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Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 07:40 AM
Kind of snore, but at least it's finally here! One more USB port for all the yuppies who wanted more, and we still get FireWire 800. :D

count chocula
Apr 24, 2006, 07:43 AM
standard specs are: 17 inch screen, 2.16 ghz core duo (not upgradable) 1 gb ram (upgradable to 2), and 120 gig 5400 rpm hard drive or 100 gig 7200 rpm hard drive.

MacRumors
Apr 24, 2006, 07:51 AM
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As rumored, Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/apr/24macbookpro.html) the 17" MacBook Pro today at the NAB conference.

The new 17-inch MacBook Pro features a stunning aluminum enclosure just one inch thin, weighs only 6.8 pounds, includes a built-in iSight™ video camera for video conferencing on-the-go, and the breakthrough Front Row media experience with Apple Remote. The new 17-inch MacBook Pro also features a MagSafe™ Power Adapter, invented by Apple especially for mobile users.

Specs include:

2.16 Intel Core Duo Processor
667 MHz front-side bus
Up to 2GB of RAM (667 MHz DDR@ SDRAM)
iSight Camera
MagSafe Power Adapter
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 PCI Express graphics 256MB
Firewire 800, Firewire 400
Bluetooth, Airport Extreme
$2799

Available at the Apple Store (http://www.dailytunes.com/applestore.php) and shipping next week.

jimN
Apr 24, 2006, 07:52 AM
just 300 dollars more than the 15" and with faster processor, biiger hard drive, dl superdrive (must be possible within the inch then) and FW800. Can't complain about that.

aegisdesign
Apr 24, 2006, 07:53 AM
8x dual layer superdrive too, unlike the 4x single layer in the 15". Good to see FW800 there.

Mac_Freak
Apr 24, 2006, 07:53 AM
FW 800 woohoo

MacRumorUser
Apr 24, 2006, 07:53 AM
Funniest thing is the pricing.

A 15.4" with the 2.16 BTO and 120GB HD comes in at Eur 2,924.68

A 17" with same spec costs Eur 2,694.67

250 Euro cheaper than the 15" ??? That's fecked up. I suspect Apple are going to have to do some price re-structuring in its 15" range as it does not represent good value in its current form.

johnbro23
Apr 24, 2006, 07:53 AM
nothing too unexpected here. Glad to see Apple is ahead of the game and getting more Intel Macs out on the market.

denial
Apr 24, 2006, 07:54 AM
looks stunning, wish I could afford to get one right now.

mpw
Apr 24, 2006, 07:54 AM
That price seems low when you compare it to the 15". Upgrade the 15" to match the 2.16Ghz and 120Gb HDD of the 17" and it comes out £60 more (UK pricing) and you then get the extra ports, screen and DL 8xSuperdrive on top. I hope this means the 15" is due a price drop.

Tomaz
Apr 24, 2006, 07:55 AM
3x USB, FW800 and double layer burning, exactly the features that are missing from the 15"...

count chocula
Apr 24, 2006, 07:55 AM
i want one!!!!! alas, i will be getting a plain macbook, which wasnt released. hmpf:(

iSee
Apr 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
Wow! Now that it's happened it seems so sudden.
Well, this is great news. Apple is just marching along executing their transition plan...

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
They must have been "saving" DL support for the 17"

maverick808
Apr 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
The tech specs page has been updated and claims 5.5 hours battery for the 17". The 15" info has also been entered and claims 4.5 hours. I get 2.5 hours max on my 15" MBP... anyone get better than that?

Willis
Apr 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
ah about time.... now get on with the MACBOOK!

Tomaz
Apr 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

macpastor
Apr 24, 2006, 07:57 AM
ah about time.... now get on with the MACBOOK!

Never happy are we?

count chocula
Apr 24, 2006, 07:57 AM
yea, the pricing is a little wierd

jcoffman78
Apr 24, 2006, 07:58 AM
Who gives a rats ass about a 17in Macbook Pro. unless you have 2800.00 to blow. Damn you Steve give me my Macbook!!!!!(In Black Preferably)

peanut48
Apr 24, 2006, 07:58 AM
not fair....I want a 12" or 13" macbook now......awwwww come on apple.....I'm dying to switch and cant hold on any longer....

odedia
Apr 24, 2006, 07:59 AM
And most probably has none of the annoying 15" revision A problems. Man. They are really getting it out there aren't they...

Maybe I should sell my spankin' new 15" MBP :) :) :)

MrCrowbar
Apr 24, 2006, 07:59 AM
Wow, I though it qould be way more expensive. It's really just a few bucks more than the maxed out 15". Well done for FW 800 and the DL drive. I am smitten :eek:

aegisdesign
Apr 24, 2006, 07:59 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

Same thickness. However, the 17" is bigger so they can move stuff that would otherwise be under the drive out of the way.

Unless they've now got a thinner dual layer drive of course. In that case I'd guess a quiet 15" upgrade is on the cards.

lvnmacs
Apr 24, 2006, 08:00 AM
finally! But where is my 13.3 MacBook?

rxse7en
Apr 24, 2006, 08:00 AM
Sooooo tempting! Will wait for Merom in August/September as long as it stays on target.

DTphonehome
Apr 24, 2006, 08:00 AM
That price seems low when you compare it to the 15". Upgrade the 15" to match the 2.16Ghz and 120Gb HDD of the 17" and it comes out £60 more (UK pricing) and you then get the extra ports, screen and DL 8xSuperdrive on top. I hope this means the 15" is due a price drop.

Very good point! The 17" is a bargain in comparison.

twoodcc
Apr 24, 2006, 08:01 AM
ah about time.... now get on with the MACBOOK!

i agree. i want to see the Macbook as well

count chocula
Apr 24, 2006, 08:01 AM
no "magclose"

Tymmz
Apr 24, 2006, 08:02 AM
Why is the 17'' cheaper than the 15''?

sunfast
Apr 24, 2006, 08:03 AM
That is an awesome piece of equipment. Shame it doesn't come with wheels though.

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 08:03 AM
Only the 12" G4 remains... it's so lonely... :(

mixel
Apr 24, 2006, 08:03 AM
Niiiiice...

Lovely looking machines. I hope they're really successful. The 15" MBP is great too..

How long before the "We don't care! this is all just filler until Merom arrives!" brigade start posting? :)

MacRumorUser
Apr 24, 2006, 08:03 AM
Pricing is hilarious.

17" cheaper than the 15" with same BTO options. Expect a price drop soon or maybe 2ghz in the 1.83 & 2.16 standard....

besiktas jk
Apr 24, 2006, 08:03 AM
Considering the education market, Macbook should have been the priority. Anyway, if it's going to come out until the end of May, that's okay with me, but please no more delays Apple.

^squirrel^
Apr 24, 2006, 08:04 AM
That price seems low when you compare it to the 15". Upgrade the 15" to match the 2.16Ghz and 120Gb HDD of the 17" and it comes out £60 more (UK pricing) and you then get the extra ports, screen and DL 8xSuperdrive on top. I hope this means the 15" is due a price drop.


ooooooooo, i hope they drop the prices too!

odedia
Apr 24, 2006, 08:04 AM
They must have been "saving" DL support for the 17"

I really hope that the real reason is that they had less internal space on the 15". otherwise i'd be pissed. :cool:

aegisdesign
Apr 24, 2006, 08:04 AM
Very good point! The 17" is a bargain in comparison.

Unless of course you don't want to lug about a 7lb 'laptop'.

Come on Apple, where's the true laptops?

capone2
Apr 24, 2006, 08:05 AM
but im waiting for Merom !!

4mb L2cache-

Brize
Apr 24, 2006, 08:06 AM
Good spot.

Interesting to note that the 17" MBP has a dual layer 8x SuperDrive, despite being no higher than the 15".

manu chao
Apr 24, 2006, 08:07 AM
3x USB, FW800 and double layer burning, exactly the features that are missing from the 15"...

Remember Steve saying that once you put a feature in a product, you cannot take it away again, so you better think twice before doing it? Actually, he was talking about the iPod, but the same principle applies here.

Your statement just proves his point. If Powerbooks would not have gotten DL-drives in their last iteration (and FW800 earlier), the fact that these features were not present in the MBP 15" would by far not have been critisised to the same extent.

Josias
Apr 24, 2006, 08:07 AM
You can just buy a 8x DL drive for the 15". It's not because there isn't room in the 15"...;)

BJNY
Apr 24, 2006, 08:07 AM
What will happen to all the pricing when Intel lowers cost of Core Duos at the end of May?

Dyaus
Apr 24, 2006, 08:08 AM
Now i just have to wait for an updated 15" macbook pro which has FW800 and dual layer DVD drive.

Glad apple is moving along with the intel upgrades. This 17" will be nice, but too big for me.

MrCrowbar
Apr 24, 2006, 08:08 AM
Compare the price of the 2.16 GHz 15" MBP and the 2.16 GHz 17" MBP. Both $2,799.00 but the 17" has more HDD, FW 800, dual layer etc...

The people having paid the extra money for the 2.16 GHz upgrade for the 15" must be p:ssed real bad! :eek: :p

Now give me a 12" or 13.3" and I'm happy.

mandis
Apr 24, 2006, 08:08 AM
Specs include:

2.16 Intel Core Duo Processor
667 MHz front-side bus
Up to 2GB of RAM (667 MHz DDR@ SDRAM)
iSight Camera
MagSafe Power Adapter
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 PCI Express graphics 256MB
Firewire 800, Firewire 400
Bluetooth, Airport Extreme
$2799

Available at the Apple Store (http://www.dailytunes.com/applestore.php) and shipping next week.


OMG!!! This is unbelievable!!!!! Dirt cheap (in comparison to the 15" model) UBER FAST dual core cpu DL 8x DVDRW drive and ...Fire Wire 800!!! :eek:
I want 2!!

I bet you this will run cooler than the 15" macbook pro! :D

Chundles
Apr 24, 2006, 08:08 AM
http://images.killermovies.com/l/lotrthetwotowers/gollum_at_mtv_awards.jpg

I wants one damnit!!!

I reckon that thing would last me for many happy years, as would a 15" for less money but now that's not the biggest and best is it?

Damnit I want one now!!! And an Oompa Loompa too!!!

Lord Blackadder
Apr 24, 2006, 08:08 AM
Maybe we'll see FW 800 and DL drives showing up in the 15" this summer...

A very nice spec, very nice indeed.

ImAlwaysRight
Apr 24, 2006, 08:10 AM
Let's just hope the MacBook isn't too far behind... ;)

Considering the education market, Macbook should have been the priority. Anyway, if it's going to come out until the end of May, that's okay with me, but please no more delays Apple.MacBook 13" is a total redesign. Of course it is going to take the longest to get out. 15"/17" is just stuffing a core duo in the existing design, albeit with some slight modifications.

I agree though, compared to the 15", the 17" sure seems to be the way to go. I suspect the MacBooks may start at $999 when released in May, and Apple may drop the price of the 15" model by then, especially with chip prices going down.

iBrow
Apr 24, 2006, 08:10 AM
A nice update to the Intel transition... :)

iGary
Apr 24, 2006, 08:10 AM
NEW YORK, April 24 (Reuters) - Apple Computer Inc. on Monday said a new 17-inch version of its MacBook Pro laptop computer would begin shipping to stores next week.

The MacBook Pro, first introduced in January with a 15-inch display, replaces Apple's PowerBook line of laptops and uses Intel Corp.'s Core Duo computer chip for a processing speed three to four times faster than the PowerBook.

Apple said the new version weighs 6.8 pounds and will sell at a retail price of about $2,799.

mlrproducts
Apr 24, 2006, 08:11 AM
SO I guess up 15" Macbook Pro'ers aren't really all that Pro, are we?

We don't get FW800 or DL Burner. Now what was all that BS about the burner? Isn't the 17" supposed to be a thinner laptop?

1984
Apr 24, 2006, 08:11 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

The 15" MacBook Pro is something like .1mm thinner.

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 08:13 AM
Wow, that's a KILLER machine. I'm sure some people will whine about the price, but they're really just releasing a "best" version with no "good" or "better" ones available. This is definitely a machine for someone who wants top of the line and is willing to pay for it. Pretty good deal for what you get, it's actually cheaper than buying the 15" with the 2.16 (unless they just haven't changed that price yet).

And I'm shocked they put in FW800, I was convinced that we'd never see it again in a mac laptop.

I wonder when if ever we'll see a laptop with 1080 resolution for native HD? This looks like a great mobile FCS station.

So when do the markets open? Curious what my AAPL does today.

MrCrowbar
Apr 24, 2006, 08:13 AM
The 15" MacBook Pro is something like .1mm thinner.

Well you all agree that having a .1mm thinner case is TOTALLY worth sacrificing a DL drive.




Just kidding. :p

Cinematographer
Apr 24, 2006, 08:14 AM
Magnificent!

Just one question. The MacBook Pro comes with a "lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 5.5 hours of battery life".

How does the faster but smaller hard drive affect battery life? Does anyone know that?

100GB Serial ATA-Laufwerk (7200U/Min.)
120GB Serial ATA-Laufwerk (5400U/Min.)

Chundles
Apr 24, 2006, 08:14 AM
The 15" MacBook Pro is something like .1mm thinner.

The specs page lists them both as the same thickness. I think the extra space gave them more room to route connections and stuff so the thicker drive fits in the 17" whereas in the 15" there is more stuff around the drive meaning only the thinner drive would fit.

Bern
Apr 24, 2006, 08:15 AM
17" ??? Get an external monitor for goodness sake. :p

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 08:15 AM
I really hope that the real reason is that they had less internal space on the 15". otherwise i'd be pissed. :cool:

Dude, I just noticed it's 8x. That's sad.

1984
Apr 24, 2006, 08:16 AM
Your statement just proves his point. If Powerbooks would not have gotten DL-drives in their last iteration (and FW800 earlier), the fact that these features were not present in the MBP 15" would by far not have been critisised to the same extent.

Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.

EGT
Apr 24, 2006, 08:17 AM
Very, very nice specs. When we get the next big processor boost, I'm ditching the G4 powerbook for one of these mobile power houses. :cool:

Can't wait to see the Macbooks.

MrCrowbar
Apr 24, 2006, 08:17 AM
Magnificent!

Just one question. The MacBook Pro comes with a "lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 5.5 hours of battery life".

How does the faster but smaller hard drive affect battery life? Does anyone know that?

100GB Serial ATA-Laufwerk (7200U/Min.)
120GB Serial ATA-Laufwerk (5400U/Min.)

Hard Drives draw a lot of power, bit I guess the battery in the 17" is hugt as the space is there. I think it will run cooler than the 15" because of better ventilation. 5.5 hours sounds awesome. I want one. Can't take it anywhere because it's an aircraft carrier but I want to have it to impress people in airplanes playing HL2 in full res, full details. :p

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 08:18 AM
17" ??? Get an external monitor for goodness sake. :p

And how exactly is that portable?

Photorun
Apr 24, 2006, 08:19 AM
I'm eating crow, I said there was no way these would be under $2999.

With my edu discount it's under $2500... so tempting.

generik
Apr 24, 2006, 08:19 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

They lied mkay? The real reason is market segmentation :cool:

In other news corporations lie all the time.

Mac_Freak
Apr 24, 2006, 08:19 AM
Let's just hope the MacBook isn't too far behind... ;)
.....

I think Apple is waiting for Intel to drop their prices of Core processors which would translate for lower priced MacBook/Pro small portables. Although, it look like Apple has already got those chips for less than others if you look at the price of the new 17" MBP

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 08:20 AM
Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.

It's not vanity, customers WANT these to be as thin as possible. It's a tradeoff, we all know that if they went DL on the 15 and made it thicker, people would complain that it wasn't thin enough.

p0intblank
Apr 24, 2006, 08:20 AM
Awesome! And it has FireWire 800 too. :D I won't be getting one, but I know this is a big deal to a lot of people since the 15.4" model didn't have FW800. And three USB ports = finally!

Leoff
Apr 24, 2006, 08:21 AM
Geeze, some of you people are never, ever going to be satisfied.

Apple comes out with a new product, and I see a large number of you screaming because there's no 13.3" MacBook out yet. Would you rather they release it now with all sorts of bugs and a massive backorder? Or would you like them to take their time, do it right, and then release it?

You're probably the same people who will complain when the MacBook DOES come out and it has crappy video card, as it's expected to have.

Kudos to Apple for the 17" sleek machine. Now I just have to debate between which screen size would be good.

toolhouse
Apr 24, 2006, 08:21 AM
The tech specs page has been updated and claims 5.5 hours battery for the 17". The 15" info has also been entered and claims 4.5 hours. I get 2.5 hours max on my 15" MBP... anyone get better than that?

I average 5 - 6 hours on my 15" MBP. Purchased a second battery but rarely use it!

bgd78
Apr 24, 2006, 08:22 AM
The bad:

* No WUXGA (1920x1200) resolution, can't say I expected it though
* Still only ExpressCard/34, I was expecting a full-size ExpressCard/54 for a 17" laptop
* No 64-bit Merom CPU, it would have been a really nice surprise though :D

mark88
Apr 24, 2006, 08:24 AM
That price seems low when you compare it to the 15". Upgrade the 15" to match the 2.16Ghz and 120Gb HDD of the 17" and it comes out £60 more (UK pricing) and you then get the extra ports, screen and DL 8xSuperdrive on top. I hope this means the 15" is due a price drop.

I noticed that straight away, It's bizarre!!!

If I was buying a new MacBook Pro the middle of the range 15" pretty much doesn't site
well at all.

maverick808
Apr 24, 2006, 08:24 AM
I average 5 - 6 hours on my 15" MBP. Purchased a sdecond battery but rarely use it!

Sorry but I just don't believe that. Apple claims 4.5 max and out of the thousands of users on this site not a single one has yet claimed more than 3.5 hours on average use and the vast majority say 2.5 to 3. I don't see how you could be getting more than double what everyone else is.

pincho
Apr 24, 2006, 08:25 AM
lol the 12" Power Book looks lonely on the Store page, and i think they will have to update or get rid of that before the MacBooks come, as its 'wasting' space by itself in the Hardware section of the website :D

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 08:25 AM
Where do they get off charging the same price for the 12"???

No DL, not even a 120GB option?

student_trap
Apr 24, 2006, 08:25 AM
pretty good, glad to see the dual layer burner, and firewire 800, otherwise it seems standard to me. Bring on the macbook!

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 08:26 AM
So who wants to do a 17" apple VS dell comparison?

Looks like the MBP 17 will stack up much better than the 15 did.

generik
Apr 24, 2006, 08:26 AM
Funniest thing is the pricing.

A 15.4" with the 2.16 BTO and 120GB HD comes in at Eur 2,924.68

A 17" with same spec costs Eur 2,694.67

250 Euro cheaper than the 15" ??? That's fecked up. I suspect Apple are going to have to do some price re-structuring in its 15" range as it does not represent good value in its current form.

Probably a hint that a speed bump is on its way :)

iMeowbot
Apr 24, 2006, 08:26 AM
Why is the 17'' cheaper than the 15''?
It's a diluted computer. The 15" model does better in the all-important performance per volume metric. Or something.

otter-boy
Apr 24, 2006, 08:26 AM
Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.

I doubt that "Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives," especially since most Windows laptops sell for less than $800.

In your statement, you're describing one part of the high-end market. There are still companies like Sony and Lenovo that make $2500+ laptops with no internal DVD drives.

Companies make trade-offs with every computer they produce. I think Apple should have gone for the dual-layer burners in the 15", but it's hardly as simple as saying that that is the only reasonable choice. I am glad they chose the 8x dual-layer drives for the 17".

sam10685
Apr 24, 2006, 08:28 AM
not fair....I want a 12" or 13" macbook now......awwwww come on apple.....I'm dying to switch and cant hold on any longer....

me too. i have a G4 12" powerbook and it's getting slower by the day almost.

manu chao
Apr 24, 2006, 08:28 AM
Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.

And most PC laptops have FW800, right?

MacQuest
Apr 24, 2006, 08:28 AM
Hell Yeah!!!

$200 cheaper than I thought it might be, but I was seriously thinking that they were gonna introduce it at $3299 [same as the original 17" G4 PowerBook], so actually it's $500 less than I thought it would be.

It really looks to me like we may see both 15" MBP's come down $200 each when the processors price's drop at the end of May. Maybe even by as early as tomorrow or sometime this week in order to keep the Apple hype going at NAB and to really celebrate Apple's 30th! I wish this would be the case, but if the price reductions happen, they might happen alongside a MacBook announcement [shipping at the end of May of course :rolleyes: :D] later this week... or next Tuesday. :p

Only $300 difference between the 17" & 15" is way too little as far as I'm concerned. At least the $2499 model has gotta come down to $2299. If the $1999 model were to come down to $1799... schweeeet.

Platform
Apr 24, 2006, 08:30 AM
FW 800, 3 USB ports, 8X DL SD, 17" @ 1680*1050 (Same as my iMac with 3" more :eek: ...i know same as before but still) all MBP features :D

macpastor
Apr 24, 2006, 08:30 AM
I'm eating crow, I said there was no way these would be under $2999.

With my edu discount it's under $2500... so tempting.

Says $2599 for ED Discount on Apple site....

besiktas jk
Apr 24, 2006, 08:31 AM
You're probably the same people who will complain when the MacBook DOES come out and it has crappy video card, as it's expected to have.


I promise I'm never going to complain about the Macbook if it comes out with acceptable prices. No complain about video card, screen resolution, hdd capacity, nothing at all :D

bgd78
Apr 24, 2006, 08:31 AM
Regarding the FW800 port, can you run external 3.5" HDDs straight off the FW800 port without the need for an external power supply?

guffman
Apr 24, 2006, 08:31 AM
I average 5 - 6 hours on my 15" MBP. Purchased a second battery but rarely use it!

How?????? I get like 3-3:30.....what the heck apple...

peanut48
Apr 24, 2006, 08:32 AM
I promise I'm never going to complain about the Macbook if it comes out with acceptable prices. No complain about video card, screen resolution, hdd capacity, nothing at all :D


plus 1 :D

(L)
Apr 24, 2006, 08:33 AM
Hell Yeah!!!

$200 cheaper than I thought it might be, but I was seriously thinking that they were gonna introduce it at $3299 [same as the original 17" G4 PowerBook], so actually it's $500 less than I thought it would be.

It really looks to me like we may see both 15" MBP's come down $200 each when the processors price's drop at the end of May. Maybe even by as early as tomorrow or sometime this week in order to keep the Apple hype going at NAB and to really celebrate Apple's 30th! I wish this would be the case, but if the price reductions happen, they might happen alongside a MacBook announcement [shipping at the end of May of course :rolleyes: :D] later this week... or next Tuesday. :p

Only $300 difference between the 17" & 15" is way too little as far as I'm concerned. At least the $2499 model has gotta come down to $2299. If the $1999 model were to come down to $1799... schweeeet.

Yikes...what if the MacBook's start at 1299? Oh well, who cares, I have a 12" PB!

deadturtle
Apr 24, 2006, 08:33 AM
Yay! Now all I need to do is convince my boss that this is worth buying... how many dollars of donuts is that? Or maybe some gourmet coffee.....

mac-since-199o
Apr 24, 2006, 08:34 AM
I'm happy with my 15' MBP, the only thing I really want is the Firewire 800.

iSee
Apr 24, 2006, 08:35 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

Well, the 17" is the same thickness, but it has more overall volume. So it's easier to find places to put the various components. They could have physically fit a DL 8X drive into the 15" case, but, (I suppose) they wouldn't have had room for other things (Like maybe the CPU! :D).

I would guess they design the layout of the internal components of a laptop fairly early on in its design. Apple was probably hoping for a 9mm (made up that number, but you know what I mean :) ) DL 8X drive for the 15", created the design around that, but found they couldn't get that when it came time to finalize the components, and had to go with a 4X DL 9mm drive instead. (If Apple moved up the release date for the 15", that might have been a compromise they had to make--go with the less capable drive because the better one wasn't available yet.)

For the 17" they may have allocated the 10mm (or whatever) of height they needed from the start. (Or maybe slimmer, more capable drives are now available, and we can except an update for the 15" soon!)

fixyourthinking
Apr 24, 2006, 08:36 AM
Interesting ... and waited for ... but ...

There is plenty of room for TWO SATA hard drives that could be raided ... giving extra performance and they really need two banks of RAM (for up to 4GB)

Glad they implemented FW800 on this one.

peharri
Apr 24, 2006, 08:37 AM
MacBook 13" is a total redesign. Of course it is going to take the longest to get out. 15"/17" is just stuffing a core duo in the existing design, albeit with some slight modifications.


Don't kid yourself. The 15" and 17" MBPs, Intel iMac, and Intel Mac mini may look like their predecessor, but they most certainly are complete redesigns. Only the "shell" hasn't changed, and I'm sure those designing the circuit boards and other components will tell you that's more of a problem than it is a help.

I would suggest the MacBook hasn't been released yet because it doesn't have to be yet. It needs to be out soon, but Apple currently has an underserved high-end market (Powerbooks are underpowered, PowerMacs are "obsolete" - that is, many people are avoiding buying them despite their power because they believe Intel-only applications are on the horizon and will soon become the norm) which is why they're concentrating on the MBP (They can't do anything about the PM until Intel releases the next generation of chips)

It's a matter of priorities. Apple may know there's a large market for MacBooks, but it has low-end and mid-range machines that will suit many potential MB buyers in the meantime.

rockandrule
Apr 24, 2006, 08:37 AM
Regarding the FW800 port, can you run external 3.5" HDDs straight off the FW800 port without the need for an external power supply?
I wish I had an external FW800 to try that out on my PowerBook. :o I have only the FW400 though, so no help here.

Glad to see such good specs coming out for those video and audio guys finally. I hate to see it when people complain that the highest line of notebook has some features that the lower one doesn't. Unfortunately, 17" is just way too large for typical portability if you don't need it for graphics rendering and such.

gkhaldi
Apr 24, 2006, 08:37 AM
Some really nice features but there's 1 major missing (in all laptops for that matter); more memory;

Let me explain; I have 2 gigs and I'd love to have 4 GB. I demo some webapps that need specific environments. Parallels has given me this but now I need much much more memory.

Hooray for the 4 - 8 GB Macbook Pro ;) ;)

One can dream, not :cool:

lietsche
Apr 24, 2006, 08:37 AM
I waited for today to buy my mbp 15" as I expected a price drop. this does not seem to be the case.
so i will have to go for the 17".
is it really that bigger and uneasy to transport?
personally the 15" is the perfect size, but as i am a video editor, the DL 8x, fw 800 and a bigger screen just makes so much sense...
and the price is veeery tempting compared to the 15" which is actually 220 Euros more expensive in france.
pricedrop by tomorrow after all folks like me ordered the 17" today???

daveschroeder
Apr 24, 2006, 08:37 AM
Some may note that the new 17" MacBook Pro, at the same thickness of the 15" MacBook Pro (1.0"), includes an 8x dual layer SuperDrive versus the 4x single layer drive in the 15" model. It might be recalled that the reasoning for not including a faster, dual layer SuperDrive in the 15" MacBook Pro was because of the necessary space not being available inside the case; the 15" MacBook Pro could only use a 9mm tall mechanism as opposed to the 12mm mechanism currently required for dual layer capability and the greater speed. How, then, can the 17" MacBook Pro (or even the previous 17" PowerBook), at the exact same thickness, include this drive? Does this mean Apple was holding back? Is the 8x DL drive due in a 15" MacBook Pro imminently? The answer is no: the reason why the drive didn't (and still doesn't) fit in the 15" MacBook Pro is because the wider trackpad mechanism Apple chose to use encroaches internally on the space needed for a 12mm drive by about 1/8" laterally. However, this is not the case on the 17" MacBook Pro.

Also, I'd strongly disagree that the 15" is all of a sudden a "bad deal". For example:

- The 17" is way too large for me; the 15" is the perfect size
- I have no need or use whatsoever for dual layer capability in the SuperDrive, and am not affected at all by the fact that it is 4x
- I have no need or use whatsoever for FireWire 800

Please, people. The 15" MacBook Pro is still going to be the absolute prime choice for many, many people, just like the 15" PowerBook was.

obeygiant
Apr 24, 2006, 08:39 AM
ATTN:

Hey Everybody!
Dont Buy until Revision B!!!


:D

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 08:40 AM
lol the 12" Power Book looks lonely on the Store page, and i think they will have to update or get rid of that before the MacBooks come, as its 'wasting' space by itself in the Hardware section of the website :D

Poor 12". You deserved a 120GB option and DL a long time ago.

But now, at least you are the master of your domain. :D

the.snitch
Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 AM
Sweet! Glad to see they finally got it out. Now wheres the 12" replacement? (aka Macbook 13")

kiwi-in-uk
Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 AM
So who wants to do a 17" apple VS dell comparison?

Looks like the MBP 17 will stack up much better than the 15 did.
A VERY QUICK thumbnail from the Aussie sites ...

Mac 17" base 4599 + applecare 579 + modem 79 + 2GB 460 = 5717

Dell M1710 (256 MB graphics model) base 4397 + premium service 412 + help desk 169 + 100GBx7200 disk 91 + bluetooth 23 + 2GB 229 = 5721

Mac misses out on hi-res screen, 3 x USB, MS Works, and maybe some other bits.

Dell misses out on remote control, 1 x FW800, camera, iLife, and maybe some other stuff.

Edit: Of course it's arguable whether the extended warrantees are comparable, and there will be some other differences (eg Dell forces a choice in version of Windows, whereas OS X arguably gives capabilities of both) and so on. My take is that price is about the same, depending on whether you want the hi res screen or the FW800 & camera & iLife (I don't rate Works - would buy Office & iWork anyway).

daveschroeder
Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 AM
Regarding the FW800 port, can you run external 3.5" HDDs straight off the FW800 port without the need for an external power supply?

Yes, but ONLY 2.5" (laptop-sized) drives. You can't run full-size 3.5" external drives off the FireWire 800 connector any more than you could run them off a FireWire 400 connector.

Whigga Spitta
Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 AM
oh wow, i know it's been practically beaten to death BUT...

15" MBP with 2.16GHz Core Duo and 120GB harddrive (both standard on 17")-- $2659

17" MBP-- $2599

granted this in the education store, but wow, what a steal...you save $60 by getting an extra 2" of screen size, another USB port, FW800, and an 8x Superdrive. i am excited to see the new prices/revisions of the 15" in the coming weeks...

UberMac
Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 AM
Dell XPS M1710 (Sameish spec [512Mb Graphics...no option there]) - $4184
Inspiron E1705 (Same spec [X1400 not X1600]) - $2878

17" MacBook Pro - $3099

All with:
7200 100Gb HD
2Gb RAM
17" Display

Hmm...well I like it lots anyway! Seems like a bargain compared to the top end 15"! :D

Uber

/Why isn't MacBook in this computer's darn dictionary. You'd think 10.4.6 would at least include the latest product names :rolleyes: ;)
//Teaches iMac MacBook
///Checks all other product names...they seem to work fine
////Checks "MacPro" <--- Oh, misspelt. No secret apple clues to help us along :o

Gee4orce
Apr 24, 2006, 08:42 AM
Would you rather they release it now with all sorts of bugs and a massive backorder?

ACtually, yes. At least, I'd like them to say something like "here's what we've got in the pipeline for the next 6 months" - that way I could decide TODAY whether or not it's worth my while continually waiting for the MacBook, or whether I'd actually be better served with the MacBook Pro, which I could walk into an Apple store and go home with TONIGHT.

Surely it's in Apple's best interest to give it's buyers a frikkin' clue where they stand so that they can actually - you know - make a purchasing decision, instead of perusing rumor sites like this one for any snippet of information they can pick up.:confused:

MacQuest
Apr 24, 2006, 08:42 AM
What will happen to all the pricing when Intel lowers cost of Core Duos at the end of May?

Apple will make more money.

Seriously, I see the $2499 MBP coming down to $2299 and maybe the $1999 model coming down to $1799 or $1899.

Really though, the $1999 model doesn't have to come down at all. The current $500 price difference between the 2 MBP models is unjustified IMO. The only differences between the 2 models are; 128 MB more VRAM, 20GB more hard drive space, and 512MB more system ram.

I see those 3 factors being worth about $400 max. So I would like to see $1899, $2299, and $2799 MBP pricing.

$1799 for the lower end MBP is just wishful thinking on my part, but it sure would be "the cherry on top" though.

ro2nie
Apr 24, 2006, 08:43 AM
Hey...The 17-inch powerbooks have been removed from the store :)

Bern
Apr 24, 2006, 08:44 AM
And how exactly is that portable?

Open the lid and there's a screen inside :rolleyes:

revfife
Apr 24, 2006, 08:45 AM
Too bad for me, I still believe that 15 and now 17 are too big for true mobility. (i.e. take with me everywhere) Apple must have something big planned for the smaller and lighter models. One would hope anyway. The sad thing is the longer they delay putting out a true portable model the more people come to expect. (and will be disappointed when they just stuff a core solo in the current ibook design). :)

YoGramMamma
Apr 24, 2006, 08:45 AM
I'm pretty sure that the inclusion of the DL Superdrive has more to do with where the drive is placed (vertically speaking) than how much extra space is there since its wider. Its still 1" thin. Which is impressive i might add... but observe where the drive sits on the face of the computer - along the top, whereas on the 15" its in the middle (parallel with the latch button). The placement of this i think is what allowed them to have the DL. I dont know why they didnt do it like this in the 15" but i will say the aesthetics of the 15" drive look a little better with the burner slot flush in the middle. I bet they figured, "well if we keep the 17" design the same that means, less design work and more time to focus on other things, it means we can keep the DL burner for now, and it gives us a little more flexibility in the future for cramming in other drives i.e. BluRay or faster DL dvd burners that have currently unforseen thicknesses." Keep in mind too that the thinness of the 15" doesnt negate the ability for a DL drive, but just "not yet". I heard somewhere that they'd be thing enough by the summer time, so i guess in time for the Merom Rev. Don't know how credible this is though. In the 15" powerbook they had some extra computer thickness to allow for the thicker drive.. but in the thinner 17" powerbook, the drive slot was placed along the top of the front of the laptop to allow for the buner as thick as the DL superdrive.

just my opinion...

GOod job though.. keep 'em rollin

chabig
Apr 24, 2006, 08:46 AM
Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.
The 15" MacBook Pro does have a dual-layer optical drive. It just doesn't have a dual-layer burner. Most PC laptops do not have dual-layer burners. That's just not true.

Chris

freeny
Apr 24, 2006, 08:47 AM
Very nice. Now if they would just cram all that stuff into the 15". 17" is too big for my portability. Still, very nice:)

ShavenYak
Apr 24, 2006, 08:47 AM
Dell misses out on remote control, 1 x FW800, camera, iLife, and maybe some other stuff.

I think OS X deserves more consideration than calling it "some other stuff"!

Cue
Apr 24, 2006, 08:47 AM
I see
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB of GDDR3
and
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB of GDDR3

Does this mean
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 64MB of GDDR3

for the 13.3' Macbook? :P
A man can dream....

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 08:48 AM
Open the lid and there's a screen inside :rolleyes:

That doesn't make sense, that has nothing to do with an external montior.


Quick comparison on the Dell site, the M90 prices out to $2,674 with similar specs. That's with a lower rez screen, if you up it that adds another 150. That's also with 2x512 ram and not sure if it includes firewire of any sort.

The current $500 price difference between the 2 MBP models is unjustified IMO. The only differences between the 2 models are; 128 MB more VRAM, 20GB more hard drive space, and 512MB more system ram.

There's also a difference in CPU speed, 1.8 vs 2.0.

iSee
Apr 24, 2006, 08:48 AM
Compare the price of the 2.16 GHz 15" MBP and the 2.16 GHz 17" MBP. Both $2,799.00 but the 17" has more HDD, FW 800, dual layer etc...

The people having paid the extra money for the 2.16 GHz upgrade for the 15" must be p:ssed real bad! :eek: :p

Now give me a 12" or 13.3" and I'm happy.

I got the 2.16 upgrade, and I'm not p:ssed. For one thing the 2 -> 2.16 is really a psychological upgrade more than a performace upgrade; the price-to-real-performance-gain is out of whack. So, more than anything, I was just making myself happy by having the fastest processor available ( :D I can admit the real reason I got the upgrade).

The second thing is that I want a 15" screen, not a 17" screen. The 17" MBP is too big for me. The 15" is the best balance of size vs. screen real estate (for me). I can't get mad about the 17" being available, because I don't want one.

Photorun
Apr 24, 2006, 08:48 AM
Says $2599 for ED Discount on Apple site....

Are you also a developer?

sunfast
Apr 24, 2006, 08:49 AM
disappointed when they just stuff a core solo in the current ibook design). :)

How bad would that be! :mad:

kiwi-in-uk
Apr 24, 2006, 08:49 AM
I think OS X deserves more consideration than calling it "some other stuff"!
Personally I agree (I regularly have to fix up 4 x XP boxes that the family uses) but others around here might not - I thought it might have been a distraction from the main point that similarly configured MacBook Pro is not significantly more expensive than a Dell and depending on what your priorities are you might perceive the Mac as less expensive.

brett_x
Apr 24, 2006, 08:50 AM
FW 800 woohoo

Ditto. Glad to see FW800. I already chewed out our Apple rep for not having it on the 15". Hopefully we will see that change in the next rev.

pincho
Apr 24, 2006, 08:51 AM
Poor 12". You deserved a 120GB option and DL a long time ago.

But now, at least you are the master of your domain. :D
lol the one thing i think that really edges out the 'professionalism' of the 12" to its older brothers is digital audio out/in, i hope the new revision brings it :D

bigandy
Apr 24, 2006, 08:51 AM
i'm drooling. i'm actually drooling.

abzfigo99
Apr 24, 2006, 08:51 AM
Does the 17" model come with the free whine too? :p

shabbasuraj
Apr 24, 2006, 08:53 AM
FW 800....

ahhh..................................



end of story.

besiktas jk
Apr 24, 2006, 08:53 AM
Hey...The 17-inch powerbooks have been removed from the store :)

So. as laptops, there are only ibook 12", ibook 14" and powerbook 12" left with PPC processors waiting for their successors.

BenRoethig
Apr 24, 2006, 08:53 AM
I doubt that "Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives," especially since most Windows laptops sell for less than $800.

In your statement, you're describing one part of the high-end market. There are still companies like Sony and Lenovo that make $2500+ laptops with no internal DVD drives.

Companies make trade-offs with every computer they produce. I think Apple should have gone for the dual-layer burners in the 15", but it's hardly as simple as saying that that is the only reasonable choice. I am glad they chose the 8x dual-layer drives for the 17".

The $800 laptops do have the DL DVD burner. The $600 ones come with a combo drive. Apple's tradeoffs are in favor of looks, size, and weight. It's going to be more expensive and not have some of the features the PC ntoebooks do, but it wins hands down on portability and design.

brett_x
Apr 24, 2006, 08:54 AM
I see
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB of GDDR3
and
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB of GDDR3

Does this mean
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 64MB of GDDR3

for the 13.3' Macbook? :P
A man can dream....

I'd be surprised to see the X1600 in their consumer portable. They have to make some drastic distinctions between their pro and consumer lines. Graphics seems to be a logical place to do that since most people don't *need* a great graphics chipset. (Keep dreaming.)

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 08:54 AM
FW 800....

ahhh..................................



end of story.

Where did all the FireWire 800 haters go...

icloud
Apr 24, 2006, 08:55 AM
17" LAPTOP!!
How fat are we getting in this country

No the vibe i'm getting is alot of us (myself included) are waiting for the macbook to be released. Being a 12' powerbook owner, can't imagine moving to such a large laptop in the mobility sense, unless you really need it as a desktop replacement or on-the-go-pro work.

UberMac
Apr 24, 2006, 08:56 AM
Where did all the FireWire 800 haters go...

Clearly they went with the firewire 800 port on the 15"...

ro2nie
Apr 24, 2006, 08:58 AM
So. as laptops, there are only ibook 12", ibook 14" and powerbook 12" left with PPC processors waiting for their successors.


Who would buy one of them? Lol :D

rxse7en
Apr 24, 2006, 08:59 AM
Again, I keep adding the 17" to my cart at the Apple Store and then taking it out. I want a new 'book, but I have to wait for Adobe to release a UB version of CS so I might as well wait for the Merom procs, no? I can't stand this! Unless of course, Apple decided to socket the Yonah procs in the 17", I could then upgrade the proc later. Someone needs to crack that case now and find out!

B

X_Entity
Apr 24, 2006, 09:00 AM
Awesome. Time to dust off the credit card.

JRM PowerPod
Apr 24, 2006, 09:00 AM
Poor 12". You deserved a 120GB option and DL a long time ago.

But now, at least you are the master of your domain. :D

Thinkin about it i've had my 1.5Ghz 12 incher for over a year now with no real updates. I never thought that my powerbook would become the king of all powerbooks especially after buying 15 months ago.

LONG LIVE THE POWERBOOK!!!

steelfist
Apr 24, 2006, 09:02 AM
hope the price will go down to the old pricing of the powerbooks, 1599 for bottom 15 inch, 1999 for the 17 inch

ro2nie
Apr 24, 2006, 09:02 AM
17" LAPTOP!!
How fat are we getting in this country

No the vibe i'm getting is alot of us (myself included) are waiting for the macbook to be released. Being a 12' powerbook owner, can't imagine moving to such a large laptop in the mobility sense, unless you really need it as a desktop replacement or on-the-go-pro work.

I'd like a 20" MacBook Pro :p

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 09:04 AM
Thinkin about it i've had my 1.5Ghz 12 incher for over a year now with no real updates. I never thought that my powerbook would become the king of all powerbooks especially after buying 15 months ago.

LONG LIVE THE POWERBOOK!!!

Lol! Yes, it's a miracle. Baby brother finally wins.

JGowan
Apr 24, 2006, 09:05 AM
Who gives a rats ass about a 17in Macbook Pro. unless you have 2800.00 to blow. Damn you Steve give me my Macbook!!!!!(In Black Preferably)You really can't blame Apple...

People want new INTEL portables...

The majority want the updated iBook but you can't offer that first 'cause the majority would buy that and forget the more expensive ones. Better to offer them last.

You also, don't want to offer the 17" MacBook first, 'cause it's still pretty high and the people who would buy a high unit, just might upgrade this one when you finally do bring it out. Plus, those waiting for an iBook will never think about upgrading to something so lush. They'll wait it out till you bring on the iBooks.

You offer the 15" MacBook pro right out of the shute and the Gotta-havers will jump on immediately just because they want to try the whole Intel thing. Also, you have a chance to convert some of those waiting for iBooks and just decide to bite the bullet and get the low-end MacBook Pro.

Executed perfectly, if you ask me.

Plus, something I guarantee you...

There will be some extra something specials (and not just color) that only the iBook (MacBook?) will have -- it will be cheap enough I bet that some owners of the new Pro line will say "Hhhhmmm.... I'm gonna get one of these too for knock-about use just so I can do (have) X, Y and Z."

shabbasuraj
Apr 24, 2006, 09:05 AM
In the Apple Store it states 3 USB pors... on the Apple hardware/hompage it states 2 USB ports...? WTF?

again... FW800...oooooooooo aahhhhhhh...oooo...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

chabig
Apr 24, 2006, 09:05 AM
Another thing to consider for those comparing the MBPs to Windows laptops--how many open RAM slots do the Windows machines have? The MBP in its standard configuration of 1GB RAM has an open slot. In fact, you can save $100 if you are willing to buy the machine with 2 512MB DIMMs instead of the standard, single, 1GB DIMM.

Chris

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 09:06 AM
Another Dell comparison, the Inspiron 9400 prices out to $2498 with the lower rez screen, the upgrade to higher resolution is $119. That's with only 100 baseT and I'm not sure what FW it has if any.

Apple's laptop pricing is looking good on the high end, it would be nice to see a drop on the 15's, and hopefully they'll have at least one seriously budget config of the macbook when it's released.

I would also like to see a higher resolution available as an option for the 17.

Macmaniac
Apr 24, 2006, 09:06 AM
I see
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB of GDDR3
and
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB of GDDR3

Does this mean
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 64MB of GDDR3

for the 13.3' Macbook? :P
A man can dream....
Nope the dream will die, the smaller MacBook is going to have integrated graphics, its going to be some Intel 9450, and everyone is going to bitch about it. So lets get it over with, integrated graphics will be in the small MacBook:(

Lollypop
Apr 24, 2006, 09:06 AM
very nice! Nice price as well.... was hoping for a bit more inovation, this is very like the 17" it replaces, except with a intel processor.

Temujin
Apr 24, 2006, 09:08 AM
me too. i have a G4 12" powerbook and it's getting slower by the day almost.

How fast is your PB? Get more ram!

steelfist
Apr 24, 2006, 09:10 AM
verne troyer would love to have a 20 inch macbook pro

wahgnube
Apr 24, 2006, 09:10 AM
oh wow, i know it's been practically beaten to death BUT...

15" MBP with 2.16GHz Core Duo and 120GB harddrive (both standard on 17")-- $2659

17" MBP-- $2599

granted this in the education store, but wow, what a steal...you save $60 by getting an extra 2" of screen size, another USB port, FW800, and an 8x Superdrive.'

Do you fail to see the 17" is over a pound heavier and almost 7 pounds? People have different needs. Some of them prefer to lug smaller machines around, and lack of FireWire 800 is not the end of the world to them.

generik
Apr 24, 2006, 09:11 AM
Only the 12" G4 remains... it's so lonely... :(

I really wonder what will happen to the 12", will it just disappear when the MB is released? Or will there actually be a small Pro model?

ImAlwaysRight
Apr 24, 2006, 09:12 AM
Geeze, some of you people are never, ever going to be satisfied.

Apple comes out with a new product, and I see a large number of you screaming because there's no 13.3" MacBook out yet. Would you rather they release it now with all sorts of bugs and a massive backorder? Or would you like them to take their time, do it right, and then release it?

You're probably the same people who will complain when the MacBook DOES come out and it has crappy video card, as it's expected to have.
And some people just like to complain about people who complain. :rolleyes:

shabbasuraj
Apr 24, 2006, 09:13 AM
hope the price will go down to the old pricing of the powerbooks, 1599 for bottom 15 inch, 1999 for the 17 inch

17" G4 PB is gone from the store... refurb only now...

FireArse
Apr 24, 2006, 09:13 AM
I remember all thr rumours of Apple dropping FW800 support. This is a nice suprise - well done and thanks for maintaning support.

Either they listened to people bitch about going backwards - or they were looking through these forums thinking "But its coming in the 17!!!"

Either way - FW800 is welcomed especially when its obviously gaining in support and use. It helps when the FW800 caddies are coming down in price :)

F

sixstorm
Apr 24, 2006, 09:13 AM
I've always thought that the 17" PowerBook was way too big for my taste but hey, if you don't have a desktop Mac, get this one and big happy with it. I'll be waiting to get a 13" MacBook later down the road! :D

Postal
Apr 24, 2006, 09:14 AM
17" ??? Get an external monitor for goodness sake. :p

That's not always practical! For example, every bit of extra space is precious if you live in an apartment. Depending on your habits, a 17" MacBook Pro could be your desktop, laptop, and TV all in one. In turn, a pro may need as much extra screen space as possible when away from the office.

Also, there's certainly a geek bling quotient that applies to a 17" MBP. It has the same screen resolution as a 20" Cinema Display; it has two processor cores; it can boot OS X, Windows, and even Linux. What self-respecting geek wouldn't want that?

drastik
Apr 24, 2006, 09:15 AM
And some people just like to complain about people who complain. :rolleyes:

This is fun, it reminds me of the old days of Macrumors, whem we were arguing about the lack of a superdrive in the TiBooks.

Ok, I'll go back to be an old foggey slurping coffe out of my Macrumors mug.

Temujin
Apr 24, 2006, 09:15 AM
Does the 17" model come with the free whine too? :p

No, you will have to ad that on your own, as has many other users done before. Just do a search ;)

200paul
Apr 24, 2006, 09:18 AM
Does the 17" model come with the free whine too? :p

Here here to that!!!!

All these people drooling better step back, gather a breath and remeber the tragedy that is the 15" MacBook Pro. The bad thermal connectors, the WHINE, the pieces falling off, the poorly constructed cases!

Apple's cool in all but lets make sure they aren't pricing these to move because they are based on the same poor design of the 15" and they got to get rid of them so they can a push a rev B out before anyone files a class action suit.

-P

Demon Hunter
Apr 24, 2006, 09:18 AM
It's the same processor... so I imagine it will produce the same first degree burns.

Temujin
Apr 24, 2006, 09:20 AM
It's the same processor... so I imagine it will produce the same first degree burns.

Well it now has a bigger surface to put all that heat. So might be cooler.

munkle
Apr 24, 2006, 09:20 AM
And some people just like to complain about people who complain. :rolleyes:

The irony is just too much...;)

JGowan
Apr 24, 2006, 09:22 AM
With Apple knowing that you've either been waiting for this top-o-the-line portable or you've not, I suspect we'll see another introduction/update of some other service/product in the next few days that's quite affordable... maybe new iPods or something of the like.

dornoforpyros
Apr 24, 2006, 09:24 AM
ohhh only $3,300 Canadian....I don't think my first car was that much :p

corywoolf
Apr 24, 2006, 09:26 AM
Sooooo tempting! Will wait for Merom in August/September as long as it stays on target.

Something tells me that it will be another classic waiting game on the merom with apple. I bet November rolls around and they announce it and then don't ship until January '07. The merom is going to be a rev. a product too, so it could have issues like some MBP users have already had (not me). I say, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

mox358
Apr 24, 2006, 09:27 AM
A very nice machine at at an even nicer price.

Unfortunately I don't have the desire to lug that beast around otherwise I'd be very, very excited right now. Very good to see FW 800 alive and well too.

Ashapalan
Apr 24, 2006, 09:28 AM
Thinkin about it i've had my 1.5Ghz 12 incher for over a year now with no real updates. I never thought that my powerbook would become the king of all powerbooks especially after buying 15 months ago.

LONG LIVE THE POWERBOOK!!!

same here!

We have yet to go through the 'i should have waited' stage, and by now it's too late anyway since a year seems perfectly acceptable to have had a 'new' 12"er.

there was only that price cut.

avensis087
Apr 24, 2006, 09:30 AM
looks simply stunning. i wouldn't be surprised to see a quiet revision of the 15' MBP by the time the MacBook comes out. either way, bravo apple.

mr

MacSA
Apr 24, 2006, 09:32 AM
Is this the first time we've had a major product like this released on a Monday? Very nice price by the way.

corywoolf
Apr 24, 2006, 09:33 AM
Here here to that!!!!

All these people drooling better step back, gather a breath and remeber the tragedy that is the 15" MacBook Pro. The bad thermal connectors, the WHINE, the pieces falling off, the poorly constructed cases!

Apple's cool in all but lets make sure they aren't pricing these to move because they are based on the same poor design of the 15" and they got to get rid of them so they can a push a rev B out before anyone files a class action suit.

-P

I think this is a gross exageration of the amount of people effected. I have had my 1.83 MBP for a month and have had no issues. I love this computer and know Apple did a good job constructing them. I think you are just trying to talk yourself out of buying a current MBP, which is fine. The rev. B's (merom) could have just as many problems as the rev. A's. Can't wait to see the same folks who are waiting for rev. B, wait for rev. C. There is always going to be a newer, nicer, cooler product to replace your 6 month old machine, and unless you like to constantly buy and sell your mac and make up for the loss in cash, you're just going to have to look forward to rev. E.

jonharris200
Apr 24, 2006, 09:34 AM
Monday... I was wondering that too.

j-a-x
Apr 24, 2006, 09:34 AM
Nice, but the next laptop I'll get will probably be an intel 12" or 13" or something else small and new...

puckhead193
Apr 24, 2006, 09:34 AM
cool but c'mon i would like to see an update in Final Cut Studio... maybe at WWDC:confused: as i want to get either a rev Bimac or PM for this...

bodeh6
Apr 24, 2006, 09:35 AM
So. as laptops, there are only ibook 12", ibook 14" and powerbook 12" left with PPC processors waiting for their successors.

You mean Successor (no S). I predict these 3 laptops will all be replaced by the 13.3" model and ala the 15" will come in 2 versions.

I was gonna get a 15" MBP in a couple of years, but I say screw that and give me my 17". That thing is a relative bargin.

atari1356
Apr 24, 2006, 09:36 AM
On Apple's website it says that the 15" MacBook Pro has a display that's 67% brighter than the previous one... and the 17" one is 36% brighter than the previous.

So, what does the mean? Is the 15" display brighter than the 17" one? Or, was the old 17" display brighter to begin with, so they're about the same now?

Nice machine, but I'm going to wait until Merom - maybe even longer. My 1.5GHz 15" is still fast enough for most of what I do.

Peace
Apr 24, 2006, 09:37 AM
Glad to see the 17" came out..
There is a caveat though if you read the specs page :

2.16GHz Intel Core Duo(1)

"1. The MacBook Pro continuously monitors system thermal and power conditions, and may adjust processor speed as needed to maintain optimal system operation."




So if it gets too hot the CPU will slow down.

sartinsauce
Apr 24, 2006, 09:38 AM
Wow, cool beans, way to go Apple!

There's something I haven't seen anyone mention yet...

TS predicted this a week ago. Remember than next time you talk trash about TS. I know they've made some erroneous predictions in the past, and I know that the sun even shines on a dog's a** once in while. Nevertheless, give those cats a little credit for breaking a story...

50548
Apr 24, 2006, 09:41 AM
Glad to see the 17" came out..
There is a caveat though if you read the specs page :

2.16GHz Intel Core Duo(1)

"1. The MacBook Pro continuously monitors system thermal and power conditions, and may adjust processor speed as needed to maintain optimal system operation."




So if it gets too hot the CPU will slow down.

Well, it has always been like that, so this is no surprise.

Once more Apple leads on...the MBP 17" is simply THE most powerful real notebook ever...

NO PC comes close with its 1-inch enclosure, DL drive, powerful GPU, iSight, FR and FW800...a stunning machine!

Go eat some crow, Dell/Sony/Toshiba crappies!!!

I just wish I could get one...

GO APPLE!

Multimedia
Apr 24, 2006, 09:42 AM
Well that is a pleasant - sigh - relief. I thought I was gonna have a cow yesterday. I guess they wanted to pretend there was nothing to talk about when they could simply reveal the secret today when the show opens. I must say the FW800 port makes a huge difference. I still don't understand why it's not in the 15" model when it was before. Perhaps they got a lot of heat for not including it in the January model that was already in stone and added the FW800 as an afterthought?

The Apple site appears to be swamped. :)

Three USB2 Ports is a nice addition. Of course one of those may be where you have to stick the USB modem when you're in the boonies or at grandmas house. ;)

Nevertheless, this seems to be what the pro market needs on the port front. I'm seriously tempted to pull the trigger. What do you think Alden Shaw? :D

You guys on the East Coast have all the fun setting all the post precedents. I just got up and this thing is already at #163 and the 17" at NAB? string is up to #264. :D Now how do we get these strings to come together? ;)

slffl
Apr 24, 2006, 09:43 AM
Please let the screen open to at least the same as the current 17" G4s. I took back the 15" MBP because of the horrible viewing angle while on my lap caused by the smaller display opening (yes i know this is fine for some people).

QPlot
Apr 24, 2006, 09:46 AM
ye, I guess the only thing I'm gonna wine from now on is the price then. :eek:

whens the 13" come out? can't wait, I wish they can take back some feature and lower the cheap price, ex hard drive size. LOL, can't wait running windows on mac, then not speaking of the battery, I'm 100% freedom on the road.

Peace
Apr 24, 2006, 09:46 AM
Well, it has always been like that, so this is no surprise.

Once more Apple leads on...the MBP 17" is simply THE most powerful real notebook ever...

NO PC comes close with its 1-inch enclosure, DL drive, powerful GPU, iSight, FR and FW800...a stunning machine!

Go eat some crow, Dell/Sony/Toshiba crappies!!!

I just wish I could get one...

GO APPLE!


Ahhh.Don't get me wrong.I LIKE IT!..wish I could afford one..

It looks like it will be probably the best Windows laptop out :D

Bern
Apr 24, 2006, 09:46 AM
And some people just like to complain about people who complain. :rolleyes:

Hello?! :confused: :rolleyes:

bodeh6
Apr 24, 2006, 09:47 AM
Plus the size and weight of the 17" MBP is almost the same size has PC 15.4" laptops.

Case in point, brothers

Dell Inspiron 8600
14.1" x 10.8" x 1.4" 7.3 lbs

17" Apple MacBook Pro
15.4" x 10.4" x 1.0" 6.8 lbs

MBP is smaller in every dimension except width where it is only 1.3" bigger.

Overall volume the MBP is smaller too (160.16 vs 213.19)

50548
Apr 24, 2006, 09:50 AM
Plus the size and weight of the 17" MBP is almost the same size has PC 15.4" laptops.

Case in point, brothers

Dell Inspiron 8600
14.1" x 10.8" x 1.4" 7.3 lbs

17" Apple MacBook Pro
15.4" x 10.4" x 1.0" 6.8 lbs

MBP is smaller in every dimension except width where it is only 1.3" bigger.

Overall volume the MBP is smaller too (160.16 vs 213.19)

No I wonder again...how COME people voted negative for this news?

The 17" MBP is just the best machine out there, for those who need such a size...it is THE most powerful OS X mobile machine, and THE most powerful Windows mobile machine.

The feature list is just wonderful, and the price point perfect...another amazing feat by Apple.

dornoforpyros
Apr 24, 2006, 09:52 AM
Is this the first time we've had a major product like this released on a Monday? Very nice price by the way.

I hope apple releases the next Macbooks on a thursday, just to put an end to the tuesday excitment/dissapointment every week

MovieCutter
Apr 24, 2006, 09:55 AM
Well that is a pleasant - sigh - relief. I thought I was gonna have a cow yesterday. I guess they wanted to pretend there was nothing to talk about when they could simply reveal the secret today when the show opens. I must say the FW800 port makes a huge difference. I still don't understand why it's not in the 15" model when it was before. Perhaps they got a lot of heat for not including it in the January model that was already in stone and added the FW800 as an afterthought?

The Apple site appears to be swamped. :)

Three USB2 Ports is a nice addition. Of course one of those may be where you have to stick the USB modem when you're in the boonies or at grandmas house. ;)

Nevertheless, this seems to be what the pro market needs on the port front. I'm seriously tempted to pull the trigger. What do you think Alden Shaw? :D

You guys on the East Coast have all the fun setting all the post precedents. I just got up and this thing is already at #163 and the 17" at NAB? string is up to #264. :D Now how do we get these strings to come together? ;)

Already ordered mine...now I just gotta get rid of my 15".

menziep
Apr 24, 2006, 09:55 AM
Great but im waiting for MacBooks (iBook)

Krevnik
Apr 24, 2006, 09:56 AM
The tech specs page has been updated and claims 5.5 hours battery for the 17". The 15" info has also been entered and claims 4.5 hours. I get 2.5 hours max on my 15" MBP... anyone get better than that?

I tend to get 3.5-4 hours during normal tasks. 2-2.5 hours is normal if I am grinding video with brightness at max though.

iamhammill
Apr 24, 2006, 09:56 AM
The price of the 17" seems like a good indication that our Macbooks are going to be fairly inexpensive. I'm thinking we could def see one in the $1000-$1200 range.

Benjamin
Apr 24, 2006, 09:57 AM
Looks great, but todays monday what gives?! :eek:

supremedesigner
Apr 24, 2006, 09:59 AM
And some people just like to complain about people who complain. :rolleyes:

LOL!! That's true. It's fun to watch them complaining while I'm eatin' popcorn and soda :) Sometime it'll come out of my nose when I see something extreme! haha

bodeh6
Apr 24, 2006, 10:00 AM
Even the newer 15.4" Inspiron E1505 is bigger but a tad lighter
14" x 10.45" x 1.44" 6.18 lbs

volume 210.672 cu in.

Don't even think of comparing it to 17" PC laptops. They are far bigger.

This is the ultimate laptop and it can run OS X and Windows. So you can have the ultimate productivity and OS (OS X) and a gaming machine (XP).

SC68Cal
Apr 24, 2006, 10:02 AM
As if I bank account could even handle the price tag :(
Looks like an absolutely stunning machine. I can't wait to see it in person at the Apple Store

I wish I wasn't poor.

Multimedia
Apr 24, 2006, 10:02 AM
Is this the first time we've had a major product like this released on a Monday? Very nice price by the way.Maybe they figured the stock would move more if they blew off the sunday press conference and made all the BUZZ Monday morning instead. Sure is tempting.

Can I really wait for Merom now that my FW800 fetish has been satisfied but not my Expresscard/54 desire? 3 USB2 ports is sure an improvement. (teeth gnashing - not in anger but in confusion). :confused:

I'm conflicted between my intellectual desire for Merom and my emotional desire for NOW! :eek: :p

jacobj
Apr 24, 2006, 10:06 AM
Is this the first time we've had a major product like this released on a Monday? Very nice price by the way.

That's because the MacBook is coming out tomorrow and they didn't want to steal any of its thunder by releasing the 17" MBP on the same day ;):eek: :D

iSee
Apr 24, 2006, 10:06 AM
Here here to that!!!!

All these people drooling better step back, gather a breath and remeber the tragedy that is the 15" MacBook Pro. The bad thermal connectors, the WHINE, the pieces falling off, the poorly constructed cases!

Apple's cool in all but lets make sure they aren't pricing these to move because they are based on the same poor design of the 15" and they got to get rid of them so they can a push a rev B out before anyone files a class action suit.

-P

Tragedy!??? :confused: I've got a 15" MBP and it's the best computer I've ever owned. I guess I could just be lucky, but my MBP isn't suffering from any of the problems I've seen listed here. But the case is definitely well constructed.

I say drool away, aircraft carrier lovers :D :D :D

Cinch
Apr 24, 2006, 10:08 AM
Even the newer 15.4" Inspiron E1505 is bigger but a tad lighter
14" x 10.45" x 1.44" 6.18 lbs

volume 210.672 cu in.

Don't even think of comparing it to 17" PC laptops. They are far bigger.

This is the ultimate laptop and it can run OS X and Windows. So you can have the ultimate productivity and OS (OS X) and a gaming machine (XP).

Have you seen the new Dell XPS Ultimate laptop? It looks like they hire the designing team from a motorcross bike manufacture to design their laptop. And to think this thing is comparable in price to the MBP 17". http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_xpsnb_m1710?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Cinch

Sideonecincy
Apr 24, 2006, 10:10 AM
This may have already been mentioned but I didnt scroll through 8 pages.

The 17" is $60 cheaper than the 15" for a bto with an upgraded processor, hard drive (for the 15") and apple care (plus edu discount

iSee
Apr 24, 2006, 10:12 AM
Ahhh.Don't get me wrong.I LIKE IT!..wish I could afford one..

It looks like it will be probably the best Windows laptop out :D

:mad: That's not funny. Don't even joke about it. Where's the hit-the-other-poster-on-the-head emote? :mad: ;)

odedia
Apr 24, 2006, 10:12 AM
Mine.

Mine.


:)

Peace
Apr 24, 2006, 10:13 AM
:mad: That's not funny. Don't even joke about it. Where's the hit-the-other-poster-on-the-head emote? :mad: ;)


Sorry chap..I know it's not funny but it IS a reality.;)

BGil
Apr 24, 2006, 10:13 AM
No I wonder again...how COME people voted negative for this news?

The 17" MBP is just the best machine out there, for those who need such a size...it is THE most powerful OS X mobile machine, and THE most powerful Windows mobile machine.

The feature list is just wonderful, and the price point perfect...another amazing feat by Apple.


I don't see how you can say it's the most powerful windows machine:
Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2600 (2.16GHz/667MHz FSB)
Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
LCD Panel 17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display with TrueLife™
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
10/100 Network Card and Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0
Combo/DVD+RW Drives 8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
Wireless Networking Cards Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
Primary Battery 53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Hardware Warranty 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr HW Warranty Support
Wireless Personal Networking Card Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal(2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition re-installation CD
Remote Control for Windows XP Media Center Edition
Dell Digital Entertainment Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience

1,920.00 with coupon code ZRFVGS97PK1F1?

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=16029949
And numerous other companies sell PC's with A64 X2's and Pentium D's.

You can get notebooks with SLI and dual internal hard drives now.

twoodcc
Apr 24, 2006, 10:18 AM
I don't see how you can say it's the most powerful windows machine:
Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2600 (2.16GHz/667MHz FSB)
Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
LCD Panel 17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display with TrueLife™
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
10/100 Network Card and Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0
Combo/DVD+RW Drives 8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
Wireless Networking Cards Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
Primary Battery 53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Hardware Warranty 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr HW Warranty Support
Wireless Personal Networking Card Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal(2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition re-installation CD
Remote Control for Windows XP Media Center Edition
Dell Digital Entertainment Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience

1,920.00 with coupon code ZRFVGS97PK1F1?

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=16029949
And numerous other companies sell PC's with A64 X2's and Pentium D's.

You can get notebooks with SLI and dual internal hard drives now.

but that's not a laptop. it's a "mobile desktop"

Cerebrum
Apr 24, 2006, 10:19 AM
I've seen that a 17 inch is not necessary unless you require the power of a destop PC that can be fit in a bag, or if you just like the high end specifications on an unusually large LCD laptop. But people enjoy carrying a 17 inch laptop, but I can never see myself doing that (I have back problems). Maybe if you're a video editor and need to take your work with you, or if you are a serious gamer, things like these would probably excuse you for having such a large screen.

I own a 15 inch PB with a 1.67 G4 processor, and when Apple switched to Intel, I lost respect for Apple, not completely, but some was lost. I always enjoyed keeping my systems separated, I have a PC and I have my PB, I like them to be separated (at least 3 feet).

Personally I like having the super high end features on a desktop machine. My PC will always beat any Powerbook or Macbook Pro ever made because of how much expandability options I have with it, and how much cheaper I can get it for. I always thought of laptops as...mobile productivity machines, but today, it is more than that. Laptops, amongs both PCs and Macs, these have become so huge that well, I can't call them laptop sometimes. Macs keep the slim profile, which I guess saves them from being the 12+ pound beasts some PC laptops are, but i'm sure we're not too far from Mac creating even heavier beasts as the years pass.

In regards to Apple releasing their new 17 Inch MBP, well..I wouldn't buy it for the same reasons I wouldn't buy a 15 inch MBP. They all have things I like and things I don't like. On my PB I use FW800 all the time with my external 600GB HD. I don't like Intel processors on Macs, I loved how the G line of processors was original, and now, they are nothing more than pretty looking PC laptops (Which seems to be one of the main reasons why people buy them sometimes). Oh yes, I said it. When Boot Camp came out, most of my hardcore Mac-loving friends went into a coma, to this day they refuse to snap out of it. Everyone knew that you could install XP on Intel-based Macs, and hacking it was fun, but now that Apple extended it's arm and said "Hey buddy, let me give you a hand at making our already crappy MacBook Pros crappier," it just makes me now complain rather than praise that I can hack Windows onto the MBP. While the iSight is inviting to have built in, I like the external one. It lets me move it around where I please. If I wanna show my friends my cool new....fridge...?....I don't have to move the laptop around and look stupid to my neighbors as they look at me through the window. The Intel processors are much faster, yes, but if I wanted fast intel processors, i'd buy a PC laptop, which i've owned about 3. I like the somewhat faster RAM, the new video card, but well, those are things that really aren't too essential for me, I'm upgrading my PB RAM to 2 gigs this summer, that should be enough. And also, I like the name "PowerBook" "MacBook Pro" sounds like something Jobs made up as he was in the crapper. I hate that name, it's not catchy at all.

In conclusion, I like the G processors (LONG LIVE THE G!!), I like my moveable iSight, and I like to have a laptop, not a 17 inch surfboard. Of course, most of you may disagree with me, and if you saw me on the street you'd stone me, but hey, at least I have a G processor.

Oh and uh...17 inch MBP...nice. Wouldn't buy it, but nice.

Those are my 2 cents.

- C.M.Sevilla

P.S. I apologize for the lengthy post, but I could keep quiet no longer!

bodeh6
Apr 24, 2006, 10:20 AM
....
You can get notebooks with SLI and dual internal hard drives now.

I wouldn't call those laptops... The MBP while not as extreme as the most high end PC laptops like the Dell XPS M1707, or Alienware, is still plenty powerful and all in a compact light package.

tny
Apr 24, 2006, 10:21 AM
is the 17" thicker than the 15" ??
Cause the reason why they didn't put double layer into the 15" was thickness issues, right?
Anyone know ? :confused:

According to Dave Schroeder's posting on /., the trackpad and the DVD-+R/RW DL can't be stacked within 1", so there wasn't enough room in the 15" case. They don't have to be stacked with the wider 17" case.

BlizzardBomb
Apr 24, 2006, 10:21 AM
I'd like a 20" MacBook Pro :p

You might want to check the Apple Store again! It's right there! Yeah, it's called an iMac. :D

Whistleway
Apr 24, 2006, 10:25 AM
These look darn nice.. Wow.

DKZ
Apr 24, 2006, 10:26 AM
but that's not a laptop. it's a "mobile desktop"

So is a 17" MBP.

iHeartTheApple
Apr 24, 2006, 10:26 AM
8x SD *and* FW800 is back...woohoo! Well played, Apple!!! :D That's going to be tough to beat...I may not move down to a smaller lappy after all...I may just trade my 17" PB up for this sexy beast!

MovieCutter
Apr 24, 2006, 10:27 AM
I don't see how you can say it's the most powerful windows machine:
Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2600 (2.16GHz/667MHz FSB)
Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
LCD Panel 17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display with TrueLife™
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
100GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
10/100 Network Card and Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0
Combo/DVD+RW Drives 8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
Wireless Networking Cards Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
Primary Battery 53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Hardware Warranty 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr HW Warranty Support
Wireless Personal Networking Card Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal(2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition re-installation CD
Remote Control for Windows XP Media Center Edition
Dell Digital Entertainment Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience

1,920.00 with coupon code ZRFVGS97PK1F1?

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=16029949
And numerous other companies sell PC's with A64 X2's and Pentium D's.

You can get notebooks with SLI and dual internal hard drives now.

Good for you...you have fun with that. I on the other hand will be enjoying running Final Cut Pro and iLife 06, not to mention OSX on my 6.8lbs 1" thick 17" MacBook Pro with firewire800, Front Row, built-in camera and 5 hour battery life.

nicksoper
Apr 24, 2006, 10:34 AM
Just wondering why the New 17inch macbook is £430/$766 more expensive in the UK than it in the states?

They are not made in the states, or go via the states when they are shipped are they? So it's not a geographical cost. Why the extra cost? or are English mac users just richer or prepared to pay more?

Slightly anooying for digital art students like me. Its almost worth flying to New York to get one from an apple store.

nicksoper
Apr 24, 2006, 10:35 AM
Just wondering why the New 17inch macbook is £430/$766 more expensive in the UK than it in the states?

They are not made in the states, or go via the states when they are shipped are they? So it's not a geographical cost. Why the extra cost? or are English mac users just richer or prepared to pay more?

Slightly anooying for digital art students like me. Its almost worth flying to New York to get one from an apple store.


Oh and I am super glad about FW 800 returning, the supposed 5.5 hour battery life and the 3 USB ports.

paddy
Apr 24, 2006, 10:35 AM
Again another rip off for Apples European user base. Its costing €2929 or $3614 for the bare bones 17" model. Come on Apple, I know we have higher taxes and all that but how do you justify almost a $1000 increase??

:mad:

Bubbasteve
Apr 24, 2006, 10:36 AM
i want one!!!!! alas, i will be getting a plain macbook, which wasnt released. hmpf:(
And there's nothing wrong with that

joeboy_45101
Apr 24, 2006, 10:37 AM
This is great news and all, but is it just me or is anybody else beginning to think that $2799 is way to much to be spending on a notebook. Why is Apple not doing anything to make their machines more affordable? Apple's marketing department needs to ditch the archaic pricing schemes and start making these things priced to sell. I could understand $1799 or even $1999, but not $2799. With a pricing scheme like this who needs enemies like Dell, HP, or Microsoft.

ImAlwaysRight
Apr 24, 2006, 10:38 AM
There's something I haven't seen anyone mention yet...

TS predicted this a week ago. Remember than next time you talk trash about TS. I know they've made some erroneous predictions in the past, and I know that the sun even shines on a dog's a** once in while. Nevertheless, give those cats a little credit for breaking a story...
I guess no one's mentioned that because AppleInsider was the first to break the story (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1681). TS ran their article (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0604nabmbp17.html) later in the day and had this to say:

Sources have also speculated that the 17-inch MacBook Pro will ship with a 2.16GHz Core Duo processor and an option to upgrade to the yet-unannounced 2.33GHz Core Duo processor.

Well, I don't see a 2.33GHz option, do you? So TS is wrong ONCE AGAIN. :rolleyes: It seems TS took AI's information and then speculated that since the 2.33 processor had been announced by Intel that Apple would be using that as a 17" upgrade, but they were wrong.

For the time being, I'll stick to AI for my rumors, thank you very much.

Seasought
Apr 24, 2006, 10:39 AM
I'm just thankful I'm not in the market for needing a new Mac laptop currently. This make me even more curious as to what the regular Macbooks will be specced like (as well as price).

nomore
Apr 24, 2006, 10:40 AM
I've placed my order :D

Now I just need to buy some extra RAM

nomore
Apr 24, 2006, 10:41 AM
This is great news and all, but is it just me or is anybody else beginning to think that $2799 is way to much to be spending on a notebook. Why is Apple not doing anything to make their machines more affordable? Apple's marketing department needs to ditch the archaic pricing schemes and start making these things priced to sell. I could understand $1799 or even $1999, but not $2799. With a pricing scheme like this who needs enemies like Dell, HP, or Microsoft.

Build quality.

schinnadorai
Apr 24, 2006, 10:41 AM
Hopefully they are going to release a new iBook (MacBook) soon. I'm still using a pc beacause i'm waiting for the macbooks to arrive. What is taking them so long. Surely the iBook is in more demand than another screen size of the MacBook Pro.

QCassidy352
Apr 24, 2006, 10:45 AM
On Apple's website it says that the 15" MacBook Pro has a display that's 67% brighter than the previous one... and the 17" one is 36% brighter than the previous.

So, what does the mean? Is the 15" display brighter than the 17" one? Or, was the old 17" display brighter to begin with, so they're about the same now?

Yes, the last generation 17" G4 had increased screen brightness, but the last generation 15" did not. So without actually doing the math (because I don't know the numbers), I'd guess it's quite likely that they are exactly even now (300 cd/m2) whereas the 17" was brighter when they were G4s.

4God
Apr 24, 2006, 10:46 AM
ATTN:

Hey Everybody!
Dont Buy until Revision B!!!


:D


Yeah, I was wondering if these 17 inchers will come with that whine noise that became so unpopular? :rolleyes:

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 10:47 AM
No, you will have to ad that on your own, as has many other users done before. Just do a search ;)

Sadly, I wish you could say that for sure. But we won't know if the 17 has noise problems until it ships and we hear reports on it.

It's the same processor... so I imagine it will produce the same first degree burns.

Hopefully not. Not all 15's are hot, hopefully it's just a problem with the cooling system (that can be fixed).

Is this the first time we've had a major product like this released on a Monday? Very nice price by the way.

I think apple has released powermac updates on the sunday night of the NAB show.

I think this is a gross exageration of the amount of people effected.

I don't think any of us are in a position to say how widespread the problem is. Just as someone having a bad machine doesn't make it widespread, someone without a problem doesn't eliminate the possibility that it may be widespread. I find it alarming that some people have been through three or four units and all of them have had problems.

There is always going to be a newer, nicer, cooler product to replace your 6 month old machine, and unless you like to constantly buy and sell your mac and make up for the loss in cash, you're just going to have to look forward to rev. E.

This has nothing to do with heat or noise issues. There's a big difference between waiting for improved specs and waiting for bugs to be fixed, don't confuse the two.

mongoos150
Apr 24, 2006, 10:47 AM
Good for you...you have fun with that. I on the other hand will be enjoying...5 hour battery life.
Keep dreamin' :rolleyes:

Multimedia
Apr 24, 2006, 10:50 AM
Already ordered mine...now I just gotta get rid of my 15".Which HD did you go with MovieCutter?

The Faster Smaller 100GB Battery Eater or the Slower Bigger 120GB Battery Conserver?

I think bigger slower battery conserver is my choice. I can remember when 5400 was the faster speed. I'm thinking 5400 is fast enough. What do you think? Anyone please. :confused:

BTW Omni via ramseeker.com sells the 1GB PC2-5300 667 MHz sticks for $128 Hyper CAS 2.5 or $73 Optival CAS 3. Apple? $270 :D

freeny
Apr 24, 2006, 10:50 AM
And as usual, the good news brings lower stock prices:o

4God
Apr 24, 2006, 10:52 AM
Looks great, but todays monday what gives?! :eek:


Apple had to make room for Tuesday's announcement:
New Macbooks
Final Cut 6
Final Cut Extreme
Final Cut Studio with now included Aperture. :D

MacSA
Apr 24, 2006, 10:53 AM
And as usual, the good news brings lower stock prices:o

Stock holders only care about are iTunes/iPod related news.

frankpledge
Apr 24, 2006, 10:54 AM
why would they introduce a macbook at NAB? NAB tends to have higher end computer users as it caters to the broadcasting community. as in fcp users. as in professional editors et al. nobody in the broadcasting world cuts on an ibook (macbook).

i would assume that apple picks it's time and place to announce certain products. to unviel the macbook here would be like them introducing a new ipod at the NAB. why?

fp

twoodcc
Apr 24, 2006, 10:56 AM
So is a 17" MBP.

i don't think so. 1" thick. 6.8 pounds. clearly a laptop

that dell someone described is probably twice as heavy, and at least twice as thick.

KREX725
Apr 24, 2006, 10:56 AM
No I wonder again...how COME people voted negative for this news?


I think this question could take up its own thread on a slow news day! :p

My quick guesses:

1. Trolls who vote negative on all pro-Apple news
2. Those who are unhappy because they wanted a MacBook (iBook) to be released today instead of a MBP.
3. Unhappy people in general.

:)

lietsche
Apr 24, 2006, 10:57 AM
Which HD did you go with MovieCutter?

The Faster Smaller 100GB Battery Eater or the Slower Bigger 120GB Battery Conserver?

I think bigger slower battery conserver is my choice. I can remember when 5400 was the faster speed. I'm thinking 5400 is fast enough. What do you think? Anyone please. :confused:

If you are not working with video (and therefore heavy datafiles to read and write) on an everyday basis I think the 5400 is enough.
But even if, most people will have an external disk connected (on FW 800 :) to do this task.
I just ordered a 7200 though, but I am doing Video/Rendering and I think it will just be a little snappier....

chabig
Apr 24, 2006, 11:00 AM
Good for you...you have fun with that. I on the other hand will be enjoying running Final Cut Pro and iLife 06, not to mention OSX on my 6.8lbs 1" thick 17" MacBook Pro with firewire800, Front Row, built-in camera and 5 hour battery life.
You'll also be enjoying your dual layer DVD burner, which the competition doesn't have.

Kingsly
Apr 24, 2006, 11:05 AM
So there is a DL superdrive that fits in a 1" thin case.
Why Apple, why!!!?? I want an 8x superdrive in my 15"MBP!!!!

paddy
Apr 24, 2006, 11:05 AM
I think this question could take up its own thread on a slow news day! :p

My quick guesses:

1. Trolls who vote negative on all pro-Apple news
2. Those who are unhappy because they wanted a MacBook (iBook) to be released today instead of a MBP.
3. Unhappy people in general.

:)

Well I for one voted negative because of Apples European prices. As I posted before its €2929 or $3614, almost a $1000 dearer here. I could see the justification in a €200 to €400 price increase (because of higher taxes) but close to $1000 is just greed.

BlizzardBomb
Apr 24, 2006, 11:09 AM
Just wondering why the New 17inch macbook is £430/$766 more expensive in the UK than it in the states?

They are not made in the states, or go via the states when they are shipped are they? So it's not a geographical cost. Why the extra cost? or are English mac users just richer or prepared to pay more?

Slightly anooying for digital art students like me. Its almost worth flying to New York to get one from an apple store.

It's actually $231 more. We pay have to pay VAT remember ;) Don't ask why it's still $231 more though, *cough* Rip-off Britain *cough cough*

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
NO PC comes close with its 1-inch enclosure, DL drive, powerful GPU, iSight, FR and FW800...a stunning machine!

Not entirely true. There are pc laptops available with better GPU (even 512 vram) and higher screen resolution. There are also laptops that go up to 4 gigs of ram (not sure if that's four slots or 2G chips). But they're generally more expensive than this one. Still a great laptop at a good price point though.

I don't see how you can say it's the most powerful windows machine: (snip)
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=16029949

That dell is still lagging on a number of specs, you'd need to upgrade a few things to make it comparable. And the acer you link to is a 15, not a 17.


Cerebrum, I don't get your post at all. You complain that macs with intel processors are "crappy"...yet you love your PC and PC laptops...yet you loved the dog slow Gx chips (even though you admit they are much slower than the intel ones)? :confused:

Stella
Apr 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
So there is a DL superdrive that fits in a 1" thin case.
Why Apple, why!!!?? I want an 8x superdrive in my 15"MBP!!!!

There is more enclosure space in the 17" to put components than in the 15". Perhaps there wasn't the room in the 15"?
Too much heat?
Market segmentation?

Multimedia
Apr 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
If you are not working with video (and therefore heavy datafiles to read and write) on an everyday basis I think the 5400 is enough.
But even if, most people will have an external disk connected (on FW 800 :) to do this task.
I just ordered a 7200 though, but I am doing Video/Rendering and I think it will just be a little snappier....I'm definitely working with video all the time. The issue for me is the trade off in battery life vs. missing the extra 20GB once all the applications and all their associated support files are loaded. I mean I could see easily using almost all 120 GB just for the system and applications. Couldn't you? I was really hoping for the new 160 GB Seagate inside. :confused:

BTW Seagate is about to release a 3.5" 750GB HD (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/04/21/seagate_750gb_barracuda/). :eek: :p

drlunanerd
Apr 24, 2006, 11:12 AM
You'll also be enjoying your dual layer DVD burner, which the competition doesn't have.

And which 15" MacBook Pro owners don't have either.

nagromme
Apr 24, 2006, 11:14 AM
Interesting to note that the 17" MBP has a dual layer 8x SuperDrive, despite being no higher than the 15".

But the 17" model is out now, not months ago.

Dual-layer drives were not available that would fit at the time. There was never any doubt that they would BECOME available, of course. Now they have.

No conspiracy here :) Newer/faster optical drive versions have always gotten thinner with the passage of time.

(Or else the drive in the 15" actually needs to be thinner than the 17" needs--because the overall internal volume for ALL components is much smaller than the 17", necessitating components under/over the 15" drive. A little surgery would test whether that 15"s drive is thinner than the new 17"s drive, but I doubt it. I don't think it's thicker either, though.)


So there is a DL superdrive that fits in a 1" thin case.
Why Apple, why!!!?? I want an 8x superdrive in my 15"MBP!!!!
The difference between "is" vs. "was"?

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 11:16 AM
This is great news and all, but is it just me or is anybody else beginning to think that $2799 is way to much to be spending on a notebook. Why is Apple not doing anything to make their machines more affordable? Apple's marketing department needs to ditch the archaic pricing schemes and start making these things priced to sell. I could understand $1799 or even $1999, but not $2799. With a pricing scheme like this who needs enemies like Dell, HP, or Microsoft.

If $1799 is a reasonable cost for this machine, find me a Dell or HP with the same specs for that price. I've looked at the Dell website and didn't find anything even close to that number.

I think you mean "Why is the computer industry not doing anything to make their high end laptops more affordable?"

Stock holders only care about are iTunes/iPod related news.

Which is why the biggest recent jump in AAPL came when they announced Boot Camp? Nice try, thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

You'll also be enjoying your dual layer DVD burner, which the competition doesn't have.

Which competition is that? Plenty of laptops have DL 8x DVD writers, on the dell site it's a $70 upgrade for most machines.

bob_hearn
Apr 24, 2006, 11:16 AM
Does anyone happen to have the old 17" specs on hand? The new resolution is 1680x1050. What was the old resolution? I assume that, as on the 15", some space was lost for the iSight? :mad: That really pisses me off. It's a very inelegant, inefficient way to add the camera, which many of us will rarely if ever use anway. But everybody can use more screen space.

My 17" has 1440x900, so it's still a big improvement there, but really the physical size is more important, and that's reduced. The question is, how big is a full page of text when you make it fit onscreen -- now it's smaller.

fusionstudios
Apr 24, 2006, 11:18 AM
Someone tell me why the 15" macbook pro with a 120g hard drive and the faster processor is MORE EXPENSIVE than the 17" with the same specs plus the extra ports and DL?

eVolcre
Apr 24, 2006, 11:20 AM
Someone tell me why the 15" macbook pro with a 120g hard drive and the faster processor is MORE EXPENSIVE than the 17" with the same specs plus the extra ports and DL?


I'm going through a little bit of buyers remorse actually. My MBP is going in today for replacement (it was within the 2 weeks period). Do you think they might send me the 17" instead if I asked for it?

BlizzardBomb
Apr 24, 2006, 11:22 AM
Does anyone happen to have the old 17" specs on hand? The new resolution is 1680x1050. What was the old resolution? I assume that, as on the 15", some space was lost for the iSight? :mad: That really pisses me off. It's a very inelegant, inefficient way to add the camera, which many of us will rarely if ever use anway. But everybody can use more screen space.

My 17" has 1440x900, so it's still a big improvement there, but really the physical size is more important, and that's reduced. The question is, how big is a full page of text when you make it fit onscreen -- now it's smaller.

On my iMac with the same resolution, on Pages I can view two pages both at 99% (without the Inspector bar because I use all the shortcuts).

Peyton
Apr 24, 2006, 11:22 AM
I am so happy about this!

I think the prices are lower than expected because of the throngs of people saying 'it should come with wheels' etc etc. I think to intice more people to the 'flagship' model, they had to lower the price and add the fw800 + usb. Which really don't cost that much more, but to consumers (pro and non) for the extra screen space and DL dvd, it seems like a bargain. Even tho, they're still making money on it.

bigbossbmb
Apr 24, 2006, 11:22 AM
This makes me a little upset... I have FW800 drives, but would never buy a 17" laptop. Put FW800 on a 15" (or even better a 13" *dreaming*) and then I'll upgrade in a second. 17" is a desktop replacement. 15" and smaller are actual laptops.

milo
Apr 24, 2006, 11:23 AM
So there is a DL superdrive that fits in a 1" thin case.
Why Apple, why!!!?? I want an 8x superdrive in my 15"MBP!!!!

Because in the 15 the superdrive is under the trackpad, which doesn't fit. On the 17 they can put it off to the side and take up the whole thickness of the computer.

I'm going through a little bit of buyers remorse actually. My MBP is going in today for replacement (it was within the 2 weeks period). Do you think they might send me the 17" instead if I asked for it?

If it was defective, you could always try telling them to just take it back instead for a refund. (or the replacement model might be defective too) Worth a try.

QCassidy352
Apr 24, 2006, 11:24 AM
I mean I could see easily using almost all 120 GB just for the system and applications. Couldn't you? I was really hoping for the new 160 GB Seagate inside. :confused:

Nope, I can't imagine it! :p What all are you installing??

I have a 40 GB (37 formatted) drive with 16 GB free! I know I'm not a power user, but what apps would fill 120 GB?