http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20060524/tc_macworld/vista20060524_0
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Ballmer says Vista likely to be later....
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stubeeef said:
Ah, maybe they want to wait to see what Steve brings out in January before they finalise things...
"Few" must mean something different there than here.ballmer said:
...,March, October, early 2008...ballmer said:
Uh huh. Yeah. That's why.ballmer said:
what does that mean for the "non consumer" versions of Vista? Why should they be not delayed?
that's bad news for developers who wanted to sell vista software and upgrades. i wonder how long they can wait?
at least here is a good chance for Linux and Apple to gain market share.
that's bad news for developers who wanted to sell vista software and upgrades. i wonder how long they can wait?
at least here is a good chance for Linux and Apple to gain market share.
iGary said:Yet people think its the only choice.
yeah, it is for people that want to 'do' word and use the internet.
Macs don't work on the internet because "it can't read it"
No, Beta 2 is out and receiving rave reviews (not!) from of all places MSNBC. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12932382/stubeeef said:
Usually for MS, Beta 2 is the last one before RC1...
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News about Vista launch delays come round more often than lunar cycles ... but it doesn't make them less comical !
stubeeef said:
How many consumers actually buy an Operating System? From my experience, it's a fairly small number, most people just buy a computer.
ManchesterTrix said:
It's sad but true. The vast majority of people who are going to buy a PC are going to do so regardless of the OS that comes installed. There will be some dropoff in sales just before the transition, but most people won't care. And most computer makers will give some sort of free upgrade anyway.
What's funny about it is that MS just can't seem to get the product out the door. And what it seems to show is that hte company may collapse of its own weight. By collapse I don't mean go away, but it will become less relevant to people as they seek alternatives (Max, linux, etc.) where they can get better control over the software/OS.
I'm starting to wonder if Vista exist, maybe it's like Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny! It's nothing more than a children's tail! hehe
Savage Henry said:News about Vista launch delays come round more often than lunar cycles ... but it doesn't make them less comical !
And just as often as "PowerBook G5 next Tuesday" remarks in threads.
So far, many of the features they've highlighted (check out the cnet video) don't seem that groundbreaking. Woo, transparent windows, I've had that for years with a small 3rd party program on windows...
You are so right there ... I absolutely love those ones... !!!!!Sharewaredemon said:And just as often as "PowerBook G5 next Tuesday" remarks in threads.
I believe that Microsoft is no longer a financial partner in MSNBC, so any perceived journalistic bias toward Microsoft is just that: Perceived. Besides, Krakow is pretty good at being even-handed about his reviews, no matter whose product he's reviewing.balamw said:
And there will be many, many interim builds between Beta 2 and RC1. (There will not be a Beta 3. They don't do that.) When the builds start becoming RCs, RTM (Release to Manufacturing) will follow within a matter of a couple of weeks at most.
I'm not anti-Microsoft, but seriously, what have they been doing since XP came out? Clearly they have been doing nothing but patching XP.
To think Vista was originally due to ship late 2002/2003, and its now going to be Q1 2007.
I can only think the offices in Redmond are full of smoke as all their programmers have been smoking crack the entire time since XP was released....
It's just as well it's a company as rich as Microsoft as no other company would get away with a new product so badly badly behind.
To think Vista was originally due to ship late 2002/2003, and its now going to be Q1 2007.
I can only think the offices in Redmond are full of smoke as all their programmers have been smoking crack the entire time since XP was released....
It's just as well it's a company as rich as Microsoft as no other company would get away with a new product so badly badly behind.
According to Wikipedia, MS still owns 18% of MSNBC on TV and still owns 50% of msnbc.com. Actually the article was pretty negative, even though it did clarify that it was still a beta.clayj said:
FWIW I beta tested ME, so I know how fast they usually go from Beta 2 to RC1 to RTM.
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Balamw, what I meant by "even-handed" is that Krakow's not afraid to speak the truth about a product's shortcomings, even if he happens to like the company that made the product.
If Vista was perfect, BTW, it wouldn't be in Beta. So it's kinda disingenuous to say "this software ain't ready for prime time" (or words to that effect) when the maker is pretty much saying "we're still working on ironing out the kinks".
If Vista was perfect, BTW, it wouldn't be in Beta. So it's kinda disingenuous to say "this software ain't ready for prime time" (or words to that effect) when the maker is pretty much saying "we're still working on ironing out the kinks".
Sorry, I was agreeing with "even handed" and responding to the perceived bias towards MS as there was none in the article.
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Note that I first experienced ME from Beta 1 and XP from Beta 2. In the first case I was a real beta tester, in the second I got a public release from MSDN without being a beta tester. Neither of those experiences, both fraught with plenty of not ready for prime time issues you'd expect from a beta, would have prompted me to refer to them as "the worst OS experience ever" or as "a train wreck" as Paul Thurrott (who does usually have a pro-MS bias) called the WinHEC preview of Vista. I know that Thurrott has since softened his stance, but it is still somewhat shocking.clayj said:
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