Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Release 4 [Archive]

MacRumors

Apr 18, 2006, 06:17 PM

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Now in Software Update:
Java 2 Standard Edition (J2SE) 5.0 Release 4 delivers improved reliability and compatibility for Java 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 on Mac OS X v10.4.5 and later. This release includes J2SE version 1.5.0_06. With this update J2SE 5.0 becomes the preferred Java version, superseding Java 1.4.2.
Additional information can be found in the Apple Knowledge Base (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302983).

Java-based applications will run with J2SE 5.0 unless they specifically request Java 1.4.2. To change the default back to version 1.4.2 on a system-wide basis, see the instructions here (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303526).

The update can be downloaded via Software Update or directly for Intel (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/j2se50release4intel.html) or PPC (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/j2se50release4ppc.html) systems.

Doctor Q

Apr 18, 2006, 06:19 PM

No restart is required.

Please post if you are aware of specific Java-based applications or applets that require Java 1.4.2.

Bern

Apr 18, 2006, 06:36 PM

Applied the update no problems on my 12" Powerbook.

dejo

Apr 18, 2006, 06:48 PM

Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Release 4?

Can we get anymore numbers in there? ;)

bousozoku

Apr 18, 2006, 06:56 PM

The default metal look-and-feel looks much, much different.

freiheit

Apr 18, 2006, 07:25 PM

Anyone using NeoOffice tried this yet? I know NeoOffice was just updated in the past few months to support Java 1.4 (instead of 1.3); does it run OK with Java 1.5(.0_06-3579;24!3#9$qrp, etc, etc :)).

081440

Apr 18, 2006, 07:45 PM

Why are the file sizes so different for Intel vs PPC? :confused:

Intel - 80MB
PPC - 53MB

Josh396

Apr 18, 2006, 07:52 PM

Why are the file sizes so different for Intel vs PPC? :confused:

Intel - 80MB
PPC - 53MB
My Intel version is 44.4 MB. I'm on an 2 Ghz iMac.

thejadedmonkey

Apr 18, 2006, 07:56 PM

What ever happened to the good ol days when an update meant it came on a floppy disk and there was only one version, all versions of that one version were the same size, and I was sane?
*sigh*...

bbyrdhouse

Apr 18, 2006, 08:03 PM

39.3 Mb's for me on my PowerBook G4.
No probs so far.

Doctor Q

Apr 18, 2006, 08:08 PM

What ever happened to the good ol days when an update meant it came on a floppy disk and there was only one version, all versions of that one version were the same size, and I was sane?
*sigh*...They still do that, except that the floppy disks have to be 1.7 miles across, which makes them hard to ship. And reliability is reduced due to the slight curvature of the earth over that distance.

In the case of this Java update, however, it's helpful of Apple to let you download three ways, one download for Intel, one download for PPC, or let Software Update pick the right one for you. Nobody should have to download a huge "universal" update when they only need part of it.

Electro Funk

Apr 18, 2006, 08:08 PM

My Intel version is 44.4 MB. I'm on an 2 Ghz iMac.

Hmmm.. so was mine, and my ppc version for the lappy was only 39.3mb

ppnkg

Apr 18, 2006, 08:15 PM

39.3MB on my imac G5. I wonder how this works with neooffice (which used to be rather slow)

portent

Apr 18, 2006, 09:03 PM

Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Release 4?

Can we get anymore numbers in there? ;)
Yes, actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_programming_language#Version_history

Technically, this is Java 1.2.5r4

Freg3000

Apr 18, 2006, 09:27 PM

What about Dr. Java (http://drjava.sourceforge.net/)? Is it ok still? I need it for my computer science class.

plinden

Apr 18, 2006, 09:31 PM

Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Release 4?

Can we get anymore numbers in there?

Yes, actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_programming_language#Version_history

Technically, this is Java 1.2.5r4
And it's also known as JDK 1.5.0_06

Verto

Apr 18, 2006, 10:59 PM

I downloaded the update, and I must say I've noticed Safari is acting a little snappier now.

Foxglove9

Apr 18, 2006, 11:44 PM

Downloaded it. 39.3 MB on my Powermac G5.

So far everythings good. Safari actually does seem to be a little quicker on some usually slow-to-load Myspace pages, but maybe I caught the "it feels snappy" syndrome instead. :rolleyes:

solvs

Apr 19, 2006, 12:12 AM

No restart is required.
Kept waiting for it to tell me to reboot. :p I did anyway, should have come here first. Feels the same to me, but that's still a good thing.

mozmac

Apr 19, 2006, 02:24 AM

I'm not a huge Java expert, but I've heard that Apple's Java support isn't very good. What's your guys' opinion on this?

eSnow

Apr 19, 2006, 03:34 AM

I'm not a huge Java expert, but I've heard that Apple's Java support isn't very good. What's your guys' opinion on this?

You are partly right. Apple's adaptation of Java is top-notch when it comes to the UI. They have been very good at making Java-applications look very much like the native thing - not least because they are actually calling cocoa objects to draw the UI.

Performance-wise, however, the Apple Java just plain sucks. The sun JRE on windows is much faster. This may be due to PPC, to the Mach kernel or whatever, but I have developed on a PIII/500 on windows - and the IDE was about as fast as on my Mac Mini 1.25Ghz under OS X (OK, different IDE's, different Java-versions play into this as well).

Not to mention that Apple is chronically late when it comes to updating Java. They were late with 1.4 which hurt them in the developer community and they are about a year late with Java 5.

newnomad

Apr 19, 2006, 04:42 AM

does this mean postitcustomnotes (http://www.postitcustomnotes.com) will finally work on a mac? I can't even run it on VPC...

Platform

Apr 19, 2006, 04:49 AM

My Intel version is 44.4 MB. I'm on an 2 Ghz iMac.

I got a 39MB update :confused:

aswitcher

Apr 19, 2006, 06:21 AM

39MB here

Bern

Apr 19, 2006, 06:24 AM

I downloaded the update, and I must say I've noticed Safari is acting a little snappier now.

I agree, can this be possible?

frenetic

Apr 19, 2006, 07:36 AM

does this mean postitcustomnotes (http://www.postitcustomnotes.com) will finally work on a mac? I can't even run it on VPC...

Well I just tried it and I am afraid I will have to disappoint you: not working.... At least not on my system.

newnomad

Apr 19, 2006, 07:55 AM

Well I just tried it and I am afraid I will have to disappoint you: not working.... At least not on my system.
and I really wonder why - anyone has a clue?
Its the inititiation of the applet that fails
java is supposed to be cross platform...

peharri

Apr 19, 2006, 07:57 AM

It's Tiger only? I semi-understand dropping Jaguar support, but I'd have thought Panther, at least, should still be getting Java updates. Especially as the lack of updates to the Cocoa bridge means that Apple isn't using any 10.4 specific features to implement Java.

Oh well. Hopefully the Free Software implementations of Java will catch up with 1.5 in time.

Macnoviz

Apr 19, 2006, 08:00 AM

Why is this message on page 2, actually?
Isnt't that for wild speculations and non-conformed rumors?
Firefox going universal was front-page news

zzal

Apr 19, 2006, 08:33 AM

Is this a Page 2 News item? Really?
Where are the glorious times of real rumor sites?!

bousozoku

Apr 19, 2006, 09:07 AM

I'm not a huge Java expert, but I've heard that Apple's Java support isn't very good. What's your guys' opinion on this?

It's mixed.

At first, Apple did their own thing and it made it really difficult to integrate changes from Sun, so they would be terribly far behind other platforms. They also were nasty enough to say that you had to run Panther to get 1.4.x and Tiger to get 1.5.x. They did however change their ways with 1.4.x and re-wrote the JVM so that it was easier, thus quicker, to integrate the changes from Sun.

The native look-and-feel is as good and as CPU-sucking as native applications can be. They also make it easy to encapsulate the Java pieces in an executable application. Even if you don't do that, you can double click a .jar file and it will run.

They've been both good and bad and that's typical Apple.

plinden

Apr 19, 2006, 10:58 AM

You are partly right. Apple's adaptation of Java is top-notch when it comes to the UI. They have been very good at making Java-applications look very much like the native thing - not least because they are actually calling cocoa objects to draw the UI.

Performance-wise, however, the Apple Java just plain sucks. The sun JRE on windows is much faster. This may be due to PPC, to the Mach kernel or whatever, but I have developed on a PIII/500 on windows - and the IDE was about as fast as on my Mac Mini 1.25Ghz under OS X (OK, different IDE's, different Java-versions play into this as well).
Their implementation on PPC plain sucks. Their implementation on Intel is excellent. Runtime is about 3x faster than on PPC Macs, and I can compile about 50% faster with OS X on my 1.83GHz Core Duo iMac than with Windows on my 2.26GHz P-M laptop, and my laptop blew away any PPC Mac I saw. The Eclipse and Netbeans IDEs run flawlessly and fast.

Linux has always been my OS of choice for Java development, but now on the laptop it is about the same speed as Mac OS X, so I can just as quickly develop on the new Macs as on Linux.

Not to mention that Apple is chronically late when it comes to updating Java. They were late with 1.4 which hurt them in the developer community and they are about a year late with Java 5.
Yes, they are late, but this is not the first Java 5 release. I'm not sure when it was released, but it was present in my Intel iMac when I bought it.

Doctor Q

Apr 19, 2006, 12:18 PM

Why is this message on page 2, actually?
Isnt't that for wild speculations and non-conformed rumors?
Firefox going universal was front-page newsThe answer is in the MacRumors FAQ. There's a link to the FAQ at the top of each forum page.

seashellz

Apr 19, 2006, 12:25 PM

so, is there any reason to keep 1.3.1 on the system any longer?

Shaker

Apr 19, 2006, 12:38 PM

Safari seems to be a bit slower and hangs up with the spinning beach ball when loading web pages after installing. Don't know if its the new install or somethign else.

bousozoku

Apr 19, 2006, 12:43 PM

so, is there any reason to keep 1.3.1 on the system any longer?

Yes, you may find something you want to run that needs it, i.e. won't run properly with 1.4.x or 1.5.x.

Bob Knob

Apr 19, 2006, 12:48 PM

If you have an Java app/runtime that makes calls to QuickTime you might not be too happy with this, lots of errors and pitfalls.

wms121

Apr 19, 2006, 01:59 PM

..Java.com says yes:

http://java.com/en/download/faq/5000070300.xml

IBM sez...well version 1.3 was 64-bit for us a while back:

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/1226.wss
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,2088418,00.htm

..any applications to test? ..hmmm,

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_thread.jsp?forum=171&thread=101019&cat=10&ca=drs-fo

http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/software/forte_v4.1/relnote41.html

..ok..jury is out..hey,

Anyone out there porting 64-bit Linux directly to Jinux or native Java..
..please post.

<---attempting to get a question answered for a client.

WW

bousozoku

Apr 19, 2006, 02:14 PM

wms121

Apr 19, 2006, 05:27 PM

Sun's issues:

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=726791&tstart=0

Apple's circumstances:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/06/apple_intel_analysis/
http://www.apple.com/xserve/cluster/resources.html

IBM's compilers:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/newto/#10

...and yada yada yada, boils down to "IBM has had all the cards" (i.e.
R&D...patents...existing market share..etc..) for so long..if they don't
"use viable technology"..then either something is wrong with the technology,
or what IBM was doing with it ..or similar in the first place.

IBM NEEDED to make Sun's stuff work..long since the 80's when they first
started to compete in server markets..and related. Java was a "catch-all"
for Sun...they kept their foot in the door with everyone's stuff..servers or
whatever..Java was a language designed for the internet.

So..DID Apple make some type of cataclysmic decision way back when (..
Dorothy put that bucket of water down...you are scaring the woman with
the black hat on..)..ahem..anyway..they had to use POWER architecture
because of Moto..had to use the compilers IBM gave them...had to use
the way those architecture's were set up..even though we are talking
"cross-platform"..you get efficiences..with good,better, best Java ports..
the best SHOULD be Sun's. Not always..but should.

Apple doesn't take any real chances on this stuff anymore..if they ever did,
they still "steal stuff"..just at the IBM or Sun discount level.

WW

081440

Apr 19, 2006, 09:30 PM

Why are the file sizes so different for Intel vs PPC? :confused:

Intel - 80MB
PPC - 53MB

Those numbers were based off the Apple sites.

On my PowerMac G5 the update was only 39.3 MB through software update...

Guess Software Update just further cuts unessesary data for each machine.

titangears

Apr 19, 2006, 10:12 PM

What about Dr. Java (http://drjava.sourceforge.net/)? Is it ok still? I need it for my computer science class.

Your CS class wants you to use DRJava? Thats odd. I would think they would want students to use something like Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org/) which has been widely adopted by the software development industry.

titangears

Apr 19, 2006, 10:16 PM

If you have an Java app/runtime that makes calls to QuickTime you might not be too happy with this, lots of errors and pitfalls.

Quicktime for Java is not well supported by Apple. It can be very buggy, BUT its the only game in town for what it does. FYI in many cases Quicktime for Java works better on OSX than it does on Windows.

Fabio_gsilva

Apr 19, 2006, 10:27 PM

I don't know about you, but I feel strangely excited every time software update says there is something to be upgraded... Is this ok?:rolleyes:

Hehehe. 39 Mb here.

Downloading...

mach1andy

Apr 20, 2006, 02:57 PM

I installed the update yesterday too from software update and it made safari run horribly. I have a 1.2ghz 768ram ibook that was doing great until i installed java 5.0. I reverted to 1.4.2. Did anyone else have this serious problem???

Thanks...

Marky_Mark

Apr 20, 2006, 04:56 PM

I downloaded the update, and I must say I've noticed Safari is acting a little snappier now.

I agree, can this be possible?

Well, it can't get any bloody slower, can it?! :rolleyes: Safari: the runt of the Apple litter.

bousozoku

Apr 20, 2006, 05:08 PM

Well, it can't get any bloody slower, can it?! :rolleyes: Safari: the runt of the Apple litter.

Browsers are a special problem and non-x86 browsers have a harder time because most content is stored in x86 format and has to be byte-swapped. Java for the PPC has to byte-swap as well, even though it's transparent to the developer and the end user. It takes time.

Squareball

Apr 20, 2006, 06:17 PM

Browsers are a special problem and non-x86 browsers have a harder time because most content is stored in x86 format and has to be byte-swapped. Java for the PPC has to byte-swap as well, even though it's transparent to the developer and the end user. It takes time.

Seriously?

I thought when you compiled a Java app it compiled it to a java runtime which was platform agnostic and the java VM interperted the code to platform specific code on all systems.

bousozoku

Apr 20, 2006, 06:39 PM

Seriously?

I thought when you compiled a Java app it compiled it to a java runtime which was platform agnostic and the java VM interperted the code to platform specific code on all systems.

The JVM does the byte-swapping so that no one, including any application, has to be the wiser. The idealism behind Java is that the application should not care where it runs.

pighuddle

Apr 20, 2006, 09:20 PM

I've noticed since updating some web pages "roll down" from top to bottom when I go to them in Safari. Anyone else notice this change in how Safari displays new pages?

all-in-my-head

Apr 21, 2006, 09:27 AM

Installed this Java 2 SE 5 update, and Dreamweaver 8 stopped opening on me.

Kept hanging on "initialising assets" with start up screen.

Found an update for Dreamweaver to version 8.0.1 which got it opening ok. But it was serioulsy slow and switching from code to design view was taking a least a minute! Or not working at all.

I've just switched back to Java 1.4.2 in the Java prefs setting and now it's all working fine! Hmm. :confused:

Running PowerMac Dual 2Ghz G5, 2.5GB RAM and Tiger 10.4.6 if anyones interested.

LastZion

Apr 21, 2006, 12:15 PM

I may be partially responsible for this update with the 700 times I have contacted apple with a java crashes...

I love it, now Pacific Poker java works beautifully!

bousozoku

Apr 21, 2006, 01:10 PM

phil989

Apr 21, 2006, 05:38 PM

What about Dr. Java (http://drjava.sourceforge.net/)? Is it ok still? I need it for my computer science class.

google...

"The current stable release for DrJava is drjava-stable-20060127-2145.
This version supports Java 1.4 and Java 1.5."

jole

Apr 24, 2006, 07:55 AM

I'm not a huge Java expert, but I've heard that Apple's Java support isn't very good. What's your guys' opinion on this?

This really really varies - see my benchmark results for 30 different macs and pc:s on http://www.jole.fi/JavaPerformanceTest/

kingtj

Apr 25, 2006, 02:18 PM

Immediately after installing this Java update on my MacBook Pro in OS X 10.4.6, I discovered that the "hover buttons" that Microsoft Frontpage creates for navigation bars on sites no longer seem to work. Safari just crashes with the spinning wheel when it tries to render the hover buttons, and FireFox simply tells me the applet was unable to be loaded.

No restart is required.

Please post if you are aware of specific Java-based applications or applets that require Java 1.4.2.

bousozoku

Apr 25, 2006, 02:22 PM

Immediately after installing this Java update on my MacBook Pro in OS X 10.4.6, I discovered that the "hover buttons" that Microsoft Frontpage creates for navigation bars on sites no longer seem to work. Safari just crashes with the spinning wheel when it tries to render the hover buttons, and FireFox simply tells me the applet was unable to be loaded.

Problems with FrontPage creating non-compliant Java code is not a surprise, nor is it truly anything new.

wms121

May 8, 2006, 03:47 PM

..found this a while ago:

http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/494/benne2.jpg

..and one of my older posts:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=99379&highlight=wms121

Optical Computing is coming...either already here for some...or taking its time
mosey'n down the high tech thoroughfare..ahem.

Java is a patch...whether fully 64 bit, 128-bit or 256/1024 bit...you only get
as far as the computational architecture scientists will let you. Some other
posts I made (including an original jab at a "clean sheet of paper" solution for
Apple..which wandered too much...Steve needs clear thinkin' here...ahem)..
won't really cover these issues until Apple's purchasing public catches up with
it "splendid ideas" people.

When that gonna happen?

When these 'remote viewer' PC's they keep attempting to put in your mobile
phone connect to IBM's Lenovo mind boxes..and tell you what to purchase at
Wally Mart...before the Wi-Fi RFID on the box lid zaps you..

Paranoia systems ahoy..?

Nope.

There is just too much capability...too little time..and too much that can go
wrong before these "2012" mind game scenarios take place..Java mind boxes
or not...Apple NEEDS YOUR INPUT NOW on these subjects. Please walk in the
door at the Apple Store..demand to talk to their UNIX programmer..and ask them
to install an old copy of DOS 1.1 and make it talk to the new Java 2
Edition 5.0. YES DOS 1.1 SHOULD WORK on your Intel Chip Laptop. YES
Java should be able to "text monitor it"..YES the UNIX geek at the store should
be able to do a simple html or Java Script coding trial for you.

Anyone succeeding at this please post.

i have already po'd the staff at willowbend in n dallas...ahem..later gang

<---wants to go home now

Imagodoc

May 9, 2006, 03:17 PM

After updating to Java 2 Standard Edition (J2SE) 5.0 Release 4 on my iMac G5 20" running 10.4.6, Safari hangs my entire machine up, with the only option being a hard reboot. This is a consistent result, happens every single time. I tried trashing ALL cache files and Safari plist, same result. Anyone else having this problem? I do have a lot of other software. Anyone aware of any conflicts? (I am now forced to use Explorer, which seems to run OK.)