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MacRumors
Feb 11, 2003, 04:51 AM
[url="http://www.thinksecret.com/news/internetexplorer6.html>Thinksecret reports[/url] that MSN 8 for Mac OS X is nearing release, while IE 6 is on hold.



bokdol
Feb 11, 2003, 07:36 AM
now microcrap is trying to lock your wonderful mac to the evil ways of windoze. it'll probably report everything you have on your computer to there central station so they can sell the info off or remote lock lock it when they need too... hahahahaha:rolleyes:

Centris 650
Feb 11, 2003, 09:54 AM
I'm going to try and put a positive spin on this...Maybe this could help people switch who like thier MSN account or just don't want to loose an account they've had for a while.

I just wish .Mac had and ISP built in. I'd use it in a heart beat.

DakotaGuy
Feb 11, 2003, 10:07 AM
IE 6 will be good when it finally gets here. I think Safari needs competition like IE 6 to continue to improve. I like Safari, but still have IE on my dock and I find some places on line that won't work with anything but IE. I am not sure why this is, but some websites seem to only work right with IE. Until this problem is fixed I am glad that IE is still on the Mac.

Das
Feb 11, 2003, 10:31 AM
Ugh, I hate that crud with a passion. Every time I started an email account on my PC with MSN it was "Hey, you wanna look at MSN.com? We got lots of stuff like, ooh, Britney Spears got a new hair cut. Oh, you don't? Ok, well, I'll just load it then we'll all go to Best Buy.com where you can look at many tantalizing MS products. What? Not there either? Oh, you just want to check your msn.com e-mail account, why sure. Oh I forgot to mention we sorta sold your e-mail address to Capn' Pete's Male Enlargement and Donkey Pornography Center didn't we? Oh well, wanna go to msn.com..."

Falleron
Feb 11, 2003, 11:31 AM
All I know is that I want MSN Messenger to work! I cant do file transfers. I have had to move to proteus for this reason.

sparks9
Feb 11, 2003, 01:08 PM
Why do you all hate Microsoft that much???, IE and Messenger are great products i think. BTW you can easily turn of the ads for msn.com in the preferences.

You should be happy for the IE update! :D

Chisholm
Feb 11, 2003, 01:28 PM
Here's my working conspiracy theory: Microsoft wants to harness the power of all the OSX machines out there to do a form of distributed computing to aid their HotMail servers when they get bogged down. They may even use this for distributing their bug fixes.

cheers!
John

SumDumGuy
Feb 11, 2003, 04:51 PM
...Capn' Pete's Male Enlargement and Donkey Pornography Center...now that my friends, is FUNNY!

jakejess
Feb 11, 2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by sparks9
Why do you all hate Microsoft that much???, IE and Messenger are great products i think. BTW you can easily turn of the ads for msn.com in the preferences.

You should be happy for the IE update! :D

I can't say much about Messenger since I don't use it, but IE is not a great product. The version we all use now is almost the same one we started with on OS X. There have been no major updates, no new features, and nothing to set the OS X version apart. It is the slowest browser I have used and is compatable only because MS rules web browsers with an iron fist. Every other major browser on OS X continues to innovate, why can't Microsoft, now they're even delaying because Apple is bringing competition and we all know that competition is unfair to poor MS.

rainman::|:|
Feb 11, 2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by sparks9
Why do you all hate Microsoft that much???, IE and Messenger are great products i think. BTW you can easily turn of the ads for msn.com in the preferences.

You should be happy for the IE update! :D

you're the dell dude, aren't you? or else you're just high. IE is so bad a browser that Apple had to create their own, so OS X users would have a valid choice (balance between features and speed)... and don't get me started on MSN...

:)
pnw

MisterMe
Feb 11, 2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by jakejess


I can't say much about Messenger since I don't use it, but IE is not a great product. The version we all use now is almost the same one we started with on OS X. There have been no major updates, no new features, and nothing to set the OS X version apart. It is the slowest browser I have used and is compatable only because MS rules web browsers with an iron fist. Every other major browser on OS X continues to innovate, why can't Microsoft, now they're even delaying because Apple is bringing competition and we all know that competition is unfair to poor MS. I don't use MSN Messenger either, but I can say something about it. I had kept the version that came bundled with Office v.X. Even though I don't use it, I upgraded to the latest version. That was not a big mistake, but it was most certainly annoying. The new MSN Messenger started up everytime I started my computer. I quickly learned that you have log into Messenger to turn off autostart. Without an MSN account, my only recourse was to trash the thing, which is what I did.

As for Abercrombieboy's hope that there will come a day when there are not IE-specific web sites, there is no good reason for this. The web is supposed to be browser-independent. Unfortunately, you have a lot of Microsoft-minions and Gates-geldings out there who think that FrontPage is just peachy as a Web-page editor and that IE is the only browser. (Some of them work at my firm.) They don't even try to be W3C standards-compliant. This is particularly ironic in the case of my firm because a substantial portion of our potential market use old versions of Netscape Communicator to access the web.

Nermal
Feb 12, 2003, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by MisterMe
Unfortunately, you have a lot of Microsoft-minions and Gates-geldings out there who think that FrontPage is just peachy as a Web-page editor and that IE is the only browser. (Some of them work at my firm.) They don't even try to be W3C standards-compliant.

I admit that I usually use FrontPage to make Web pages. However, I always go a step further and check W3C compliancy, and I will do the best I can to make those pages compliant! Even if it means breaking some FrontPage feature :)

GeneR
Feb 12, 2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel


you're the dell dude, aren't you? or else you're just high. IE is so bad a browser that Apple had to create their own, so OS X users would have a valid choice (balance between features and speed)... and don't get me started on MSN...

:)
pnw

IE sucks in a very major way. It's extremely slow. It has a default "Mickey Mouse" size font setting so all your webpages look stupid and childish (a.k.a. unprofesional), and it really has not been significantly updated for efficiency since it's come out on OSX.

It's such a slow, cumbersome browser but that's just in keeping with MS in general. MS blackmails Apple users with their products by withholding innovations to keep Apple customers with older/less efficient software and thus less competitive.

This is an abusive relationship Apple users have with MS. They jerk the chain and threaten to withhold products just like an abusive relative/friend/business "partner" may do so, gleefully watching Apple users squirm in frustration and fear of being abandoned. Psychology 101 about abusive relationships. Emotional blackmail.

But should Apple or a third-party come out with a great competitive product, suddenly, MS jumps to their feet and cry bloody murder or suddenly becomes "helpful" and "friendly" and starts giving "incentives" and "discounts" to keep Apple users.

If this isn't evident to the one who likes IE, perhaps he really IS the Dell guy.

;)

Phazer80s
Feb 12, 2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by GeneR


MS blackmails Apple users with their products by withholding innovations to keep Apple customers with older/less efficient software and thus less competitive.

This is an abusive relationship Apple users have with MS. They jerk the chain and threaten to withhold products just like an abusive relative/friend/business "partner" may do so, gleefully watching Apple users squirm in frustration and fear of being abandoned. Psychology 101 about abusive relationships. Emotional blackmail.

But should Apple or a third-party come out with a great competitive product, suddenly, MS jumps to their feet and cry bloody murder or suddenly becomes "helpful" and "friendly" and starts giving "incentives" and "discounts" to keep Apple users.


;)


Well put, GeneR. That about sums it up.

beer
Feb 13, 2003, 07:58 AM
as for Mircosoft.. just use MS produkts to communicate with those windhoos-guys.. i.e. in word or excel.. sometimes use IE for some pages seem to be unreachable with safari.. and for MSN just using proteus... so I can use ICQ, iChat en MSN all in one app..

FelixDerKater
Feb 13, 2003, 10:48 AM
It couldn't hurt to have a little competition from IE on the Mac. You ahve to have something to keep Apple innovating with Safari or it could just become stagnant like IE on the PC.

alset
Feb 13, 2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by jakejess


It is the slowest browser I have used and is compatable only because MS rules web browsers with an iron fist.

I remember when IE first came along. I had purchased the Netscape Navigator package and I though M$ was joking. So many of us used Netscape that I wondered how their would ever be competition. I remember Netscape becoming very slow, but I must have blinked, because suddenly there was only IE.

If you told me it would come to this, I would have laughed.

Dan

Skurn
Feb 16, 2003, 07:35 AM
I use MSN for one reason, and one reason only. Because my friends uses it. It's the only way I can reach them. If I could use something else, I'd be glad, but I can't. The thing is terrible! Sure it looks nice, but it's sluggish! When several ppl talks to me (or someone floods) or many ppl invites me to chat (and they chat all at once!!!), it lags! That annoys me very much, since I can't type or send messages cause of the lag. My Mac is working and I see the spinning color-ball while I just sit and watch. I can't do a thing! I get so angry!!!:mad:
Eventually it ends with "Force quit" and I'm free from the M$ trap. One other thing it can't do is to transfer. An error shows up each and every time. Frustrating... Unless this new version fixes this, I'm still stuck with a faulty M$ app. Just the thought is terrifying...:(
And then there is IE. Slow and painful w/o innovations. I am a happy Safari user (unless I enter a page where it doesn't work. Still, it's just a beta) and I only use IE because of its compability. It's too bad that several sites only works with IE though...

GeneR
Feb 16, 2003, 10:03 AM
Hey Skurn, try Fire, you can get it at CNET's download.com.

:)

Skurn
Feb 16, 2003, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the tip, GeneR. Fire is really neat! I still have to try it out a bit, but atleast I don't have to spend time with Messenger;)

DannyZR2
Feb 17, 2003, 08:26 AM
this thread just makes me sick to my stomach!!!