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mywar2000
Feb 4, 2002, 10:45 PM
It was on an antique road show type program... It had an inscription on the back written by woz... Appraised for $10,000!!!!



eyelikeart
Feb 5, 2002, 12:06 AM
how I want an original 1984 Macintosh 128!!!

networkman
Feb 5, 2002, 01:27 PM
there is this guy in california who has the oldest mac with the serial number 0001 on the back of it...an article i read in the newspaper years ago and went to see it and it was certainly a curiosity

oldMac
Feb 5, 2002, 02:07 PM
Seriously, that's not such a great ROI considering how much the machine originally costs. :)

Macmaniac
Feb 21, 2002, 06:48 AM
My friend has Wozniack edition apple 2 in his barn.

kiwi_the_iwik
Mar 9, 2002, 03:11 PM
Geez, art...

If I would have only known - I saw an ORIGINAL 128k Macintosh on www.ebay.co.uk yesterday (and it was a pre-September 1984 model)...

...The guy was selling EVERYTHING!!! And it was in PERFECT condition, including all the original software and manuals. I almost put a bid in myself, but my wife would've had a cow. She thought that £2000 was too excessive for my little Cube last year - I'm still trying to live that one down.

Anyway, it only went for £151...

...What a steal.

There are, however, a few really nice looking Newtons for sale, including a Messagepad 2100 for around £250 with all the extras. Check out www.ebay.co.uk if you're interested...

blakespot
Mar 14, 2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by oldMac
Seriously, that's not such a great ROI considering how much the machine originally costs. :)

The original Macintosh cost $2499. The Lisa, when first released prior to the Mac, cost ~$10,000.



blakespot

blakespot
Mar 14, 2002, 01:52 PM
Original macs move through eBay fairly frequently. Keep an eye out.


blakespot

blakespot
Mar 28, 2002, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by blakespot


The original Macintosh cost $2499. The Lisa, when first released prior to the Mac, cost ~$10,000.
Apparently the Mac IIfx was the most expensive Mac. Also $10,000.


blakespot

Mr. Anderson
Mar 28, 2002, 02:37 PM
Wired News had this story. Now you know why its so important not to throw your boxes out!

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,51208,00.html

Hemingray
Mar 28, 2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
There are, however, a few really nice looking Newtons for sale, including a Messagepad 2100 for around £250 with all the extras. Check out www.ebay.co.uk if you're interested...

I just got a Newton MP 2100 (not the 2000 upgrade) off of eBay for $105. I'm still amazed... considering I paid $125 for my MP130 just a few months ago...!

Hemingray
Mar 28, 2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

Apparently the Mac IIfx was the most expensive Mac. Also $10,000.


blakespot

Ahh yes... the most my dad ever paid for a computer... along with a 21" monitor, a scanner, upgraded RAM, external 200MB hard drive... all in all, he ended up paying about $25,000 for the whole setup... and six months later, it was outdated. :p

And now we complain about a $2,500 pricetag! Scary...

blakespot
Mar 29, 2002, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Hemingray


I just got a Newton MP 2100 (not the 2000 upgrade) off of eBay for $105. I'm still amazed... considering I paid $125 for my MP130 just a few months ago...!
I'd love to get back into the Newton. Sadly, with a serial-port-less Quicksilver and such old sync software, I just don't think I could go back at this point. It was 1999 when I let my MP2000 go. I still wish I had not, but I can't seem to bring myself to grab another one on eBay.

blakespot

Hemingray
Mar 29, 2002, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

I'd love to get back into the Newton. Sadly, with a serial-port-less Quicksilver and such old sync software, I just don't think I could go back at this point. It was 1999 when I let my MP2000 go. I still wish I had not, but I can't seem to bring myself to grab another one on eBay.

blakespot

While I'm still a total newbie to the Newton community, I am looking into options to connect the Newton to Apple's newest computers. So far, I've come up with the Keyspan USB Twin Serial adapter for connections AND I found a Sync program for OS X called Newten 1.1. Haven't been able to use it yet, but it sounds promising!

blakespot
Mar 29, 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray


While I'm still a total newbie to the Newton community, I am looking into options to connect the Newton to Apple's newest computers. So far, I've come up with the Keyspan USB Twin Serial adapter for connections AND I found a Sync program for OS X called Newten 1.1. Haven't been able to use it yet, but it sounds promising!
Please post a link for Newten. I'd love to see it.

The Stealth Serial Port is a much better serial solution in that it gives you access to the new G4's built in oldschool serial port, but you have to sacrifice your modem to do it. It is 100% compatible with hardware serial, very much unlike the Keyspan USB->serial solutions.

I had one on an old G3 400 (B&W) and it worked great for setting up an AppleTalk network between my G3 and my Apple IIgs. I may get one for my quicksilver for the same purpose, but adding a Mac Plus into the mix as well.


blakespot

me hate windows
Mar 29, 2002, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
how I want an original 1984 Macintosh 128!!!

If you have a Deseret Industries by you, then they are super duper mega easy to find. If you don't know what deseret industries is, it is a place where people donate their old stuff, and you can get it for super cheap. I have seen them their before, but they don't have any inscriptions. You can also find lots of other Mac stuff like Personal Laser Writers, Old PowerMacs, StyleWriters, and I eaven heard of someone finding a GeForce2MX in one of the boxes of graphics cards and junk.:eek: (I don't beleive it, but it is definately possible). I wish I could find something like that:(

Hemingray
Mar 29, 2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

Please post a link for Newten. I'd love to see it.

The Stealth Serial Port is a much better serial solution in that it gives you access to the new G4's built in oldschool serial port, but you have to sacrifice your modem to do it. It is 100% compatible with hardware serial, very much unlike the Keyspan USB->serial solutions.

I had one on an old G3 400 (B&W) and it worked great for setting up an AppleTalk network between my G3 and my Apple IIgs. I may get one for my quicksilver for the same purpose, but adding a Mac Plus into the mix as well.


blakespot

Here ya go:
http://www.panic.com/~stevenf/index.php?node=NewTen

(Thank goodness for ReadMe files, I never would have found that URL again otherwise. :D )

From the web site:

"A KeySpan USB serial adapter and appropriate Mac OS X drivers are required to use NewTen. I've also heard reports that NewTen is compatible with the legacy serial ports built-into older beige Macs, and the Gee Three Stealth serial port, but have not personally confirmed this."

sparkleytone
Mar 30, 2002, 06:37 PM
this is a pretty useless post, as I am just trying to hit for the cycle...all accessible forum groups last posted on by me LOL.

if you want to take away posts arn, g'head i guess :/ i try to let it be known i could care less about post count anyways.

buffsldr
Mar 31, 2002, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by me hate windows


If you have a Deseret Industries by you, then they are super duper mega easy to find. If you don't know what deseret industries is, it is a place where people donate their old stuff, and you can get it for super cheap. I have seen them their before, but they don't have any inscriptions. You can also find lots of other Mac stuff like Personal Laser Writers, Old PowerMacs, StyleWriters, and I eaven heard of someone finding a GeForce2MX in one of the boxes of graphics cards and junk.:eek: (I don't beleive it, but it is definately possible). I wish I could find something like that:(

I bought my HP ScanJet IIC at Deseret Industries for $10. Works like a champ.

Beej
Mar 31, 2002, 08:22 AM
Ahhh! Blakespot! I am going to have to report you to a moderator! Not only did you double-post, you TRIPLE-posted! Ha ha ha!

:D :D :D

blakespot
Mar 31, 2002, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Hemingray


Here ya go:
http://www.panic.com/~stevenf/index.php?node=NewTen

(Thank goodness for ReadMe files, I never would have found that URL again otherwise. :D )

From the web site:

"A KeySpan USB serial adapter and appropriate Mac OS X drivers are required to use NewTen. I've also heard reports that NewTen is compatible with the legacy serial ports built-into older beige Macs, and the Gee Three Stealth serial port, but have not personally confirmed this."
I ordered the Stealth Serial Port from GeeThree last night. We'll see how it works out. GeeThree feels it will work with Newten. Again, my main purpose is to get LocalTalk going from my G4 to my Apple IIgs and Mac Plus.


blakespot

mc68k
Apr 16, 2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by networkman
there is this guy in california who has the oldest mac with the serial number 0001 on the back of it...an article i read in the newspaper years ago and went to see it and it was certainly a curiosity

The model # for the original Macintosh series was M0001 since the unit was the first manufacted macintosh ever. This is the model # for the whole series so unless he had the ORIGINAL mac then it's the same as the rest in that series.

Originally posted by mywar2000
It was on an antique road show type program... It had an inscription on the back written by woz... Appraised for $10,000!!!!

There are inscriptions in the inside of all original 128K cases. On the inside of the back panel there is a small Woz signature and in the middle there is a huge Jobs signature. Ironically enough, the huge Jobs signature is obscured but the small Woz sig remains intact. Unless this had a different Woz signature, then it's prob worth <$500 on eBay, even with accessories.

Originally posted by Macmaniac
My friend has Wozniack edition apple 2 in his barn.

These are not worth a whole lot considering that there were 10,000 made starting in '86 and the ROM was a limiting factor for many extended functions. The boards with later ROM revisions fetch more $ on eBay as you can do more with them. Without a patch the ROM 00 on the Woz Apple //'s will even not run GS/OS.

Didn't want to be so negative, but these things pop up on eBay all the time. :)

blakespot
Apr 16, 2002, 10:45 PM
To see a photo of the signatures on the inside of a Mac Plus case, take a look at my site here:

http://www.blakespot.com/macplus



blakespot

rainman::|:|
Apr 16, 2002, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

Apparently the Mac IIfx was the most expensive Mac. Also $10,000.


blakespot

Wait, how much was the TAM? I thought it was just over that retail. I've heard a lot of different figures, but I wasn't paying any attention when it was released, and price breaks came fast...

pnw

mc68k
Apr 17, 2002, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by paulwhannel


Wait, how much was the TAM? I thought it was just over that retail. I've heard a lot of different figures, but I wasn't paying any attention when it was released, and price breaks came fast...

pnw

http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=aniversary.html

Apple history says $<10K for the TAM. But was still one of the most expensive if not best-looking.
Lisa was not a Mac but was $10K.
IIfx was a Mac— $10k.

These represent the top of their respective niches in the Apple line:
TAM - Table-top luxury
LISA - Multi-tasking GUI Innovation/Implementation
IIfx - "wicked fast"

Hard to think my humble S900 clone sold for close to $5K just a few years ago. I have a list of the most expensive Macs in a Macworld secrets book at work, too bad I don't have it here. The book also shows devaluation of Macs over time. IIfx is like <$50, LISA 1/2 <$1000/$<500, and TAM - <$1500 (estimated eBay values). TAM and LISA are just collectibles now. Mac II series is not really desirable for collecting.

With rampant consumerism in today's computer market, seems hard to believe that people used to spend that much, comparitively.

blakespot
Apr 17, 2002, 08:48 AM
LISA - Multi-tasking GUI Innovation/Implementation

I was about to tell you that the Lisa was not a multitasker...but I just did a search and found that the Lisa actually had preemptive multitasking (http://fp3.antelecom.net/gcifu/applemuseum/lisa2.html)! Amazing. How did the Mac not inherit this? Multifinder did not come until a few years after the Mac's intial debut, and it is a very poor example of how to multitask ('poor' also describing the multitasking model of OS 9.2.2). You learn something new every day.


blakespot

(On a bizarrely tangential note, I found this (http://www.jg.org/folk/artists/fredsmall/applelisa.html) in doing a search on the Lisa... Scary...)

mc68k
Apr 17, 2002, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

Amazing. How did the Mac not inherit this? Multifinder did not come until a few years after the Mac's intial debut, and it is a very poor example of how to multitask ('poor' also describing the multitasking model of OS 9.2.2). You learn something new every day.


blakespot


This LISA FAQ (http://www.ohinter.net/jeff/programming/lisaLegacy/) was VERY informative on many aspects of the machine. I agree that the multi-tasking model of OS 9 (descended from Multifinder) is still poor. If only Apple had kept innovating we still wouldn't be using essentially the same OS as the early '80's.

To answer your question:

"When Apple introduced the Lisa in January 1983, the Macintosh was still under development. In January 1984 Apple introduced the Macintosh, a physically smaller version of the Lisa.

The Macintosh from a casual glance resembled the Lisa in many ways. But underneath, the Macintosh and the Lisa were totally different. The Lisa supported a multi-tasking operating system, the Macintosh supported single-tasking. The Lisa's extra memory (8 times larger than the Macintosh) and hard drive allowed larger more-sophisticated Lisa programs and larger data files.

The Lisa's Desktop Manager and its distinctive user interface were used by the Macintosh developers as a foundation for the Macintosh's Finder and its user interface…

…I don't mean to criticize the Macintosh unfairly since it has in its own right contributed much to the field of personal computing. But from an overall perspective the Lisa was a result of a total system approach that delivered integrated functions with a consistent and high quality user interface. I can only speculate how this "total approach" originated but think it may have something to do with the experience and age differences of the Lisa and Macintosh development teams. From my readings it appears that the Lisa developers were about a decade older than their Macintosh counterparts. The Lisa developers came mainly from large computer companies (eg Xerox, HP, DEC) which dealt mainly with mini-computer class systems, while the Macintosh developers came mainly from Apple itself and its Apple 2 and 3 computer divisions. The Lisa developers also appear to have had a different perspective on programming than the Macintosh developers. The Lisa's core software was mainly written in Pascal, a high-level language. Macintosh core software on the other hand was written in 68000 assembly language."

Mac Dummy
Nov 26, 2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by blakespot
I'd love to get back into the Newton. Sadly, with a serial-port-less Quicksilver and such old sync software, I just don't think I could go back at this point. It was 1999 when I let my MP2000 go. I still wish I had not, but I can't seem to bring myself to grab another one on eBay.

blakespot

That's how I feel about my Apple IIe, it was a about a 1985 model I'm guessing. My parents bought it from a college student around 1989. It had the factory dual 5.25" floppy drive unit and a green monochrome screen all enclosed in a beige case. We had to let it go in 1992, due to lack of software options. Unfortunately, I became a Windows user for the next 12 years, but I finally broke free and bought a 12" Powerbook in September. I still wish I had my old Apple II though, I loved playing "Wings of Fury" on it dispite the green screen, when I wasn't using it to write reports for school.:(

Mac Dummy
Nov 26, 2003, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
While I'm still a total newbie to the Newton community, I am looking into options to connect the Newton to Apple's newest computers. So far, I've come up with the Keyspan USB Twin Serial adapter for connections AND I found a Sync program for OS X called Newten 1.1. Haven't been able to use it yet, but it sounds promising!

If your trying to sync up to OS X, then you might try here. http://www.everchanging.com/newton/

rainman::|:|
Nov 26, 2003, 11:49 PM
this is the oldest thread i've seen resurrected with a post by myself in it :)

pnw