OS X 10.4.6 Now Available

[shambolic]

Hmm... something must be wrong - this is the first Tiger update so far that hasn't broken TransparentDock (http://www.freerangemac.com/pages/software.html) ;)

[snood]

Update completely borked my 12" 867mhz powerbook. Gave the weird error saying that the update was unsuccessful and to retreive the update from the trash and to try again. Of course running the update again did not work, and no other apps would load, they would just bounce once in the dock and nothing would happen. Could not mount any firewire drives either.

Tracked down my tiger dvd and am doing an archive and install as we speak.

happy 30th apple :mad:

Ouch.

Mmm. Thanks for those who said it went well but after a few of these I wonder if I should wait.

[zagato27]

Ok, just saw the news bout the new update. I'll try it but I'm cringing a bit. I originally downloaded 10.4.5 and then the number pad on my Macally Icekey keyboard wouldn't work. The Logitech MX1000 laser mouse developed problems ie. the application button would no longer function (it still isn't working). I had to go back to 10.4.4. Number pad is working but still issues with the mouse. Arrrrrgh, am I gonna do this? I'll be back.....maybe. Cheers
Good news, downloaded the update and everything seems to be working. Well, still have trouble with my Logitech MX1000. I just can't get the button working to change applications:( . Everything else is ok. Seems to be snappy performance. Yes, got the double boot. Nice to see that when repairing permissions that there is no longer a huge laundry list. Good to go. I'd be remiss if I didn't say Happy B'day to Apple (belatedly). Come on new iBooks! Cheers

[Doctor Q]

This is a bit hard to read, so I'll try some other styles.

[avensis087]

update worked perfectly for me. 108 MB seemed large compared to the PPC version. anybody out there praying that tomorrow brings something more special than an OS X update??

[bbyrdhouse]

I have a Powerbook G4 1.67 Ghz with 1 Gig of ram, but when I installed the update it only recognizes 512 Mb.

I have swapped the ram around to see if this makes a difference but to no avail.

Each stick of ram is good because each of them work seperately.

I am on the phone (holding) with Apple Tech Support now to see what they have to say.

Argh....

[GhostFace]

My Aiport Extreme was fine with 10.4.4. Once I updated from 10.4.4 to 10.4.5 my signal has been very very week. I was hoping this update would fix it. No dice. Should i take my powerbook to apple and get a new airport? Any help would be great.

[2nyRiggz]

Ahh...look like some of those mail issues will be handled....mail always hangs on me. I'm still installing it(using xp)....glad to see spotlight spreading its wings.


Bless

[Stella]

...honestly, for those of you who get "errors" and all this junk about your Mac not starting up etc., what the heck do you run!? Leave the UI modifiers for the trash...

Hey, I don't use any haxies or anything like them... and still the update trashed the computer. repaired permissions, closed all apps... updated... FUBAR'ed.



Error 88 loading the kernel on start up... ( view this by going into Verbose mode )

[ModestPenguin]

sooo as I am running the installer, i get to the select destination screen and it says that i "cannot install Mac OS X Update (Intel) on this volume. This Volume does not meet the requirements for this update.":( :( :(

HELP?

Edit: I just restarted and am now getting the gray screen with an alternating logo of apple and a gray circle with a line through it....aggggh!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[jadekitty24]

Hhhmm...after updating I restarted, all seems fine. But I went into System Preferances then into Login Items and removed a few apps from the list. Despite the fact that I have the little padlock in the lower left-hand corner in the closed position it didn't ask me for my password. Bug?

[magi.sys]

I'm betting Aperture 1.1 is being released tomorrow ;)

[Detlev]

YEAH BABY!!!! This is the 30th anniversary update. I knew they wouldn't let us down. Thank you Steve!! You go, man.

Back to reality:

Cool, Disk Utility's repair permissions feature will no longer report "We are using special permissions for..." messages.

[designed]

Seems like no dice for the Intel Mac's refusal to connect to a wireless network automatically. Had my home network on the preferred list and still had to point the network out before something happened.

Otherwise no comments on either direction.

[Eidorian]

"Addresses USB audio issues for PowerPC Macs; for example, latency is improved."


Nice, not that I experience any latency as it is, but now it should be super fast.

W00t.

:)I noticed my USB headset stopped locking my machine after 10.4.4. :D

[designed]

Can anybody out there help meeee?

Have you tried using the Apple Hardware Tester or other stuff (booting off the Tiger install disc to check the startup disk etc.) mentioned in the back of the User's manual?

The grey circle with the line through it wouldn't happend to be the power symbol, would it?

[cjboffoli97]

I updated to 10.4.6 (Intel/MacBookPro) and ran a permissions repair. I was surprised as some others have been that the permission repair fixed nothing. Probably the first time I have ever seen that. Everything seems fine except for Safari.

Before the update, page loads were virtually instantaneous. After, Safari seems to hang half-way through page loads. It doesn't matter what kind of page I try to load. They all lag. I tried resetting my DSL modem. I restarted my Airport Extreme. When I run java-based speed tests, the up and down speeds are fine. Page loads are still almost instantaneous with the Deerpark (Firefox) browser. Only Safari seems to be affected.

[ingenious]

damn... its a biggie... i had better get the dial up connection going :(


Yeah, I'm waiting 'til I get to school tomorrow. I always use the "Download and Save Package" option. Definitely saves time.

Uh, 10.4.x updates are not the same as MS service packs. A Microsoft service pack is the equivalent of a 10.x update. They release bug fixes and security updates just as frequently as Apple.

Not really. 10.x updates are like completely new Windows updates (i.e. XP vs. 2000). Service Packs are best equated to 10.x.x updates, IMO.

Can anybody out there help meeee?

Is it a PPC-based Mac? Apple said that PPC Macs would have to restart twice before the update was completely installed.


<snip>
-With the Mac OS X 10.4.6 system software update, PowerPC-based Macs will restart twice, instead of once, after the initial installation.
<snip>

Update completely borked my 12" 867mhz powerbook. Gave the weird error saying that the update was unsuccessful and to retreive the update from the trash and to try again. Of course running the update again did not work, and no other apps would load, they would just bounce once in the dock and nothing would happen. Could not mount any firewire drives either.

Tracked down my tiger dvd and am doing an archive and install as we speak.

happy 30th apple :mad:


You should've just downloaded the stand-alone update and tried again. They say to do that if they install process gets interrupted.

[Pistol Pete]

I'm betting Aperture 1.1 is being released tomorrow ;)


Nice thought....I hope...

[Peace]

Edit: I just restarted and am now getting the gray screen with an alternating logo of apple and a gray circle with a line through it....aggggh!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

What version OS X did you have on it before the update?
Had you been playing around with the dual-boot at all?
Do you have 2 partitions ?

[BollywooD]

works fine on my G4 ibook, although MainMenu 1.53 informed me it doesnt support 10.4.6 and quit.

I also had run the Mail appearance hack "cageFighter" and my icons were reset to the standard mail look.

other than that everything looks good so far.

[eddyg]

You should've just downloaded the stand-alone update and tried again. They say to do that if they install process gets interrupted.

The install process interrupts itself, for an as yet unknown reason. After that it leaves the system in an unusable state. You can't do anything. Can't start any process without an exception. You can't reboot, all that is left is a reinstall.

I don't have enough spare disk space for an Archive&Install so this leaves a nice fresh Tiger install. And I'll spend the rest of the day getting everything back again :(

So much for work today, and here was me thinking that this sort of issue was unique to Windows.

But on the plus side I get a chance to remove the crud, and anyway, this is the first time this has ever happened across three macs and many upgrades.

Cheers, Ed.

[snood]

I'm not sure if you've already begun the complete re-install yet, but I did not have enough space and used the terminal that is built into the tiger install disc to delete a few large files.

That, along with removing the printer drivers and additional languages, gave me just enough space to complete the archive + install. Definitely worth a shot if you can recall some large files on your system.

The install process interrupts itself, for an as yet unknown reason. After that it leaves the system in an unusable state. You can't do anything. Can't start any process without an exception. You can't reboot, all that is left is a reinstall.

I don't have enough spare disk space for an Archive&Install so this leaves a nice fresh Tiger install. And I'll spend the rest of the day getting everything back again :(

So much for work today, and here was me thinking that this sort of issue was unique to Windows.

But on the plus side I get a chance to remove the crud, and anyway, this is the first time this has ever happened across three macs and many upgrades.

Cheers, Ed.

[Macinbest]

Hmm... something must be wrong - this is the first Tiger update so far that hasn't broken TransparentDock (http://www.freerangemac.com/pages/software.html) ;)
First thing I noticed too :D

[Multimedia]

I don't think it's placebo when I say Safari Appears To Be Much Faster. Sites that took a long time to load now load in way shorter time. :cool:

[aegisdesign]

Well you kind of missed my point. I was talking about what I noticed. I don't use Mail. I don't use Safari. I use Entourage and Firefox. Migration doesn't help me. I have nothing to migrate from. The built in slide shows don't display pictures in order, so I use third party software for that. I hardly ever use the shell.

But I shall shut up now. It's like walking into a mosque and shouting 'Praise Jesus' in here sometimes hahah...

So, just because you don't notice something was new in a release means it doesn't exist? That seems a fair way to compare two pieces of software....NOT. Fact is, each 10.x release has major feature additions, whether you notice them or not. Equally, fact is, Windows service packs don't. They're just rollups of all their bugfixes.

Nothing religious about that. It's reality of the non-distorted kind.

Occasionally we get new features in OSX 'service packs' too like the widget management tool in 10.4.1 or Safari 1.3 in 10.3.9. But I guess since you don't use those you've probably not noticed.

[alosii]

Powerbook 15' 1.67GHz working fine after updating.

[aegisdesign]

I feel so bad for you BUT you really didn't do it right. ALWAYS shut down all apps and repair permissions b4 running the COMBO updater - never the incremental. Leaving applications running and not repairing permissions before running only the Combo is just asking for trouble. Sorry Eddy. You really didn't follow protocol. :(

That's baloney. If that was the protocol, Apple would make you do that before running the software update. They don't.

I've never done it, since 10.1 days. Never had a problem.

[joecool85]

All seems well on my power mac. I think I'm going to wait a couple days before I put it on my PB since I read about one guy having issues.

[aegisdesign]

upgraded on iMac G5 and can no longer connect to the internet.. and don't know how to fix it..

my iMac isn't recognizing my USB network adapter
..i'll find a solution sooner or later :P


Binning the USB network adaptor?

Really, more trouble than they are worth even on Windows never mind the Mac.

[JZ Wire]

. . . anybody out there praying that tomorrow brings something more special than an OS X update??
I am! At least update that Homepage and acknowledge you had a 30th anniversary. :rolleyes:

[eastindyguy]

Mine is sized at 163MB.

45.3M may take a while on a busy Monday night net.

Anyone installed yet?

[alexstein]

I updated my Software.

Hit the Restart button, Machine Restarts, Startup Chime, Grey Screen with Apple logo, Nothing for a while, Black Screen, Machine Restarts, Apple Chime, Grey Screen with Apple logo, Blue Screen, Mac OSX thingy, Desktop Wallpaper, Menu Bar, Dock.

Rough Startup but hey it finally worked. It was a little scary I wonder what caused the reboot hick-up.

[WildCowboy]

I updated my Software.

Hit the Restart button, Machine Restarts, Startup Chime, Grey Screen with Apple logo, Nothing for a while, Black Screen, Machine Restarts, Apple Chime, Grey Screen with Apple logo, Blue Screen, Mac OSX thingy, Desktop Wallpaper, Menu Bar, Dock.

Rough Startup but hey it finally worked. It was a little scary I wonder what caused the reboot hick-up.

That's exactly what's supposed to happen with this update.

[the.snitch]

wow, its the first 10.x.x update ever to not break compatibility with my clear dock background using TransparentDock. That developer can finally get a rest :)

[JonD25]

Sorry if someone already mentioned this (12 pages is quite a bit to rummage through), but I really hope this fixes the Intel iMac keyboard problems. There's really no mention of it in the list of updates, which if it actually was something fixed I would think it would be mentioned since it seems like a major issue (I would also think that that since it's a major issue, it woulda been fixed a long time ago, but I suppose I'm wrong about that as well). Anyways, so far so good, but I haven't been running 10.4.6 for very long. Here's hoping...

[Detlev]

I wonder what caused the reboot hick-up.
I think it was planned that way. No hick-up. Make sure you repair permissions.

[Multimedia]

I feel so bad for you BUT you really didn't do it right. ALWAYS shut down all apps and repair permissions b4 running the COMBO updater - never the incremental. Leaving applications running and not repairing permissions before running only the Combo is just asking for trouble. Sorry Eddy. You really didn't follow protocol.
That's baloney. If that was the protocol, Apple would make you do that before running the software update. They don't.

I've never done it, since 10.1 days. Never had a problem.Just because they don't "make you do that" doen't mean you don't need to to make sure you don't run into problems like Eddyg had. And just because you never had a problem not doing it doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. You are darned lucky aegisdesign. I would never run an update while other applications are still running and without running repair permissions first and with only the Combo and never the incremental updater. But that's just me. You could be right. Only Eddyg may not think so right now.

Can I get a witness here? I need an amen please. ;) :D :p :cool: :eek: :eek:

[bousozoku]

wow, its the first 10.x.x update ever to not break compatibility with my clear dock background using TransparentDock. That developer can finally get a rest :)

That's because the developer of TransparentDock was actually ahead of things and testing before 10.4.5 was released. I suspect they not only wanted to be ahead of time but update-proof.

[BWhaler]

YEAH BABY!!!! This is the 30th anniversary update. I knew they wouldn't let us down. Thank you Steve!! You go, man.

Back to reality:

Cool, Disk Utility's repair permissions feature will no longer report "We are using special permissions for..." messages.

That is a smart move by Apple.

There were many posts here by uneducated noobs who complained that Disk Utility always "reported problems."

Do we have to have this discussion every year? :eek:

Amen.

It is the most boring and pathetic debate.

THEY HAVE FIXED AIRPORT ON MY INTEL MINI. SIGNAL STRENGTH BETTER THAN EVER!

I scanned over the thread and hadn't seen any reports yet so here is your early indication!

Great to read, and thanks for sharing. I'm going to go update my wife's Mac mini now. Outside of the wireless issues, it's an amazing computer...so I hope those issues are now gone...

[dylan]

Just installed it. TextEdit feels alot "snappier".

[aegisdesign]

I see the repair permissions myth is still going strong.

See http://daringfireball.net/2004/12/software_update

Totally right.

Just because they don't "make you do that" doen't mean you don't need to to make sure you don't run into problems like Eddyg had. And just because you never had a problem not doing it doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. You are darned lucky aegisdesign. I would never run an update while other applications are still running and without running repair permissions first and with only the Combo and never the incremental updater. But that's just me. You could be right. Only Eddyg may not think so right now.


I'm not darned lucky. I just don't listen to the crap on here and I'm careful what software I install. No haxies, no Norton anything, no input managers, no kernel hacks, no dodgy fonts. Regular Apple sanctioned system maintenance and backups which I've never needed.

[alexstein]

That's exactly what's supposed to happen with this update.


I saw it now, too. I should have read the info sheet a little bit more careful. Thanks though.

[cyberddot]

wow, its the first 10.x.x update ever to not break compatibility with my clear dock background using TransparentDock. That developer can finally get a rest :)

(Off-topic: Hey! Thanks for the 'ware name :D I hadn't looked at all, but I was wanting something to do even less than that software provides!)

Topic-On: The update went just fine on my G5 iMac. Maybe I should say it went as expected, with requisite double-start, and slight delay at getting to the login. As others have mentioned, how one can make it to the end of this thread and ask, "What's up with the hick-up?" is truly mistifying. :D Maybe the install took much longer than it seemed, but then I've got the patience to read though a bit of the thread before the ADD (Added Desire to Drink) starts to take its toll. <sip>

[bousozoku]

I see the repair permissions myth is still going strong.

See http://daringfireball.net/2004/12/software_update

Totally right.

Considering that my Applications folder changed owners since the update and was changed during the repair, it's not much of a myth, though repeated repairs since Tiger don't make much difference or sense.

[VanNess]

I'm not darned lucky. I just don't listen to the crap on here and I'm careful what software I install. No haxies, no Norton anything, no input managers, no kernel hacks, no dodgy fonts. Regular Apple sanctioned system maintenance and backups which I've never needed.

I strongly agree with aegisdesign on this and would add that I also don't make system or application changes at all via the terminal unless a) it's sanctioned by Apple via a knowledgebase article, or b) there is an accompanying reset or "undo" command - a get out of jail free card.

I'm not a member of the church of permissions repair. There are basically only two instances when I run it: The first is if I'm really, really bored and want to pass some time, and the second is if an application uses the old "vice" installer which often sets incorrect permissions (Yep, I'm looking at you Macromedia/Adobe). Even still, I haven't had an issue yet with a vice installer where it's usage has caused any noticeable performance degradation or abnormalities pertaining either to operation of the system or the application it installs - only the fact that disk utility corrects permissions for the files that were installed. But there is never a difference in performance or function afterwards.

Repair permissions has become sort of the modern day equivalent of the legendary "rebuild the desktop" advice from the days of Mac OS 9 and earlier. A magic cure all for anything - and I mean anything. Both are relatively harmless, safe to run, and extremely unlikely to cause any problems in and of themselves. But whether they specifically address a problem the user is having is another story altogether.

My machine came with 10.3.0 installed. I've installed every update since then without a single problem right through 10.4.6. I've never repaired permissions before or after an OS update, and never had any reason to. When I upgraded to Tiger, I used the basic upgrade, not archive and install or clean install. So far, there have been none - zero - problems.

[treblah]

Considering that my Applications folder changed owners since the update and was changed during the repair, it's not much of a myth, though repeated repairs since Tiger don't make much difference or sense.

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions

Cue permissions controversy in 3, 2, 1…

[VanNess]

The built in slide shows don't display pictures in order, so I use third party software for that.

If you set the folder that contains your pics to column view (not icon or list), the built-in slideshow will display the pics in order.

[bousozoku]

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions

Cue permissions controversy in 3, 2, 1…

Oh, I know. People go overboard. When I suspect that there were a lot of permission problems during Jaguar. I remember installing twice to get everything installed. The good thing is that the special permissions messages are hidden. No more newbies running Disk Utility 15 times in a row. :p

I know UNIX fairly well having dealt with it daily during the 1990s and permissions shouldn't go wrong in normal operations, but my experience with Mac OS X from the public beta forward that it wasn't normal--sometimes better, sometimes worse.

I'm pretty satisfied by the end of Tiger that it'll be a reasonably stable operating system...for UNIX.

[bb0ys]

12" powerbook 867MHz with a CD-Burner 640mb ram and a 60gb hd. After installing 10.4.6 and rebooting (the normal twice for PPC) i put a dvd in with some data on it. the disc never showed up in the finder and it wont eject. Holding down the trackpad button on startup wont eject it, but it does make motor noises a bunch before continuing to start.

the worst part is that in system profiler it says I don't have a burner but it does see the cd drive in the ata menu. iTunes says no disc burner or software found. hopefully its 10.4.6 and not my hardware dying at a coincidental time.

[Tech]

Sorry if someone already mentioned this (12 pages is quite a bit to rummage through), but I really hope this fixes the Intel iMac keyboard problems. There's really no mention of it in the list of updates, which if it actually was something fixed I would think it would be mentioned since it seems like a major issue (I would also think that that since it's a major issue, it woulda been fixed a long time ago, but I suppose I'm wrong about that as well). Anyways, so far so good, but I haven't been running 10.4.6 for very long. Here's hoping...

Im hoping it fixes that problem too. Pulling down the update right now.

[iMeowbot]

Anyone here brave enough to run the server update yet?
Yep, but it's on a machine installed this weekend, so it isn't doing much yet. Everything that's running appears to work, but ...

But really, Postfix feels snappier ;)

[plinden]

Well, I installed it on my Core Duo iMac - no new problems, but ...

... the wireless WPA encryption slowness is still not fixed. If anything, it's slower than before.

[eddyg]

Hi,

I now know of six people who have had serious upgrade issues with this
update.

The symptoms in all cases are the upgrade process failing, putting the
installer in the Trash and leaving computer unable to execute any
process without a CPU exception. Subsequent reboots then fail.

The only solution is to reinstall MacOS 10.4 and then download the patches
~220Mb worth to get you back to where you were.

I suspect that Apple may pull this update and have a new one soon..

Cheers, Ed.

[aswitcher]

Hi,

I now know of six people who have had serious upgrade issues with this
update.

The symptoms in all cases are the upgrade process failing, putting the
installer in the Trash and leaving computer unable to execute any
process without a CPU exception. Subsequent reboots then fail.

The only solution is to reinstall MacOS 10.4 and then download the patches
~220Mb worth to get you back to where you were.

I suspect that Apple may pull this update and have a new one soon..

Cheers, Ed.


Thanks. Yeah, looks like a premature release.

[rugonnaeatthat]

Has worked fine for me.... No issues whatsoever.

[cepler]

After updating I'm having weird keychain problems and wireless problems doing WPA auth with my access point. I'd suggest holding off applying. Anyone else see weird wireless issues?

[kettle]

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1046combo.html

Am I looking for something at Apple.com?

Yes, the combo download please.


http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforppc.html

oops

[aussiemac86]

I dont know if this has been suggested, but what do people think about having a poll for every update of the OS,

eg have something like the following as the poll choices:
update installed with noticeable improvement to system
update installed no noticeable difference
update installed with minor speed decrease
update installed with minor incompatibility issues
update installed with serious decrease in system performance/operation
update did not install correctly
update killed my mac

This way instead of wading through 13+ pages of forum a quick look at the poll would let people get a general feeling for what this update is doing to peoples macs, and if it is a good idea to maybe wait to install, or jump right in.

Just putting an idea out there

[sonictonic]

I think this is a good idea! :)


I dont know if this has been suggested, but what do people think about having a poll for every update of the OS,

eg have something like the following as the poll choices:
update installed with noticeable improvement to system
update installed no noticeable difference
update installed with minor speed decrease
update installed with minor incompatibility issues
update installed with serious decrease in system performance/operation
update did not install correctly
update killed my mac

This way instead of wading through 13+ pages of forum a quick look at the poll would let people get a general feeling for what this update is doing to peoples macs, and if it is a good idea to maybe wait to install, or jump right in.

Just putting an idea out there

[zen]

Just to add my voice to the growing chorus that is suggesting something is wrong with this update.

I used software update to download and install 10.4.6 on my 12" 800Mhz G4 iBook. It was running 10.4.5, all up-to-date, with no modifications or haxies or anything running.

At the end of the install I got the error saying the package had been moved to the trash. The finder was still usable but no apps would launch. I dragged the package out of the trash but it refused to run.

I had to power down by holding down the power button. Rebooted and the iBook hung on the grey Apple for about 15 minutes. Powered off again, and fortunately my wife brought her work PC laptop home so I looked up this thread to see what the issue was.

So an hour later I've reinstalled Tiger from the DVD and am downloading the 10.4.5 combo update.

Thanks Apple! What a great way to spend an evening.

Zen :mad:

[yamato]

My updater is 163 Mb !! on Intel

[iTwitch]

Updated my 1.33 Ghz iBook a few minutes ago and all seems well. Is it me or do most of the people experiencing problems running older systems?

[rayz]

So you missed the completely new interface in Mail? RSS built in to Safari? New Preferences? Finder Smart Folders? Burnable Folders? Fast updates in Finder if you update a file in a shell? Built in Slideshows? Migration Assistant? And those are just the obvious ones.

Here's the rest...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/over200.html

Equating that with an XP service pack is wrong. Up until XP SP2, I don't think I ever came across a new feature being added in a Windows service pack and I've been using Windows 2.11. SP2 added features that should have been there from the start and still missed out features like burning DVDs.

We've had more features in a minor OSX release than some full Windows releases.


To a certain extent that's probably true. MS releases minor updates pretty regularly, but usually leave mass changes to the big releases. This can be very annoying, but it is understandable; they're really victims of their own monopoly.

For a start, they have to build and maintain an OS that runs on a ridiculous number of configurations, 99% of which Microsoft hasn't even seen. As well as that, they have to ensure they don't break an equally ridiculous number of applications. When you're hampered by this level of backwards-compatibility, it's little wonder things go very slowly.

Apple on the other hand, only needs to support a handful of machines, a relatively small number of applications and the relatively small size of the user base means that they can release stuff that won't run on older versions of their own OS, without causing that many people, that much hassle.

MS doesn't have the luxury of just busting stuff at each new release; it would be disastrous for their users if they did.

The other problem is incentive. Most Windows purchases are pre-installs. So from MS' point of view there is little need to rush out an OS, because they've pretty much tied up the market anyway. There's no real difference (money-wise) from a machine pre-installed with XP and a machine installed with Vista.

[Cue]

NOKIA
6270


Yeah! Now thats what I'm talking about! :D
My only grip with MacOS was its ability to sync with my Nokia Series 40 phone!

Full support for Address Book, Calendar, To-Do :D (what's left is Notes sync)

[maxigalaxy]

ssorry I didn't go thorugh the whole thread...but is it just me or Safari is flying after the update:D

[conradzoo]

Anyone with aperture, does it recognize the Nikon D200?

To answer my own question: Yes it does!

[shadowmoses]

Just on iBook sig, double restart freaked me out at first, and it took ages to get going....Just booted to OS X seems to be fine, Saying this after what has been said i'm weary of installing the update on my iMac G5....Think i'll give it another couple days,

SHadoW

[cal6n]

Just because they don't "make you do that" doen't mean you don't need to to make sure you don't run into problems like Eddyg had. And just because you never had a problem not doing it doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. You are darned lucky aegisdesign. I would never run an update while other applications are still running and without running repair permissions first and with only the Combo and never the incremental updater. But that's just me. You could be right. Only Eddyg may not think so right now.

Can I get a witness here? I need an amen please. ;) :D :p :cool: :eek: :eek:


No chance. baloney is what it is!

:cool:

[BRLawyer]

Thanks. Yeah, looks like a premature release.

Sorry but NO, it's not a premature release; it is working perfectly for most Mac users around. Just a few remarks for the scared ones:

1) Apple STATES that in PPC machines there is a DOUBLE reboot - no odd behavior intended, so please relax;

2) On Disk Utility you will ONLY see, from now on, permission repair messages when they ARE supposed to happen;

3) The Cagefighter haxie for Mail (to use Panther-style buttons) is gone for now; the update kills it (not that I would care much anyway);

4) Notwithstanding what other users say about the "repair permissions myth", please DO quit all apps and DO repair permissions before running the update.

The risk of facing problems gets much lower, and the hassle you have is irrelevant even if "repair permissions" are not that necessary anymore;

5) I have always used the Software Update mode with the routines above, and nothing ever happened to my Mac. Combo/delta updaters, in my opinion, are for extreme cases, including those arising from connection breakdowns...

I hope this helps...

[Rod Rod]

Now if they could just get ARD Admin to work on a macintel!
http://blog.smalldog.com/article/88/running-apple-remote-desktop-on-an-intel-mac

I updated to 10.4.6 (Intel/MacBookPro) and ran a permissions repair. I was surprised as some others have been that the permission repair fixed nothing. Probably the first time I have ever seen that.
"Using special permissions" did not mean that anything was broken. I guess this "using special permissions" confusion is a shibboleth.

[amanset]

Why isn't your operating system located on the internal drive? Keeping data on an external drive makes a lot more sense than putting the operating system there.

Because its a Mini with its insanely slow internal HD.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I strongly agree with aegisdesign on this and would add that I also don't make system or application changes at all via the terminal unless a) it's sanctioned by Apple via a knowledgebase articleHere you go (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=DiskUtility/10.5/en/duh17.html).

Repairing permissions may also be recommended after updating the system or installing new software.

:)

[PCMacUser]

So, just because you don't notice something was new in a release means it doesn't exist? That seems a fair way to compare two pieces of software....NOT. Fact is, each 10.x release has major feature additions, whether you notice them or not. Equally, fact is, Windows service packs don't. They're just rollups of all their bugfixes.

Nothing religious about that. It's reality of the non-distorted kind.

Occasionally we get new features in OSX 'service packs' too like the widget management tool in 10.4.1 or Safari 1.3 in 10.3.9. But I guess since you don't use those you've probably not noticed.
When I referred to what I didn't notice, I was responsding to the earlier post that said 'I didn't notice many differences in XP Service Packs'. But there were literally hundreds of updates and bug fixes. You're EXACTLY right - just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

These are just the FIXES that appeared in SP2....
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113/en-us

But a startling similarity between XP Service Packs and the recent 10.4.x updates is they tend to break a lot of computers! Quality control isn't the same as it apparently used to be at Apple.

[Platform]

Works great for....have not really seen any difference so far...but it works ;) :p

[bousozoku]

Because its a Mini with its insanely slow internal HD.

It's no slower than the drive on my PowerBook. So, basically, you've done something not recommended and you're angry at Apple because it doesn't work.

[Gordy]

Well I've installed it on my macbook pro and its cause loads of problems.

My wireless setup was working fine before now it seems to drop to below full signal from time to time despite being 10cm from the router!

Secondly it has completely screwed up windows sharing on my mbp. It simply doesnt find my pc on the network unless I manually add it. Even when it does add a directory shared on my pc file transfers take forever (Try 2mins for a 26kb file!)

Note I've done the update on my ppc mac mini and it has none of these problems!. Anyone else with these issues let me know!

[appleClone]

OS X Server on G4 desktop (dev)

So far so good, although my isync has died, still no 9500 support.

Tomorrow it will be going on a clean install of an xserver g4 as well so hopefully no other issues!

D

[Gordy]

Oh and from perfect internet connection via my wireless connection it now is terrible. Bravo apple way to break my wireless connection...

Ping has started ...

PING www.google.com (66.249.87.99): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=250 time=124.455 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=250 time=476.337 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=250 time=132.086 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=250 time=1043.817 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=250 time=195.658 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=250 time=235.198 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=250 time=170.932 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=250 time=261.405 ms
64 bytes from 66.249.87.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=250 time=69.163 ms

--- www.google.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 10% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 69.163/301.006/1043.817/284.777 ms

[Platform]

Well after some time now, I must say that my CPU usage seems to be where it should be, at 30% with some apps running.....before I updated it was at 70% :confused:

[amanset]

It's no slower than the drive on my PowerBook. So, basically, you've done something not recommended and you're angry at Apple because it doesn't work.

Being no slower than your powerbook still doesn't make it not slow.

And where is it not recommended? Here's Apple's page describing how to do it:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58606

No mention there of it being not recommended.

[Stoffel]

Hi,

I cannot sync my Sony Ericsson K700i anymore with iSync after the update.
Bluetooth connection still works, remote control functionality, too. I
can send and receive files via bluetooth, but isync'ing fails saying
"There was an error pushing some changes to the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone."

I've resetted the phone and went through the bluetooth new device setup,
no changes, though.

Does anyone experience the same issues? This is on a pb g4 12" 1.33 GHz.

[devman]

Hi,

I cannot sync my Sony Ericsson K700i anymore with iSync after the update.
Bluetooth connection still works, remote control functionality, too. I
can send and receive files via bluetooth, but isync'ing fails saying
"There was an error pushing some changes to the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone."

I've resetted the phone and went through the bluetooth new device setup,
no changes, though.

Does anyone experience the same issues? This is on a pb g4 12" 1.33 GHz.

You're not alone. I have the same problem. It will copy from the phone to my Mac but not the other way. Only with iSync. File exchange works fine.

[Gordy]

Hi,

I cannot sync my Sony Ericsson K700i anymore with iSync after the update.
Bluetooth connection still works, remote control functionality, too. I
can send and receive files via bluetooth, but isync'ing fails saying
"There was an error pushing some changes to the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone."

I've resetted the phone and went through the bluetooth new device setup,
no changes, though.

Does anyone experience the same issues? This is on a pb g4 12" 1.33 GHz.


My k750i has synced fine its a similiar model so yours should work , maybe they swapped the two round as you had to manually edit the address book files to make it work with the k750i before??


On my above issues they have gone away despite me doing nothing so god only knows what was happenning.

[Detlev]

I guess this "using special permissions" confusion is a shibboleth.
OK, I had to look it up. I vote it as Word of the Day.

[gavd]

You're not alone. I have the same problem. It will copy from the phone to my Mac but not the other way. Only with iSync. File exchange works fine.

Someone (can't remember who) mentioned something about iSync on the first page of this thread. Not sure if it's the problem you're having or not but there's a link to some Apple documentation in the post.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

iSync 2.2: Read before updating to Mac OS X 10.4.6 or later, or before first sync (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303419)

[aswitcher]

Sorry but NO, it's not a premature release; it is working perfectly for most Mac users around. .


But several people are reporting complete failure requiring a reinstall on a variety of machines... That to me says buggy build.

[Applespider]

iSync 2.2: Read before updating to Mac OS X 10.4.6 or later, or before first sync (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303419)

Yup... I posted that way back on page 1 in an effort to warn people.

Apple do suggest that if you do update before your final synch that you should remove the device from iSync and then set it up again

[aegisdesign]

Updated my 1.33 Ghz iBook a few minutes ago and all seems well. Is it me or do most of the people experiencing problems running older systems?

Dunno. It installed with no problems on my 500Mhz G3 iBook too.

[bbyrdhouse]

Wow! This is the first time I have ever had any kind of problem with an update. I am usually they type of person that looks forward to updates and installs them with drooling eagerness. But I must say that in this instance I have had a couple of weird things happen that began after I updated.

1. My Omniweb Browser hangs up extremely bad. So bad that it is currently unusable

2. My keyboard backlight is all goofed up. On, off, on, off, on......off, on, off.

3. Pages has crashed multiple times since yesterday. I have been using Pages for over a year now and can not remember it ever crashing in that time. But since yesterday at least 7,8 times.

(I have not done any kind of repair disk permissions because alot of folks say that it doesnt really do anything, but I will try anyway.)

4. Also, Rapidweaver 3.2.1 seems to be crashing an aweful lot since yesterday. It always was prone to crash, but it seems more frequent now.

Oh well, I have called Apple Tech support because now my Powerbook G4 only recognizes 1 of my 2 sticks of ram (512 each). And they are having me send it in for repair. (This is the second time this has happened to me the last time was with 10.3.9 update.
Maybe they will get it all lined out.:rolleyes:

[nmirza]

Count me in as one of the guys that had to reinstall the OS! After reinstalling Tiger, I tried to install 10.4.6 again, but still no dice. At least my Powerbook rebooted the second time around...

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

(I have not done any kind of repair disk permissions because alot of folks say that it doesnt really do anything, but I will try anyway.)Of course it does something... why else would the function even be there...? :rolleyes:

It doesn't help every problem, though, but then again it's a hassle-free and harmless thing to try first if one or more applications starts to misbehave before checking out pref files and long before any reinstalls should come into consideration...

[TheMac19]

Hi,

I cannot sync my Sony Ericsson K700i anymore with iSync after the update.
Bluetooth connection still works, remote control functionality, too. I
can send and receive files via bluetooth, but isync'ing fails saying
"There was an error pushing some changes to the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone."

I've resetted the phone and went through the bluetooth new device setup,
no changes, though.

Does anyone experience the same issues? This is on a pb g4 12" 1.33 GHz.

I'm experiencing the exact same. I'm using a 15" 1.5ghz powerbook, and the update seems to have broken syncing with my SonyEricsson k700i. I can browse the device and get files fine, i can use salling clicker without problems, but the sync dies half way in:

The phone reports: "session failed. Communication interrupted."

iSync reports: " [K700i] There was an error getting data from the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone.
Device "K700i" synchronization failed"

And the iSync Log reads:
Tuesday 4 April 2006 1:24:15 pm IST
1:24:20 pm Connecting to K700i
1:24:20 pm Device "K700i" connected
1:24:20 pm Receiving changes from "K700i".
1:24:21 pm "K700i" finished receiving changes
1:24:21 pm "K700i" Processing changes...
1:24:21 pm "K700i" engine processing complete
1:24:21 pm Applying changes to "K700i"
1:24:21 pm Error [K700i] There was an error getting data from the phone. The synchronization may have been cancelled on the phone.
1:24:21 pm Error Device "K700i" synchronization failed
Error iSync Log created Tuesday 4 April 2006 1:24:48 pm IST

First time I ever had a problem syncing - and apparently this is an issue with all k700i phones? Does anyone else have one with/without this problem?

And yes, I did follow the instructions from Apple's iSync updating page to the letter.

now I've tried just about everything... removing the phone and adding it again, resetting, basically every option iSync had to offer. I searched through iSync's help files and SE's website to no avail. I'm submitting a support note to Apple now.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Long shot, but one thing to check for those with Sony Ericsson phones that refuse to sync: If a particular contact fails to sync to your phone, make sure that its First Name, Last Name, and Email fields do not contain a Return character. Carriage Return characters are added to Address Book fields when you press the Return key. Address Book does not display these characters. The easiest way to make sure that a field does not contain one is to select the entire field and re-enter your data without pressing the Return key. You can also delete the Carriage Return by editing contact's Email field from your phone. Once you delete the Carriage Return you will see the email address.

[Platform]

More people seems to be having problems...but it just gets better for me....gone down from 1600 > 1100/1300 rpm on my CPU fan :D

[aegisdesign]

To a certain extent that's probably true. MS releases minor updates pretty regularly, but usually leave mass changes to the big releases. This can be very annoying, but it is understandable; they're really victims of their own monopoly.

They have three types of release...

Hotfixes - security and bug fixes with minimal testing released on 'Patch Tuesday' once a month. People often wait 2-3 weeks for crtical fixes.

Service Packs - Rollups of all the hotfixes to date which are more rigourously tested.

New OS Releases - new features released every 3 - 7 years. Cost - Around £250 a copy.


Apple does it differently...

Security Updates - just security fixes released fairly rapidly though not as rapidly as say Linux.

Updates - the 10.4.x update with bug fixes and occasionally new features, released every couple of months usually.

New OS Releases - new features released every 18 months. Cost - Around £80.

I prefer the way Apple does it as a user although a stable platform that never changes is preferable to many businesses who are more interested in running accounting apps than graphics apps.


For a start, they have to build and maintain an OS that runs on a ridiculous number of configurations, 99% of which Microsoft hasn't even seen. As well as that, they have to ensure they don't break an equally ridiculous number of applications. When you're hampered by this level of backwards-compatibility, it's little wonder things go very slowly.

Not really. It's up to the hardware OEMs to make sure their systems are compatible with Windows, not the other way around. The NT HAL under Windows provides a base config they have to adhere to. Above that it's device drivers and the OEMs have to adhere to specs there too.

With Vista, Microsoft have tightened the specs further such as requiring a DX9 compatible graphics card or the UI doesn't work and drops back to the old interface.

Apple on the other hand, only needs to support a handful of machines, a relatively small number of applications and the relatively small size of the user base means that they can release stuff that won't run on older versions of their own OS, without causing that many people, that much hassle.

Apple has MORE support headaches than Microsoft in that Apple also writes the graphics card drivers, USB driver, network drivers...

MS doesn't have the luxury of just busting stuff at each new release; it would be disastrous for their users if they did.

And it is when it happens. NT4.0 wasn't really that hot till SP4. SP6 broke a lot of things and was quickly followed by SP6a. Back in the SQL Server 6.5 days (I was an MS server admin then) it was mandatory to install NT4.0 SP4 with it but I had some server hardware that couldn't run SP4 without breaking SCSI. I had to install SP3 and about 40 hotfixes. XP SP2 breaks a lot of things too although they literally had to break some unsafe software.

The other problem is incentive. Most Windows purchases are pre-installs. So from MS' point of view there is little need to rush out an OS, because they've pretty much tied up the market anyway. There's no real difference (money-wise) from a machine pre-installed with XP and a machine installed with Vista.

That I do agree with. Businesses still make up most of Microsoft's buyers and they'll buy whatever is on the latest PC from Dell or preferably something they've had for years that they can support.

Looking back it's also pretty difficult to spot any real difference in featureset between Windows95 to 2000 that most people would care about. XP only added more wizards and a horrible UI. Vista is as big a change as OSX 10.1 to OSX 10.4 IMHO but it should have been as big a change as between OS9 and OSX 10.5 with the 6+ years of development they've had. I don't really care what they add as long as they fix Internet Explorer and backport it to XP.

[Stella]

Hi,

I now know of six people who have had serious upgrade issues with this
update.

The symptoms in all cases are the upgrade process failing, putting the
installer in the Trash and leaving computer unable to execute any
process without a CPU exception. Subsequent reboots then fail.

The only solution is to reinstall MacOS 10.4 and then download the patches
~220Mb worth to get you back to where you were.

I suspect that Apple may pull this update and have a new one soon..

Cheers, Ed.

I managed to fix mine without re-installing from scratch, fortunately - since I do not have time to mess around. The backup I had was only a 1 week or so old, but a lot had changed.

From my backup I copied
/System /usr/ /sbin /mach

The machine then booted up, re-applied 10.4.6. Didn't reboot.

/System/InstallOnStartup - ran the script '1' in scripts subdirectory.

Deleted /System/InstallOnStartup

Rebooted - fortunately it worked.. so far no strange side affects. But of course, you'll need a backup of your hard disc.

First time ever that an update has failed for me.

The reason for boot up failure was Error 88 - couldn't load the kernel
Then, it couldn't find one of the kernel updates ( i think ) to install during boot up - despite the file being where it expects! If it couldn't update then it couldn't use the new file.. boom.

[aegisdesign]

Of course it does something... why else would the function even be there...? :rolleyes:

It doesn't help every problem, though, but then again it's a hassle-free and harmless thing to try first if one or more applications starts to misbehave before checking out pref files and long before any reinstalls should come into consideration...

It's NOT harmless.

What 'Repair Permissions' does is check the package receipts and bom logs from software that you've installed and checks that the unix file permissions match the original. If they've changed, it puts them back to the original.

However, if you've deliberately changed the permissions for whatever reason, those changes will be overwritten and reset.

99.9% of the time, permissions never change of course but Apple used to show notices saying they were using 'Special permissions' which confused the easily confusable. :(

[cmcconkey]

Well I have installed 10.4.6 on my laptop and I have noticed that my bluetooth is no longer available, has anyone else noticed this.


Christopher

[BRLawyer]

It's NOT harmless.

What 'Repair Permissions' does is check the package receipts and bom logs from software that you've installed and checks that the unix file permissions match the original. If they've changed, it puts them back to the original.

However, if you've deliberately changed the permissions for whatever reason, those changes will be overwritten and reset.

99.9% of the time, permissions never change of course but Apple used to show notices saying they were using 'Special permissions' which confused the easily confusable. :(

Well, but it is obvious that those who deliberately change permissions KNOW what they're doing and why, including the fact that "repair permissions" resets custom settings...

For 99,99% of Mac users, who would NEVER mess with permissions at all, Disk Utility IS, at least, totally harmless and, in some cases, beneficial to a Mac's reliability.

[matthewreid]

I'll chime in...mine had the update crash as well.

Now, all I have is the apple logo and the turning thing at the startup...it never boots...

DAMN YOU APPLE!

[aegisdesign]

3) The Cagefighter haxie for Mail (to use Panther-style buttons) is gone for now; the update kills it (not that I would care much anyway);


I just reran it. Re-enable the buttons in CageFighter then Disable them again. Horrible buttons are gone again.

4) Notwithstanding what other users say about the "repair permissions myth", please DO quit all apps and DO repair permissions before running the update.

The risk of facing problems gets much lower, and the hassle you have is irrelevant even if "repair permissions" are not that necessary anymore;


It really doesn't matter. The apps you're running will either be shutdown during the update or when you reboot they'll be replaced. Most of the heavy lifting in Software Update is done on reboot.

5) I have always used the Software Update mode with the routines above, and nothing ever happened to my Mac. Combo/delta updaters, in my opinion, are for extreme cases, including those arising from connection breakdowns...


Yes, if you've a poor connection then downloading the update prior to updating is a good idea. Be sure you've lots of space for the update too.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

It's NOT harmless.

What 'Repair Permissions' does is check the package receipts and bom logs from software that you've installed and checks that the unix file permissions match the original. If they've changed, it puts them back to the original.

However, if you've deliberately changed the permissions for whatever reason, those changes will be overwritten and reset.

99.9% of the time, permissions never change of course but Apple used to show notices saying they were using 'Special permissions' which confused the easily confusable. :(
I know perfectly well how permissions work... :rolleyes:

And if you've changed permissions on any of the system files and/or Applications with recipes then there's a very good chance that you're doing something wrong. Maybe you rather should make yourself a normal user and keep the admin account for administration...?

And the warnings, that apparently confused many users (understandingly, IMO) does, as of this update, no longer appear. :)

[Photorun]

The thread reminds me of a truism of the internet/forums - you'll hear the negative people complain, whine, b**** and moan, ad nauseam... but you won't hear the good or in some cases when it just works.

For hundreds MR members it just worked. No complaints. Then there's four or five, and in a couple cases people that clearly did not read the tech notes first (you get what deserve) but overall to clarify for anyone coming here reading this thread thinking the update will cause the world to implode under it's own weight and dogs will fornicate with cats and from now on everything will taste like postage stamps... it won't. This update is perfectly fine, check to see the tech notes effect you, maybe manually shut down all apps first to be safe and unplug squirrelly devices, install, and be happy.

[TheMac19]

Just noticed on a whim that somehow after this update my powerbook lacks the backlit keyboard!!!! if I press f8, f9, or f10 - the normal commands, it just shows the translucent box with a circle with a slash through it. And if I cover my speaker grills, or put the powerbook in a dark room - no light from the keys at all...

[Tech]

Photorun, it is too early to tell if it is working perfectly. The people who are complaining are those who ran into problems right away.

[DamonNoisette]

Hi,

I now know of six people who have had serious upgrade issues with this
update...



Yep. Our fully-functioning PowerBook G4 1.67 (last G4 PB, "Last of the Mohicans") is basically kaput after attempting to install 10.4.6.

Disk Utility can't see the hard drive. The installer can't see the hard drive.

I can run programs, but I was kind of hoping that we'd have some Nikon D200 NEF (RAW) file support through Aperture since the wife is a pro photographer and her backup camera is the D200...

Instead it looks like we'll have to do a fresh install, unless Apple Support can come up with something less drastic. That means reinstalling ALL of the crap I've got on there: Adobe CS, Aperture, Poker Academy Pro... d'oh.

(Bastards!)

[gauchogolfer]

Just noticed on a whim that somehow after this update my powerbook lacks the backlit keyboard!!!! if I press f8, f9, or f10 - the normal commands, it just shows the translucent box with a circle with a slash through it. And if I cover my speaker grills, or put the powerbook in a dark room - no light from the keys at all...

Mine's OK, although it took a little longer to kick in the first time than normal. It seems to be back to its usual state now.

I've another problem after this update.
Safari seems to be taking up much more CPU space than normal, sometimes up to 90% while scrolling and typing. It gets almost unusable at some points. Anyone have this problem and/or solution?

Cheers

[zoikers]

This is the first time that I have ever had any issues with an update on my 3 year old Powerbook. After the update and re-boot I saw nothing on the screen, just black. I heard the start up chime. At first I did not even think about the update being an issue. I thought for certain that the 17"er had maybe seen its last day from over-usage :).

I rebooted a couple more times and the same deal. Eventually I just held down the power button until it made an annoying sound. I then re-started it again and after a little bit of time life had been breathed into my aluminum friend. If all else fails you may want to try my resuscitation technique.

[TheMac19]

I ran the update from Software Update, and have run into a couple minor issues so far. (no k700i syncing, no keyboard backlight). I've read elsewhere that it might be a good idea to download the combo update directly from apple's site, and run that as well. (effectively on top of my previous 10.4.6 update.)

Is this indeed advisable, or is this liable to make things even worse?

[Malcster]

All good on a 1.83 MBP, Airport has definately improved.

[DamonNoisette]

What about people who read the notes, repaired permissions, and did everything correctly and it still hosed their machine -- like me? Should we retreat to a cave and cry in silence, so we don't annoy the people who had an Ebert & Roeper upgrade experience:

"Two Thumbs Way Up!" - MacUpgradeBoy, Apple Insider
"Riveting" -- JerkMcGee, CBS-TV

As a creative pro user, this update had the long-awaited Nikon D200 NEF RAW support we needed for our backup camera rig. The installer worked fine on our G5, but absolutely killed our PowerBook. Luckily we use our PB mainly for location shoots and not mission-critical items, but it's a little scary nonetheless...

The thread reminds me of a truism of the internet/forums - you'll hear the negative people complain, whine, b**** and moan, ad nauseam... but you won't hear the good or in some cases when it just works.

For hundreds MR members it just worked. No complaints. Then there's four or five, and in a couple cases people that clearly did not read the tech notes first (you get what deserve) but overall to clarify for anyone coming here reading this thread thinking the update will cause the world to implode under it's own weight and dogs will fornicate with cats and from now on everything will taste like postage stamps... it won't. This update is perfectly fine, check to see the tech notes effect you, maybe manually shut down all apps first to be safe and unplug squirrelly devices, install, and be happy.

[kirk26]

Here's your 30th Anniversary present. Now be quiet.

[Paul O'Keefe]

I hope this fixes the driver issue with my large format HP deskjet 9650 printer. Since tiger it became a $350 paperweight.

[Multimedia]

ssorry I didn't go thorugh the whole thread...but is it just me or Safari is flying after the update:DI think so too. 10.4.6 Safari 2.0.3 (417.9.2) Is Much Faster. Is that a new version of Safari? someone who is still on 10.4.5?

Thanks.

[rmessnerjr]

Those of us with OCD... here are my stats on the install.
PowerMac G5 1.6 GHz, 1 GB mem, 300 GB HD
07:02:00 - opened Software Update and got the iPod and 10.4.6 (53 MB) items
07:02:16 - clicked the Install button and Download started
07:04:03 - Install started
07:05:40 - Install done (both packages)
07:06:16 - System restarts itself
07:07:20 - System "bong"
07:07:50 - Grey Apple
07:09:13 - Second system "bong"
07:09:30 - Second Grey Apple
07:10:30 - Login dialog
07:12:29 - Desktop available
07:21:30 - I finish typing this.

[j-a-x]

I have installed the update and no problems here. THey did not fix the finder resize columns in list view cursor bug though.

[sunfast]

I'm really sorry to hear about all the problems people have been having with the update. Hope you all get fixed asap.

As for me - I installed before I read this and it's fine (fingers crossed I haven't missed anything). Probably wouldn't have updated had I read all of this though

[Master Atrus]

I've been reading MacRumors forever now and decided to post my first reply ... I installed the update on my 1 GHz PowerBook G4 and everything works just the same as it did before. I can't notice any change at all actually ... my question is, has anyone been able to get the new Cisco VPN built into the OS to work without using the VPN client?

Atrus

[Multimedia]

Hi,

I now know of six people who have had serious upgrade issues with this
update.

The symptoms in all cases are the upgrade process failing, putting the
installer in the Trash and leaving computer unable to execute any
process without a CPU exception. Subsequent reboots then fail.

The only solution is to reinstall MacOS 10.4 and then download the patches
~220Mb worth to get you back to where you were.

I suspect that Apple may pull this update and have a new one soon..

Cheers, Ed.I wonder exactly HOW those disaster updates were executed. I've noticed some here think it's just fine to run an incremental updater while continuing to run a bunch of applications AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder if they had quit everything and run the Combo updater if then their update would have failed. I wonder how much free disk space they had on their system volume. I had totally smooth updates on both a Quad and an old 1.25 GHz PB G4 using the Combo from here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

While I am a little concerned, I am more inclined to attribute these disasters to operator error rather than to Apple. My Quad has never run better. I love this update.

Would all who had disacsters please answer the above questions. Thank you in advance. I hope no one is going to get mad at me for positing this theory. :)

[mileslong]

so far the only negative things i have noticed are that my backlighting on my powerbook is gone as are my panther mail iconss that i had installed...:confused:

[milo]

Just because they don't "make you do that" doen't mean you don't need to to make sure you don't run into problems like Eddyg had. And just because you never had a problem not doing it doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. You are darned lucky aegisdesign. I would never run an update while other applications are still running and without running repair permissions first and with only the Combo and never the incremental updater. But that's just me. You could be right. Only Eddyg may not think so right now.


Just because you had a problem not doing it doesn't mean that it caused the problem. Let's not confuse cause and effect here, is there any real proof that all the voodo actually makes upgrades work better? I've always waved a dead chicken over my computer during upgrades and never had a problem, I guess everyone should do that since it obviously helps. And after all, it can't hurt right?


Sadly, it looks like this doesn't fix the crappy airport issue on my mini.

[Multimedia]

Just noticed on a whim that somehow after this update my powerbook lacks the backlit keyboard!!!! if I press f8, f9, or f10 - the normal commands, it just shows the translucent box with a circle with a slash through it. And if I cover my speaker grills, or put the powerbook in a dark room - no light from the keys at all...My 1.25 GHz PB G4 Keyboard Backlight Still Works. Go figure. Sure are a lot of weird isolated "bugs" showing up after this update. Have to thank God none of them seem to have attacked mine. ;) :D :eek: :) :confused:

[mongoos150]

Eh...I won't be installing this update.:(

[bousozoku]

One thing I noticed briefly while reading the details of this update was a task that seemed to have something to do with anti-virus technology. I haven't seen it since that point.

Did anyone else see something similar?

[joecool85]

Well, I just installed it on my 867mhz 12" G4 PB with no issues. I did backup my stuff first though just in case. All 640mb of RAM is showing up btw, I know people had issues with that.

[Queso]

One thing I noticed briefly while reading the details of this update was a task that seemed to have something to do with anti-virus technology. I haven't seen it since that point.

Did anyone else see something similar?

Maybe it was something to uninstall all Symantec products. How that's worth updating to :cool:

BTW, I've so far installed 10.4.6 on both my PB12 867 and my iMac G5 1.9 and no problems with either.

[deadturtle]

My 40 some odd meg install went ok.. will have to wait till I get home from work before I reboot... just in case (no sense in doing it remotely, not having it come back up and then have to wait 6 odd hours before I can poke it again). Hopefully the AFP,SMB updates will fix some of the squirrley little things that have been going on with my connections to the developer shares both here and at home.

[TheMac19]

so far the only negative things i have noticed are that my backlighting on my powerbook is gone as are my panther mail iconss that i had installed...:confused:

Yes indeed, my backlight is gone too. I bet this flakey little side effect will be noticed more and more as time goes on, as it's not something most people would use straightaway.

I just had a thought - I ran the update (both from software update and then the combo...) while having an external USB Apple Keyboard plugged in. Could this update have possibly sniffed that out and nixed my backlighting for some reason? Sounds like a crazy idea to me, but it sure is as odd problem.

I've tried unplugging the external keyboard, but that doesn't fix the problem...

[ejl10]

Installation went smoothly this morning on my Rev. B 20" G5 2.0 wireless iMac. Well, it booted and Firefox worked, anyhow. That means BT and Airport must be OK, too. I'll check it out carefully after work, before the nightly Deja-vu backup. Sorry to all those that have problems - best of luck.

[TheMac19]

I wonder exactly HOW those disaster updates were executed. I've noticed some here think it's just fine to run an incremental updater while continuing to run a bunch of applications AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder if they had quit everything and run the Combo updater if then their update would have failed. I wonder how much free disk space they had on their system volume. I had totally smooth updates on both a Quad and an old 1.25 GHz PB G4 using the Combo from here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

While I am a little concerned, I am more inclined to attribute these disasters to operator error rather than to Apple. My Quad has never run better. I love this update.

Would all who had disacsters please answer the above questions. Thank you in advance. I hope no one is going to get mad at me for positing this theory. :)

I ran the update with no other programs running. Not Mail, not Safari, nothing. I also followed all the instructions regarding iSync, and I don't have any shady software. I repaired permissions, ran maintenance scripts, and verified the disk before the update, and I backed up my entire system to an external firewire hard drive before the update. (Yes, the external HD was disconnected prior to updating.) Free disk space on my system: 35+ gigs.

Since the update I have two problems. My SonyEricsson k700i will not sync with iSync and the backlight on my powerbook's keyboard no longer works. Neither of these, my friend, are "operator error".

And to be honest, I'm not real bothered about either of them, which is why I hit these boards. To see if 1) other people are affected, or 2) everyone else is affected.

At the moment it seems that in regards to my phone - everyone with the k700i is troubled by it, and that some people have lost the backlight on their powerbooks.

That said, these forums and Apple's own discussions are the medium through which we'll get these things sorted.

[BRLawyer]

The thread reminds me of a truism of the internet/forums - you'll hear the negative people complain, whine, b**** and moan, ad nauseam... but you won't hear the good or in some cases when it just works.

For hundreds MR members it just worked. No complaints. Then there's four or five, and in a couple cases people that clearly did not read the tech notes first (you get what deserve) but overall to clarify for anyone coming here reading this thread thinking the update will cause the world to implode under it's own weight and dogs will fornicate with cats and from now on everything will taste like postage stamps... it won't. This update is perfectly fine, check to see the tech notes effect you, maybe manually shut down all apps first to be safe and unplug squirrelly devices, install, and be happy.

Ditto...the update is GREAT; no further comments needed.

[DamonNoisette]

I wonder exactly HOW those disaster updates were executed. I've noticed some here think it's just fine to run an incremental updater while continuing to run a bunch of applications AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder if they had quit everything and run the Combo updater if then their update would have failed. I wonder how much free disk space they had on their system volume. I had totally smooth updates on both a Quad and an old 1.25 GHz PB G4 using the Combo from here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

I stopped all programs and ran Software Update on our Dual 2.5 G5. Everything was fine.

I stopped all programs and ran Software Update on our 1.67 G4 PowerBook. The update failed.

To remedy the situation I tried the following


I downloaded the Combo update.
I attempted to install it -- it couldn't find a target drive
Tried to run Disk Utility -- it couldn't start... something about a background process..."
Tried to boot from Install disc -- Ended up at Open Firmware screen with %SR00: error...
Reset Open Firmware.
Tried to boot from Install disc -- Ended up at Open Firmware screen with %SR00: error...
Reset PRAM
Tried to boot from Install disc -- Ended up at Open Firmware screen with %SR00: error...
Pulled out hair.
Tried to run Disk Utility [again]-- it couldn't start... something about a background process..."
Complained to the wife
Called it an evening


I'll get on the phone with AppleCare tonight when I get home...

What a pain. :mad:

[IDX Steffan]

I installed the update from Software Update, restarted my G5 and popped out the room for a few minutes.

I came back to a roaring noise and the grey apple logo on my screen. Nothing happened. So I pressed the power button and tried starting the G5 again. The grey apple logo appears, my HD clicks a little, nothing happens, then my G5 starts roaring. Listening close up the noise is coming from my HD, although the sound is very much like when the fans are on full blast.

What has the update done to my G5?

[devman]

Yup... I posted that way back on page 1 in an effort to warn people.

Apple do suggest that if you do update before your final synch that you should remove the device from iSync and then set it up again

Yep I saw it way back on page 1, read it and followed it.

I still have the exact same problem as the person with k700i. file exchange works but iSync does not since 10.4.6.

Edit 1: Oh and I'll add my phone is an S700i.

Edit 2: And I have the keyboard backlight not working also.

[WildCowboy]

So all of you people complaining about your keyboard backlight not working...did you go into System Preferences and turn it back on? Yes, Apple updates sometimes change minor things...this one happened to turn my keyboard backlight off. It took me all of three seconds to fix it...I'll live. :rolleyes:

[gleepskip]

Because its a Mini with its insanely slow internal HD.

I have the same setup as you: Mac Mini with OS X installed on an external HD. The update was successful for me, with a couple apps running during the update. No hiccups.

[devman]

So all of you people complaining about your keyboard backlight not working...did you go into System Preferences and turn it back on? Yes, Apple updates sometimes change minor things...this one happened to turn my keyboard backlight off. It took me all of three seconds to fix it...I'll live. :rolleyes:

I'm happy for you. The pref was still on for me. Toggling on and off (which is what F8 does anyway) has no effect. F9 or F10 do not work and show the "circle with a line through it" symbol.

I've also discovered that System Profiler no longer saves its output. Run it and do a Save or Save As and no .spx or .rtf file is created. I only just found this out when trying to fill out a bug report...

[iMeowbot]

One thing I noticed briefly while reading the details of this update was a task that seemed to have something to do with anti-virus technology. I haven't seen it since that point.

Did anyone else see something similar?
OS X Server 10.4.6 includes a ClamAV update (release notes (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxserver1046.html)). Maybe that's what you saw?

[WildCowboy]

I'm happy for you. The pref was still on for me. Toggling on and off (which is what F8 does anyway) has no effect. F9 or F10 do not work and show the "circle with a line through it" symbol.

That's what they'll show if the backlight isn't activated because it's too light. Try covering your speaker grills until the backlight comes on, and then try F9/F10. Does that work?

[Doctor Q]

The thread reminds me of a truism of the internet/forums - you'll hear the negative people complain, whine, b**** and moan, ad nauseam... but you won't hear the good or in some cases when it just works...It would certainly be amusing if Apple put out a "null update", a large download that in fact did nothing at all to Mac OS. Then we'd watch as people tell us what feels different, what no longer works, and what started to work.

One reason this happens is that certain types of problems (and maybe fixes?) become apparent only after a restart, and many people restart only when installing a Mac OS X update.

[amanset]

I have the same setup as you: Mac Mini with OS X installed on an external HD. The update was successful for me, with a couple apps running during the update. No hiccups.

Cheers. I'm keeping an eye on this for a while before I decide whether to give it a go or not. Good to know that it works for someone.

I did a complete reinstall when I bought the drive, I must have done the install ten times, each time using a different approach (combo or delta, going straight to 10.4.5 or go incrementally upwards, stuff like that) and I never got it to work for anything above 10.4.3. Reading the Apple forums and MacInTouch it seems liek quite a few people have had the same issue, but not everyone, making it somewhat awkward to track down. Seeing as 10.4.3 works perfectly though I really don't think it is a hardware error.

[chaos86]

i guess these pictures will do the talking. the first is an email in the preview pane of Mail, the second is macrumors' RSS feed in safari. this crap is appearing in random places.



http://thecreativechaos.com/randomstuff/1046-1.png



http://thecreativechaos.com/randomstuff/1046-2.png

[TheMac19]

That's what they'll show if the backlight isn't activated because it's too light. Try covering your speaker grills until the backlight comes on, and then try F9/F10. Does that work?


Hmm... not for me. If I pressed F10 to turn on/up the keyboard backlight, it would turn on the keyboard backlight, regardless of the ambient light. I have never seen the ol' "circle with a line through it" until now, post update, with my backlight dead. Here's a screenshot...

[devman]

That's what they'll show if the backlight isn't activated because it's too light. Try covering your speaker grills until the backlight comes on, and then try F9/F10. Does that work?

Nope, not for me.

This is the first time I've ever had an OSX update problem (3 of them with this update). Anyway, for this backlight thing is zapping pram or pmu something to try? I've always skimmed past those messages before, but this sounds like the sort of problem where this might help. Any thoughts?

Edit: Good news (for me at least). A reboot has fixed it. Weird! I noticed over on macfixit that someone reporting a font problem also saw that fixed by a reboot. Anyway, just adding some extra info since this point release was a bit special with its two reboots instead of the usual one (and in my case 3 reboots to at least get my backlight working again).

[kretzy]

Just installed with no noticeable problems, though start-up seemed to take an age. I'm glad that they've added phones to the iSync compatibility list as I probably getting a Nokia 6280, which until now was unsupported and a bit of a put off.:)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

i guess these pictures will do the talking.After you've restarted, repaired permissions and all that usual mumbo jumbo™, take a look in your Font Book if there's not any problems with one of the fonts in Helvetica's family. Once we had similar problems, and then it was a font that had gone nuts and was substituted with a Indian font.

[chaos86]

After you've restarted, repaired permissions and all that usual mumbo jumbo™, take a look in your Font Book if there's not any problems with one of the fonts in Helvetica's family. Once we had similar problems, and then it was a font that had gone nuts and was substituted with a Indian font.

geez i hate font book. takes 5 minutes to start because I have the adobe font library... can you confirm it's the apple standard OTF helvetica family im looking for?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

can you confirm it's the apple standard OTF helvetica family im looking for?No, I cannot confirm it... but it's a place to start... ;)

And the machine we had similar problems with, i.e. my girlfriend's, also had a lot of Adobe fonts installed...

[aegisdesign]

One thing I noticed briefly while reading the details of this update was a task that seemed to have something to do with anti-virus technology. I haven't seen it since that point.

Did anyone else see something similar?

OSX Server includes both Spam Assassin and ClamAV. ClamAV got an update this time round.

[TheMac19]

Yep I saw it way back on page 1, read it and followed it.

I still have the exact same problem as the person with k700i. file exchange works but iSync does not since 10.4.6.

Edit 1: Oh and I'll add my phone is an S700i.

Edit 2: And I have the keyboard backlight not working also.

DEVMAN - you and me - we're in the same boat. i've started new threads specific to each issue, so as to help others who might not scour all the pages of this thread...

Powerbook Backlit Keyboard Issue - post 10.4.6 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2285109)

SonyEricsson k700i fails to work with iSync post 10.4.6 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2284580)

I figure having concise threads on each issue will focus answers and greatly aid all those who update in the coming week(s)

[mdriftmeyer]

My 12" PBook did the same.. No problems on my end either, so I'm happy.

And oh yeah, Safari seems faster ;)

read the release notes. That is noted and is intentional on PPC hardware.

[gleepskip]

I did a complete reinstall when I bought the drive, I must have done the install ten times, each time using a different approach (combo or delta, going straight to 10.4.5 or go incrementally upwards, stuff like that) and I never got it to work for anything above 10.4.3.

I never had trouble at all. I installed from the 10.4.0 DVD, ran Software Update and that was it. I wonder if it has anything to do with the chipset on your external drive?

I own the LaCie d2 250GB, using the Firewire 400 interface (of course). The only complaint about it is the Maxtor drive inside is loud. I can't stand hearing the drive heads moving back and forth. As soon as I'm able - and after the warranty expires - I will attempt to replace the drive with a quieter, larger one in the same LaCie enclosure.

Functionally, the drive has worked perfectly.

[CubaTBird]

installed... aim buddy list is dead.. ichat is dead in general.. the eff.............................

[aegisdesign]

i guess these pictures will do the talking. the first is an email in the preview pane of Mail, the second is macrumors' RSS feed in safari. this crap is appearing in random places.

You have a corrupt font.

Open 'Font Book'

Click on 'All Fonts' in the left column.

Command-A to select all the fonts in the middle column.

Now File->Validate Fonts

Delete the ones that are broken.

[JerryM1726]

I am glad for this update because I was worried about how long we'd be stuck with 10.4.5 which was unexpectedly quitting applications on me. That is something I hate; losing everything instantly. This seems like a stable update, and yes the double reboot freaked me too. Snappier is the word I keep reading and it fits. I have 2 macs both of which were up to date but they had different size downloads, the mini had a Java and I thought that there could not possibly be another for it, I was wrong, it also had a smaller OS update the the ibook. For what it's worth I am happy with this installment, they are both working fine.:)

[chaos86]

You have a corrupt font.

Open 'Font Book'

Click on 'All Fonts' in the left column.

Command-A to select all the fonts in the middle column.

Now File->Validate Fonts

Delete the ones that are broken.



I was actually disabling my user font folder as you posted. suddenly, the contents of my safari window jumped, as if something on it had been changed (i'm not sure what). now everything works fine! validating now.

[redAPPLE]

Do we have to have this discussion every year? :eek:

only until apple ships the powerbook g5. :cool:

[encro]

Quite a few changes in the update that aren't noted in the release notes, I debated just posting an attachement without the previous security update information but decided to post the complete delta content for completeness :)

My only issue noted since the 10.4.6 update is I cannot close Mail.app preference window via cmd-w or red gel x. I'll try to isolate later and determine whether its a plugin bundle at fault or com.apple.mail.plist thats gone wonky. I do notice that my G4 FP-iMac is running very well so its a small compromise with Mail anyway...

EDIT: Fixed :: Mail.app now closes the preferences after an update to MailTags 1.2.1

[IDX Steffan]

I installed the update from Software Update, restarted my G5 and popped out the room for a few minutes.

I came back to a roaring noise and the grey apple logo on my screen. Nothing happened. So I pressed the power button and tried starting the G5 again. The grey apple logo appears, my HD clicks a little, nothing happens, then my G5 starts roaring. Listening close up the noise is coming from my HD, although the sound is very much like when the fans are on full blast.

What has the update done to my G5?

Update: Single user mode doesn't work. I verified the disk and repaired permissions using disk utility from the Tiger install disk. Still having problems.

Help!

[seashellz]

>>Why was this out today and not Tues etc...
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10.4.6 was actually supposed to be released last week as a requirement for running Aperture 1.1-but that is delayed for a week or two- so they may have tweaked it a little bit more and released it yesterday...

[berkleeboy210]

I'm finally online from Campus w/ the MBP. 10.4.6 did the trick. thanks apple!

[Jetson]

Originally Posted by IDX Steffan
I installed the update from Software Update, restarted my G5 and popped out the room for a few minutes.

I came back to a roaring noise and the grey apple logo on my screen. Nothing happened. So I pressed the power button and tried starting the G5 again. The grey apple logo appears, my HD clicks a little, nothing happens, then my G5 starts roaring. Listening close up the noise is coming from my HD, although the sound is very much like when the fans are on full blast.

What has the update done to my G5?
The roaring sound IS the sound of your fans running at full speed. This happened the very first time I started up my 2.1 Ghz iMac G5, and it happened again with this latest update.

Nothing to worry about! :)

Let the iMac G5 do it's thing. It will reboot once on it's own - let it finish. Also it will take a while for Spotlight to complete its indexing.

I did my upgrade to 10.4.6 last night and have not seen a single problem.

[kristian21]

Anybody did the update on a MBP version W8610.
I`m asking because on my W8606 the update caused me problems. Extreme overheating and error during hardware test.

Just got it replaced with W8610 and just want to make sure it`s OK to update hopefully without problems.

Oh and bytheway my old and new MBP have the whining problem.

[bousozoku]

OSX Server includes both Spam Assassin and ClamAV. ClamAV got an update this time round.

ClamAV...thank you. Every document I'd seen since that bit had nothing. Perhaps, they'd mixed the descriptions between client and server versions.

[Eidorian]

My iMac G5 runs A LOT quieter now in 10.4.6. I'm running the same applications I was running before the update and they'd normally cause a few flare ups of the fan. Now it's nothing but sweet near silence.

[mangis]

My 12" powerbook, the latest one, was not going to sleep on command from the drop down menu, but it does not after the update. Everything else looks to be in order, too!

[zen]

On my disasestered iBook, everything was quit, nothing else was running or anything, just software update. I was running 10.4.5 fully updated with no haxies or modifiers installed. I have never had a problem with any system upgrades on this machine. Free disc space was around 18GB.

10.4.6 still 0wn3d the iBook, and I had to reinstall Tiger from the DVD then update to 10.4.5.


I wonder exactly HOW those disaster updates were executed. I've noticed some here think it's just fine to run an incremental updater while continuing to run a bunch of applications AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder if they had quit everything and run the Combo updater if then their update would have failed. I wonder how much free disk space they had on their system volume. I had totally smooth updates on both a Quad and an old 1.25 GHz PB G4 using the Combo from here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

While I am a little concerned, I am more inclined to attribute these disasters to operator error rather than to Apple. My Quad has never run better. I love this update.

Would all who had disacsters please answer the above questions. Thank you in advance. I hope no one is going to get mad at me for positing this theory. :)

[Doctor Q]

As promised, a better version of my chart showing the length of time from initial release to the incremental updates to each version of Mac OS X.

[abc123]

Disk Utility's repair permissions feature will no longer report "We are using special permissions for..." messages.
wow that only took forever.

[kretzy]

As promised, a better version of my chart showing the length of time from initial release to the incremental updates to each version of Mac OS X.

That's an excellent representation Doc! Much easier to understand rather than just working out the dates. Goes to show there's quite a pattern with OS X updates.

[abc123]

no problems here. powerbook definitely feels snappers (though i suspect the reason is because i haven't restarted since the last update that required it, not because the update has done anything amazing).

[AnthonyKinyon]

I have two Mac Minis.

1) G4 PowerPC 1.42 GHz (1 GB RAM). Had OS X 10.4.5.

2) Duo Core Intel 1.66 GHz (512 MB RAM). Had OS X 10.4.5.

Both systems worked basically flawlessly prior to upgrading to 10.4.6.

After upgrading, I expected it to be better if anything (as it usually is when doing a 10.4.x upgrade).

On my Intel machine I've seen two problems so far. 1) DVD Player: the menu navigation is extremely slow and it used to be nice and quick. DVDs still play fine once you get one going though. But the menus take like 20 seconds to change to another screen when you click things on them.

Have not tested that on the PowerPC Mac Mini yet since upgrading.

On the Intel machine, also noticed the mouse seems slower and a little non-responsive compared to how it was before.

Besides this most things seem to be OK. The DVD issue is really annoying though. Can some other Intel Mac Mini owners test it out and see how it is for them and let me know please?

Had Finder non responsive on the PowerPC once after the update but seems OK now.

My e-mail: AnthonyKinyon @ safe-mail.net

[seigel]

Anyone see any problems with two finger scrolling? I seem to get intermittent problems when two finger scrolling with safari.

I haven't seen my backlight in a while yet...

Cheers
James.

PB 17" 1.67 HiRes

[dr_lha]

On my Intel machine I've seen two problems so far. 1) DVD Player: the menu navigation is extremely slow and it used to be nice and quick. DVDs still play fine once you get one going though. But the menus take like 20 seconds to change to another screen when you click things on them.

Besides this most things seem to be OK. The DVD issue is really annoying though. Can some other Intel Mac Mini owners test it out and see how it is for them and let me know please?
Just tried the DVD on my Mini Core Solo (10.4.6). No problems.

[AnthonyKinyon]

Just tried the DVD on my Mini Core Solo (10.4.6). No problems.


Thanks for testing this. I reported the problem to Apple via their website. However, I think I will try reinstalling from the Combo Updater manually and see if it helps. I did try doing Disk Utility -> Repair Permissions before I posted here.

[JonD25]

Just so people know, I updated yesterday, and I haven't had one keyboard problem at all yet. I usually would have had to unplug and plug it back in at least once in a day, but so far so good. Looks like Apple may have finally fixed the problem...

[AnthonyKinyon]

I used a program called UltimateTask ( http://mac.majorgeeks.com/download5462.html ) and it seems to have helped my mouse problem substantially. Also the DVD menus seem better although still slower than 10.4.5 was - but not by too much - major improvement from how it was before running UltimateTask (I cleared EVERYTHING it offers and did the reboot).

By the way, that site is really cool and has lots of good Mac downloads (the http://mac.majorgeeks.com site). I am in no way affiliated with them and this isn't intended as spam, but I think other Mac users would really like the site. It's a lot like Versiontracker.com or MacUpdate.com etc.

Just some feedback and an update.

Things seem better in 10.4.6 than they were though for sure. I found 10.4.5 to be the most stable since 10.4.x came out until now - we'll see how 10.4.6 holds up after some time and a couple patches here and there.

[Carl Spackler]

anyone else using final cut pro and magic bullet having trouble opening the Look Suite plugin?

[drift1492]

FOR ALL THE TREO 650 USERS:

I didnt feel like following the instructions that apple gave for cell phone users to follow prior to upgrading. (Relatively new phone with not much data to sync).

Anyway, I did the upgrade and have absolutely no problems syncing my Treo with my 12 Pb.

Good luck.

[Platform]

Now we know what it was for...not just better performance and silence but Boot Camp :D

[michaeljs]

For those of you desperate to get your 6230 working with isync 2.2, I ran a little test today and my theory is if it doesn't work you (like me) have a very early version 6230/6230i. I have pretty much one of the first batch to come from Orange UK (s/w version 3.17) and it doesn't work on either of my machines.

Am going to try and get an upgrade tomorrow so shall see what happens.

[mongoos150]

only until apple ships the powerbook g5. :cool:
UGHHHHHHHHH ENOUGH.

Also - sounds like the update is great for Intel Macs. Nice.

[nxent]

this update ********d my powerbook up. applications take forever to start up now. i get lags with safari, using expose and pretty much anything else using the graphics processor.
---------------------------------------
now the damned thing won't even startup. recommendations?

[nxent]

I wonder exactly HOW those disaster updates were executed. I've noticed some here think it's just fine to run an incremental updater while continuing to run a bunch of applications AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder if they had quit everything and run the Combo updater if then their update would have failed. I wonder how much free disk space they had on their system volume. I had totally smooth updates on both a Quad and an old 1.25 GHz PB G4 using the Combo from here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

While I am a little concerned, I am more inclined to attribute these disasters to operator error rather than to Apple. My Quad has never run better. I love this update.

Would all who had disacsters please answer the above questions. Thank you in advance. I hope no one is going to get mad at me for positing this theory. :)

it's quite alright. it's actually quite simple. before the update, everything was fine. after the update, my powerbook doesn't work. it doesn't matter what programs are runnning at the time. the installers are fairly fool proof. my G5's runs fine, took it like a champ. the powerbook on the other hand has serious issues. immediately after the update, it ran slow as hell. and now, it doesn't want to start up.

[mikes63737]

I get an "unexpected error has occurred".

Someone posted a message saying they had the same thing - something to do with Airport... but how did they fix it?

You probably fixed it already, but I had that problem (that was my post) and I rebooted, tried to install the package that was in the trash (software update put it there) and it wouldn't let me. I checked About this Mac and it said it was already installed. :confused:

Those of you who haven't installed it yet - DON'T!!!!! It ********d up Disk Utility and it won't mount disk images (at least on my computer). I did an archive and install and downloaded the 10.4.5 updater. I'll wait for 10.4.7.

[Queso]

this update ********d my powerbook up. applications take forever to start up now. i get lags with safari, using expose and pretty much anything else using the graphics processor.
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now the damned thing won't even startup. recommendations?

Sounds like you might have prebinding errors. Try booting into single user mode (apple key + s at startup) then run an fsck -y first to repair any disk errors and hopefully get the thing to boot up. If you can then get to a terminal try running the following command and see whether it helps

update_prebinding -root -force

[number09]

I administer around 120 OS X clients, and was testing the 10.4.6 (from 10.4.5 using Software Update) update on my work iMac (G5 1.8GHz, 512MB).

It hosed it. Dead.

Same errors as other people noted: installation didn't complete, installation pkg went into the Trash, wouldn't execute if you took it out of the trash. Rebooted the machine, and got the white background, grey Apple logo & infinitely spinning pinwheel. Also, it held my fans on full blast. I gave up waiting after 30 minutes... booted into single user mode, and had the "/sbin/launchd errno 88"

I ran the update with other applications running, and didn't fix permissions before the update either. Because I'm not crazy like some of you seem... :p </flamewar> in the end, I re-installed 10.4.0 off DVD with the Archive option -- which, luckily, worked as I have tons of free space.

Guess I'm off to discussions.info.apple.com to whine...

[Links]

From MacJournals.com a report about an error in the Delta or "patch" update for 10.4.6:

"We’ve seen reports of applications that run fine under 10.4.5 but crash under 10.4.6 with message to the effect that “vecLib. framework is missing.” Our attempts to pin this down have not succeeded."

And from Apple's "PerfOptimization-dev mailing list"

"I do not have an authoritative answer yet, but it seems there may have been
an error in packaging the update. The solution is apparently to download
one of the "Combo" updates from http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ and
install that.

-- edp (Eric Postpischil)
http://edp.org
Senior Vector and Numerics Engineer, Apple Computer"

All this brought to light at MacCentral today.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/18/osx1046analysis/index.php

[ingenious]

Sounds like you might have prebinding errors. Try booting into single user mode (apple key + s at startup) then run an fsck -y first to repair any disk errors and hopefully get the thing to boot up. If you can then get to a terminal try running the following command and see whether it helps

update_prebinding -root -force


Any other way to update prebinding? I got

"dyld: warning DYLD_ROOT_PATH not used because it contains a non-absolute path
dyld: warning DYLD_ROOT_PATH not used because it contains a non-absolute path
dyld: warning DYLD_ROOT_PATH not used because it contains a non-absolute path"

and
"update_prebinding: error: can't create temp image"

Help?

I'm just having some weird glitches. I don't know if it's specifically after the install, but this might help.

[Multimedia]

From MacJournals.com a report about an error in the Delta or "patch" update for 10.4.6:

"We’ve seen reports of applications that run fine under 10.4.5 but crash under 10.4.6 with message to the effect that “vecLib. framework is missing.” Our attempts to pin this down have not succeeded."

And from Apple's "PerfOptimization-dev mailing list"

"I do not have an authoritative answer yet, but it seems there may have been
an error in packaging the update. The solution is apparently to download
one of the "Combo" updates from http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ and
install that.

-- edp (Eric Postpischil)
http://edp.org
Senior Vector and Numerics Engineer, Apple Computer"

All this brought to light at MacCentral today.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/18/osx1046analysis/index.phpRULE: Always Install Updates From The Combo Updater. This is not the first time that an incremental updater has caused problems. It is a good rule to never update from Software Update... and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS download the Combo Updater and install from that disc image. This always results in a cleaner more accurate update than the incremental updates found in Software Update... :)

Your fix is to download the 10.4.6 Combo Updater and run that on your broken 10.4.6. Should fix all your glitch problems.

[Envision]

I have the same problem and was hopeing someone has been able to lick this problem.
thanks


Just installed the 10.4.6 update. After the 2 reboots others have mentioned I repaired permissions and rebooted again.

Mail will not load. After a long period of spinning beachball, I get the error:

Mail cannot update your mailboxes because your home directory is full.

You must free us some space in your home directory folder before using Mail. Delete unneeded documents or move documents to another volume.

I have 10 gig free on the drive.

Also, my iPod will not update since 10.4.6. iTunes loads then, after another long period of spinning beachball, I get the error:

The iPod "Video iPod"cannot be updated. The disk could not be read from or written to.

Other areas of the OS now feature extended spinning beachball action too.

Any suggestions?

Chris.

[gauchogolfer]

I have the same problem and was hopeing someone has been able to lick this problem.
thanks

Try updating to 10.4.7, the most recent OS version?