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AJ Muni
May 21, 2006, 11:01 AM
Well my cousin opened up a restaurant and he wants me to burn him some cd's so he can play. It's a hip looking place, more like art deco here in south beach. It's a small place, probably sits around 55 people max. Think about it as a regular sized starbucks. Its a bistro menu, but also serves as a fast food place, so if your on the go..the most you wait is 15 minutes. I'm confused on what music i should burn for him. I have dave matthews in mind, gorillaz, moby, red hot chili peppers (new double cd), and u2. Any other suggestions? Jazz maybe?

zap2
May 21, 2006, 11:04 AM
Try some coldplay:)

Some Jame Blunt perhaps?

AJ Muni
May 21, 2006, 11:07 AM
Try some coldplay:)
I forgot to add them in my original post.. I have every album/b-sides they've ever made. One of my favorite bands. thanks for reminding me though :). I have James Blunt as well I will add.

calculus
May 21, 2006, 11:09 AM
Some Jame Blunt perhaps?
...if you want them to leave quickly!

kretzy
May 21, 2006, 11:12 AM
I don't know if James Blunt is the kind of thing you want playing. His music is a little on the depressing side, which from your description of the restaurant doesn't really seem to match. That's just my opinion though.

I think some modern jazz and a bit of new age stuff can really funk a place up if that's the sort of thing you're cousin's going for.

calculus
May 21, 2006, 11:14 AM
I'd agree with the jazz and new age type stuff.

SuperSnake2012
May 21, 2006, 11:16 AM
Yeah, any cool jazz instrumentals would work really well.

Blue Velvet
May 21, 2006, 11:17 AM
Well my cousin opened up a restaurant and he wants me to burn him some cd's so he can play.

What kind of music? Probably the legal kind so he doesn't eventually get some heavy-handed Performing Rights Organisation involved.

Don't laugh, it almost happened to us a few years ago when I was in a different job. All rights reserved covers public performances.

Johnny Rico
May 21, 2006, 11:29 AM
If I were running a restaurant the music I would choose would include (depending on the audience/neighborhood)
miles davis
billie holliday
ella fitzgerald
nina simone
thelonious monk
(^^ if you don't want to go all over, verve records has some great collection discs..)
(more upbeat selections from) air
digable planets
dj krush
dj shadow (the live disc is well suited for restaurants)
the score from fight club
fela kuti
galactic
(older) massive attack
nusrat fateh ali khan
prefuse 73
rjd2
slowdeck
thievery corporation
zero 7

and dub reggae on sundays.

Mostly instrumental stuff, chill but upbeat, which is why jazz would work pretty well. You want to have music that people won't notice offhand, but will like if they bother to listen. Of course, depending on the time of day or week you'd want to change it up. For example zero 7 would be fine for weekday breakfast, but friday night you'd want to pick up the pace a little with some fela or def jux stuff. Also try and stick to stuff people aren't hearing everywhere. Table turnover is important, but you don't want to put people off by popping them out. Also if a music head is at your restaurant and you're playing something cool that they don't recognize offhand, you gain a lot in the memorability factor.

gauchogolfer
May 21, 2006, 11:36 AM
You might check out the Podsafe Music network. I'm not sure exactly how it all works, but I think you might be able to get a lower rate on playing artists' music from there than you will from the RIAA. If you intend on playing commercially-available music in a restaurant you can plan on getting a visit from the music industry relatively soon, and being sent a hefty bill.

Johnny Rico
May 21, 2006, 11:43 AM
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AJ Muni
May 21, 2006, 11:51 AM
You might check out the Podsafe Music network. I'm not sure exactly how it all works, but I think you might be able to get a lower rate on playing artists' music from there than you will from the RIAA. If you intend on playing commercially-available music in a restaurant you can plan on getting a visit from the music industry relatively soon, and being sent a hefty bill.

Even if I own all the music i've mentioned? I knew i was going to have some sort of RIAA crap mentioned. It never fails. I guess all the bars/restaurants on the beach are going to get hefty bills as well. Anyways thanks for the advice.

Blue Velvet
May 21, 2006, 11:57 AM
Even if I own all the music i've mentioned?

You don't own music. You have a license to play it, but not to duplicate it for others or play it publically.

You're welcome to ignore the law but don't say you haven't been told.

Besides, this hasn't got anything to do with the RIAA apart from the duplication. Performing rights is more to do with ASCAP, BMI etc.

muffinman
May 21, 2006, 12:01 PM
Embrace
Arctic Monkeys
Billy Joel
Jason Mraz
Howie Day
Coldplay
Muse
Ben Folds
Eric Clapton
The Fray
Keane

just to name a few

Chundles
May 21, 2006, 12:23 PM
The Cat Empire

Awesome jazz/latin/ethnic band from Melbourne. They do some poppy-stuff and some really good modern jazz with a mixture of instruments that just can't be topped.

Very lively, very unique.

If you can find them over there, their self-titled album's a pearler, "Two Shoes" was recorded and written in Cuba and so has a more latin beat to it and some quieter stuff. I haven't heard their newest one but it's apparently more experimental and jazz stuff also done in Cuba but influenced from their underground improv days.

Highly recommended.

adk
May 21, 2006, 12:44 PM
I'm not sure what you should play, but I know you shouldn't play any punk, emo, hip hop, country or any other kind of music that can be easily despised. Although, as the other posters said, Galactic would be a great choice.

CanadaRAM
May 21, 2006, 12:52 PM
Flippin frack...

OK, the RIAA is NOT in the building, are we agreed on that?
I think we should consider a variation of the Nazi forum rule for the RIAA. A thread becomes political (or is declared off-topic) as soon as someone invokes the RIAA, esp. if they have no idea what the RIAA really is.

Your country has a Performing Rights society, whose job it is to collect royalties on public performance of music, including radio play, clubs and dancehalls, and commercial background music like restaurants. They will assess an annual license fee based on either the number of clientele, or the square footage of the venue.

Once paid, this fee gives you the right to play any music covered by the performing rights organization to the public. In the case where there is more than one PRO, you may have to contract with both of them - or only choose artists who are signed up with the one you contract with.

(Note that it does not cover any aspect of what media the music is played from or if it was purchased -- that's a different issue entirely.)

In the USA, check both BMI and ASCAP

http://www.bmi.com/licensing/business/generalfaq.asp
http://www.bmi.com/licensing/business/rights.asp
http://www.bmi.com/licensing/business/groupc/

http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.html
http://www.ascap.com/licensing/about.html

In Canada, the society is SOCAN
http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/about/faq/licensors.jsp

blackfox
May 21, 2006, 04:58 PM
Due to legal issues and whatnot, I would probably recommend getting Sirius.

Seems like a decent compromise that will reasonably please your friend, his customers and the powers-that-be.

Dagless
May 21, 2006, 05:11 PM
anything Lemon Jelly or Mr. Scruff. it's ambience at it's sleek. well, some of their tracks!

LethalWolfe
May 21, 2006, 05:11 PM
I guess all the bars/restaurants on the beach are going to get hefty bills as well. Anyways thanks for the advice.

It all depends on if they are up to date on paying their license fee or not.


Lethal

Dagless
May 21, 2006, 05:14 PM
You don't own music. You have a license to play it, but not to duplicate it for others or play it publically.

You're welcome to ignore the law but don't say you haven't been told.

Besides, this hasn't got anything to do with the RIAA apart from the duplication. Performing rights is more to do with ASCAP, BMI etc.

Aye to that. I helped set up a pub a few years back (well the projector bit). they asked me to burn them some tracks to a CD. I said "no". very risky.
They got some guy to do it eventually, no idea who. Anyways. few months later the pub was ordered to pay a fine or risk shutting down because of pirated music. madness! the danger is always there, I had no contact with the landlord after my stint there but I can only guess that the original pirate was also fined heftily.

Just be careful, mr. OP and your cousin.

CanadaRAM
May 21, 2006, 05:21 PM
Due to legal issues and whatnot, I would probably recommend getting Sirius.

Seems like a decent compromise that will reasonably please your friend, his customers and the powers-that-be.
You mean digital radio? Well and good, but the public performance fee still has to be paid.
The other option is to subscribe to a background music service, typically the royalties are covered in the monthly fee.

LethalWolfe
May 21, 2006, 05:29 PM
You mean digital radio? Well and good, but the public performance fee still has to be paid.
The other option is to subscribe to a background music service, typically the royalties are covered in the monthly fee.
muzak (http://www.muzak.com/muzak.html) anyone. :D


Lethal

blackfox
May 21, 2006, 05:29 PM
You mean digital radio? Well and good, but the public performance fee still has to be paid.
The other option is to subscribe to a background music service, typically the royalties are covered in the monthly fee.
I was not aware that digital radio required said fee.

Odd.

faintember
May 21, 2006, 05:31 PM
DJ Cam (mix of jazz and DJ beats)
Autechre
Boards of Canada
Classic Jazz/Blues (Miles Davis, Coltrane, Ella, etc.)

Abstract
May 21, 2006, 05:40 PM
Donavon Frankenreiter
Nouvelle Vague (they do covers)
Lemon Jelly
VHS or Beta


I like Coldplay, Jack Johnson, (but not James Blunt) and I still have to advise playing something not cool. I really don't know what type of place it is.......a trendy place where the clientele is younger? If not, then anything like the new Red Hot Chili Peppers or Dave Matthews will suffice.

Sun Baked
May 21, 2006, 05:47 PM
What kind of music? Probably the legal kind so he doesn't eventually get some heavy-handed Performing Rights Organisation involved.

Don't laugh, it almost happened to us a few years ago when I was in a different job. All rights reserved covers public performances.Which is why Muzak (and similar services) have branched out into so many different music style options.

It's a bad word for elevator music, but if they have a program you like -- it might get you out of the hassle of dealing with the legal issues.

Dagless
May 21, 2006, 06:08 PM
You might want to consider cover tracks. at least 2 shops I've been in have had cover songs playing, Co-op and WHSmith. Not to knock them, but they were kinda obvious. They are a lot cheaper though! which is a good thing is you're a new restaurant.

amateurmacfreak
May 21, 2006, 06:59 PM
Yeah, be careful with the RIAA stuff. It's not as simple as it sounds to burn a CD to play in a restaurant, and don't be afraid to tell your brother no because of legal issues.

I'd suggest upbeat jazz for the restaurant.

LethalWolfe
May 21, 2006, 07:20 PM
This might be too much work, but you could always solicit music from local, unsigned artists. We did this on a short film I worked on recently and it worked out very well. We got good, original music for free and the bands get exposure.

I don't know how the place is decorated, but you could also do something similar w/local artists.

I've always liked going to independent restaurants that display a sense of "community" (if you will).


Lethal

Stampyhead
May 22, 2006, 12:54 PM
Even if I own all the music i've mentioned? I knew i was going to have some sort of RIAA crap mentioned. It never fails. I guess all the bars/restaurants on the beach are going to get hefty bills as well. Anyways thanks for the advice.
You should be greatful that your fellow MacRumors members are watching your back to keep you from getting in legal trouble. Listen to what they have to say...

h?
May 22, 2006, 01:00 PM
How about THE KOOKS.
Awesome band. Listen to *she moves in her own way*. Probably the best for the restaurant

scem0
May 22, 2006, 01:32 PM
Chet Baker :).

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Kingsly
May 22, 2006, 02:47 PM
Well my cousin opened up a restaurant and he wants me to burn him some cd's so he can play. It's a hip looking place, more like art deco here in south beach. It's a small place, probably sits around 55 people max. Think about it as a regular sized starbucks. Its a bistro menu, but also serves as a fast food place, so if your on the go..the most you wait is 15 minutes. I'm confused on what music i should burn for him. I have dave matthews in mind, gorillaz, moby, red hot chili peppers (new double cd), and u2. Any other suggestions? Jazz maybe?
Django reinhardt
pink martini
paolo conte
chet baker
some rendition of "brazil" (django's is good)

you cant go wrong. ;)

(I saved two local restaurants this way)

mactastic
May 22, 2006, 04:56 PM
What, no suggestions for Slayer or Rage Against the Machine? :D

Lethal, good call on the local arts and music thing, I always like places that support local artists. It's amazing how many are willing to put their stuff up.

Maybe even see if you can get some local jazzy-type bands to perform on Friday nights or something.

miniConvert
May 22, 2006, 07:37 PM
I'd suggest a good, wide mix. Chat compilations maybe? I can't stand sitting eating and being subjected to someone's entire album. Sure, can be fab if it's someone you like, but most of the time it isn't.

zelmo
May 22, 2006, 07:49 PM
Thievery Corporation and the like.

Just make sure you are legit, as many people far wiser than I have already pointed out.

nived
May 23, 2006, 12:50 AM
Thievery Corporation and the like.

2nd. Awesome stuff.

Johnny, I saw Thievery Corp, Zero 7 and Massive Attack on your list and just had to look up all the others you listed that I haven't heard before... You've just added quite a bit to my music collection... thank you!

true777
May 23, 2006, 07:34 AM
Really simple:

Thievery Corporation, all the way.

It's sleek, sophisticated, modern, and stays in the background.

No guitar music and nothing anyone could hate.

For variety, you can play the compilation CD "Jet Society".
I've heard it in lots of restaurants and bars, and it is smooth, jazzy and very modern and just perfect.

All the artists on the Jet Society compilation would also make good choices for a restaurant.

UKnjb
May 23, 2006, 07:57 AM
Here's my 0.02c worth --- and I am sure I shall get flamed for it. Hey ho.

My suggestion, for personal preference, is NO MUSIC AT ALL - NONE! Peace and harmony is what is needed.

I go to a restaurant for food, not for music. I go for the food and, hopefully, pleasant chat with whoever I am with. And if a restaurant is playing anything, I always ask the manager to turn it off. And when he says that people like it, I ask him to conduct a poll to reinforce his statement. And when it is done, EVERYBODY asks that it is turned off. And when it does get turned off ---- total feng shui and calm. Brilliant.

If anybody wants musak and other aural pollution, sit in a lift, go to a supermarket or a club. But please, please not in a restaurant.

I am a sad ba$ta*d and I am sorry for a negative post. But somebody had to do it. :)

nived
May 23, 2006, 09:30 AM
My suggestion, for personal preference, is NO MUSIC AT ALL - NONE! Peace and harmony is what is needed.

I agree that the serenity factor is nice, but I have to have something to focus on other than the sound of everyone chewing after conversations have gone stale.

Kingsly
May 23, 2006, 03:40 PM
Here's my 0.02c worth --- and I am sure I shall get flamed for it. Hey ho.

My suggestion, for personal preference, is NO MUSIC AT ALL - NONE! Peace and harmony is what is needed.

I go to a restaurant for food, not for music. I go for the food and, hopefully, pleasant chat with whoever I am with. And if a restaurant is playing anything, I always ask the manager to turn it off. And when he says that people like it, I ask him to conduct a poll to reinforce his statement. And when it is done, EVERYBODY asks that it is turned off. And when it does get turned off ---- total feng shui and calm. Brilliant.

If anybody wants musak and other aural pollution, sit in a lift, go to a supermarket or a club. But please, please not in a restaurant.

I am a sad ba$ta*d and I am sorry for a negative post. But somebody had to do it. :)
Oh god.

No music? Where would the mood be?
It doesn't have to be so loud that thats all you hear.