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MacRumors
May 5, 2006, 07:24 PM
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Macsimum News reports (http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_files_patent_for_wireless_ipod_with_ringtones_micro_browser) on more recent patent applications made by Apple which provide hints that they have been working on wireless iPod/iPhone technologies.

The most recent application reveals methods to use a portable wireless device to purchase digital media items over a phone interface over cellular networks or wireless data networks.

Also described is the use of a browser to interface and select songs, and also discusses the sale of RingTones as well. Apple had previously been rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/12/20051216163750.shtml) to be looking into introducing RingTone sales into the iTunes Music Store but this feature was reportedly cancelled.

Another recent patent application (http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_files_patent_for_an_audio_interface_for_the_ipod/) describes an audio interface for the iPod and other portable devices, giving users text-to-speech feedback.

The audio prompts provide audio indicators that allow a user to focus his or her visual attention upon other tasks such as driving an automobile, exercising, or crossing a street, yet still enable the user to interact with the user interface.

cheese1113
May 5, 2006, 07:27 PM
Interesting, sounds like it may be the cingular version of itunes though.

4God
May 5, 2006, 07:35 PM
Whoa.....iPod GPS navigation system? :D :D :D

Rocketman
May 5, 2006, 07:36 PM
This particuar feature is notable.

mi5moav
May 5, 2006, 07:36 PM
I wonder if they could use Disney's movie beam technology to bring movies into your ipod, behind the curtain, this would probably use a lot less battery life...plus now that Jobs is now on Disney's board would be that hard to do. My moveie beam antenna really isn't much bigger then my ipod, plus being outside the signal would probably be better anyhow.

joshysquashy
May 5, 2006, 07:38 PM
should i upgrade my mobile now (another 12 months till i can change) or wait for iphone? i recon it will be at least 12 months till release, but what do you think?

~Shard~
May 5, 2006, 07:39 PM
Nice to see some iPhone rumors again, as I think this could be a very solid product for Apple. We've seen 3rd party iTunes phones not fare so well, and I think Apple could really improve on others' shortcomings and release a solid product.

I also think it would be huge if Apple became an MVNO. :eek: :cool: Hmm, I wonder how many people will have to look that term up... haha...

jayb2000
May 5, 2006, 07:46 PM
I wish this was true, I am looking to get one of the Sony Ericsson w810 phones when it comes out, but if Apple had one coming, I might look at that intead.

Besides, my 3g iPod could use an update, my music library is 55+ gigs and the 30gb doesn't cut it anymore and the GPS could be fun.

jzeiders
May 5, 2006, 07:56 PM
I'm kinda weary of Apple really getting into the phone business. The iPod was so big in part was because it was original in it's unique way (not saying there weren't other portable music devices). Everything on that list is available now for not a lot of money. I'd vote to stick with what ya got, Apple.

Mac Fly (film)
May 5, 2006, 08:26 PM
I'm kinda weary of Apple really getting into the phone business. The iPod was so big in part was because it was original in it's unique way (not saying there weren't other portable music devices). Everything on that list is available now for not a lot of money. I'd vote to stick with what ya got, Apple.Your entitled to your vote but I'd say your on your own. Apple is good a taking the right risks at the right time. The iPhone is a natural progression for Apple, and one with too many big(huge) rewards to pass up! Plus in 10 years phones will be so good there'll be no reason for people to buy mp3 players, and most wont want two devices. Sure in the short term 3-5 years, the iPod will be so good with such big storage that people will probably have one for their music collection. But what about people who like to have a good amount of songs with them at all times, and don't want to carry their iPod everywhere. That's the space the iPhone fills, and that's why apple has no choice but to do something in this field.
If Disney can become an MVNO, apple can too! And it would be great. Alot of people said they can't make a Hi-fi but the did, and did pretty good job. It will happen, it has to happen and people will line up an get their wallets out, myself included.:)

Analog Kid
May 5, 2006, 08:37 PM
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Apple isn't getting into phones. It's starting to look like Apple spent some time brainstorming a few years ago then dropped the idea but moved to protect some innovative concepts.

That's the only reason I can think of as to why we're seeing the applications before the products-- Apple has stopped trying to keep them black.

Can anybody else think of a time when we saw the patents before seeing the product on the market? Granted, a cell phone design would take longer to work out than most of Apples stuff because it's so different for them-- but there are ways to keep patent applications unpublished for years and Apple isn't.

VanMac
May 5, 2006, 08:47 PM
Well, true or not, I would be happy to purchase a phone made by apple.

Somebody has to show Motorola how to develop an interface......

alfismoney
May 5, 2006, 09:02 PM
i guess if samsung is using apple's icons to make its phone interfaces then maybe it's time that apple started using its icons to make phone interfaces.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/05/keepin-it-real-fake-part-xxvii-samsung-admits-to-knocking-off/

EricNau
May 5, 2006, 09:44 PM
Apple will release a phone, it's just a matter of time. :)

Mac Fly (film)
May 5, 2006, 09:54 PM
Apple will release a phone, it's just a matter of time. :)
Well said! It's more than obvious :D

muffinman
May 5, 2006, 09:57 PM
thats just what i need right now. a new phone

blueimac'00
May 5, 2006, 09:58 PM
what's the deal? Are they making an ipod with a phone on it or a phone with an ipod on it? The ipod is going into a class of its own and it ***** down all of its competitors. Is the ipod a monopoly?

mtzmtz
May 5, 2006, 10:09 PM
None of these applications indicate an Apple produced iPhone - just that they want to port their existing software/services to 'some' cellular platform.

EricNau
May 5, 2006, 10:19 PM
what's the deal? Are they making an ipod with a phone on it or a phone with an ipod on it?
It depends, do you see the glass half empty or half full? :D


Is the ipod a monopoly?
No, not even close. The iPod's market share is 85% (or near that). While Apple clearly has the majority, there are plenty of other mp3 players out there.

me hate windows
May 5, 2006, 10:32 PM
It will have to be amazing for me to give up my k750i. Or my k800i if I get that before the rumored Apple Phone appears.

Kingsly
May 5, 2006, 10:49 PM
holy frijoles!

boncellis
May 5, 2006, 10:51 PM
Speech to text technology would be cool, now that my Griffin iTalk isn't compatible with the 5G and presumably next generation iPods.

Maybe this is a sign, I was thinking of investing in the Treo. For me, the killer new feature for the iPod is SMS capability, I'll pass on the ringtones.

Nikkobengco
May 5, 2006, 11:15 PM
FOR ME, the features that they were telling which the ipod phone will have, is MEDIOCRE. or so lacking. COME ON APPLE, you have to at least make a phone better than what NOKIA is doing. NOKIA's SMARTPHONE is the bomb. TONS of FEATURES, really really good. BUT FROM WHAT IM READING, apple is doing a phone that does nothing but to play music and to call. THEY ARE MISSING TEXT MESSAGING, integrated camera, video recording, bluetooth, gprs, etc. IF THEY WILL BE MAKING A PHONE, just a standard phone, not a SMART FONE but a FASHION FONE, then i'm a bit worried. DO YOU GUYS KNOW NOKIA'S FASHION FONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A CIGARETTE LIGHTER OR A LIPSTICK? WHICH DOESNT HAVE A KEYPAD, but only a scroll button? GRRR. ITS UGLY. WELL, IM TALKING ABOUT THE USABILITY, its not a good phone or a good fashion phone for me. AND APPLE, i have this feeling that they would be making an ipod PHONE without KEYPAD too! and that would be scary. I have this feeling that ipod phone won't be succesful. MY INTUITION has always been right.

kresh
May 5, 2006, 11:56 PM
I work for a top tier cellular service provider in the US.

The typical consumer has some serious misconceptions about their phones. To put it simply they think they are free, or a low value item.

The typical consumer does not really grasp that the free cell phone they got is a complex piece of electronics that cost somebody well over a hundred of dollars (or more). However since they didn't pay for it they think it has no value. They don't treat them with any kind of respect. My stores get 20 people or more a day that visit us and tell us that the phone is a piece of crap. They have dropped it a hundred times and tried to flush it down the toliet. But hey it's free, I'll just go back to the cell phone store and get another free one.

Now, I understand that people who pay a couple of hundred bucks treat their phones a little better. But that that much better. We still see those customers coming back in with their phone that's been abused thinking it's ok to get another one.

The culprit is the business model that most US companies use. The 2 year contract with a huge price discount making the phone free, or really cheap. When people need a phone before that two year period is over they are screwed.

My whole point is that the Apple phone would have to compete in this environment, with the same customer mentalities. I really would hate to see them get in this arena. I think it would crush the current quality reputation of their products.

Don't believe me? Just ask your friends. I would bet that the vast majority would say their cell service sucks and their phone sucks. It doesn't matter which carrier or phone brand. I don't mean the gadget freaks, the average people.

Sorry for writing a book :)

rockandrule
May 6, 2006, 12:01 AM
MY INTUITION has always been right.
Do you work for TS?

EricNau
May 6, 2006, 12:11 AM
...My whole point is that the Apple phone would have to compete in this environment, with the same customer mentalities. I really would hate to see them get in this arena. I think it would crush the current quality reputation of their products.

Don't believe me? Just ask your friends. I would bet that the vast majority would say their cell service sucks and their phone sucks. It doesn't matter which carrier or phone brand. I don't mean the gadget freaks, the average people.

Sorry for writing a book :)
People treat their iPods the same way. They are dropped, sat-on, scratched, run-over, thrown, flung, washed, etc. etc. You name it and it's happened to an iPod.

...and for the record, my cell phone does suck and it's not my fault.

Abstract
May 6, 2006, 12:29 AM
Wow, a ridiculous patent. If another company held these patents and sued Apple for infringement, you'd all be up in arms.

The most recent application reveals methods to use a portable wireless device to purchase digital media items over a phone interface over cellular networks or wireless data networks. Wow, purchasing over a phone network. That was an inevitability anyway, considering how it is done in several countries already.

Also described is the use of a browser to interface and select songs, and also discusses the sale of RingTones as well.

Did someone at Apple get paid for thinking of these "ideas"?

andrewm
May 6, 2006, 01:13 AM
I want my stylus!

MacsomJRR
May 6, 2006, 02:29 AM
I would buy this in a heartbeat. If there were such thing as an iPhone that integrated itself perfectly with my mac enabling me to transfer (and edit) mac apps like iCal and iMovie without any third party software... provide the mac OS ease of use... oh boy I'm getting giddy:D

bigandy
May 6, 2006, 03:05 AM
It will have to be amazing for me to give up my k750i. Or my k800i if I get that before the rumored Apple Phone appears.

i disagree. i think the k750 is awful. i'm getting rid of it as soon as it comes back from it's 9th repair trip. ebay or something. back to the p900 - now that was a good phone.

Lollypop
May 6, 2006, 03:20 AM
Its nice to say lets see the iphone, but for me a phone is more than just calling and music, I text and mms and transfer data, check my calendar... its nice to see pattents that hint at something but what about the rest of the phone? Im looking at a smart phone because I want additional functionality to be added as I want, if the iphone is anything like the ipod and has "limited" features I will give the iphone a skip.

isgoed
May 6, 2006, 03:47 AM
I hate ringtones

Abstract
May 6, 2006, 07:32 AM
I would buy this in a heartbeat. If there were such thing as an iPhone that integrated itself perfectly with my mac enabling me to transfer (and edit) mac apps like iCal and iMovie without any third party software... provide the mac OS ease of use... oh boy I'm getting giddy:D
There are lots of phones that fit your description with the exception of syncing with iMovie.

jaxstate
May 6, 2006, 07:50 AM
They need to hurry up if they plan on releasing a iPhone. I feel that MS is really making a strong move in the Smartphone business. Blackberrys and Windows Mobile phones are very hot right now.

Cinch
May 6, 2006, 10:58 AM
Ringtones? Why? Ringtone is yesterday news. I thought it is uncool to have your phone ring in public. This was settle longtime ago social pressure of course. Now you just look like a dork having your phone ring in public:D . However, I do see a desire to have your phone ring in your home.


aside: I like to see what Apple will do with the advent of city wide Wi-Fi and soon Wi-Max

Cinch

The Dweeby Nerd
May 6, 2006, 11:27 AM
FOR ME, the features that they were telling which the ipod phone will have, is MEDIOCRE. or so lacking. COME ON APPLE, you have to at least make a phone better than what NOKIA is doing. NOKIA's SMARTPHONE is the bomb. TONS of FEATURES, really really good. BUT FROM WHAT IM READING, apple is doing a phone that does nothing but to play music and to call. THEY ARE MISSING TEXT MESSAGING, integrated camera, video recording, bluetooth, gprs, etc. IF THEY WILL BE MAKING A PHONE, just a standard phone, not a SMART FONE but a FASHION FONE, then i'm a bit worried.


Not everyone wants a phone that's overloaded with tons of ******* features.
The more you pack into a single device, the more mediocre each of the features will be (or can you show me a phone with an integrated camera as good as my Canon?). Apple's been always good at making easy to use products with few but outstanding features (iPod, HiFi). Simplicity is what's it all about.

iProd
May 6, 2006, 12:16 PM
Not everyone wants a phone that's overloaded with tons of ******* features.
The more you pack into a single device, the more mediocre each of the features will be (or can you show me a phone with an integrated camera as good as my Canon?). Apple's been always good at making easy to use products with few but outstanding features (iPod, HiFi). Simplicity is what's it all about.

The cameras on camera phones are really for conveniant snapshots or whatnot...I doubt any phone would/should try to compete with something built specifically for the job :p

The Dweeby Nerd
May 6, 2006, 01:16 PM
The cameras on camera phones are really for conveniant snapshots or whatnot...I doubt any phone would/should try to compete with something built specifically for the job :p

Why then should I care for a built-in camera? I really don't need a gadget that is crammed with one hundred features of which every single one is mediocre at best.

All I want is a nicely designed, easy to use music player with basic phone functionality from Apple. I don't know about the US, but here in Europe there definitely would be a market for this type of thing.

EricNau
May 6, 2006, 02:39 PM
There are way too many people focusing on things we do not know about this phone. It's still a Rumor. We have very little idea which features this phone is going to have (or not have).

You're telling me the entire pie tastes bad and you've only tasted one ingredient.

Scruff
May 6, 2006, 03:32 PM
Personally, I'd prefer it if Apple integrated the iPod and iPhone concepts, because I really hate having to carry around both my phone and my iPod :). Yeah, I'll give you that I'm probably just super lazy, but an iPod with phone capabilities sounds pretty hot to me.

In any case, if there IS an iPhone, I'd probably get one. I need a new phone anyway.

Stridder44
May 6, 2006, 05:19 PM
I'll believe it when I see it

Shamus
May 7, 2006, 02:00 AM
I'll believe it when I see it

Me too. We keep seeing these rumors, but they mean nothing really until the product is actually released.

But rumours are what this site is all about! :)

Eldentistfuturo
May 7, 2006, 03:09 AM
What cellular service would they make the phone for? cingular?

EricNau
May 7, 2006, 03:45 AM
What cellular service would they make the phone for? cingular?
Probably. Cingular is the largest carrier in America and usually gets all of the latest and greatest phones first.

rjwill246
May 7, 2006, 08:50 AM
I work for a top tier cellular service provider in the US.

I would bet that the vast majority would say their cell service sucks and their phone sucks. It doesn't matter which carrier or phone brand. :)

The problem is less the phone but the service. Poor quality sound, dropouts, missed calls, messages already received coming up again as "new", messages coming up a day or two LATE... these are things that the non-critical PHONE user will blame Apple for and not the TelCo.

On top of that, there is the problem of how to deal with phone calls while listening to music and not get irritated by the interruptions. Example: I have a phone and navigation system in the car and have both on when driving to new locations. Listening to music becomes impossible as the voice of the 'navigator' breaks in or the phone interrupts with a new call. The iPod/phone user is going to have to learn to love this or else Apple is going to have to design a system in which interruptions to music/movies do not occur unless permitted by the user (some sort of flashing indicator or text message-caller-ID would help for notifications but that is not perfect).

Thus, the combo is a great idea but NOT in any of the current proposals made so far. This "dog don't hunt" will be the axiom of the day for most cell-phone music combos. Apple may solve this ugly conflicting design dilemma as they so often do-- but then there are those darn phone companies to deal with unless Apple becomes one too!!! Apple might need to, so that it can control the quality and distribution of the signal but THAT is a huge bite to take out of the-- er, well-- Apple!

spinko
May 7, 2006, 10:53 AM
The less they pack into a hypothetic iphone the better. It has to be lean. light and thin and have a easy to use interface (like the ipod) to be different from what is on the market right now. Synchronize with addressbook, iCal, iTunes that's all I'll ever need from a phone. If it can get onto a wifi network that would be a bonus.

I'm sick of carting 100g+ phones and devices around. I've tryied most SE's but none exept the T39 felt comfortable in my pocket.

sysiphus
May 7, 2006, 01:00 PM
Much as I love Apple's gadgets, I would have a hard time shelling out the $$ for a fancy phone that I would invariably drop, scratch, and have to lend to friends--thus the reason that I never pay a cent for phones, and get the "freebie phones"

thejadedmonkey
May 7, 2006, 02:19 PM
This is the patent, in plain english. (http://www.mad4mobilephones.com/news.php3?id=30)

Stridder44
May 7, 2006, 07:41 PM
It could only be too cool if any of this was real.