Shuster: Rove likely going to be indicted

[zimv20]

link (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/08.html#a8214)


Shuster: Well, Karl Rove's legal team has told me that they expect that a decision will come sometime in the next two weeks. And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted. And there are a couple of reasons why. First of all, you don't put somebody in front of a grand jury at the end of an investigation or for the fifth time, as Karl Rove testified a couple, a week and a half ago, unless you feel that's your only chance of avoiding indictment. So in other words, the burden starts with Karl Rove to stop the charges...


direct video link to olberman piece (http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-Rove-5-8-06.mov)

[mactastic]

Oh man, a Rove indictment would be a HUGE blow to an administration already reeling from scandal after scandal. Conversely, a cleared Rove would be a major boon to an administration seeking to right itself after being rocked by scandal.

Oh and shouldn't the Abramoff visits to the WH be released by tomorrow?

[Dont Hurt Me]

Another Draft dodger, I hope he does go down , He is another fat bum ruining our great country. Bush & his gang of draft dodgers:rolleyes: We can do better then these guys America.

[mactastic]

Funny story... I just went on a job walk with one of the guys who does mechanical subcontracting for us, and he's the spitting image of Karl Rove himself. Eerie.

[3rdpath]

i don't think it's any coincidence that, at least publically, he's been removed from the inner sanctum.

oh how I'd love to see him doing the perp walk.

[leekohler]

Please, let it be true.

[scem0]

http://www.apfn.org/LEAK-GATE/arrestedRove.jpg

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[Mike Teezie]

Beautiful.

[solvs]

Conversely, a cleared Rove would be a major boon to an administration seeking to right itself after being rocked by scandal.
Not really. The damage has been done. The only people who will see it as a good thing are those who already hope it will be. Even some of them are just pissed it's come to this, liberal media or no. The rest of us will just think he got away with it, which just pisses us off even more. Pretty much a lose-lose.

[mactastic]

Not really. The damage has been done. The only people who will see it as a good thing are those who already hope it will be. Even some of them are just pissed it's come to this, liberal media or no. The rest of us will just think he got away with it, which just pisses us off even more. Pretty much a lose-lose.
It's all about the momentum. Give the talking heads a chance to say that liberals were wrong about Rove (as if clearing him of one evil deed cleared him of all of them) gives them an opportunity to go on 'offense'.

[solvs]

It's all about the momentum. Give the talking heads a chance to say that liberals were wrong about Rove (as if clearing him of one evil deed cleared him of all of them) gives them an opportunity to go on 'offense'.
Yer such a pessimist. You're forgetting that ~70% of the country is now among those who at the least distrust this administration because of stuff like this, and at the most hate them with the firey passion of Hades, this being just one of the many. I have no doubt the talking heads will try to do what you're saying, and the Dems will do little besides complain, but it's going to work with your average voter as well as the definition of "is". Which is to say, it won't.

Like I said, the only people that's going to work on now are the ones who already support Rove, and even a lot of them are fed up.

[mactastic]

Yer such a pessimist.
When it comes to the Democrats ability to win elections -- yea I'm a pessimist.

[FFTT]

He better practice holding on to his soap. :D

[Thomas Veil]

Yer such a pessimist.Well, you can hardly blame him. We all thought the unsuccessful war, the phony WMD stuff and the crappy economy were enough to finish Bush as a second-term presidential candidate in 2004, and look what happened.

The American public is tremendously resilient in its ability to swallow right-wing propaganda and to forget all about how creepy, crooked and stupid the Republicans are.

It's still a long time from now until November.

Swift Boats, anyone?

[Dont Hurt Me]

When it comes to the Democrats ability to win elections -- yea I'm a pessimist.
I agree, they still havent a clue on what they stand for and are bought by the same guys who own the Republicans. Democrats need a contract with America if you will on Energy,Healthcare,Immigration and Iraq. At the moment we are waiting for any party to step up to the plate and they just dont seem to want to. Just let big business run it all seems to be the status quo and thats taking this country down the tubes.

[Sayhey]

The website Truthout.org (http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml) has this story. I'm hoping it's true.

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Saturday 13 May 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case.

The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office. The meeting was a closely guarded secret and seems to have taken place without the knowledge of the media....

[skunk]

The website Truthout.org (http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml) has this story. I'm hoping it's true.Seems a bit like this one...:)
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=200484

[Dont Hurt Me]

I was thinking the same thing, I wonder what Bush & Gang will do without someone to Spin the truth on everything spewing out his frowning mouth? He will be lost without Roves talking points.

[Sayhey]

Seems a bit like this one...:)
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=200484


See what happens when you don't post in the political forums for a while. Sorry, folks for the duplicate reference, but I still hope it is true. ;)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Sayhey no big deal, we all are guilty but not as guilty as Cheney,Rove & Libby for outing a CIA agent for politics. Hope all 3 do time:cool:

[FFTT]

I'm hoping that Fitzgerald is working his way up the ladder, much in the way
Enron was prosecuted.

If he times it right, we could have the beginnings of impeachment proceedings just in time for the congressional elections. :D

[solvs]

He will be lost without Roves talking points.
He's lost with them. The guy knows how to run a campaign... and that's about it. Talking points aren't working anymore.

And yes, I get why you guys are pessimistic, but people were still deluded in 2004, and the alternative wasn't exactly great. They still barely squeaked by. In the past I was angry at the Dems for not providing a viable alternative, but at this point people are so frustrated with the Reps that they really have to just do nothing but not be neocons and they'd win. Maybe not a clean sweep, but it will be more like in 2005. Better even. From what I've seen, conservatives will stay home, liberals will vote in droves, and moderates will vote for the other guy just because they aren't conservative. Even some long term Republicans I know are planning on voting Democrat because they're just fed up. A few years ago, I wouldn't have voted for either unless I really liked them, but I'm in the "voting for the other person" category this year too.

I don't know about the South, but I can tell you right now Arnold is out.

[zimv20]

Sorry, folks for the duplicate reference
no worries, i probably should have posted the truthout article here instead of starting a new thread.