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zimv20
May 18, 2006, 06:04 PM
washpost (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR2006051800803.html)


WASHINGTON -- A Senate committee approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage Thursday, after a shouting match that ended when one Democrat strode out and the Republican chairman bid him "good riddance."

"I don't need to be lectured by you. You are no more a protector of the Constitution than am I," Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., shouted after Sen. Russ Feingold declared his opposition to the amendment, his affinity for the Constitution and his intention to leave the meeting.

"If you want to leave, good riddance," Specter finished.

"I've enjoyed your lecture, too, Mr. Chairman," replied Feingold, D-Wis., who is considering a run for president in 2008. "See ya."

Amid increasing partisan tension over President Bush's judicial nominees and domestic wiretapping, the panel voted along party lines to send the constitutional amendment _ which would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages _ to the full Senate, where it stands little chance of passing.

Democrats complained that bringing up the amendment is a purely political move designed to appeal to the GOP's conservative base in this year of midterm elections. Under the domed ceiling of the ornate and historic President's Room off the Senate floor, senators voted 10-8 to send the measure forward.

Among Feingold's objections was Specter's decision to hold the vote in the President's Room, where access by the general public is restricted, instead of in the panel's usual home in the Dirksen Senate Office Building.

Specter later said he would have been willing to hold the session in the usual room had he thought doing so would change votes.

Not all those who voted "yes" support the amendment, however. Specter said he is "totally opposed" to it, but felt it deserved a debate in the Senate.

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this is ****ed on so many levels. never mind the amendment itself (and i still haven't seen the wording, i doubt it's been released), but observe how specter is pandering to the administration to get this thing to a floor vote.

feingold just issued a statement, which i'll post next.



zimv20
May 18, 2006, 06:09 PM
Objecting to the Judiciary Committee's Handling of the Constitutional Amendment on Marriage

May 18, 2006

Today's markup of the constitutional amendment concerning marriage, in a small room off the Senate floor with only a handful of people other than Senators and their staffs present, was an affront to the Constitution. I objected to its consideration in such an inappropriate setting and refused to help make a quorum. I am deeply disappointed that the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee went forward with the markup over my objection. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader has set a politically motivated schedule for floor consideration of this measure that the Chairman felt compelled to follow, even though he says he opposes the amendment.

Constitutional amendments deserve the most careful and deliberate consideration of any matter that comes before the Senate. In addition to hearings and a subcommittee markup, such a measure should be considered by the Judiciary Committee in the light of day, open to the press and the public, with cameras present so that the whole country can see what is done. Open and deliberate debate on such an important matter cannot take place in a setting such as the one chosen by the Chairman of the Committee today.

The Constitution of the United States is an historic guarantee of individual freedom. It has served as a beacon of hope, an example to people around the world who yearn to be free and to live their lives without government interference in their most basic human decisions. I took an oath when I joined this body to support and defend the Constitution. I will continue to fight this mean-spirited, divisive, poorly drafted, and misguided amendment when it comes to the Senate floor.

..............

edit: link (http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/05/2006518.html)

iGary
May 18, 2006, 06:11 PM
You know, gays getting married is certainly the highest or priorities on this country's ****ed up fix it list.

Christ. :rolleyes:

Dont Hurt Me
May 18, 2006, 06:19 PM
I have said before but here it is again, Karl Rove the draft dodger is using this subject to try to get its base to the polls because they know they will vote against gay marriage and then while at the polls they assume these same folks will pull the republican lever. Its a game to get the republican base to the polls. Karl Rove same guy who helped out a CIA agent.

mactastic
May 18, 2006, 06:24 PM
Karl Rove same guy who helped out a CIA agent.
I had no idea Plame was gay! ;)

skunk
May 18, 2006, 06:27 PM
Karl Rove same guy who helped out a CIA agent.How did he help her out?:confused:

Dont Hurt Me
May 18, 2006, 06:28 PM
That didnt come out right, its been a long day........I know you know what i mean.

skunk
May 18, 2006, 06:31 PM
That didnt come out right, its been a long day........I know you know what i mean.The Master of Double-Entendre, as always, eh DHM?
;)

mactastic
May 18, 2006, 06:35 PM
How did he help her out?:confused:
He helped her right out of the CIA.

rdowns
May 18, 2006, 07:27 PM
You know, gays getting married is certainly the highest or priorities on this country's ****ed up fix it list.

Christ. :rolleyes:

Amen.

I just get more disgusted each day with what comes out of Washington. Not a single good idea eminates from anywhere in that town. Fraggin fools.

iGary
May 18, 2006, 07:41 PM
Amen.

I just get more disgusted each day with what comes out of Washington. Not a single good idea eminates from anywhere in that town. Fraggin fools.

I mean you know, gas isn't over $3.00 a gallon, thousands of kids haven't gotten their asses blown off in Iraq, our deficit isn't through the roof....homos is the big issue. :rolleyes:

IJ Reilly
May 18, 2006, 07:47 PM
I mean you know, gas isn't over $3.00 a gallon, thousands of kids haven't gotten their asses blown off in Iraq, our deficit isn't through the roof....homos is the big issue. :rolleyes:

No, homos are the big issue. :p

iGary
May 18, 2006, 07:54 PM
No, homos are the big issue. :p

But of course. :D

pseudobrit
May 18, 2006, 08:20 PM
No, homos are the big issue. :p

But who issues them?

solvs
May 19, 2006, 02:15 AM
I read this on MSNBC earlier, and Spectre made a weird statement about not supporting the law but wanting it to go to the floor for a vote. It's like he knows it will probably not pass (they'd need a 2/3 majority in one and 3/4 in the other), but will show the base that they're trying. Make it seem like it's the Dems fault again come election time. Just speculating, but it makes a lot of sense. Russ has just been pissed for awhile now and this was another straw on the camel's back.

Sad. I used to respect Spectre. This was just another in a long line of pandering from him. Same with McCain.