a low number currently.
Still a good thread.
AppleMatt
Jul 28, 2003, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by übergeek
type in "who" in terminal and you'll find out why there are two (or more) users. my uptime is: up 1 day, 2:15, 2 users, load averages: 0.32 0.36 0.33
i guess panther really is preventing me from reaching those 15+ day uptimes again :(
dumb betas lol :p
Thanks übergeek. Apparently both the users are me (console and ttyp1). edit: DoctorQ deepens the mystery....
Current uptime;
3days 19hrs 3minutes
I'm forcing myself not to restart until I get the new Panther build.
AppleMatt
vniow
Jul 28, 2003, 01:08 PM
Anyhoo...
tpjunkie
Jul 28, 2003, 01:24 PM
I had to bring my TiBook into work last week, and so I shut it down, but at one point during my spring semester I was up and running for 33 days! Currently I'm at 9 days (from when I brought the Tibook home and plugged it back in)
MacBoyX
Jul 28, 2003, 01:49 PM
iBook 900:
2:45PM up 14 days 15:28, 2 users, load averages: 0.55, 0.59, 0.49
iBook 700:
2:44PM up 11 days 17:09, 2 users, load averages: 0.22, 0.23, 0.23
iMac
2:45PM up 12 days 10:03, 2 users, load averages: 0.55, 0.26, 0.11
MacBoyX
MacFan25
Jul 28, 2003, 03:06 PM
13 days for me. I think the last restart was for a security update.
MrMacMan
Jul 28, 2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Anyhoo...
No this thead cannot die! ;)
shadowfax
Jul 29, 2003, 03:21 PM
i guess i shall come out of the dust to say that my uptime is 27 days, 16 hrs. it's about a day off of my personal record, and going strong. i am hoping to get up to 50 days at least; we'll see, i guess.
illumin8
Jul 29, 2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
not entirely true. a poorly coded app won't release its ram. but good apps will. launch photoshop and quit it and you can a couple hundred megs. launch iphoto and quit and ive gained as much as 400megs. if you run crappy network intensive apps (like itunes when sharing) your ram will disappear and new apps will pageout. but if you launch a new app like photoshop or iphoto and quit they are smart enough to use unused memory from other apps and then release it when they are done. there are also shareware apps to scrub ram. i usually just launch and quit iphoto when running low. an instant 200 to 400meg gain everytime. this means i only restart when installing something that requires a restart or a power outage or electrical storm (which we have had a lot of lately... grrrr).
also if you use a lot of lil crappy shareware type apps you may be leaking memory. i make sure all my third party apps are leak free (or if they leak i learn what causes the leak and avoid it)
This is not accurate information. All modern Unix kernels use any available memory as cache for the filesystem. Top will correctly report your system not having much memory free because:
A. Your programs are taking a big chunk.
B. The filesystem cache is taking the rest.
When you open a program with a large footprint like Photoshop, you are forcing the kernel to flush a lot of it's excess memory that's being used for cache and allocate it to Photoshop. If you then exit Photoshop, sure you'll have a lot of memory free for a little while, but you're not making your computer run any faster. You're just defeating the whole purpose of having a large filesystem cache: to speed up the computer.
Over time you'll notice that your memory fills up again. This is just because as you read data off of disk, your kernel is once again filling remaining memory with cached data from the hard drive.
I hope this makes sense. Modern Unix kernels are smart enough to manage their memory better than you can manually. Just let it do it's job... :D
shadowfax
Jul 30, 2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by illumin8
This is not accurate information. All modern Unix kernels use any available memory as cache for the filesystem. Top will correctly report your system not having much memory free because:
A. Your programs are taking a big chunk.
B. The filesystem cache is taking the rest.
When you open a program with a large footprint like Photoshop, you are forcing the kernel to flush a lot of it's excess memory that's being used for cache and allocate it to Photoshop. If you then exit Photoshop, sure you'll have a lot of memory free for a little while, but you're not making your computer run any faster. You're just defeating the whole purpose of having a large filesystem cache: to speed up the computer.
Over time you'll notice that your memory fills up again. This is just because as you read data off of disk, your kernel is once again filling remaining memory with cached data from the hard drive.
I hope this makes sense. Modern Unix kernels are smart enough to manage their memory better than you can manually. Just let it do it's job... :D say, thanks for that info. i was wondering why my GB of RAM would slowly fill up over a few days. i found that rather than running an app and exiting it, i would simply run "sh /etc/weekly" and daily and monthly in terminal and that tended to clear things out. but i guess one need not gauge by the free RAM...
illumin8
Jul 30, 2003, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
say, thanks for that info. i was wondering why my GB of RAM would slowly fill up over a few days. i found that rather than running an app and exiting it, i would simply run "sh /etc/weekly" and daily and monthly in terminal and that tended to clear things out. but i guess one need not gauge by the free RAM...
I believe the weekly and monthly scripts do some other useful things like clean out your /tmp. A lot of software places temporary files in /tmp which is actually a RAM disk. If the program doesn't shutdown properly or clean up after itself these files occupy RAM, so it is a good idea to run those scripts occasionally, especially if you seem to be thrashing on your disk a lot.
Someone else in this thread mentioned that Unix machines get faster and faster the longer they are running. The filesystem cache is the reason for this. Especially with a lot of RAM, any Mac running OS X should start to scream after caching the most commonly used data in memory.
illumin8
Jul 30, 2003, 02:19 PM
Here's my uptime by the way. This is from the Linux box on my desk, not sure how to screen capture on KDE:
luke@linux:~> uptime
2:17pm up 22 days 19:41, 4 users, load average: 0.35, 0.30, 0.21
luke@linux:~>
Here is one of the Sun servers I manage:
root@sunone # uptime
2:17pm up 147 day(s), 22:08, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.02
root@sunone #
The funny thing is, uptimes that are over 90 days are generally considered a bad thing by knowledgeable sysadmins now. It used to be like "bragging rights" to say "my box has been up for 400 days", but now it's like: "400 days and no security patches?" Anyone want to know a really easy box to hack into? :D
simX
Jul 30, 2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
The "who" command shows you the console and a list of one or more pseudo terminals (those devices named ttypn, for some n), so we just have to figure out what determines the number of pseudo terminals in use. I would have thought it would be the number of Terminal windows you have open, but that doesn't match on my system. With two Terminal windows open, I sometimes have 3 ttyp's and sometimes 4.
Therefore, uptime's number of users will be one more than the number of pseudo terminals, but that is not one more than the number of Terminal windows open.
Hmmm...
I believe that, currently, the number of users corresponds to the number of actual users logged in plus the maximum number of Terminal windows you had open simultaneously at any point during your uptime.
What I mean by that is that the Terminal seems to leave behind zombie "users" when you open up a Terminal window. So when you open up a terminal window it will default to "ttyp1". If you open up another it will default to "ttyp2". Then when you close both and open another, it will default to "ttyp1". But all these users never get "logged out", so if you've had 6 Terminal windows open at some point (i.e.: you got up all the way to "ttyp6"), then you'll have 6 zombie users, plus your actual user, so you'll have 7 users in your uptime statistic.
You can actually log out your zombie users by issuing the "exit" command in a Terminal window, and THEN closing it, instead of just closing it. If you do that every time, you'll never have zombie terminal users.
I hope that clears it up. :p
maradong
Jul 31, 2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by illumin8
Here's my uptime by the way. This is from the Linux box on my desk, not sure how to screen capture on KDE:
luke@linux:~> uptime
2:17pm up 22 days 19:41, 4 users, load average: 0.35, 0.30, 0.21
luke@linux:~>
Here is one of the Sun servers I manage:
root@sunone # uptime
2:17pm up 147 day(s), 22:08, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.02
root@sunone #
The funny thing is, uptimes that are over 90 days are generally considered a bad thing by knowledgeable sysadmins now. It used to be like "bragging rights" to say "my box has been up for 400 days", but now it's like: "400 days and no security patches?" Anyone want to know a really easy box to hack into? :D
;-) well have you ever tried linux my friend ;-) i suppose so, looking at your linux boxes. Well i hardly understand why you have to reboot. Security patches are working just fine without rebooting, ( beleive me i tried it... ) .
well, certainly you have to reboot to make your kernel update, but there is also another rule, never change a working system.
btw it is possible to update the kernel without restarting. just make a ramdisc, load all your important stuff in there, and halt the old system, also running on a ram disc.( of course you have to config that a bit. but it should work. )
btw kde is really not good as a window manager, personally i prefer windowmaker, fvwm2, and gnome if i want my desktop to be beautiful.
Never got how to make a screenshot in kde, apart, by starting gimp, and making a screen capture...
illumin8
Jul 31, 2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by maradong
;-) well have you ever tried linux my friend ;-) i suppose so, looking at your linux boxes. Well i hardly understand why you have to reboot. Security patches are working just fine without rebooting, ( beleive me i tried it... ) .
well, certainly you have to reboot to make your kernel update, but there is also another rule, never change a working system.
btw it is possible to update the kernel without restarting. just make a ramdisc, load all your important stuff in there, and halt the old system, also running on a ram disc.( of course you have to config that a bit. but it should work. )
btw kde is really not good as a window manager, personally i prefer windowmaker, fvwm2, and gnome if i want my desktop to be beautiful.
Never got how to make a screenshot in kde, apart, by starting gimp, and making a screen capture...
Actually, I was referring more to the Solaris boxes when I was talking about security patches. The proper way to patch a Solaris box is to go to single user mode, apply patch, then reboot. Of course, you don't have to do it that way, you just risk corruption if you don't. Most patches other than a kernel patch don't really require all of this, but it's a good idea just to be safe.
Also, even on Linux, it is not possible to update your kernel without rebooting. You can update the kernel itself on disk, but the kernel that is running in memory will still be the older kernel. There is no way that I know of to unload the kernel without rebooting.
illumin8
Jul 31, 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by maradong
btw kde is really not good as a window manager, personally i prefer windowmaker, fvwm2, and gnome if i want my desktop to be beautiful.
Never got how to make a screenshot in kde, apart, by starting gimp, and making a screen capture...
As always, this is a matter of personal preference. I personally like KDE better than Gnome. KDE version 3.2 seems to have a lot of the eye candy you get with OS X as well. To each their own.
maradong
Aug 6, 2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by illumin8
Actually, I was referring more to the Solaris boxes when I was talking about security patches. The proper way to patch a Solaris box is to go to single user mode, apply patch, then reboot. Of course, you don't have to do it that way, you just risk corruption if you don't. Most patches other than a kernel patch don't really require all of this, but it's a good idea just to be safe.
Also, even on Linux, it is not possible to update your kernel without rebooting. You can update the kernel itself on disk, but the kernel that is running in memory will still be the older kernel. There is no way that I know of to unload the kernel without rebooting.
well well , init big ramdisc, mirror the ram, kill the kernel or hug it up in the new ramdisc, load the new one, transact all of your ramdisc 2 to ramdisc 1. :) no idea if that works or not :D
illumin8
Aug 6, 2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by maradong
well well , init big ramdisc, mirror the ram, kill the kernel or hug it up in the new ramdisc, load the new one, transact all of your ramdisc 2 to ramdisc 1. :) no idea if that works or not :D
Dude! You can't "kill the kernel", it's not a process, and even if you could it would only bring your entire box down.
Mudbug
Aug 6, 2003, 11:22 PM
here I am... late to the party as usual.
This is my TiBook
razorme
Aug 7, 2003, 12:08 AM
My iBook 800; Funny, I just checked the uptime an hour ago since I can't remember the last time I rebooted.
AppleMatt
Aug 7, 2003, 05:34 AM
Fashionably late Mudbug, fashionably late.
Mines gone back down to about 8 minutes, I just installed the Airport 3.1.1 update.
Oh well, it's an excuse to start up Panther again :D
AppleMatt
rhpenguin
Aug 7, 2003, 08:54 AM
Had an uptime of about 10 days or so, but I instaled security updates yesterday. so, here is my uptime as of 10 minutes ago.
http://www.geocities.com/junior2k01/uptime.tiff
patrick0brien
Aug 7, 2003, 09:00 AM
36days 10:34
And no, I haven't updated Airport yet :D
maradong
Aug 7, 2003, 10:09 AM
still my debian box.
phrancpharmD
Aug 7, 2003, 03:00 PM
uh, OK, so I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but what does the "load average" tell me? And thanks for the UptimeInMenuBar link (http://www.delamusse.com/UptimeInMenuBar/) smada!
PS - 1 day 4:34
maradong
Aug 8, 2003, 03:10 AM
the load of the system, the nice load and the user load.
( the amount of cpu the different groups use )
phrancpharmD
Aug 8, 2003, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by maradong
the load of the system, the nice load and the user load.
( the amount of cpu the different groups use )
Thanks!
bobindashadows
Aug 8, 2003, 10:30 AM
My uptimes:
I dunno what my current box is. Probably about 14 days or so, i'll check when I get there.
I had a web server on a 350 Mhz iMac DV (maybe 400, unsure). But, after a while, it stopped being a web server because my domain name was bought out by a porn site.
(for those interested in mature black women, go to h**p://www.scotiasoft.net/ now does that sound like a porn site?!)
It was up for over 250 days... when I woke it up, the screen had a green tint covering the entire thing. Took two restarts to clear up. Then I installed Jaguar :lol:
idea_hamster
Aug 9, 2003, 11:27 AM
Nice time, Maradong!
Not to make this a competition, but...has anyone kept track of who's "winning"?
aaron128
Aug 9, 2003, 09:26 PM
My uptimes are lame, in general, as I'm usually tinkering with something or other. I know a guy who had an old Pentium machine running some wack OS ... I don't even know what it was... not Linux or Unix... anyway, he was using it it route email and had it up and running for about 4 years straight and then the processor burned out ;)
Today I was using my laptop and I checked the uptime. It was at 29 days + I never turn my laptop off and leave it in sleep mode when not using it. I mostly use my laptop on weekends for recording and viewing finishline video at bicycle races. during weekdays I seldom use the laptop except for some web surfing once in a while.
Mt desktop is up to 11 days + it is used several hours every day and it runs SETI 24/7
ianimate3d
Aug 10, 2003, 11:42 AM
This is a 12" iBook 800 combo, it's been up a little over 53 days so far and it's still running quite well! I just close the lid when it's not in use and let it sleep. My dual 867 mdd powermac has been up 23 days it's used several hours every day and is folding on both processors.
ianimate3d
Aug 10, 2003, 11:46 AM
Here is a grab of my Power Mac as mentioned above.
ianimate3d
Aug 10, 2003, 11:50 AM
ooops sorry here it is for sure
maradong
Aug 13, 2003, 04:46 AM
and a new one.
MrMacMan
Aug 27, 2003, 02:46 PM
uptime:
Nermal
Aug 27, 2003, 08:06 PM
OK, so this thread's been brought back to life again...
I'm at 1 day 22 hours, I installed an update that forced me to reboot.
mactastic
Aug 27, 2003, 09:48 PM
Here's mine, almost 2 weeks since the last software update and I ran DiskWarrior as long as I had to restart. It was at about a month before that though. Sure do love that stable OS.
mactastic
Aug 27, 2003, 09:51 PM
Doh... That didn't work right.:confused:
Thats better.
shadowfax
Aug 27, 2003, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by mactastic
Doh... That didn't work right.:confused:
Thats better. interesting font there. why not lucida grande 14 to match with the rest of the menubar?
mactastic
Aug 27, 2003, 11:39 PM
What, you don't like my Copperplate? :D
I was messing with the font, I guess I kind of like having it look different, since it doesn't really belong in the menubar.
Captnroger
Aug 28, 2003, 09:09 AM
I think I got all ya all beat...
Juventuz
Aug 28, 2003, 09:20 AM
Here's a question for all you people with these nice long uptimes. Do you put your computer to sleep when you're not using it?
I have a TiPB and turn it off every night when I go to bed, I've been wary of leaving it on. Does it make a difference if I just put it to sleep? It should be fine right? I always have it plugged into an outlet when it's at home.
KCK
Aug 28, 2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Juventuz
Here's a question for all you people with these nice long uptimes. Do you put your computer to sleep when you're not using it?
I have a TiPB and turn it off every night when I go to bed, I've been wary of leaving it on. Does it make a difference if I just put it to sleep? It should be fine right? I always have it plugged into an outlet when it's at home.
I leave my TiPB on all the time and just let it go to sleep when I'm not using it. I figure it is better to save the wear and tear on the hard drive from having to boot it up all the time. My G4 tower is crunching SETI 24/7 so it never goes to sleep.
mactastic
Aug 28, 2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Juventuz
Here's a question for all you people with these nice long uptimes. Do you put your computer to sleep when you're not using it?
I have a TiPB and turn it off every night when I go to bed, I've been wary of leaving it on. Does it make a difference if I just put it to sleep? It should be fine right? I always have it plugged into an outlet when it's at home.
My TiBook is on all the time too, sleeping at night. I can't see how it's bad to do that. The UNIX system the OS is built on runs better the longer it's on supposedly (although someone else would have to explain how that works to you) and there are root-owned programs that are scheduled to run in the middle of the night to help prevent trouble. Cron and such. I'd say just leave it on.
MrMacMan
Aug 28, 2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Captnroger
I think I got all ya all beat...
Damn, over 99% idle!
:o
What is that running?
And why is that not on folding!
:D
Juventuz
Aug 28, 2003, 03:04 PM
Ahh ok... thanks for the help guys.
Guess I'll just leave it on then and have it go to sleep when I'm not around or downloading something.
GeeYouEye
Aug 28, 2003, 08:32 PM
9 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes. 1.58, 1.48, 1.55
shadowfax
Aug 28, 2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by mactastic
My TiBook is on all the time too, sleeping at night. I can't see how it's bad to do that. The UNIX system the OS is built on runs better the longer it's on supposedly (although someone else would have to explain how that works to you) and there are root-owned programs that are scheduled to run in the middle of the night to help prevent trouble. Cron and such. I'd say just leave it on. there aren't any scheduled things that cron runs that you can't just do yourself--
sudo sh /etc/weekly
sudo sh /etc/daily
sudo sh /etc/monthly
in the terminal will run all the maintenance you miss by sleeping the computer at night. you can download "MacJanitor" from versiontracker to do this for you if you are too wimpy to open the terminal like a fanboy--er, i mean, man.
i dunno about advantages to keeping the thing up without restarts, but i certainly wouldn't bother shutting down and restarting. there are no negative effects of sleeping (hey, apple put a lot of work into it), and it saves a hell of a lot of time on the power-down and power-up.
vniow
Aug 28, 2003, 11:46 PM
Gaaa, this 7 month old thread just won't die!
Mac's down, here's my parent's PC:
Doctor Q
Aug 29, 2003, 12:06 AM
Macs say "1 day":
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=359182
PCs say "1 Days":
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=474058
shadowfax
Sep 17, 2003, 02:38 PM
to slightly resurrect this thread, i have broken my record by about 4 days and counting...
patrick0brien
Sep 17, 2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by shadowfax
to slightly resurrect this thread, i have broken my record by about 4 days and counting...
"mithrandir"? Very nice. My 12PB is named "Frodo".
I'm back up to 19d 17:04. Had to do some DiskWarrior-ing a few weeks ago (my fault).
shadowfax
Sep 17, 2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
"mithrandir"? Very nice. My 12PB is named "Frodo". hehe, cool that you caught that. it's a shame that the damn DHCP here at the dorm renames my host... when i disconnect, the computername is Shadowfax... it goes a lot better than walker~106 or whatever it is.
simX
Sep 17, 2003, 04:38 PM
I'm currently pushing about 33 days on my iMac at home. :) I installed the stupid Java 1.4.1 Update 1, but I force quit the Software Update application -- so I probably should restart sometime soon, but I want to prolong it as long as possible. ;) Nothing's been going wrong, yet, from not restarting.
I'm actually going to be moving into my dorm pretty soon, so my uptime will be reset. :( :( :(
shadowfax
Sep 17, 2003, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by simX
I'm actually going to be moving into my dorm pretty soon, so my uptime will be reset. :( :( :( that's the beauty of owning a laptop--i didn't lose my uptime when i moved into the dorm :D
i've done the same thing as you on the java update, i don't want to restart, heh ;)
MrMacMan
Sep 17, 2003, 05:29 PM
My uptime record (self uptime) was smashed w/ My update to 10.2.7
This is probably the most stable version of X out there.
So far, only safari has crashed... and I can duplicate the bug, so I know what went wrong...
It is great... and it probably will not be released!!
:confused: :eek:
Baja2k
Sep 17, 2003, 07:12 PM
Since I don't have my G5 yet, here are the uptimes for my servers.
Everything in the server room is less than 80 days due to a fire system test. We have a functional dry pipe water system that we tested and an Intergen system that is as of yet not complete. When we tested the dry system it required filling the pipes with water....Uh like NO! So we shut everything down and wrapped the racks in plastic for the test. We get to do it all over again when we have to test(blow) the Intergen system. There's gonna be ceiling tiles and insulation everywhere. We had to have a new metal mesh reinforced window installed as part of the room prep for the intergen system. Wrap the cabinets and get out the video camera. If all goes well it may just be a funny video to watch. If test goes badly I'll use the video as my defense when I start looking for a new job.
Ajmbc
Sep 17, 2003, 07:24 PM
Look at my login time :p
-Ajmbc
shadowfax
Sep 23, 2003, 03:57 PM
well, i made it through the flood--40 days, 40 nights. plus a few minutes :D
'bout time to get the OS X 10.2.8 update now and start all over :(
Nik_Doof
Sep 25, 2003, 04:12 AM
Jabba - AMD Duron 750 Linux server - bout 41-44 days
Greedo - P133 Webserver - 200+ days (has been been rebooted once since i setup the damm thing)
Watto - Win XP...bout 5hrs if im lucky.
I'll do some screenies later :)
alphaone
Sep 25, 2003, 09:52 AM
Mines pathetic. Americas army is soooo unstable :mad:
iElvis
Sep 25, 2003, 10:34 AM
My server uptime:
SiliconAddict
Sep 25, 2003, 02:30 PM
Well our Compaq Proliant server running NT4 SP6A has been up and running since October 1999 when we installed SP6A and the Y2K updates.
My home computers. Heh. It could probably stay up for months if it wasn't for the MS patch of the week thing. Since my home W2K Adv server is exposed, In the case of MS its such a legit word, to the net it would be stupid of me to not stay on the latest patches so invariably I end up installing and rebooting the system at least once a week GRRRR. :(
MrMacMan
Sep 25, 2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by iElvis
My server uptime:
I like your website.
:)
beerguy
Oct 3, 2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
My Mac uptime: 12 days 18 hrs 33 min
The company I work for had a customer who had a Solaris-based Unix system. We told them to reboot after we made a change to a kernel parameter. They asked how to reboot. It turns out they had never done so before. We sold them the computer over a year before, and it had been up continuously ever since!
I do Solaris for a living - that's no joke. My firewall server at home went 461 days. The only reason I shut it down was because I change my Internet provider and didn't need it any more.
patrick0brien
Oct 4, 2003, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by beerguy
I do Solaris for a living - that's no joke. My firewall server at home went 461 days. The only reason I shut it down was because I change my Internet provider and didn't need it any more.
-beerguy
You run [ran] Solaris at home? What on?
beerguy
Oct 4, 2003, 12:40 AM
It was an old Ultra 1 E170. It was plenty fast for use as a router/firewall.
I also have an Ultra 5 that I could bring up if I needed to.
Doctor Q
Oct 4, 2003, 01:09 AM
You can buy old SPARC boxes (which run Solaris) on eBay for practically pennies.
Golem
Oct 4, 2003, 01:19 AM
Slightly Ironical to see this thread today.
Uptime of 128 days from 10.2.7 update to 10.2.8 update for 1 of our xserves. The other shut it self down couple weeks about to heat overload:( Really hot day+small server room+ malfunctioning air conditioner= 45 degrees c ambient.
NicoMan
Oct 4, 2003, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by Golem
Slightly Ironical to see this thread today.
Uptime of 128 days from 10.2.7 update to 10.2.8 update for 1 of our xserves. The other shut it self down couple weeks about to heat overload:( Really hot day+small server room+ malfunctioning air conditioner= 45 degrees c ambient.
I experienced that this summer: someone, during the heatwave in the UK, had touched the aircon in the comms room, and one morning I come in and bang the server is down so I gotta go check it out. I open the door to the comms room and it's like someone is using a blow-dryer on my face. I guess it must have been in the 50 Celsius or so. Ouch!
On a separate note, I must have been one of the first ones to update to the new-and-improved 10.2.8, I'll be up there on uptime...
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