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Ugg
Apr 6, 2006, 08:02 PM
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060407/ap_on_go_co/immigration)

Officials described a complex series of provisions:

• Illegal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years could receive legal status after meeting several conditions, including payment of a $2,000 fines and any back taxes, clearing a background check and learning English. After six more years, they could apply for citizenship without having to leave the United States.

• Illegal immigrants in the country for between two and five years could obtain a temporary work visa after reporting to a border point of entry. Aides referred to this as "touch base and return," since people covered would know in advance they would be readmitted to the United States.

• Officials said it could take as long as 13 to 14 years for some illegal immigrants to gain citizenship. It part, that stems from an annual limit of 450,000 on green cards, which confer legal permanent residency and are a precursor to citizenship status.

• Illegal immigrants in the United States for less than two years would be required to leave the country and apply for re-entry alongside anyone else seeking to emigrate.

Separately, the legislation provides a new program for 1.5 million temporary agriculture industry workers over five years.

It also includes provisions for employers to verify the legal status of workers they hire, but it was not clear what sanctions, if any, would apply to violators.

To secure the border, the bill calls for a virtual fence — as opposed to the literal barrier contained in House legislation — consisting of surveillance cameras, sensors and other monitoring equipment along the long, porous border with Mexico.

Like all compromises, it won't please everyone but it seems workable.

The 2,000 fine would bring in about $14-20 billion. While it would certainly cover the cost of processing the applications, it seems an undue burden on those who are mostly making minimum wage.

I'm not sure what the point is of forcing them to return to a border check station? It seems pointless and likely to be just an additional expense to those who can afford it least.

The agriculture provision seems like a good thing, but as always the devil is in the details.



zimv20
Apr 6, 2006, 08:16 PM
hm, interesting. perhaps my ex-girlfriend is going to get her citizenship after all...

btw, ugg, nice work on the subject :-)

Thanatoast
Apr 7, 2006, 11:58 AM
I don't see the point of the differing length-of-stay provisions. Wouldn't that just encourage those who have been here for less than two years to stay off the books for another three years? I liked the original bill better, but I suppose you've got to appease the nutjobs.

Lyle
Apr 7, 2006, 12:38 PM
Umm, not (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/07/immigration.ap/index.html):
The Senate sidetracked sweeping immigration legislation Friday amid partisan recriminations, leaving in doubt prospects for passage of a measure that offered the hope of citizenship to millions of men, women and children living in the United States illegally.

The bill gained only 38 votes on a key procedural test, far short of the 60 needed to advance.

The vote marked a turnabout from Thursday, when the Senate's two leaders had both hailed a last-minute compromise as a breakthrough in the campaign to enact the most far-reaching changes in immigration law in two decades.

But Republicans soon accused Democrats of trying to squelch their amendments, while Democrats accused the GOP of trying to kill their own bill by filibuster.Blah, blah, blah.

Ugg
Apr 7, 2006, 02:06 PM
Umm, not (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/07/immigration.ap/index.html):
Blah, blah, blah.


Yeah, what a mess. I don't think it was the best possible compromise, but it was workable. Now, they're all in for a real messy time. The issue is not going to go away and any more stringent approach is just going to fan the flames.

jessica.
Apr 7, 2006, 02:25 PM
I think it's better than deportation. My other half is an immigrant from England. He had a harder time gaining status than another person we know who walked here from Mexico. When our buddy got here he got a job in about 2 weeks. It took 4 years and two lawyers to get a job on our end. I'm sorry, but I feel this is fair. They work here, don't pay taxes, and somehow expect that it's ok.
My father is a PO in juvenile hall and over 70% of his kids are illegal. They've murdered, robbed, sold drugs to other kids, hurt their parents, the list goes on and on. So I'm sorry if I sound like I don't care about their woes, but seriously, if they truly want to be in America then it's high time they pay their dues. I think this is a way better solution than kicking them out. It's their land too...but like citizens who work every day and pay taxes, they too should have to pay.

Thanatoast
Apr 7, 2006, 09:49 PM
If it was harder for your other half to get papers than it was for the guy who walked over the border, wouldn't that point to the legalization process being too cumbersome, rather than the walking process being too easy?

I just don't understand where all this xenophobia is coming from. If people wanna come here to get better jobs (and they're certainly not here for the free healtcare :p ) why don't we let 'em? If there's somebody out there willing to work, why not let them work?

Are there bad apples? Sure there are, just as in any population. Shoot, if we're gonna get sanctimonious about criminals in society, the US locks up a greater percentage of it's population than any country on the planet.